I don't know how things were in the mid-late 80's, but if it was the same, can anyone fault Macho Man for how "over protective" he was of Elizabeth backstage? These stories put things into perspective...
I remember back in 2002 in high school, when Hall and Mr.Perfect got fired one of my classmates who knew about dirt sheets told us about the Plane Ride From Hell and how he read that Flair was running around naked in a robe but at the time it was all a rumor, cause at the time to us if it was true we believed he would've been fired also.
Before this episode, the Plane Ride from Hell was talked about in a rather comedic manner from shoot interviews. This episode provided a much more clear view about how fucked up it really was. And that it is anything BUT comedy. Van Dam had one of the best lines of this episode. "Don't meet your heroes."
No shit they talked about it in a comedic manner in interviews. This is the same industry where Arn Anderson and Sid Vicious buried the hatchet after stabbing eachother. We should stop acting like these people have the same standards for what is considered too far.
There is something that is overlooked in this that I think a lot of people gloss over. Not only the RVD quote about how guys commonly drugged marks and women, but the fact there were so many syringes and shit on the plane that if this was a normal airline like American Airline or Delta the FBI would’ve been waiting right at the terminal for everybody is very telling about how different wrestling culture has become in the last 20 years
Think about it, if the Speaking Out movement never started last year, you'd now have people like David Starr and Joey Ryan tweeting how appalled they are by Flair and Dreamer.
@@theenigmaalie2792 Two huge "social justice" guys, who never shut up about how progressive they were, got outed by double digits women for being abusers.
In the past wrestlers involved talked about this plane ride like it was a Lads night out or a Stag Party but the more you watch it the more it gets disturbing
We all knew for years about this Flair type stories, but when you put a face and a name to just one person that was the victim of that well that just make it (for lack of a better word) real.
Well I didn't know the he forced her to touch him. Totally different from what I heard. I thought he was just flashing and the fight attendant happened to be near him at the time and that was that. No idea that he literally cornered her, showed off his cock, and then tried to make her touch him. Like what the fuck
@@ekko6757,I don't care if the flight attendant was cooking meth in the bathroom if the story is true it's just gross and so far people really seem willing to give Flair a pass and gloss over what Scott Hall did.
@@dawnclark4635 oh just shut up. people like you are the problem with the "believe all women" and how the "me too" movement became a joke. she took the money and ran instead of taking it to court. that shows you her caracter.
I lost a lot of respect for Flair when he announced he was suing the WWE over the use of The Man moniker for Becky Lynch but this pretty much destroyed the rest of it. First,you under no circumstance should be walking around naked and swinging your dick. Second,you don't make unwanted advances towards a woman doing her job. Forget Dreamer's reputation. Hearing that Ric Flair has wasted most of his money,wanted to sue the company that paid him enough to get the IRS off his ass,and now stripping down to his robe and swinging his dick which resulted in him sexually harassing a flight attendant is worse then Dreamer defending him. It's just disgusting.
@@JayCity10 ponytails plural not singular , lol dreamer was going on about making people trigger by wearing a double ponytail.. freaking goof dreamer..
Not to defend WWE but with the comments Dreamer made-does make you understand why WWE are the way that they are when it comes to their talents sling outside gigs w/o their permission.
@@thekingofcashvlogs865,so as a woman who's had to deal with the issues that steam from being assaulted and repeatedly sexually harassed I shouldn't be offended or I'm a beta? What's your stance on women being offended by what Ric Flair and Scott Hall,I don't want anyone to forget that Hall was attempting forced oral compulation on that flight attendant,acting like total f'n creeps?
@@dawnclark4635 he has to be a troll, because this is the caricature of the whole Alpha, beta douche mindset. You read responses like this and these are the same people who whine about meetoo movement.
The part that bothered me the most is when Flair was harrassing the attended, It's mentioned that Goldust was the only person that flair to leave her alone. Like why the fuck didn't more people, hell, ANYONE else stop him? That pisses me off smh
Most of them were probably too busy being drunked and drugged and considering the "culture" in that company in those days when It comes to women and their role, those who might have been capable to do something about it probably found it funny. Sad but likely true.
@@mayomonkey-gen1 go up to him and tell him to sit his ass down and leave her alone. I don’t give a fuck if it would be career suicide so long as I helped the flight attendant
@@Utterlyrandomguy we knowvthis episode impacted last nights "grand slame" show. You can't tell me with sting/darby facing FTR (with Tully) that Flair wasnt going to get into the mix somehow.
The fact that they just aired an episode of HEELS, with a Ric Flair type character running around on a plane only wearing a title belt, won't help things.
I'd like to see dsotr do an episode about Ellen Bohm. She was a wrestling fan from St, Louis who was so obsessed with it that she spent herself broke and then started killing her kids for insurance money so she could keep going to matches, she ended up getting life without parole.
@@justafanofnerdculture7602 Deadly Women did a segment on her story a few years ago, of all the women featured on that show she's one of the worst. It's a real shame she didn't get the needle.
Thinking back to Undertaker talking about the "Good ol days" Imagine thinking that is a better way of life instead of playing Mario Kart with Big E or Halo with Adam Cole.
The good ol days when you drugged your friends and swung your dick in front of everyone... Well, at least the new generation are calmer and would rather play video games and keep to themselves rather than harass the flight attendants.
Impact are hypocrites. They literally had Flair on the roster for years while these accusations have been known. But suspended Dreamer for expressing his opinion on something that happened 20 years ago.
Dusty did an interview where he called flair the flim-flam man. that he only loved you when you were of any use to him. even Paul L. said he was the biggest liar he ever met. and Shawn said it as well. Flair did an upload going off on Shawn for what he said. at 72 he still acts like a childish little boy.
Dusty Rhodes talking about Ric Flair & being a liar 🤥 POS 💩 a Mark us the funniest thing I ever heard I'd lik to know where you heard this kid cuz I guarantee you ain't even older than 20+ & thus is all bulk 💩. Cuz everything you just said Dusty Rhodes said us exactly what Dusty Rhodes was LoL 😁 Dusty Rhodes & Ruc Flair we're basically the same person except Dusty Rhodes was way more jealous if Ric Flair like he was of Hulk Hogan & thought he was a huge Name in Wrestling in Hulk Hogan level 🎚️ which he wasn't. He was a big Star in Florida when wrestling was a territory & NWA territories hell he even thought he was the second biggest face in the world behind Muhammad Ali and Elvis That's how delusional this guy was and put in the championship on himself when nobody voted for him because he had the power and he wasn't over and he got thar reality check in the WWF when nobody knew WTF he was LoL yet he thought he was gonna get a Hulk Hogan reaction. He realized that when nobody knew who he was cuz WWF was known global NWA was like your local high school football team.
And he got sacked for it, he's one of those people who doesn't understand the value of keeping your mouth shut if you only have something stupid to say.
i could be wrong, but remember this is still for tv. but i think they edited that for Tommy to be the devil's advocate for the wrestlers or at least to explain the locker room culture then.
@@Nazzlover38 what I couldn't believe is he was defending someone who did some foul stuff and he wasn't on the flight. he defended somebody oh hearsay. and now he says he's sorry because it's 3 days later and people are still up in his backside for what he said, the jerk.
They had the balls to have Cornette preach against Warrior's homophobic comments in the first half of the season, despite Corny making very similar comments before. As much as I like this show, it's still run by Vice, after all.
I think your mixing up Corny/Brock stories. The story Cornette's told where he threatened to shoot Brock is that he'd shoot Brock if Brock insulted his then -girlfriend/now - wife Stacy in OVW.
@@aggrodkreg4321 Same thing I said. I remember earlier this year when people were accusing A&E for being bias for WWE. What's ironic is that Vice is just as, if not more bias than A&E
@@TheJuliet316 Could be, I am middle-aged and more forgetful nowadays . I think it ensued after the match, and Stacey and Brock were arguing backstage. Brock insulted her, and that was when Jim said it.
