Starmer Is Defying Common Sense | Ash Sarkar meets Gary Younge
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ต.ค. 2024
- From his early career following Nelson Mandela on the campaign trail to his stint as US Correspondent for The Guardian, Gary Younge has been one of the most thoughtful and compassionate voices on the UK left. Gary sits down with Ash to talk about his time in Soviet Russia, his problem with skiing and the 13 hours he spent getting drunk with Maya Angelou.
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Brilliant interview Ash👍🏾👍🏾
We need to see and hear more from Gary.
Once again, Ash hits it out of the park. Thoughtful, intelligent and politically astute. She should be on every major media outlet in the UK. Well done NM!
It's so irritating when people don't understand the meaning of the word 'literally'.
@@paddymeboySo clever cuts. What does it mean then?
@@paddymeboythis is so tiresome. The word's usage has changed, and in one sense it is completely inverted. That's how hyperbole and irony contribute to semantic shifts over time. This has happened to many words you now use without even realising they used to mean their opposite. Deal with it; it's in the fucking dictionary.
Btw, I share the same sentiment about Ash but I would spare her the pain and brain-rot that would come from being on every major media outlet in the UK...
It's so refreshing to listen to two first class journalists, because journalism is practically non-existent in the mainstream..
Listening to journalists is refreshing? Really?
I could listen to Gary Younge all day. Another great interview by Ash!
Gary Young is a legend!!
I love this interview with Gary and his outlook on things is deeply fascinating to me.
I'm so pleased you have said that Ash.
Gary Younge has always represented the voice of reason.
Really glad Gary came back from the US. We need more like him in our political sphere. Great interview Ash. TFS 😊
To repeat: David Evans Labour Party General Secretary has threatened with expulsion any party member attending the Palestinian Solidarity marches. So I issued a complaint against him for "bullying intimidation or harassment" using the online complaint form on the Labour party website. ANYONE can complain. So do it now.
If they are supporting Hamas at those demonstrations, then Labour Party members shouldn’t be attending them
They are free to quit the party if they have a problem with that completely sensible rule
@@jeffsimon9594lol, Stalinism
@@jeffsimon9594But one can support the genocide of the Palestinians a war crime with no repercussions
I love this interview - Gary's experience and wisdom along with Ash's deep curiosity and integrity makes for a great recipe. Many thanks!
Gary Younge was kind to me once. It's always a pleasure to see his face on my screen.
Always good to hear Gary Younge
One of my favourite journalists and thinkers 🙏👏
Gary Younge, one of the good ones. Love him.
Gary always gives such good insights. Pleased he left the Guardian but wish he was writing/producing a weekly or monthly outlet elsewhere. Such a great think and great writer - Another day in the death of America was outstanding.
Yes I'm very glad he left that particular newspaper!
Such an enjoyable and insightful episode, once again. Thanks to you both.
Always looked forward to Gary Younge's incredible columns in The Nation when my family subscribed back in the 2000s. So great to see him, and a fantastic interview by Ash!
Can he answer why did the Guardian take a massive dump on the Jeremy Corbyn movement? I will never buy that newspaper again.
I haven't bought it for years. I hardly ever read it online
I suspect they changed ownership or people at the top
He could probably shed some light on it, but I very much doubt he was involved in that project.
So enjoyed listening to this over the past couple of days. The pace, the layers, the topics, the insights: bravo!
That was brilliant, thank you Ash and Gary. 🙏
This interview is very informative thank you Ash &your guest ❤
I have seen Gary on DDN a few times and enjoyed the videos, but TBH this showed Gary in a much more enjoyable and credible way, well done Ash.
The distinction between amnesia and forgetting is powerful. We should all definitely care. 💥
Such an intelligent and articulate journalist/writer. And 13 hours with Maya Angelou! Wow!
So great to hear from Gary again. Really liked the stuff he wrote in the Guardian a few years ago.
And again Gary is spot on on so many things. Better still, he's so human in his responses too! I love his reply about having self confidence: just perfect👌. Thanks Gary! 😘
Wonderful conversation. Thanks both. Great great stuff.
Brilliant interview. Glad Ash got to meet one of her heroes.
Great, great, great!! Thank you Novara, Ash and Gary
Jeremy Corbyn very much did handle the media bullying with dignity and more often than not good cheer
We are traumatised. The world's a fucked unequal place, and im tired of it
well do something about it.
I hear you man
what should we do? @@keirmitchell5560
Always was
@@keirmitchell5560 What make you think I'm not?
Love this guy. Good interview.
There are far more people like you than we know. They simply don’t get a chance to shine. Forever!!!
Got to see more like this; 4-30 in the morning but would like to say kudos to you two.
Two more mellifluous voices i've never heard. Millie grazie.
