My brother...your blog has been a life changer for normal everyday guys on these car. They were a great idea but absolutely no support from infrastructure and car company. TY
@@KaleyDuke Some do consider both FCEVs and BEVs. I know of several FCEV owners who have gotten BEVs due to the issues with the infrastructure. I have decided to stay with FCEVs, purchasing after two three-year leases.
I had a 2014 BMW i3 on lease and I was briefly tempted to try hydrogen when the lease expired a few years back but opted to stick to an EV. When driving down Norris Canyon Rd, I notice the station in San Ramon seems to be regularly out of service or at least has a chain blocking the entrance. Is that a regular thing or is it improving availability-wise?
@@mpwaterhouse Its only getting worse. Isnt there a class action in california against toyota for not sticking to the "hydrogen highway" or whatever its called?
@@xbeetlejuiice4981 Gov Newsome recently pitched a $12.6 billion agreement to build a clean, renewable Hydrogen Hub in California, including the up to $1.2 billion in federal funding that was announced last year when California was selected as a national hub...Hmm not holding my breath, if this goes the same way as the proposed $33 billion CA high speed rail LA--SFO project that is now estimated to exceed $135 billion... I suspect the hydrogen hub will cost North of $50 billion !!
... looked it up - answering my own question here. Most current Hydrogen produced as a refinery by-product with an extraction base cost of ~ $8 Kg. Add the elements of compression, refrigeration, storage, distribution plus some hefty transportation insurance and CA required legal overheads then if there's still a thin margin for some profit then $30 is not unexpected :(
The Honda CR-V e:FCEV would be the next most interesting car. Charge the Hybrid battery at home at night for your first 40 miles of range. Hydrogen for long range. I had read somewhere that Honda was only trying to sell 500 or so of these in 2025. It would be even more exclusive than driving a Mirai ! Actually these seem to be available now at LA and SF Bay Area Honda dealers with lease deals on dealer web sites.
@@kevinnguyen962 Im considering the eFCEV CRV after my fuel card runs out for my Mirai. how much do you pay a month? Do you like it better than the mirai if youve ever owned it?
CR-V e:FCEV would be interesting, if you can plug in at home. 30ish mi of range to use day to day so you don't have to worry about the infrastructure so much, and Hydrogen for taking longer trips in CA and still exploring how the infrastructure changes, if you wanted to keep the channel Hydrogen focused. As a bonus, they're not making many, so it would be a pretty exclusive vehicle, and they get the sick clear rear tail lights. If you can charge at home and aren't set on the channel being Hydrogen focused, maybe a lease on an EV of your choosing (that isn't a Toyota or Subaru)? You've explored the Hydrogen infrastructure and how it's been up to this point and the ownership experience.... You could explore some of the EV infrastructure, take some trips out of CA, etc. There's lots of good lease deals going on at any point in time
I thought of getting a Mirai because of the fuel rebate and the tax credit. But I ended up settling on a hybrid Corolla instead. I live in San Francisco, and there's only one hydrogen station easily accessible around here from what I could find online. There are a total of three hydrogen stations in the San Francisco Bay Area, but I need to pay a bridge toll in order to access the other two stations.
Basically, refueling stations are not widespread yet, but they are not as inconvenient as electric cars. Even if electric charging stations are as numerous as gas stations, hydrogen refueling time is still a great future.🎉
Toyota sold 30 Mirai vehicles in the US last month. They have only sold 346 total in all of 2024. Those are abysmal numbers. About 1/10 of the numbers in the years with their best sales.
Thank you for all of the videos the last few years. We appreciate all of the insight into the day to day experience with Hydrogen. Hyundai and Kia will get Tesla NACS Supercharging support in early 2025. That is an absolute game changer for non Tesla brands. Tesla charging is so much more reliable and available than the CCS1 charging you tested before. Leases are great with these EVs as well. Depreciation is pretty bad with them too so leasing is probably the way to go.
2:43 I have been working on a way to fix that, but the issue is that even if my solution works (very much in question) the distance between me and you is quite large.
6:11 thanks to covid car prices, and values starting to head back towards reality, that is not an uncommon thing today. Many people who bought at the peak are getting hosed. Some top sore spots are Ford Broncos, anything Tesla, and Toyota corollas. So while it is the worst I've seen, by miles, you aren't the only one taking a bath.
