The bleak history of John Bramley-Moore
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Everton are due to move into their new stadium in 2024. With a 52,000 capacity that sits on the River Mersey, it will bring new life to fans of one of the longest serving clubs in the Premier League.
But the area it's being built, Bramley-Moore dock, has a troubling past that needs to be reflected upon and recgonised.
Written by Simon Hughes and illustrated by Philippe Fenner, we look at the history of John Bramley-Moore and the docks that the Toffees will call their new home.
Simon Hughes article for The Athletic: theathletic.com/3712394/2022/...
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As an Everton fan, this is top stuff.
I thought the name was great for the stadium, but that will certainly need a revisit
How about:
Vauxhall Stadium
Regent Road
or simply Everton Stadium?
Something incorporating "Mersey" would also be quite fitting, but given that Anfield is more or less nicknamed "Merseyside" (if I'm not mistaken), it's probably not a good idea.
EDIT: But I guess the stadium name will be sold off anyway, so it will probably be something along the lines of 出賣你的靈魂-Stadium.
@@lonestarr1490 Can I suggest Goodison Docks?
@@lonestarr1490 The club have already stated the name is Everton Stadium until they get a suitable sponsor. Anfield has never been nicknamed Merseyside.
The irony is it will probably be named after some multi National company that’s currently engaged in dubious labour and environmental practices.
i knew most of this and came into this video negatively, as i thought you were going blame everton for the history that’s got nothing to do with the current club, but you dealt with and explained this very, very well. as an everton fan, thank you for this. it was needed
Say and recognise but not be proud, very important and I think really well put
As a (foreign) Everton fan, important video to make. It's kind of funny how this has nothing to really do with football but it has the same style and tone. I absolutely don't want this guy's name on the stadium and would like something as a memorial if anything
Your opinion is irrelevant mate, you're not even from Liverpool or England
@@thebarnacle6402 your opinion is irrelevant. Everton are not an English business.
@MAN
You cannot, and should not, change history. What happened, happened.
@@johnburns4017 Why do people always make this childish 'change history' argument? Nobody is trying to do that. I'm sure you agree that it wouldn't be great if all the streets in Berlin that were still named after famous Nazis and their triumphs - changing the names of these streets didn't 'change history', it merely recognised that current society doesn't want to celebrate those people in the way past societies did
The International Slavery Museum is part of the Maritime Museum on the Albert Dock, the exhibits were there before 2007. The video suggests that was some watershed moment for the city but it was just a new name. Really worth the visit by the way.
Liverpool had long been on my bucket list, but knowing that this gem of a place exists is all the more reason for me to go.
Amazing bit of reporting! Frankly fascinating and we're all better for being aware and privy to this bit of history! Amazing work Tifo!
Wrong on so many levels
@@HHM706 what?
WRONG
@@drosso4956 WRONG
its an intresting one, hard to blame the people of today for events two hundred years ago but I think if Everton came out acknowledgeing that the land they are building on is developed by slaves it would do a lot for them. And then of course, rename it
When bringing these bits of history up, people are almost never blaming the people of today. They're requesting acknowledgment and recognition of the wrongdoings of the past and the effects they might have today, if any
@@BboyCustomz good point
No one is blaming people today
@@T.E.S.S. lol look how defensive he got 😂
@@skp8748 It's a very common way to react when this sort of subject comes up, though it's often expressed in a much more unpleasant way. Josh seems like a reasonable person but that defensive reflex is still there 🤷♀️
I commend this piece because I feel we should be allowed to talk about history even if it makes others uncomfortable.
And without fear of being cancelled to high heaven.
History should never be forgotten.
Shame then we only remember the past 2000 years of a 200,000 year human existence.
As long as it's cherry picked for a current agenda and ignored if it shows one up!
@@Elliot-T That's Prehistory not history.
Correct. We should never forget that African peoples invented slavery, and were by far the biggest users of slavery.