Grazie Mille.
Once again. Ash is on top of her game. Another brilliant interview. We need Novara here in America/NYC.
Wonderful interview. Thank you. Again.
Thanks
Excellent, thank you.
A brilliant listen. Thx
You folks are brilliant ❤
Another great really interesting interview
What a wonderful counterpoint to the noise and emptiness of the confrontational interviews of much of the ego-driven mainstream. I'm a bit older than Gary and largely share his political position so I may be a touch biassed but trying to be objective I feel he has such thoughtfulness that translates into insights that are at once hard hitting and compassionate. He employs such a simple but effective device of turning the mirror back on people to help them understand a situation. The short discussion of the white diaspora illustrates this perfectly. The completely unconscious comfort of being surrounded by the familiar reflected back in Ash's example of white friends being in the minority was uncomfortable but ok and then the realisation of how living with that discomfort all your life must feel. Great interview, Ash.
Gary's fantastic✨
Wonderful Ash and Gary
100% im 59 and still listen to news and say i right. I need to check that out
Gary is always top value; it's always so - I don't know exactly the word - like _soothing_ or _reassuring_ almost to hear him break down things. He combines this rare intellectual caution and conviction so effectively. Also, he's completely right about skiing.
Skiing is such the pastime of the wealthy .
I cant imagine what would happen if after two week holiday, instead of returning with peeling skin and some tall tales de Benidorm, I'd have rang my boss and told him I couldnt shimmy up that ladder and stack the roof out with slates because.... I have a broken collarbone /I am hobbling about on crutches with my leg in plaster/ My car is upside down in a ditch in Morzine so we're having a few beers while Yves sorts it out...OK?
The other thing about 2019 that often gets forgotten, even by the Left, is that Labour still secured their highest vote share since 2005 (it might even be 2001, I can’t remember off hand). To talk of broad popularity, vote share is the most important measure. The seat count significantly skewers Labours performance.
Not just Labour's. The highest popular vote for a winning party ever and the only one to exceed 14 million delivered a mere 21-seat majority to the Conservatives in 1992.
Broad popularity is important once in power. Seat count gains you power. This is an important distinction. KS has to walk this tightrope. Sadly some are busy cutting the rope from underneath him. I have yet to see a coherent explanation how a third general election campaign along the same proper socialist/broad popularity grounds will turn out differently this time? I just hope he tacks left once in power.
@@btd836seat count is largely out of the control of the party under FPTP though, with the exception of specifically targeted seats (which you could argue is under the party’s control, but even then it’s largely up to chance). And it was (in part) the poor seat targeting strategy that undermined the 2017/19 performances (acc to the so-called leaked dossier anyway)
Another great interview x
Fascination chap, Mr Younge. I have never heard the description of the black middle class, or lack of it, in the UK, but it's so, so, true.
Such a fascinating and illuminating discussion. Gary Younge is one of my favourite journalists and writers, and I am always on the lookout for new articles or interviews which include his insightful contributions. The title is clickbait though, which doesn't really represent this wide ranging discussion very well!
This title/thumbnail really speak to my experience. Looking forward to the vid 👍
The 2019 election was all about Brexit , and Starmer firmly in the remainer camp , convinced Mr Corbyn , a life long euro sceptic , to sit on the fence on Brexit throughout the election campaign .
I'm not sure what you're trying to imply. If Starmer had kept his mouth shut are you suggesting people would have voted for Corbyn to get Brexit done rather than the Tory party? Most of the UK were against Brexit by 2019, yet Corbyn remained Eurosceptic. Labour's refusal to back remain baffled many people and was a major error IMO. I cant see how Remain supporting KS is to blame for this when it was JC pulling the party towards Brexit/Lexit.
@@btd836 Youre both somewhat missing the point, the 2019 was based on a lie. Whatever happened inside the Labour party, look at where it is now and ask yourself if it was all by chance.
What a great thinker
Gary Younge is an OG!
Keep up the sterling work, love your stuff!
Gary Younge is the GOAT 🐐
Help novara out. For the price of a pint you could be supporting the only UK answer to complete crap like GB news. Wouldnt that be worth a bit of cash, to have honest high quality coverage that gets as big as mainstream news channels?
To hell with that
I do.
I probably will
@@bestcomsystems4458 bore off 😴
@@bestcomsystems4458wasn't aware of that and that and that is not good and I wouldn't support that viewpoint. I have watched their content for years and it has always been very left leaning but balanced. I wouldn't consider a bad take by one journalist to taint the whole operation. If that were the case then I don't think you could watch any news media. I do agree that, that was a really bad take though ..
Great interview
GY is an intellectual I find appealing because his analysis although often true, leaves me with questions and curiosity that I personally love.