You are right about the 4k tradein value on 2022 xle. I checked my tradein with Tesla they offered me 4k. Regarding the creeks that you forgot to talk about, is this the rear suspension noise? Toyota fixed my car. There was TSB related to it they had to perform the repairs twice, though, to fix it
Your channel would explode if you could convert the Mirai to an EV. Given that you only get a few 1000 bucks for it it makes sense to yank out all hydrogen related hardware and fit batteries as they do in an old porsche. Also I would like to know how much you could sell the parts for or the rare metals in them.
My fuel card on my Hyundai Nexo just maxed out so im looking for a used Hyundai Kona as a replacement. $4,000 tax credit if the price is under $25,000, which the dealer will take for a down payment. And, I qualify for a $4,000 rebate from SCE. The price of used FCEV's will rise in proportion to the reduction in the price of fuel.
The thumbnail and title says it all. As much as you've perservered for hydrogen to improve and all the struggles you've faced with your Mirai in between, good and bad, I can tell you are looking forward to getting out of the constant struggle this car can get you into. Whatever vehicle you choose after this, I wish you the best. No one should have to pay so much for hydrogen, yet alone go on an adventure to find some! Hydrogen may be viable someday but that could be years from now. Its clear no one is trying to get hydrogen to take off so why should we stick around to wait for it to get better? I am enjoying my '24 Toyota Venza XLE. Great MPG, great build quality and no need to struggle finding fuel.
If you are considering the Honda CR-V FCEV, here are some info and some of my experience with the Clarity FCEV... There are three lease options with new CR-V: * 2 year, 60,000 mile allowable, $25,000 fuel card, $489/month * 3 year, 36,000 mile allowable, $15,000 fuel card, $459/month * 6 year, 72,000 mile allowable, $30,000 fuel card, $389/month With the Clarity, people were able to extend the lease and, if they had money left over on their fuel card, they were able to extend its use. Not sure if this would occur given there are now three lease options. Also with the Clarity, maintenance costs were not included, so that may be extra expense to consider. EPA range is only 270 miles with 4.3 kg hydrogen tank, but with an EV range of 29 miles. Norm Reeves Honda in Irvine has the car right now. Car Pros Honda in El Monte is suppose to have them in the future.
The pressures involved, 10,000 psi / 700 bar, would make it a very expensive (and bulky) machine to have at home, look up Mike Strizki's Hydrogen House Project for someone with enough capital and land to use lower pressure hydrogen and a huge solar array to do seasonal off-grid storage, a capable and passionate hydrogen engineer, he is able to fuel a hydrogen car at home, it's an interesting window into what that might look like if ever productized. There have been conversations on reddit about converting the Mirai from a hydrogen EV to a battery EV, as it's an electric car already, in theory you could scoop out all the hydrogen parts and replace them with a DC fast chargeable battery, I don't know if the value of the fuel cell (contains platinum) would pay for the conversion. But, practically, take whatever you can get and buy another car is the simplest option, the Lexus 450e is probably a comparable ride quality to the Lexus inspired Mirai Gen 2, although it's not that great an EV regarding range, efficiency and charging speeds, but some folks want to stick with Toyota and these are their EV offerings at this time (bZ4x and Solterra too)
having it at home ia wayyyy too deadly for you and the neighbourhood, besides your home voltage electrical supply is not enough to power the high pressure cryo compressor to pump it up to 10k psi
Just checked a Hydrogen Station map and this station is already out of service. There was one near me on Hollywood blvd and that too is closed. Yikes, it might be over for real :/
Certainly the Hydrogen network as it currently stands. The ARCHES project intends to produce Hydrogen in distributed hubs at a fraction of the current cost. The fact that it is a California government run initiative fills me with expectations of the Texas phrase "All Hat - No Cattle" so it might eventually make it at 10X the cost so the $1 Kg H2 goal will be more like $20 which is not a lot different than now!
The thing about any energy efficient vehicle is that they cost cost in its amenities, including space. The only way these cars are worth it is if you lease them at a good price and if you can do tax write offs if you own a business and whatnot.
My logic in buying a used certified 2021 Mirai for $16,500 with a $15,000 fuel card is, if Toyota can't fix the hydrogen issue, then I'll trade in to Toyota for a newer EV or hybrid. I may be riding on a class action lawsuit as well.