@@TheJuliet316the story is rather interesting. Basicaly, Cornette was booking for OVW and Brock was teaming with Shelton Benjamin and in a dark match,on Raw,the spot was worked in where Brock would give Sinn,Cornette's wife Stacy,a press slam. Cornette liked the spot so much he called it for them in a match in OVW and Stacy had,had herself pierced. All day Brock told he was going to squeeze it when he got her up there and when he did it she got to the back and started screaming. Say what you want about Cornette and Stacy but this woman is a legit badass. She told Brock f you and then he said it back. I watched it a few times because it fasincates me. When Brock said it back Jim Cornette told him,"You're fixin' to work for Vince McMahon and whether he wants you to be a heel,a babyface or cluck like a chicken you're doing it." (This was prior to the press slam.) When Brock said f you to Stacy,who wasn't married to Cornette but was his gf at the time,he told Brock,"Don't say f you to my girlfriend in front of me because I'm not going to fight you I'll shoot you and if you're going to say you weren't giong to do something you better make sure you don't do it because no one would believe you didn't." Brock denied it constantly and Cornette told him if he ended up working in WWE or in some outlaw lockerroom no one's going to fight you,they'll just shoot you. The conclusion involved Brock calling Danny Davis and saying,"Jim said he was gonna shoot me." and Davis told him,"What the f did you think was gonna happen?"
Wrestling journalists knew these stories. How come they waited until the dark side of the ring to so vehemently disagree with the actions of the wrestlers involved...
And Dave Meltzer is already twisting himself defending Flair (because Ric was one of his earliest sources/friends in the business, that’s why he spent most of the 80’s-90’s bashing Dusty and Dustin Rhodes, Hogan and The Outsiders)
Vince wasnt on the flight but Linda was as she attended a charity event the day before Insurrection in London which was shown on the PPV. Also the Kurt/Vince fight i heard happened on a flight in November 2001. Also they missed out with Michael Hays been so out of it according to Sean Waltman, he nearly pissed on Linda as he thought he was at the bathroom and kept saying "Wait a minute" several times
@@JL_Lux that fight with Kurt Angle happened in November 2001 i think people get confused and forget cause Kurt wasnt on the plane ride from hell as he was on the smackdown roster at the time and was in florida at a house show as the smackdown roster was still in the US
@@Calculon1712 sir. rewatch the episode. You are confused. JR said he was on the plane acting up with everyone else. He said it multiple times. Not sure why you think the pay perview is proof of who was on the flight. They said he was was there and undertaker said in his interview with stone cold he broke it up cuz he thought it was real.
@@JL_Lux Do your research, im assuming youre getting mixed with Curt Hennig who was on the flight as he had the fight with Lesnar. As stated Kurt Angle was in the main event of a tag team in Fort Lauderdale, Florida teaming up with Jericho taking on The Rock and Hogan on a smackdown house show theres even fan cam of the match on this site. Look up house show results for Saturday 4th May 2002 and youll see. Sometimes peoples memories arent that sharp and JR can be hit and miss with what he remembers
Even if she did push it to the furthest extent of the law you'd have to be extremely naive to think that anything would've actually happened. All those wrestlers worship the ground Flair walks on so all of them are going to side with him so it would be her word against 50 wrestlers that have the financial backing of a billionaire. Atleast with the payout she got something out of her tramatic situation cause if she went the other route nothing would have happened.
Sad, but true. The ultimate example was when Owen Hart's wife was trying to sue WWE after he died and her own lawyer was basically like "You're not going to get what you want. Nobody is going to go to prison and nobody is going to go out of business."
Those hardcore matches and chair shots over the years in ECW really cause Tommy Dreamer to lose common sense in today’s world Edit; that Jim Cornette and Brock Lesnar story you mentioned, the most memorable/crazy part of that story was how after that happened Jim threaten to shoot Lesnar, like literally shoot him
Too many kendo stick shots to the head, eh? Which considering what he know now about concussions and head trauma and how people worked back in the day, it probably isn't too far off.
Sooo Flair still knows the whole Story and is ready to tell his side? That's quite interesting because dsotr put a disclaimer up that Flair has no recollection of the events.
Flair has always denied the sexual assault allegations, Scott Hall claims to have no recollection of the events on the plane. I think Flair's reputation is going to be damaged by this myself.
When I watched this episode today, I felt uncomfortable hearing how that flight attendant was treated. Kinda hard to look at guys like Ric Flair in a good way knowing what they did on that flight.
@@ekko6757 and you know this how? I’m sure if she was a convicted felon she would’ve been sitting in a jail cell when she was being interviewed for this episode which she wasn’t.
What makes Michael Hayes so valuable? Genuinely curious. Because anyone else would have been fired years ago. Is he just cozy with the right people or is he some kind of creative MVP?
Kanyon was on Howard Stern right after WWE released him. He was talking about how he was suicidal & talking about how he thought they released him because he was gay and Flair called in to say it was because he wasn’t good enough & had nothing to do with his life choices. The look on Kanyon’s face was pure sadness after he said that. The more F’d up part was is that Kanyon helped train David Flair a bit.
Flair showing his penis to women on the plane was public knowledge since 2002. Darkside proved a lot of fans right now are new. I wonder if you know Austin beat his wife and went to court over it.
@@jeremyfields9009 The Ric Flair incident is news to me, but that's because up until recently, I'd never bothered reading into things that goes on outside the wrestling business
@@jeremyfields9009 I knew about them indecent exposure in hotels and stuff, I just didn’t know the gory details of this man spinning his dick around like a helicopter 🗿. Didn’t need that image in my head.
I knew Solomonster was going to roast Dreamer after what he said. What happened to that flight attendant was very disturbing and I genuinely felt sympathy for her. Joke or not, Ric Flair was a stupid idiot doing that to her. You can tell that she was feeling awkward recalling the story. As far as Dreamer goes, I do understand why he said what he said. He is saying that from a position of, "Well it must not have been that bad since she got paid." Doesn't make it sound good of course, but I guess that was what he was trying to say. Not to mention that he sorta predicted his future by saying that people are easily offended nowadays. And soon Impact suspended him. I just find it very strange that some people want to punished Flair for something that took place nearly 20 years ago. At this point, let the Plane Ride from Hell be a cautionary tale as both JR & RVD said in this episode.
He absolutely knew the zeitgeist. He deliberately said what he said bc he's among many losers on this earth who thinks he's a victim bc he can't say or do things now that he did 25-30 years ago
@@skippythealien9627 Well like I said above, people shouldn't cancel someone because of an offensive comment. If you have been a wrestling fan for at least 10 years, you've most likely heard about the Plane Ride from Hell incident. It has been 20 years ago since this took place. Not to mention that they settled out of court. I think that is what Dreamer meant by his comments.
@@lancethefilmguy9392 that's great...Dreamer's comments were still dumb as fk and typical of people who whine about being "oppressed" these days i too don't think Dreamer should be getting canceled...but i definitely think Solomonster and others like him (including myself) deserve to mock and ridicule him for being so out of touch with the times
The flair stuff reminds me of the R Kelly and bill cosby situations in the sense that these were known events for years and made light of. A story about roofies, my great uncle was roofied at the age of 17 he is now 85. He was never able to leave home my great grandma literally took care of him until she died.
Flairs situation is bad, but r Kelly and Cosby where date raping girls hell r Kelly was abusing kids! Flairs absolute disgrace but come on Cosby and R Kelly are complete different level
@@robbiewalesbraniff6668 did you not read my post? I never said they were on the same level. Also I’d argue that no sexual assault is better or worse than any other so stop being an sexual assault apologist. Flashing people groping people flair is in the same boat as Clinton, RKelly,and Cosby
Wait, I'm confused. Did the roofie have some long term effect on your grandfather or was he or your grandmother just that afraid/traumatized of him ever going out in public and having that happen again? I'd really like to know.
This reminds me of the Cosby shit even if it wasn't as "bad" as what Cosby did. Ppl knew about the Cosby situation for YEARS in the underground comedy scene, but it only really came to light years later when Hannibal Buress exposed Cosby by including a joke about his crimes in his standup.
I knew OF the Plane Ride From Hell, I knew it had that name for a reason, but I was kinda a little...lacking in the details. And by a little, I mean I knew zip. I can't really explain how or why I didn't know, since I've been watching wrestling since back before this incident happened, I just didn't know.
I agree with what The Solomonster said around 20:17-20:25... Ric Flair was 53½ years old at the time this flight took place & he's still resorting to occasionally showing off his "third leg"/"kick-stand"/elephant trunk"/etc. other nick-names that you can think of?... You think he'd be telling himself "Grow up!...", right?...