What an interesting conversation, really enjoyed it.
one of the many problems of fascism is: it makes right wing labour look reasonable in comparison. same problem in australia.
Fascism is empowered by so-called 'Centrists'. You believe Hillary Clinton's 2016 loss to Donald Trump was due to "unreasonables"?
really enjoyed this.
Brilliant brilliant interview. Gary Younge is a brilliant mind
"critical mass of melanin" is a banger name for a band, honestly.
Great mate 👍 thanks
Incredible interview
Love these kind of 'they'll always come for you' interviews. Good they've not got both of you yet!!?
great, thanks (the people and the content!). this is meant as constructive feedback: when you start a question or a comment, leave your hands near the table. or in the air if you want to gesture. don't touch your face each time. all the best and keep going!
Brilliant interview Ash👏
The Labour Party is not a coherent entity.
It can't be, in order to win in a FPTP system you've got to be in either of the two massive coalitions that can win. Both the Tories and Labour are five or six parties in a representative democracy
That is because they now serve a techno feudal lobby and not the unions.
It's not a democratic socialist party
Never was. Factions
Fascinating
Great interview!
Free 🇵🇸
The brave children throwing stones at tanks, to throwing missiles back at their oppressors.😢
Gary I love you so much, I am traumatized by what happened to Corbyn but that experience has motivated me. I say Bring It On! I'm ready for the struggle for our country/culture/self worth, even though I'm disabled and outwardly Marxist I'll work with leftists of all stripes. Jeremy should stand as an independent in his constituency, if I lived there I'd definitely be voting for him!
Think Ash and Gary should do a Podcast together called Politics and All The Rest.
What a thoroughly interesting man 💜
Nice one Gary ( from a fellow Marymead boy ).
Now that's a name I haven't heard for decades. I was going to put a note on here saying how nice it was to see someone from the town doing so well but i think yours is better; certainly more accurate.
Very interesting when he gets to speak on America vis a vis the UK
Yoi guyz are amazing
I feel the same way about golf, as Gary feels about skiing.
Yes and Formula 1 and horse racing
Mutual lovin'😊
This is a dream team.
I have recently visited London from.the North and for the first time thought how great it was to see the diversity and mix of people. As a white person I felt very comfortable with it, it seemed easy. I'm.sure it isn't the same in all of London but it was very noticeable this time.
We will always remember Corbyn. He was amazing and gave us hope.
Any chance Ash could interview Jackie Walker?
Lucky Ash meets one of my writer heros. Lucky Gary meets the wonderful Ash. I envy both.
🚨 The book linked in the description is incorrect. His new book is "Dispatches from the Diaspora: From Nelson Mandela to Black Lives Matter"
That’s a big Ghana Gap ! I like this fella and His politics is ok !
Oops I should say I'm a proud Gen Xer and disabled. The only two things that has put obstacles in my way are I'm marxist and a woman (not to overemphasize that too much), I have an inquisitive mind and a drive to learn everything within my capabilities. I've loved this interview and want Gary back plus Ash please ask your mum to come on to Downstream 🙏💕
You can't take a break from being political, if your politics is your situation. I do have an unhealthy rage and I do feel politically traumatised from 2015 onwards. But I don't have a permanent address, I'm suffering from mental illness, I'm trying to work, to finish my studies as an adult, I'm constantly having to chase up admin, and bills and medical help because nothing works, I can't afford food... Then this is replicated all around me in the people I know and meet. It's easy to take a break when your job is politics. My politics is my life.
I want to see a downstream with Ash interviewing her mum
I want to see Ash as Prime Minister one day.
@@steveblundell7766 There are many different kinds of communism, as with socialism or anarchism. But nice try!
@@conormcgovern-paul8275 Go ahead and name them then
@@jeffsimon9594 Various strands of Marxism, Leninism, Trotskyism etc, Libertarian communism (which I think Ash subscribes to), Left communism, Autonomism, Workerism etc etc... that's before you cover multiple Socialist and Anarchist ideologies
@@steveblundell7766Maybe Rosa Luxembourg, eh? Not that Ash is a Communist, in my opinion.
Trauma is exactly my condition
So true -find a way to be better....and don't cry into pillow -SO AGREE! The PR op was hopeless.
It's slightly comical to imagine Gary being taken for an American, when he's as British as baked beans on toast.
At best Corbyn would have had one term in office then Labour would have been out for another 10 years. Not because he would’ve been bad, but because everything would have been the worst thing ever according to the press. Discuss.
At 15 I had hope ! And here we are 😳😳😳❗️53 years later and everything is worse !
Traumatised! That is it. Exactly! But I can't move on, everything else feels like a very bad compromise. There is no comparable alternative.
I am focused on the Post Office Horizon Inquiry and campaigning on that . I have really helped there I am told, in small ways.