As per most CA "green" initiatives, the ARCHES project isn't set to manifest mainstream deliverables for another decade!! That gives plenty of time for costs to escalate, funds to be absconded by the inevitable failing green tech promise companies (shades of Solyndra) .. folks will forget all the promises and funding guidelines made in 2024 and will be asked to fork out more taxpayer $$s to prop the initiative up!
At $0.60 per mile in a hydrogen car (California), that fuel card is only really worth about $3,500 in a gasoline car, or $1,800 in electricity for an EV.
The natural progression for your channel would be leasing the Honda plug-in hydrogen CRV. You’d get a new fuel card. That said, it would only make sense if you can plug in at home every night, and for the sake of the battery, get in the habit of leaving it plugged in at home. Depending on your average driving habits, a nightly charge on a 120V outlet would fully charge it, satisfy most of your needs, and then the H2 tank would be there for occasional freeway trips. I think you probably have an idea of how many miles you drive on a typical day and where the Honda’s stated 29 EV miles fits in with you.
If you have a driveway or a garage just buy a Tesla used 5 years old ok. If nowhere to recharge then buy a Prius just be prepared for the service routines.
Yeah don't get a Tesla, something like an Ioniq 5 or 6 could be interesting. Depends on your price range too, the new Porsche Macan EV would be interesting but also pricey!
If you wanted to stick with hydrogen, the plug in CRV from Honda might be interesting, would love to see you at least test drive one on camera, it gives you a enough EV only range that hunting for hydrogen would not be quite so desperate and the plug in running costs would be one tenth those of hydrogen, you would need a socket to plug it into, a regular 110V on a driveway is probably enough for your daily miles, I don't know if the CRV will come with a fuelcard too, but with a plug in, it should last a lot longer time wise. I want to know if the hydrogen is actually green, if you dig into BC's HTEC website they admit it's fossil fuel hydrogen once they run out of green (electrolyzer) hydrogen, but with no numbers given as to when that happens, I don't see any journalism at all around holding hydrogen producers or retailers accountable for their green creds, and I think a persistent TH-camr is more likely to get closer to the truth than a lazy environmental "journalist". Depreciation happens for new cars, and especially for fast moving tech, my brand new EV from 5 years ago is also worth a lot less than when I bought it, not as bad as the Mirai.
Sad for Mirai owners in general. It only gets worse from here. If I were to recommend an EV, or any type of vehicle really, it would be Lucid. Love mine, but you're a bit late to get in the space making content about it. There are too many car channels on TH-cam anyway.
Toyota is at fault for this. They wanted to push a whole new fuel type but were so lazy they didn’t bother to invest in infrastructure. Tesla knew electric cars were iffy when they started so they spent lots of time and money to create a super charger network to support them. But Toyota just made the car and decided that was it. The biggest con in the fuel network sucks because there aren’t enough and they aren’t reliable. The car itself is great
Toyota is not at fault. You don't think they are investing in the infrastructure? They are indirectly paying $15,000 per vehicle to the station developers. Hydrogen refueling requires cooperation of hydrogen producers and hydrogen dispensers. Unlike Tesla who wants to control the market, Toyota and other companies decided to work as a team. “If You Want to Run Fast, Run Alone. If You Want to Run Far, Run Together.”
@@bruhabox if they wanted to make this work, they would roll out Toyota branded hydrogen stations that they solely run to ensure reliability and quality. The 3rd party hydrogen stations are terribly unreliable.
@@jetx2599 Just as Toyota USA use 3rd parties (dealers) to sell their cars they are not about to deal with day-to-day operation of hydrogen stations and they are not going to build hydrogen production plants. Besides, the lack of reliability is because the station equipment manufacturing is new and those manufacturers are learning on the fly. The first three years the stations operated decently because there were very few cars using the stations. Once the number of cars increased, they started to fail because they could not handle the back-to-back fueling. True Zero has been successful in improving the equipment by improving and retrofitting the equipment working with other manufacturers. This is something they never intended. They, and other station developers, thought they would install the equipment and it would work just fine. This did not happen. Air Products doesn't want to put a lot of money into their stations because they are getting out of the light-duty business. Iwatani has been stuck with bad equipment (Nel/Cavendish Hydrogen), so much so that they are suing the company.