It's funny that many of the people that I found on social media, the ones who still hold a grudge against Hogan for what he said on that leaked audio a couple of years back, are actually defending Ric, and giving him a pass after what he did 2 decades ago. Both actions from these men are equally terrible. All I'm saying is, keep that same energy going. Hold Ric accountable the same way Hogan was.
Hogan was in private intoxicated and Ric was in public not giving a damn but Flair is given the benefit of doubt? Lol I can’t with online wrestling fans anymore.
That is the same thing I said during the Savage episode. It is weird how people can mock Hogan and yet defend Savage. Either criticize both equally or don't at all
Poor Dustin. Dude was descending deeper and deeper into his personal hell, but still had what it took to do the only fucking good deed to the girl during the entire flight.
@@MazeDaGr8 i do not know what else, he said on busted open or elsewhere. he said Tessa was always nice to him, but understood he will get treated better than her peers.
not defending it, but he did admit that was a dark depression. he thought Paul Heyman had ruined his life and ran off to get a job in wwe. Dreamer put much of his money in the company putting himself in debt.
There's two possibilities here: either Dreamer probably bought into the "war on woke" mentality a lot of people have or he just wasn't objective about it because it's Ric Flair, still seen as a God by many of his peers because of the Legend he is as a performer. Are there people in this age that get offended too easily? Sure. Is this one of those cases? Hell no, the poor woman was cornered by a drunk naked man who forced her to touch his penis. And the best argument was like "well he didn't rape her, he isn't a sexual predator!" like that's the only kind of unacceptable sexual behavior and harassment doesn't come in various forms. I want to hope Dreamer was just blinded by his admiration for Flair, but the way he spoke makes me think that he indeed is one of those people that use the "oh everyone is offended by everything these days" argument to cover up serious stuff too. And that's a sad thing to find out.
As far as I see no one is defending the actions. Most of the "defense" seems to be people mad that Tommy Dreamer is getting cancelled for expressing an unpopular opinion. Tommy didn't expose himself or committ any bad acts. He's never been accused of anything of that nature. Yet he still looks like he's about to lose his job
I feel for Dreamer a bit. My wife and I cringed every time he opened his mouth on that episode, but the fact that he's out of a job because of his distorted recollection of a series of incidents that happened 20 years ago while they were all drunk and/or high is a bit extreme imo. Listen to Dreamer's old takes on chair shots on Austin's podcast. He's a cringe factory who once justified head shots by saying "my grandmother is 92 and losing her memory, we're all going to lose it anyway" As for Ric? If everything that was said is true, then its a long time coming that he has to deal with what's coming. As for Dreamer? This is textbook cancel culture BS. He was dismissed because Twitter got mad and he was trending for it and that was it. Dreamer was just the latest head for the Twitter mob to hang like a trophy on their wall.
He purposely disoriented those events. He praised ric flairs big dick and then said “well she should of pressed charges” 🤨 he spoke himself out of a job. Just stfu and he wouldn’t have to worry about his job using their freedom of association and firing him
I agree I haven't really wanted to see Flair full time in several years I just see a old sad drunk that is probably starting to mentally slip ge can't be in full command of his mind anymore because of the decades of alcohol abuse
Yet Taker has the audacity to get triggered by today's wrestlers for playing video games and subtly insinuating that today's male wrestlers aren't "real men" just because they don't drink, party, do drugs, rape people, and stab each other with syringes and scissors. I will gladly take today's wrestlers over these animals from back in the day. They're smarter, working safer, healthier, and are living longer. So if that makes them "soft" in Taker's eyes, then he can fuck off with his outdated, tone deaf views. I will never understand this near god-like deification of these wrestlers from the past that fans today have for them and how much leeway they give them. But, holy shit, some guys do some "flips and kicks" and these people lose their minds.
That kinda struck me as odd as well. Don't know why he said that at all, seeing as he was practically the ONLY dude in ECW 25 years ago who DIDN'T take advantage of ring rats, which is heinous no matter who is doing it to who. Perhaps Dreamer is frustrated with his marriage and was expressing it? I know a lot of married guys who are very frustrated cuz their wives don't let them have sex (hell, like 2/3 of the dudes in my bowling league are like that), they tend to say stupid shit like what Dreamer said.
@@spsawyer22 free speech only applies to speech against the government. Companies have *always* had the power to act if your public opinion is something they find unpalatable. It's just that until the last 20 years or so, people didn't have their opinions put on blast across the world due to social media, blogs, etc.
@@tuxedotservo Not disagreeing with you. People used to mostly keep their opinions to themselves, and barely anyone knew about your sexuality/religion/politics. Not entirely sure it's better now to be honest.
Regarding whether Vince and Linda were on the plane or not, the episode makes it pretty clear that Vince and Linda were on the flight going over to the UK for the tour and the PPV. They were not on the flight going home - the Plane Ride From Hell.
If you drug anyone against their will that should be a mandatory 5 years in prison. What if they were on some other medication and the drugs were not supposed to be mixed together. You could of killed that person. Also, if Lesnar did that to Cornettes girl, that was screwed up.
You do realize that during the police questioning of Jimmy Snuka Vince showed up with a briefcase,right? Willing to bet that Vince would've paidoff anyone who accused his talent of what basically amounts to rape.
Besides what Tommy Dreamer said, I was shocked by RVD saying he had seen women get drugged and raped by other wrestlers. He just lost all my respect for not stepping in to stop them.
After watching this episode i genuinely understand why Macho Man was as protective of Elizabeth as he was....this whole flight seems like it was an average saturday in the Territories
I can kinda see where Dreamer Was coming from, people are sometimes to sensitive these days. That being sad: we are talking about sexual assault here and stories of wrestlers roofyng girls and Rick putting the flight attendents hand on his junk. That is simply inexcusable .
Nah. Whether people are too sensitive or not this was the absolute wrong time to bring up people being too sensitive. Tommy clearly does not give a fuck about consent. At least not when it involves his heroes or "the boys."
@@dawnclark4635 like I said I can generally see where dreamer was coming from but this wasn't the right topic at all to make that argument. Sexual assault is not a hill dreamer should've wanted to die on. It's horrible hearing stories about your heroes drugging people to have their way with and ribbing each other like shitting in each other's bags.
When older wrestlers complain about the newer generation and being soft with the current locker room culture, that never made sense to me. I’d rather everyone be friendly and not doing drive and committing sexual assault.
I can tell this episode received lower ratings. 1) This story's been told a million times. 2) The dramatization by Vice of this story makes it look corny. Even though, technically it was very dangerous, in actuality, the mood of the wrestlers was more light-hearted. And 3) There were really no major changes from this that took place. If WWE fired Brock and others or made it so that major long-standing company policies would be reformed going forward, then that's one thing, but it felt like business as usual. Btw, I'm certain there are like a million wrestling stories we've never heard before, can't they pick one and offer new perspectives? They have the resources for it. Then again, maybe this show is meant for casuals and not those who didn't hear these stories before.
Whew and this is WWE. Combine this will the territories, NWA, WCW, New Japan, All Japan, CMLL, AAA, and others you have a grand canyon of stories to fuel this series.
Personally, I think X-Pac and Goldust came away from this looking okay. Goldust got a bit drunk and decided to take over the PA system. Whatever, thats kinda funny,and not really a huge deal. But he also defended the flight attendant from Ric Flair, and that's awesome. And X-Pac cut off Michael Hayes' ponytail. Whatever, not a big deal. That's not only funny, but it's a classic rib that you'd expect from those guys. I'm not condoning whoever decided to drug Michael Hayes though, that's messed up.
Looks like Ric Flair may eventually be taking the Hulk Hogan punishment soon, in that both his name and presence will be banned indefinitely from many of the big wrestling organizations out there for a few years, until he comes out with a very public and sincere apology, and wrestling fans welcome him back with open arms.
I don't care how you see it rather it was 20 years, 40 years, or 60 years. Tommy Dreamer got in trouble for the comments that he was endorsing what wrestling was back then. It was wrong back then and it's wrong today. Sexual harassment is a serious thing just imagine if you were a mother or you had a daughter or someone's grandmother being forced to do something that you don't want to do. Like I said before I don't care if it was back then or now you need to prevent stuff like this from happening. This is nothing new with WWE has done they have been dealing with scandals always dates back to the 1960s in the 1970s as well as the 80s and 90s
On the episode they say Vince didn't participate in any of the antics, but Kurt Angle has told many times the story of Vince and Kurt wrestling each other all over the airplane that day.
In storyline, Flair and McMahon were co-owners at the time. Flair was assigned Raw, and McMahon SmackDown. So in order to keep with the storyline, McMahon was with the SmackDown crew and Flair with the Raw crew.
@@josephgana6590 Well those nerds aren't dying in the early 30s or 40s because of sleeping pills or other drug abuse. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture.
@@josephgana6590 last I checked, these "boys" are living longer, healthier, working smarter, aren't dying off in their 50's or 60's, and aren't raping or sexually assaulting people. Well, most aren't.
@Tom Edwards Well in the general life sense I do agree with you. I don't have any social media accounts. And while I do play video games on some of my down time. It's not an everyday all day affair. There's nothing wrong with most leisure activities done in moderation. As far as the pro wrestling locker room culture is concerned. Once again I'd rather deal with the child like nerds of today than the some of the frat boy pricks of the past. Pranks and jokes are one thing. When they start to involve destruction of property, unwanted haircuts or feces (Mr. Waltman), it takes things to a whole new level. I also found it hypocritical specifically that today's wrestlers were called out for the video games. Yet wrestlers like the Undertaker were known for playing dominoes while others played cards. Games are games regardless of technology. Be consistent.
I know it's been 2 years since this video was posted on TH-cam, but, does Tommy Dreamer still have his Busted Open Radio deal/work for TNA/both?... To be fair, I've completely forgotten all about that, but, seeing as it's mid-2023 & this clip was posted in mid-2021, I don't think it really matters, now.
I don't know how things were in the mid-late 80's, but if it was the same, can anyone fault Macho Man for how "over protective" he was of Elizabeth backstage? These stories put things into perspective...
They really do.
Yes. Was he too overprotective? He definitely was, but the way the pro wrestling was back then, I can't fault his reasoning.
@@segagenesis7708 I think the both of them were too toxic for each other
@@segagenesis7708 I was talking about Elizabeth and Luger
Randy Savage was right on , on protecting his wife . He used to locked her up…
RVD said, "Never meet your heroes." Boy, is he right!!
Why would any wrestler be your hero? Or celebrities?
@@jcaceres516 or better yet, be very careful when choosing your heroes.
@@DeadmanInc336 Meh, I'm sure Cosby was a hero to a lot of people simply based on what was presented publicly.
@@jcaceres516 Ikr I always just saw them as entertainment nothing more.
Only betas are hating on flair and dreamer right now.
I remember back in 2002 in high school, when Hall and Mr.Perfect got fired one of my classmates who knew about dirt sheets told us about the Plane Ride From Hell and how he read that Flair was running around naked in a robe but at the time it was all a rumor, cause at the time to us if it was true we believed he would've been fired also.
It was all over the internet then also
Right. Die hard fans have known about this for 19 years
Wonder what ever happened to that classmate
Before this episode, the Plane Ride from Hell was talked about in a rather comedic manner from shoot interviews.
This episode provided a much more clear view about how fucked up it really was. And that it is anything BUT comedy.
Van Dam had one of the best lines of this episode. "Don't meet your heroes."
No shit they talked about it in a comedic manner in interviews.
This is the same industry where Arn Anderson and Sid Vicious buried the hatchet after stabbing eachother. We should stop acting like these people have the same standards for what is considered too far.
Van Dam had one of the best thoughts ever here, never idolize anyone you like watching, anyone can be caught slippin
Some of them are freaks.
This episode was a hit job. Manipulated for the documentary production. People is just gullible
Dude how is scott hall being fucked up to the point of oding funny?
There is something that is overlooked in this that I think a lot of people gloss over. Not only the RVD quote about how guys commonly drugged marks and women, but the fact there were so many syringes and shit on the plane that if this was a normal airline like American Airline or Delta the FBI would’ve been waiting right at the terminal for everybody is very telling about how different wrestling culture has become in the last 20 years
The plane ride from hell fiasco
ended the hard partying days in wrestling.
Sportjet looks bad as well. They threw the flight attendants under the bus.
Think about it, if the Speaking Out movement never started last year, you'd now have people like David Starr and Joey Ryan tweeting how appalled they are by Flair and Dreamer.
The hypocrites..you’re so right!
@@davidnelson4347 what happened there
@@theenigmaalie2792 Two huge "social justice" guys, who never shut up about how progressive they were, got outed by double digits women for being abusers.
@@EmoEmu oh that sounds about right
@@theenigmaalie2792 woke dudes always turn out to be the biggest creeps around.
2:47 “you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain”
In the past wrestlers involved talked about this plane ride like it was a Lads night out or a Stag Party but the more you watch it the more it gets disturbing
The look on Dreamer's face was cold & he was like "I don't give a fuck what I said. I said it .So what?"
Like to see the uncut version
He buried himself trying to defend Flair.
We all knew for years about this Flair type stories, but when you put a face and a name to just one person that was the victim of that well that just make it (for lack of a better word) real.
Agreed
Well I didn't know the he forced her to touch him. Totally different from what I heard. I thought he was just flashing and the fight attendant happened to be near him at the time and that was that. No idea that he literally cornered her, showed off his cock, and then tried to make her touch him. Like what the fuck
@@ekko6757,I don't care if the flight attendant was cooking meth in the bathroom if the story is true it's just gross and so far people really seem willing to give Flair a pass and gloss over what Scott Hall did.
@@dawnclark4635 oh just shut up. people like you are the problem with the "believe all women" and how the "me too" movement became a joke. she took the money and ran instead of taking it to court. that shows you her caracter.
I have no idea why Dreamer would set himself up like that. The guy just ruined his reputation out of nowhere for no good reason.
Shut up
I lost a lot of respect for Flair when he announced he was suing the WWE over the use of The Man moniker for Becky Lynch but this pretty much destroyed the rest of it. First,you under no circumstance should be walking around naked and swinging your dick. Second,you don't make unwanted advances towards a woman doing her job. Forget Dreamer's reputation. Hearing that Ric Flair has wasted most of his money,wanted to sue the company that paid him enough to get the IRS off his ass,and now stripping down to his robe and swinging his dick which resulted in him sexually harassing a flight attendant is worse then Dreamer defending him. It's just disgusting.
It was the love of his ponytail. 😂
@@JayCity10 ponytails plural not singular , lol dreamer was going on about making people trigger by wearing a double ponytail.. freaking goof dreamer..
Not to defend WWE but with the comments Dreamer made-does make you understand why WWE are the way that they are when it comes to their talents sling outside gigs w/o their permission.
@@diluted8 🐴💨
What’s scary, everyone is mostly talking about Flair. RVD said drugging and rape was a frequent occurrence so I’m expecting more to come out.
Also red looks terrible!! Boy his 420 life style ain't helping him...hate rvd
Only betas are outraged by this... 20 years ago.. Dreamer was right his double ponytail would offend modern day twitter beta males
@@thekingofcashvlogs865,so as a woman who's had to deal with the issues that steam from being assaulted and repeatedly sexually harassed I shouldn't be offended or I'm a beta? What's your stance on women being offended by what Ric Flair and Scott Hall,I don't want anyone to forget that Hall was attempting forced oral compulation on that flight attendant,acting like total f'n creeps?
Holy shit that part was dark, no wonder RVD stayed high most of the time.
@@dawnclark4635 he has to be a troll, because this is the caricature of the whole Alpha, beta douche mindset. You read responses like this and these are the same people who whine about meetoo movement.
The part that bothered me the most is when Flair was harrassing the attended, It's mentioned that Goldust was the only person that flair to leave her alone. Like why the fuck didn't more people, hell, ANYONE else stop him? That pisses me off smh
Most of them were probably too busy being drunked and drugged and considering the "culture" in that company in those days when It comes to women and their role, those who might have been capable to do something about it probably found it funny. Sad but likely true.
Goldust allegedly harassed a flight attended to. He was also named in the lawsuit.