If you must stick with Toyota, the Solterra is seen as a better bZ4x, but honestly, the Kia and Hyundai EV's are much better buys if Tesla or the US EV's don't float your boat. Once the China/US/EU tariffs go away, all markets will have access to the Chinese EV's that AUS/NZ have, and some of them are quite interesting too, such as the rotating 4 wheel drive of BYD's vehicles.
My brother...your blog has been a life changer for normal everyday guys on these car. They were a great idea but absolutely no support from infrastructure and car company. TY
90% value lost within the typical lease timeframe is brutal.
There are so many lawsuits building for Toyota.
At this point they need to buy the cars back or refill the fuel cards yearly.
Why don't you get an EV and contrast and compare life with one vs hydrogen?
Upvoted.
i assume ppl buy hydrogen cars because theyre unique and not actually considering them against evs.
@@KaleyDuke Some do consider both FCEVs and BEVs. I know of several FCEV owners who have gotten BEVs due to the issues with the infrastructure. I have decided to stay with FCEVs, purchasing after two three-year leases.
Thanks for the update. Good luck with the transition to the next vehicle.
I'm just trying to drive from San Ramon, CA to Los Angles, CA. The issue or hesitation is the refill in Bakersfield. 😅
I had a 2014 BMW i3 on lease and I was briefly tempted to try hydrogen when the lease expired a few years back but opted to stick to an EV. When driving down Norris Canyon Rd, I notice the station in San Ramon seems to be regularly out of service or at least has a chain blocking the entrance. Is that a regular thing or is it improving availability-wise?
@@mpwaterhouse Its only getting worse. Isnt there a class action in california against toyota for not sticking to the "hydrogen highway" or whatever its called?
@@xbeetlejuiice4981 Gov Newsome recently pitched a $12.6 billion agreement to build a clean, renewable Hydrogen Hub in California, including the up to $1.2 billion in federal funding that was announced last year when California was selected as a national hub...Hmm not holding my breath, if this goes the same way as the proposed $33 billion CA high speed rail LA--SFO project that is now estimated to exceed $135 billion... I suspect the hydrogen hub will cost North of $50 billion !!
@@xbeetlejuiice4981 Looks like the ARCHES goal is to get the cost of Hydrogen down towards $1 a Kg ! So why does it currently cost nearly $30?
... looked it up - answering my own question here. Most current Hydrogen produced as a refinery by-product with an extraction base cost of ~ $8 Kg. Add the elements of compression, refrigeration, storage, distribution plus some hefty transportation insurance and CA required legal overheads then if there's still a thin margin for some profit then $30 is not unexpected :(
The Honda CR-V e:FCEV would be the next most interesting car. Charge the Hybrid battery at home at night for your first 40 miles of range. Hydrogen for long range. I had read somewhere that Honda was only trying to sell 500 or so of these in 2025. It would be even more exclusive than driving a Mirai !
Actually these seem to be available now at LA and SF Bay Area Honda dealers with lease deals on dealer web sites.
I am leasing the CRV eFCEV and it's been fine. The electrical range is really 25 miles. The 2 year lease (best option) gets $25k in fuel credit.
@@kevinnguyen962 Im considering the eFCEV CRV after my fuel card runs out for my Mirai. how much do you pay a month? Do you like it better than the mirai if youve ever owned it?
Have you thought about the Hyundai Ioniq 5 N for your next vehicle?
CR-V e:FCEV would be interesting, if you can plug in at home. 30ish mi of range to use day to day so you don't have to worry about the infrastructure so much, and Hydrogen for taking longer trips in CA and still exploring how the infrastructure changes, if you wanted to keep the channel Hydrogen focused. As a bonus, they're not making many, so it would be a pretty exclusive vehicle, and they get the sick clear rear tail lights.
If you can charge at home and aren't set on the channel being Hydrogen focused, maybe a lease on an EV of your choosing (that isn't a Toyota or Subaru)? You've explored the Hydrogen infrastructure and how it's been up to this point and the ownership experience.... You could explore some of the EV infrastructure, take some trips out of CA, etc. There's lots of good lease deals going on at any point in time
I'm thinking of leasing the CRV for 2 years they give you 25k.
@@antobecerra12725k dollars or 25,000 miles?