@@hunnareal1 yes but they didn’t interview the other lady. That’s the one Dustin harassed and she was the one that originally filed the lawsuit.
And what exactly would you have done?
@@mayomonkey-gen1 go up to him and tell him to sit his ass down and leave her alone. I don’t give a fuck if it would be career suicide so long as I helped the flight attendant
The more this show continues, something tells me that a part of the wrestling industry wants the show to be remove off the air
There will come a point wrestling fans will be like this show is hurting the business.
Disco inferno sees it a mile away, he said this show is hurting it
@@Utterlyrandomguy we knowvthis episode impacted last nights "grand slame" show. You can't tell me with sting/darby facing FTR (with Tully) that Flair wasnt going to get into the mix somehow.
The fact that they just aired an episode of HEELS, with a Ric Flair type character running around on a plane only wearing a title belt, won't help things.
I’m pretty sure that’s where they got the idea from
Heels has been a great show so far
Yeh I was thinking that when it happened
@@riqodinero Yep
I’m really enjoying Heels.
I'd like to see dsotr do an episode about Ellen Bohm.
She was a wrestling fan from St, Louis who was so obsessed with it that she spent herself broke and then started killing her kids for insurance money so she could keep going to matches, she ended up getting life without parole.
Wow...I've never heard about that one!
@@justafanofnerdculture7602
Deadly Women did a segment on her story a few years ago, of all the women featured on that show she's one of the worst.
It's a real shame she didn't get the needle.
@@Hammerhead547 I'm definitely going to look into that. Thanks for the info, much appreciated. 👊
@@justafanofnerdculture7602
You're welcome.
OmG are you for real? I ain't never heard of that story.
Thinking back to Undertaker talking about the "Good ol days"
Imagine thinking that is a better way of life instead of playing Mario Kart with Big E or Halo with Adam Cole.
The good ol days when you drugged your friends and swung your dick in front of everyone... Well, at least the new generation are calmer and would rather play video games and keep to themselves rather than harass the flight attendants.
@@ftwsam2246 Exactly I'd much rather play video games with the boys vs a plane ride from hell.
@@ftwsam2246 If it doesn't harm anybody or themselves, then it should be no ones business how people spend their time, whether it's manly or not.
The Undertaker character was entertaining but Mark Callaway's a prick.
And let's not forget that Hulk Hogan was the pilot and he did an emergency landing in the Hudson River on Christmas Eve. Ha.
Brother! Ha
Hollywood Hogan would never lie
@@patjames3876 "It's not a lie, if you believe it." -George Costanza. Ha.
@@lemmyhead8578 ha.
That's a bullshit comment, we all know hulk hogan was space walking in outer space during the early 2000s give me a freaking break
All I can say is thank God the locker room culture in WWE and AEW today are FAR better than what WWF and WCW were like back then.
Shane Douglas has talked about this with Flair as well, it’s nothing new. One of the examples of why you never want to meet your heroes sometimes…
Ric Flair being a sexual deviant is about the least shocking news I've ever heard.
“I am the Dirtiest Player in the Game” ……
- Ric Flair …… 👀
WOOOOOOOOO
"I am The Game" - HHH
@@louis3141 😂
@@youtubemember1115 💯
Tommy Dreamer shot himself in the foot with what he said
Impact are hypocrites. They literally had Flair on the roster for years while these accusations have been known. But suspended Dreamer for expressing his opinion on something that happened 20 years ago.
@@aye_its_karate6169 Completely different owners back then, Anthem (who owns Impact now) had nothing to do with that
Not to mention they’ve suspended and fired any problematic people on the roster like Tessa and Mike Elgin since the new ownership
Didn't dreamer get pissy because Beaulah had a dirty movie out and he was mad people were watching it? Loser hypocrite
Arrogance is a downfall.. Dreamer screwed Dreamer
Dusty did an interview where he called flair the flim-flam man. that he only loved you when you were of any use to him. even Paul L. said he was the biggest liar he ever met. and Shawn said it as well. Flair did an upload going off on Shawn for what he said. at 72 he still acts like a childish little boy.
Exactly. But as per usual
Flair blames everyone else for what garbage he does.
Dusty Rhodes talking about Ric Flair & being a liar 🤥 POS 💩 a Mark us the funniest thing I ever heard I'd lik to know where you heard this kid cuz I guarantee you ain't even older than 20+ & thus is all bulk 💩. Cuz everything you just said Dusty Rhodes said us exactly what Dusty Rhodes was LoL 😁 Dusty Rhodes & Ruc Flair we're basically the same person except Dusty Rhodes was way more jealous if Ric Flair like he was of Hulk Hogan & thought he was a huge Name in Wrestling in Hulk Hogan level 🎚️ which he wasn't. He was a big Star in Florida when wrestling was a territory & NWA territories hell he even thought he was the second biggest face in the world behind Muhammad Ali and Elvis That's how delusional this guy was and put in the championship on himself when nobody voted for him because he had the power and he wasn't over and he got thar reality check in the WWF when nobody knew WTF he was LoL yet he thought he was gonna get a Hulk Hogan reaction. He realized that when nobody knew who he was cuz WWF was known global NWA was like your local high school football team.
Dreamer really did himself in with those insensitive comments. He had no choice but to apologize for that. He looked really bad from all perspectives.
Was Dreamer even on that flight or is he just trying to defend his friend?
@@Nazzlover38 I think he was mostly defending Flair. I don't think he was on that flight. I'm not sure though.
And he got sacked for it, he's one of those people who doesn't understand the value of keeping your mouth shut if you only have something stupid to say.
i could be wrong, but remember this is still for tv. but i think they edited that for Tommy to be the devil's advocate for the wrestlers or at least to explain the locker room culture then.
@@Nazzlover38 what I couldn't believe is he was defending someone who did some foul stuff and he wasn't on the flight. he defended somebody oh hearsay. and now he says he's sorry because it's 3 days later and people are still up in his backside for what he said, the jerk.
Just want to say the Solomonster says "push" just like The Joker said in The Dark Knight..."all it takes is a little push."
Yeah popped for that hahaha
A shame he didn't add the mad laughter afterwards lol
I thought the same thing
@@aghistorian763 He did for the Ronnie Ranke, Paige and DDP sad tweet part.
@@comixproviderftw_02 Fair enough
Left out the part where Cornette told Brock that he knew he couldn't fight him, so he'd just shoot him if he ever did anything like that again.
They had the balls to have Cornette preach against Warrior's homophobic comments in the first half of the season, despite Corny making very similar comments before.
As much as I like this show, it's still run by Vice, after all.
I think your mixing up Corny/Brock stories. The story Cornette's told where he threatened to shoot Brock is that he'd shoot Brock if Brock insulted his then -girlfriend/now - wife Stacy in OVW.
@@aggrodkreg4321 Same thing I said. I remember earlier this year when people were accusing A&E for being bias for WWE. What's ironic is that Vice is just as, if not more bias than A&E
@@TheJuliet316 Could be, I am middle-aged and more forgetful nowadays . I think it ensued after the match, and Stacey and Brock were arguing backstage. Brock insulted her, and that was when Jim said it.
@@TheJuliet316the story is rather interesting. Basicaly, Cornette was booking for OVW and Brock was teaming with Shelton Benjamin and in a dark match,on Raw,the spot was worked in where Brock would give Sinn,Cornette's wife Stacy,a press slam. Cornette liked the spot so much he called it for them in a match in OVW and Stacy had,had herself pierced. All day Brock told he was going to squeeze it when he got her up there and when he did it she got to the back and started screaming. Say what you want about Cornette and Stacy but this woman is a legit badass. She told Brock f you and then he said it back. I watched it a few times because it fasincates me. When Brock said it back Jim Cornette told him,"You're fixin' to work for Vince McMahon and whether he wants you to be a heel,a babyface or cluck like a chicken you're doing it." (This was prior to the press slam.) When Brock said f you to Stacy,who wasn't married to Cornette but was his gf at the time,he told Brock,"Don't say f you to my girlfriend in front of me because I'm not going to fight you I'll shoot you and if you're going to say you weren't giong to do something you better make sure you don't do it because no one would believe you didn't." Brock denied it constantly and Cornette told him if he ended up working in WWE or in some outlaw lockerroom no one's going to fight you,they'll just shoot you. The conclusion involved Brock calling Danny Davis and saying,"Jim said he was gonna shoot me." and Davis told him,"What the f did you think was gonna happen?"
The day Ric Flair says his apology, he’s gonna be crying. Watch.
Wrestling journalists knew these stories. How come they waited until the dark side of the ring to so vehemently disagree with the actions of the wrestlers involved...
@@ashishranjan1661 oh, I know. But I was taking about the journalists.
They = wrestling journalists
And Dave Meltzer is already twisting himself defending Flair (because Ric was one of his earliest sources/friends in the business, that’s why he spent most of the 80’s-90’s bashing Dusty and Dustin Rhodes, Hogan and The Outsiders)
"When the drunken American Idol wannabe is the only one to come over and save the day there's a very big problem here"
Bruh LMAO
The funniest thing about mike hayes is he was ready to kill whoever cut his ponytail but let JBL live after he smacked the life outta him lol
I like how you assume JBL would lose that fight when Hayes is the one that had to wait until he was asleep to get a shot in.
@@samoanjoseph1457 I didn’t assume anything.
How do u know? U weren't there
@@jamie.777 Because they said He left him alone after the incident
When flair said kiss stealing he meant it in other ways obviously
Vince wasnt on the flight but Linda was as she attended a charity event the day before Insurrection in London which was shown on the PPV. Also the Kurt/Vince fight i heard happened on a flight in November 2001.
Also they missed out with Michael Hays been so out of it according to Sean Waltman, he nearly pissed on Linda as he thought he was at the bathroom and kept saying "Wait a minute" several times
He was on the flight cuz he was wrestling in the aisle and undertaker broke it up.
@@JL_Lux that fight with Kurt Angle happened in November 2001 i think people get confused and forget cause Kurt wasnt on the plane ride from hell as he was on the smackdown roster at the time and was in florida at a house show as the smackdown roster was still in the US
@@Calculon1712 sir. rewatch the episode. You are confused. JR said he was on the plane acting up with everyone else. He said it multiple times. Not sure why you think the pay perview is proof of who was on the flight. They said he was was there and undertaker said in his interview with stone cold he broke it up cuz he thought it was real.
@@JL_Lux Do your research, im assuming youre getting mixed with Curt Hennig who was on the flight as he had the fight with Lesnar. As stated Kurt Angle was in the main event of a tag team in Fort Lauderdale, Florida teaming up with Jericho taking on The Rock and Hogan on a smackdown house show theres even fan cam of the match on this site. Look up house show results for Saturday 4th May 2002 and youll see. Sometimes peoples memories arent that sharp and JR can be hit and miss with what he remembers
Yeah, Tommy Dreamer's comments were... alarming. VERY alarming.
The Kurt Angle story has to be about the 2001 Insurrection PPV before the InVasion angle
Teddy Long Bill Dundee Jerry Jarrett and Koko Ware all tell stories of Flair dropping N bombs
Even if she did push it to the furthest extent of the law you'd have to be extremely naive to think that anything would've actually happened. All those wrestlers worship the ground Flair walks on so all of them are going to side with him so it would be her word against 50 wrestlers that have the financial backing of a billionaire. Atleast with the payout she got something out of her tramatic situation cause if she went the other route nothing would have happened.
Jimmy Snuka literally got away with murder, do people really think Flair would’ve got anything other than a slap on the wrist.
@@greenman394 you
Sad, but true. The ultimate example was when Owen Hart's wife was trying to sue WWE after he died and her own lawyer was basically like "You're not going to get what you want. Nobody is going to go to prison and nobody is going to go out of business."
Whoever complains about people not pursuing charges has never had to go to court for anything
Those hardcore matches and chair shots over the years in ECW really cause Tommy Dreamer to lose common sense in today’s world
Edit; that Jim Cornette and Brock Lesnar story you mentioned, the most memorable/crazy part of that story was how after that happened Jim threaten to shoot Lesnar, like literally shoot him
Let’s not forget that he was planning on going on a killing spree at Wrestlemania 17. That guy isn’t right in the head.
Too many kendo stick shots to the head, eh? Which considering what he know now about concussions and head trauma and how people worked back in the day, it probably isn't too far off.
Sooo Flair still knows the whole Story and is ready to tell his side? That's quite interesting because dsotr put a disclaimer up that Flair has no recollection of the events.
Thought that was Scott Hall?
@@bradbogard4603 both of them iirc.
Flair has always denied the sexual assault allegations, Scott Hall claims to have no recollection of the events on the plane. I think Flair's reputation is going to be damaged by this myself.
Michael Hayes got off lightly in that doc, there’s various (alleged)stories about him and female talent.
See, THAT I believe. Hayes LOOKS like the type who would force himself onto a chick.
And him being racist, add that to the list of things that make him absolute trash
@@SirJoelsuf1 a man's attractiveness has nothing to do with whether they harass others or not.
Hayes gave Rosa Mendes Grandpa's cough syrup when she had just gotten out of rehab for alcoholism.
And yet Mr Perfect lost his job over something that Brock was doing.
When I watched this episode today, I felt uncomfortable hearing how that flight attendant was treated. Kinda hard to look at guys like Ric Flair in a good way knowing what they did on that flight.
@@ekko6757 and you know this how? I’m sure if she was a convicted felon she would’ve been sitting in a jail cell when she was being interviewed for this episode which she wasn’t.
After this episode I never want to see Flair on TV ever again
What makes Michael Hayes so valuable? Genuinely curious. Because anyone else would have been fired years ago. Is he just cozy with the right people or is he some kind of creative MVP?
Been in the business for decades was a popular tag team wrestler in his day too so he kinda has juice with Vince been there since
Early 90’s
DOOT DOOT DOOT
The Kanyon episode might put Flair deeper in the hole.
What did he do?
Kanyon was on Howard Stern right after WWE released him. He was talking about how he was suicidal & talking about how he thought they released him because he was gay and Flair called in to say it was because he wasn’t good enough & had nothing to do with his life choices. The look on Kanyon’s face was pure sadness after he said that. The more F’d up part was is that Kanyon helped train David Flair a bit.
@@louis3141 Dang that’s messed up. That’s sad to hear.
@@louis3141 I wonder if they will mention Undertaker
@@lancethefilmguy9392 what's the story on that ?
I knew only about the Ponytail and Brock/Curt wrestling match
Flair showing his penis to women on the plane was public knowledge since 2002. Darkside proved a lot of fans right now are new. I wonder if you know Austin beat his wife and went to court over it.
@@jeremyfields9009 The Ric Flair incident is news to me, but that's because up until recently, I'd never bothered reading into things that goes on outside the wrestling business
@@jeremyfields9009 The only thing I didn't knew about was the Terri Runnels/Brock Lesnar situation
@@jeremyfields9009 I knew about them indecent exposure in hotels and stuff, I just didn’t know the gory details of this man spinning his dick around like a helicopter 🗿. Didn’t need that image in my head.
Great show today. As is the story every week. We appreciate you for all your hard work, Jason.
I knew Solomonster was going to roast Dreamer after what he said.
What happened to that flight attendant was very disturbing and I genuinely felt sympathy for her. Joke or not, Ric Flair was a stupid idiot doing that to her. You can tell that she was feeling awkward recalling the story.
As far as Dreamer goes, I do understand why he said what he said. He is saying that from a position of, "Well it must not have been that bad since she got paid." Doesn't make it sound good of course, but I guess that was what he was trying to say. Not to mention that he sorta predicted his future by saying that people are easily offended nowadays. And soon Impact suspended him.
I just find it very strange that some people want to punished Flair for something that took place nearly 20 years ago. At this point, let the Plane Ride from Hell be a cautionary tale as both JR & RVD said in this episode.
It's tough. On one hand I understand Dreamers perspective.
On the other, he had to know the current zeitgeist doesn't hold those views
@@spsawyer22 Very true
He absolutely knew the zeitgeist. He deliberately said what he said bc he's among many losers on this earth who thinks he's a victim bc he can't say or do things now that he did 25-30 years ago
@@skippythealien9627 Well like I said above, people shouldn't cancel someone because of an offensive comment.
If you have been a wrestling fan for at least 10 years, you've most likely heard about the Plane Ride from Hell incident. It has been 20 years ago since this took place. Not to mention that they settled out of court. I think that is what Dreamer meant by his comments.