I thought of getting a Mirai because of the fuel rebate and the tax credit. But I ended up settling on a hybrid Corolla instead. I live in San Francisco, and there's only one hydrogen station easily accessible around here from what I could find online. There are a total of three hydrogen stations in the San Francisco Bay Area, but I need to pay a bridge toll in order to access the other two stations.
Seeing content on the Honda FCEV CRV would be incredible.
Basically, refueling stations are not widespread yet, but they are not as inconvenient as electric cars. Even if electric charging stations are as numerous as gas stations, hydrogen refueling time is still a great future.🎉
Rivian! 😮
Toyota sold 30 Mirai vehicles in the US last month. They have only sold 346 total in all of 2024. Those are abysmal numbers. About 1/10 of the numbers in the years with their best sales.
What is your source of information?
@@JefferyDunham-fi1wy Toyota’s media site that posts quarterly numbers. It posts the sales for each vehicle every quarter.
@@LearningFast Please give us that site address.
@@JefferyDunham-fi1wy Toyota press room.
You missed the sticker under screen that says "if stick on receipt press enter on keypad"
Thank you for all of the videos the last few years. We appreciate all of the insight into the day to day experience with Hydrogen. Hyundai and Kia will get Tesla NACS Supercharging support in early 2025. That is an absolute game changer for non Tesla brands. Tesla charging is so much more reliable and available than the CCS1 charging you tested before. Leases are great with these EVs as well. Depreciation is pretty bad with them too so leasing is probably the way to go.
2:43 I have been working on a way to fix that, but the issue is that even if my solution works (very much in question) the distance between me and you is quite large.
6:11 thanks to covid car prices, and values starting to head back towards reality, that is not an uncommon thing today.
Many people who bought at the peak are getting hosed. Some top sore spots are Ford Broncos, anything Tesla, and Toyota corollas.
So while it is the worst I've seen, by miles, you aren't the only one taking a bath.
You are right about the 4k tradein value on 2022 xle. I checked my tradein with Tesla they offered me 4k. Regarding the creeks that you forgot to talk about, is this the rear suspension noise? Toyota fixed my car. There was TSB related to it they had to perform the repairs twice, though, to fix it
I’d sell it back to Toyota and buy it back with the new fuel card as a CPO
The refill cost is nothing compared to that depreciation!!
Your channel would explode if you could convert the Mirai to an EV. Given that you only get a few 1000 bucks for it it makes sense to yank out all hydrogen related hardware and fit batteries as they do in an old porsche. Also I would like to know how much you could sell the parts for or the rare metals in them.
I would watch this. Get Rich Rebuilds involved.
My fuel card on my Hyundai Nexo just maxed out so im looking for a used Hyundai Kona as a replacement. $4,000 tax credit if the price is under $25,000, which the dealer will take for a down payment. And, I qualify for a $4,000 rebate from SCE. The price of used FCEV's will rise in proportion to the reduction in the price of fuel.
Used car prices have collapsed in a year. $9K to $4K seems about right.
Toyota Bz4x, Ford Maverick hybrid..?
Only an idiot would buy a buzzforks. UNLESS it was virtually free.
The thumbnail and title says it all. As much as you've perservered for hydrogen to improve and all the struggles you've faced with your Mirai in between, good and bad, I can tell you are looking forward to getting out of the constant struggle this car can get you into. Whatever vehicle you choose after this, I wish you the best. No one should have to pay so much for hydrogen, yet alone go on an adventure to find some! Hydrogen may be viable someday but that could be years from now. Its clear no one is trying to get hydrogen to take off so why should we stick around to wait for it to get better? I am enjoying my '24 Toyota Venza XLE. Great MPG, great build quality and no need to struggle finding fuel.
Hydrogen will never be viable for passenger vehicles. There is simply no reason to.
What other hydrogen car would you get that is a good one with perks
Don't know anything about perks but Honda CR-V e:FCEV is an interesting product for me.
If you are considering the Honda CR-V FCEV, here are some info and some of my experience with the Clarity FCEV...
There are three lease options with new CR-V:
* 2 year, 60,000 mile allowable, $25,000 fuel card, $489/month
* 3 year, 36,000 mile allowable, $15,000 fuel card, $459/month
* 6 year, 72,000 mile allowable, $30,000 fuel card, $389/month
With the Clarity, people were able to extend the lease and, if they had money left over on their fuel card, they were able to extend its use. Not sure if this would occur given there are now three lease options. Also with the Clarity, maintenance costs were not included, so that may be extra expense to consider.