@@lancethefilmguy9392 that's great...Dreamer's comments were still dumb as fk and typical of people who whine about being "oppressed" these days
i too don't think Dreamer should be getting canceled...but i definitely think Solomonster and others like him (including myself) deserve to mock and ridicule him for being so out of touch with the times
The flair stuff reminds me of the R Kelly and bill cosby situations in the sense that these were known events for years and made light of. A story about roofies, my great uncle was roofied at the age of 17 he is now 85. He was never able to leave home my great grandma literally took care of him until she died.
Flairs situation is bad, but r Kelly and Cosby where date raping girls hell r Kelly was abusing kids! Flairs absolute disgrace but come on Cosby and R Kelly are complete different level
@@robbiewalesbraniff6668 did you not read my post? I never said they were on the same level. Also I’d argue that no sexual assault is better or worse than any other so stop being an sexual assault apologist. Flashing people groping people flair is in the same boat as Clinton, RKelly,and Cosby
@@imverygerby he didn't lol
Wait, I'm confused. Did the roofie have some long term effect on your grandfather or was he or your grandmother just that afraid/traumatized of him ever going out in public and having that happen again? I'd really like to know.
You were the only one I was waiting for to review this.
Jim Cornette
Same. Especially once the Dreamer stuff really hit the fan in the aftermath.
Goodmicwork
So that's where Shane Douglas got "Dick Flair" from...
This reminds me of the Cosby shit even if it wasn't as "bad" as what Cosby did. Ppl knew about the Cosby situation for YEARS in the underground comedy scene, but it only really came to light years later when Hannibal Buress exposed Cosby by including a joke about his crimes in his standup.
@@diluted8 next you're gonna tell me committing capital murder is called a 5 Knuckle Shuffle
I knew OF the Plane Ride From Hell, I knew it had that name for a reason, but I was kinda a little...lacking in the details. And by a little, I mean I knew zip. I can't really explain how or why I didn't know, since I've been watching wrestling since back before this incident happened, I just didn't know.
I agree with what The Solomonster said around 20:17-20:25...
Ric Flair was 53½ years old at the time this flight took place & he's still resorting to occasionally showing off his "third leg"/"kick-stand"/elephant trunk"/etc. other nick-names that you can think of?...
You think he'd be telling himself "Grow up!...", right?...
“The mountains of Saskatchewan” line had me chuckling as that province is as flat as Nebraska or Iowa
I saw that episode...i was shook, tommy dreamer turned heel on that show!!!😲😲😲
0:30 1 Time, like Bret Hart
If I were Tony Khan, I wouldn't bring Ric Flair into AEW in any capacity.
Hell no. AEW is on fire now so no way he wants that bad publicity.
It's funny that many of the people that I found on social media, the ones who still hold a grudge against Hogan for what he said on that leaked audio a couple of years back, are actually defending Ric, and giving him a pass after what he did 2 decades ago.
Both actions from these men are equally terrible. All I'm saying is, keep that same energy going. Hold Ric accountable the same way Hogan was.
I totally agree with you . Ric Flair is nasty and gross walking around naked on Airplane
Hogan was in private intoxicated and Ric was in public not giving a damn but Flair is given the benefit of doubt? Lol I can’t with online wrestling fans anymore.
No what Flair did is objectively much worse. Hogan said a couple of bad words in a private conversation while Flair sexually assaulted a woman
That is the same thing I said during the Savage episode. It is weird how people can mock Hogan and yet defend Savage. Either criticize both equally or don't at all
@@Ian-Omega Yep
Poor Dustin. Dude was descending deeper and deeper into his personal hell, but still had what it took to do the only fucking good deed to the girl during the entire flight.
He was named in the lawsuit as having sexually harassed the other flight attendant.
@@101frustrations damn
This plane ride was a massive clusterfuck.
Was Syxx (123 kid) aboard?..
@@Nostalgicguy2242 yes.he cut Michael Hayes's ponytail on the flight
"These fucking kids today aren't real men! All they want to do is play video games in the back."
Thank fuck.
Tommy Dreamer was already a Questionable Fella to me once he admitted to wanting to Murder Paul Heyman Live at WrestleMania … 🤷🏿♂️
And don't forget he tried to defend Tessa Blanchard when she was exposed last year
@@MazeDaGr8 i do not know what else, he said on busted open or elsewhere. he said Tessa was always nice to him, but understood he will get treated better than her peers.
not defending it, but he did admit that was a dark depression. he thought Paul Heyman had ruined his life and ran off to get a job in wwe. Dreamer put much of his money in the company putting himself in debt.
Everybody's not ready for space mountain! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
There's two possibilities here: either Dreamer probably bought into the "war on woke" mentality a lot of people have or he just wasn't objective about it because it's Ric Flair, still seen as a God by many of his peers because of the Legend he is as a performer. Are there people in this age that get offended too easily? Sure. Is this one of those cases? Hell no, the poor woman was cornered by a drunk naked man who forced her to touch his penis. And the best argument was like "well he didn't rape her, he isn't a sexual predator!" like that's the only kind of unacceptable sexual behavior and harassment doesn't come in various forms. I want to hope Dreamer was just blinded by his admiration for Flair, but the way he spoke makes me think that he indeed is one of those people that use the "oh everyone is offended by everything these days" argument to cover up serious stuff too. And that's a sad thing to find out.
I can’t believe people are somehow defending this
Ric Flair did nothing wrong, WOOOOOOOOOOO!
Because this shit is old af you acting like it happened yesterday its been 20 years
As far as I see no one is defending the actions.
Most of the "defense" seems to be people mad that Tommy Dreamer is getting cancelled for expressing an unpopular opinion. Tommy didn't expose himself or committ any bad acts. He's never been accused of anything of that nature. Yet he still looks like he's about to lose his job
@@battousaithekingslayer9913 so what if something happened 20 ago does that make the actions that less vile ?
@@Kaythemainevent2 nobody said that its already been dealt with in court and shit yaw just being extra with it
I feel for Dreamer a bit. My wife and I cringed every time he opened his mouth on that episode, but the fact that he's out of a job because of his distorted recollection of a series of incidents that happened 20 years ago while they were all drunk and/or high is a bit extreme imo. Listen to Dreamer's old takes on chair shots on Austin's podcast. He's a cringe factory who once justified head shots by saying "my grandmother is 92 and losing her memory, we're all going to lose it anyway" As for Ric? If everything that was said is true, then its a long time coming that he has to deal with what's coming. As for Dreamer? This is textbook cancel culture BS. He was dismissed because Twitter got mad and he was trending for it and that was it. Dreamer was just the latest head for the Twitter mob to hang like a trophy on their wall.
He purposely disoriented those events. He praised ric flairs big dick and then said “well she should of pressed charges” 🤨 he spoke himself out of a job. Just stfu and he wouldn’t have to worry about his job using their freedom of association and firing him
I agree I haven't really wanted to see Flair full time in several years I just see a old sad drunk that is probably starting to mentally slip ge can't be in full command of his mind anymore because of the decades of alcohol abuse
Apparently he's a flasher since the 80's. That's not something that suggests he's mentally well
I'm so glad Chris Benoit, (my favorite wrestler) never got caught up in any controversy like this.
Hahahah
@@elijahloveell8809 this joke went totally over your head 😂
@@riqodinero Ah shit, just realized the joke 😆. My bad
Damn.....
Ric, Scott, and Brock look bad after this but Tommy Dreamer🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Yet Taker has the audacity to get triggered by today's wrestlers for playing video games and subtly insinuating that today's male wrestlers aren't "real men" just because they don't drink, party, do drugs, rape people, and stab each other with syringes and scissors. I will gladly take today's wrestlers over these animals from back in the day. They're smarter, working safer, healthier, and are living longer. So if that makes them "soft" in Taker's eyes, then he can fuck off with his outdated, tone deaf views.
I will never understand this near god-like deification of these wrestlers from the past that fans today have for them and how much leeway they give them. But, holy shit, some guys do some "flips and kicks" and these people lose their minds.
I can't imagine Dreamer will be back in Impact. You cannot have those views in 2021.
Him having two daughters makes it even more unfathomable.