EPA range is only 270 miles with 4.3 kg hydrogen tank, but with an EV range of 29 miles.
Norm Reeves Honda in Irvine has the car right now. Car Pros Honda in El Monte is suppose to have them in the future.
So what actually happens when there’s no more hydrogen stations? Can you buy a bulk tank and have it at home?
The pressures involved, 10,000 psi / 700 bar, would make it a very expensive (and bulky) machine to have at home, look up Mike Strizki's Hydrogen House Project for someone with enough capital and land to use lower pressure hydrogen and a huge solar array to do seasonal off-grid storage, a capable and passionate hydrogen engineer, he is able to fuel a hydrogen car at home, it's an interesting window into what that might look like if ever productized.
There have been conversations on reddit about converting the Mirai from a hydrogen EV to a battery EV, as it's an electric car already, in theory you could scoop out all the hydrogen parts and replace them with a DC fast chargeable battery, I don't know if the value of the fuel cell (contains platinum) would pay for the conversion.
But, practically, take whatever you can get and buy another car is the simplest option, the Lexus 450e is probably a comparable ride quality to the Lexus inspired Mirai Gen 2, although it's not that great an EV regarding range, efficiency and charging speeds, but some folks want to stick with Toyota and these are their EV offerings at this time (bZ4x and Solterra too)
having it at home ia wayyyy too deadly for you and the neighbourhood, besides your home voltage electrical supply is not enough to power the high pressure cryo compressor to pump it up to 10k psi
Is Toyota subsidizing the trade-in value?
Just checked a Hydrogen Station map and this station is already out of service. There was one near me on Hollywood blvd and that too is closed. Yikes, it might be over for real :/
“It’s over it’s over , no good times no bad times, just The NY Times “
Toyota phucked a lot of people on this
Certainly the Hydrogen network as it currently stands. The ARCHES project intends to produce Hydrogen in distributed hubs at a fraction of the current cost. The fact that it is a California government run initiative fills me with expectations of the Texas phrase "All Hat - No Cattle" so it might eventually make it at 10X the cost so the $1 Kg H2 goal will be more like $20 which is not a lot different than now!
The thing about any energy efficient vehicle is that they cost cost in its amenities, including space. The only way these cars are worth it is if you lease them at a good price and if you can do tax write offs if you own a business and whatnot.
Build a hydrogen farm 😅
Just get a hybrid and play it safe
My logic in buying a used certified 2021 Mirai for $16,500 with a $15,000 fuel card is, if Toyota can't fix the hydrogen issue, then I'll trade in to Toyota for a newer EV or hybrid. I may be riding on a class action lawsuit as well.
As per most CA "green" initiatives, the ARCHES project isn't set to manifest mainstream deliverables for another decade!! That gives plenty of time for costs to escalate, funds to be absconded by the inevitable failing green tech promise companies (shades of Solyndra) .. folks will forget all the promises and funding guidelines made in 2024 and will be asked to fork out more taxpayer $$s to prop the initiative up!
At $0.60 per mile in a hydrogen car (California), that fuel card is only really worth about $3,500 in a gasoline car, or $1,800 in electricity for an EV.
Hydrogen is for public transit, I doubt the public would adopt it with the lack of infrastructure and severe range anxiety.
Also busses will be battery electric.
@@Simon-dm8zv oh do I know it! I work on them!
@@3xfaster Then why do you think hydrogen will be used?
zero condolences. You know what you get. Being different is not always cool or good.
Ill buy it off you for $4k
The natural progression for your channel would be leasing the Honda plug-in hydrogen CRV. You’d get a new fuel card. That said, it would only make sense if you can plug in at home every night, and for the sake of the battery, get in the habit of leaving it plugged in at home. Depending on your average driving habits, a nightly charge on a 120V outlet would fully charge it, satisfy most of your needs, and then the H2 tank would be there for occasional freeway trips. I think you probably have an idea of how many miles you drive on a typical day and where the Honda’s stated 29 EV miles fits in with you.
There is absolutely no reason to use hydrogen for freeway trips in 2024. EVs are good enough and have been for years.
If you have a driveway or a garage just buy a Tesla used 5 years old ok. If nowhere to recharge then buy a Prius just be prepared for the service routines.
F MIRAI 🤬
Yeah don't get a Tesla, something like an Ioniq 5 or 6 could be interesting. Depends on your price range too, the new Porsche Macan EV would be interesting but also pricey!
electric is the way forward because there will be a time when you will be able to charge from the sun.
Get a lucid air (base model)
You think bros rich
@@mcsike7264Base Lucid Air is actually cheaper than a new Mirai I think. Not sure about lease deals though
@@Black-Villain its not a miri is like 12k now BC Toyota discounts them so much BC no one is buying into there scam I mean hydrogen wet dream anymore
If you wanted to stick with hydrogen, the plug in CRV from Honda might be interesting, would love to see you at least test drive one on camera, it gives you a enough EV only range that hunting for hydrogen would not be quite so desperate and the plug in running costs would be one tenth those of hydrogen, you would need a socket to plug it into, a regular 110V on a driveway is probably enough for your daily miles, I don't know if the CRV will come with a fuelcard too, but with a plug in, it should last a lot longer time wise.
I want to know if the hydrogen is actually green, if you dig into BC's HTEC website they admit it's fossil fuel hydrogen once they run out of green (electrolyzer) hydrogen, but with no numbers given as to when that happens, I don't see any journalism at all around holding hydrogen producers or retailers accountable for their green creds, and I think a persistent TH-camr is more likely to get closer to the truth than a lazy environmental "journalist".
Depreciation happens for new cars, and especially for fast moving tech, my brand new EV from 5 years ago is also worth a lot less than when I bought it, not as bad as the Mirai.
Sell it NOW don’t wait it will be worse in 5 months
The long national nightmare is over.
Get the new 2025 toyota camry hybrid.
EV is the way to go obviously, maybe get an unusual one to review, but not some horrible hybrid.. Hydrogen is really a dead end.
Sad for Mirai owners in general. It only gets worse from here. If I were to recommend an EV, or any type of vehicle really, it would be Lucid. Love mine, but you're a bit late to get in the space making content about it. There are too many car channels on TH-cam anyway.
Toyota is at fault for this. They wanted to push a whole new fuel type but were so lazy they didn’t bother to invest in infrastructure. Tesla knew electric cars were iffy when they started so they spent lots of time and money to create a super charger network to support them. But Toyota just made the car and decided that was it. The biggest con in the fuel network sucks because there aren’t enough and they aren’t reliable. The car itself is great
Toyota is not at fault. You don't think they are investing in the infrastructure? They are indirectly paying $15,000 per vehicle to the station developers.
Hydrogen refueling requires cooperation of hydrogen producers and hydrogen dispensers. Unlike Tesla who wants to control the market, Toyota and other companies decided to work as a team. “If You Want to Run Fast, Run Alone. If You Want to Run Far, Run Together.”
@@bruhabox if they wanted to make this work, they would roll out Toyota branded hydrogen stations that they solely run to ensure reliability and quality.
The 3rd party hydrogen stations are terribly unreliable.
@@jetx2599 Just as Toyota USA use 3rd parties (dealers) to sell their cars they are not about to deal with day-to-day operation of hydrogen stations and they are not going to build hydrogen production plants.
Besides, the lack of reliability is because the station equipment manufacturing is new and those manufacturers are learning on the fly. The first three years the stations operated decently because there were very few cars using the stations. Once the number of cars increased, they started to fail because they could not handle the back-to-back fueling.
True Zero has been successful in improving the equipment by improving and retrofitting the equipment working with other manufacturers. This is something they never intended. They, and other station developers, thought they would install the equipment and it would work just fine. This did not happen.
Air Products doesn't want to put a lot of money into their stations because they are getting out of the light-duty business. Iwatani has been stuck with bad equipment (Nel/Cavendish Hydrogen), so much so that they are suing the company.
Get a bz4x Toy should give you a great deal.
😂Dont, jumping from one fire pit to the other. Bz4x is junk. Might just get a model 3.
If you must stick with Toyota, the Solterra is seen as a better bZ4x, but honestly, the Kia and Hyundai EV's are much better buys if Tesla or the US EV's don't float your boat. Once the China/US/EU tariffs go away, all markets will have access to the Chinese EV's that AUS/NZ have, and some of them are quite interesting too, such as the rotating 4 wheel drive of BYD's vehicles.