People are allowed to have opinions, or at least they used to be.
Be careful what you wish for
That kinda struck me as odd as well. Don't know why he said that at all, seeing as he was practically the ONLY dude in ECW 25 years ago who DIDN'T take advantage of ring rats, which is heinous no matter who is doing it to who.
Perhaps Dreamer is frustrated with his marriage and was expressing it? I know a lot of married guys who are very frustrated cuz their wives don't let them have sex (hell, like 2/3 of the dudes in my bowling league are like that), they tend to say stupid shit like what Dreamer said.
@@spsawyer22 free speech only applies to speech against the government.
Companies have *always* had the power to act if your public opinion is something they find unpalatable. It's just that until the last 20 years or so, people didn't have their opinions put on blast across the world due to social media, blogs, etc.
@@SirJoelsuf1 - - definitely possible.
@@tuxedotservo Not disagreeing with you. People used to mostly keep their opinions to themselves, and barely anyone knew about your sexuality/religion/politics. Not entirely sure it's better now to be honest.
Regarding whether Vince and Linda were on the plane or not, the episode makes it pretty clear that Vince and Linda were on the flight going over to the UK for the tour and the PPV. They were not on the flight going home - the Plane Ride From Hell.
Imagine if they were 😳
If you drug anyone against their will that should be a mandatory 5 years in prison. What if they were on some other medication and the drugs were not supposed to be mixed together. You could of killed that person. Also, if Lesnar did that to Cornettes girl, that was screwed up.
You do realize that during the police questioning of Jimmy Snuka Vince showed up with a briefcase,right? Willing to bet that Vince would've paidoff anyone who accused his talent of what basically amounts to rape.
@@dawnclark4635 While I can't say that actually happened, let's just say that I could see that being the case.
Besides what Tommy Dreamer said, I was shocked by RVD saying he had seen women get drugged and raped by other wrestlers. He just lost all my respect for not stepping in to stop them.
I'm really wondering why out of everything in the doc, this is not at the forefront.
After watching this episode i genuinely understand why Macho Man was as protective of Elizabeth as he was....this whole flight seems like it was an average saturday in the Territories
I can kinda see where Dreamer Was coming from, people are sometimes to sensitive these days. That being sad: we are talking about sexual assault here and stories of wrestlers roofyng girls and Rick putting the flight attendents hand on his junk. That is simply inexcusable .
Nah. Whether people are too sensitive or not this was the absolute wrong time to bring up people being too sensitive. Tommy clearly does not give a fuck about consent. At least not when it involves his heroes or "the boys."
@@robertwarf3316 totally agree on this one.
People should be sensitive about this stuff. You,under no circumstance,should justify sexual harassment or sexual assault.
@@dawnclark4635 like I said I can generally see where dreamer was coming from but this wasn't the right topic at all to make that argument. Sexual assault is not a hill dreamer should've wanted to die on. It's horrible hearing stories about your heroes drugging people to have their way with and ribbing each other like shitting in each other's bags.
When older wrestlers complain about the newer generation and being soft with the current locker room culture, that never made sense to me. I’d rather everyone be friendly and not doing drive and committing sexual assault.
I will never doubt the solomonster AGAIN
SWINGERS: Come On...Why Was Miss Elizabeth With Lex Luger...Karen Angle Jeff Jarrett..Melina Batista....WRESTLING BACKSTAGE IS SUPER DIRTY
I can tell this episode received lower ratings. 1) This story's been told a million times. 2) The dramatization by Vice of this story makes it look corny. Even though, technically it was very dangerous, in actuality, the mood of the wrestlers was more light-hearted. And 3) There were really no major changes from this that took place. If WWE fired Brock and others or made it so that major long-standing company policies would be reformed going forward, then that's one thing, but it felt like business as usual. Btw, I'm certain there are like a million wrestling stories we've never heard before, can't they pick one and offer new perspectives? They have the resources for it. Then again, maybe this show is meant for casuals and not those who didn't hear these stories before.
This topic was requested repeatedly per one of the creators of the series stated. & hey, I watched it on TH-cam not cable.
I’ve always said that if certain women cake forward today 9/10ths of the people you grew up admiring and respecting would be in deeeeeeep shit
Whew and this is WWE. Combine this will the territories, NWA, WCW, New Japan, All Japan, CMLL, AAA, and others you have a grand canyon of stories to fuel this series.
Personally, I think X-Pac and Goldust came away from this looking okay. Goldust got a bit drunk and decided to take over the PA system. Whatever, thats kinda funny,and not really a huge deal. But he also defended the flight attendant from Ric Flair, and that's awesome. And X-Pac cut off Michael Hayes' ponytail. Whatever, not a big deal. That's not only funny, but it's a classic rib that you'd expect from those guys. I'm not condoning whoever decided to drug Michael Hayes though, that's messed up.
I am in no way surprised to be reminded that Shawn Michaels was a POS.
Different time and place, I get that.
But that culture was so awful.
Keep Flair away from AEW,he’s Toxic AF.
Don callis is there so what’s your point?
Can't wait for the Steroid Trial episode. Vince would probably sue Vice for slander.
Looks like Ric Flair may eventually be taking the Hulk Hogan punishment soon, in that both his name and presence will be banned indefinitely from many of the big wrestling organizations out there for a few years, until he comes out with a very public and sincere apology, and wrestling fans welcome him back with open arms.
I don't care how you see it rather it was 20 years, 40 years, or 60 years. Tommy Dreamer got in trouble for the comments that he was endorsing what wrestling was back then. It was wrong back then and it's wrong today. Sexual harassment is a serious thing just imagine if you were a mother or you had a daughter or someone's grandmother being forced to do something that you don't want to do. Like I said before I don't care if it was back then or now you need to prevent stuff like this from happening. This is nothing new with WWE has done they have been dealing with scandals always dates back to the 1960s in the 1970s as well as the 80s and 90s
On the episode they say Vince didn't participate in any of the antics, but Kurt Angle has told many times the story of Vince and Kurt wrestling each other all over the airplane that day.
That was a different flight. That happened after Insurrextion 2001.
Yes they did, but not on this flight. It was 2001.
@@TheSolomonster Any idea where Austin and Taker were during the plane ride from hell?
@@simmorani444 Wish I knew, never hear their names mentioned
I imagine someone's going to tell some horrific stories about the ECW locker room on one of these DSOTR's.
Vince and angle fight was on the plane from 2001
The innovator of ignorance Tommy Dreamer
That's JUST RIC being Ric
In storyline, Flair and McMahon were co-owners at the time. Flair was assigned Raw, and McMahon SmackDown. So in order to keep with the storyline, McMahon was with the SmackDown crew and Flair with the Raw crew.
All wrestlers do now is play video games, what a huge difference
Hall and Flair came off the worst.
And the wrestlers today get criticized for playing video games and not being "real men".
CAUSE THIER NOT, VIDEO GAMES IN THE LOCKER ROOM WIT THE BOYS, WOW!!!!!NERDS
@@josephgana6590 Well those nerds aren't dying in the early 30s or 40s because of sleeping pills or other drug abuse. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture.
@@josephgana6590 last I checked, these "boys" are living longer, healthier, working smarter, aren't dying off in their 50's or 60's, and aren't raping or sexually assaulting people. Well, most aren't.
@Tom Edwards I've got 5 minutes.
@Tom Edwards Well in the general life sense I do agree with you. I don't have any social media accounts. And while I do play video games on some of my down time. It's not an everyday all day affair. There's nothing wrong with most leisure activities done in moderation.
As far as the pro wrestling locker room culture is concerned. Once again I'd rather deal with the child like nerds of today than the some of the frat boy pricks of the past. Pranks and jokes are one thing. When they start to involve destruction of property, unwanted haircuts or feces (Mr. Waltman), it takes things to a whole new level.
I also found it hypocritical specifically that today's wrestlers were called out for the video games. Yet wrestlers like the Undertaker were known for playing dominoes while others played cards. Games are games regardless of technology. Be consistent.
I know it's been 2 years since this video was posted on TH-cam, but, does Tommy Dreamer still have his Busted Open Radio deal/work for TNA/both?...
To be fair, I've completely forgotten all about that, but, seeing as it's mid-2023 & this clip was posted in mid-2021, I don't think it really matters, now.