Absolutely fantastic coverage of a sensitive subject. Well done.
This is very informative. Honestly, Qatar 2022 eventually brought up something that shouldn't become a topic, but it did anyway. And it's fair to acknowledge the cruel past to unveil the truth and learn to accept themselves.
@@sirwinstonchurchill2052 People.
What an interesting and underrated kind of articles, great content go on
It's nice to see that the TIFO comments section is very civil and reasonable. Any other football platform, people will call TIFO snowflakes for even discussing this.
I think they are. You can think they are in a civilised, non rude way.
Adding plaques, as mentioned in the video, is a civilised way of treating the street names. Riots and pulling down statues is uncivilised.
@@danielwebb8402 no meaningful change was ever created through what you consider “civilised” action
@@Manivilization
Assuming "3 of the 7625 protests were valid the past century. Therefore I get to assume my one. The 7626th. Is the 4th valid one" is very arrogant and just poor maths.
Because the telling of this story was level headed & just told us the facts.
Wasn't expecting this first thing this morning, but a nice piece, presented appropriately. Hopefully Everton come up with a suitable approach.
Everton have stated they'll commemorate the name of the dock in some form, hence the name change to Everton Stadium Project'. It won't be whitewashed. It isn't Everton's style.
Shame the reporter responsible didn't ask the club to comment. Hack piece at best.
@@markc2767 It's a bit of history that non-fans may not have known about, so I think 'hack piece' is a little harsh. They didn't disparage Everton in any way just by highlighting the history of the stadium location.
@@KindredBrujah Maybe not now, but the original title of 'The Bleak History of Everton's New Stadium' would suggest an agenda. I originally clicked on it, thinking it'd be about the litany of failed stadium proposals from Peter Johnson's Kirkby Golf Course idea to Walton Hall Park, with Kings Dock and Destination Kirkby in between. Instead we have an article about an 18th Century mayor with some shady dealings, who the plot of land Everton are building on is named after..
great video as always
OMFG, I just can't here for footie chat. Wow, amazing vid and incredible accompanying article. 😭
Good historic research, great synthesis and presentation of info. One of your best videos guys
@@sirwinstonchurchill2052 probably, but don't you think any chance to learn some history for the average fan is a good thing? Those little pieces of research is what set Tifo apart from the rest from the get go
@@sirwinstonchurchill2052 I think I can see what you're saying and I agree with most of your points. The simple question is, can it be avoided when a football club chooses that name for their stadium? Is it better to not know anything about it- simply calling it?
You are completely right that history is potentially here for anyone who wants to learn it, but we live in a world where that simply doesn't happen. For even the few that will learn a bit and then check some more, it is worth it.
As for certain agendas, I'm not entirely sure what agenda Tifo represents, but I don't think someone's political views will change drastically from this video. Most people don't even have close to concrete opinions, and without being challenged by a bit of knowledge, they won't have any chance of thinking- they'll simply consume.
Can you do a documentary on the San Marino national football team (football's biggest underdogs) and their never-ending struggle in international football. Loving the content ❤
Why do we need to learn about a micronation unsurprisingly struggling every time?? 🤔
@@aidygooner you're a moron
@@aidygooner I mean we recently had a whole video dedicated to footballers getting a good night's sleep. A video about San Marino, their constant struggles, the players that play for the nation (record appearances and goalscorer), their famous first point in a draw against Turkey in 93, and their win against Liechtenstein in 2004 would all make for an interesting short video essay. They're essentialy the biggest underdog in world football, and everyone loves an underdog story.
@@aidygooner It's a microstate not a micronation
Very well handled Tifo, such a sensitive subject and it was delivered with respect
The amount of people who watch a video like this and immediately get defensive is staggering. It’s literally just a history piece to inform people of something that once happened.
That has absolutely nothing to do with football
Let's look at the history then Africans sold the slaves to the European have you said anything about that no its the big bad white man thats all you ever get told
@@_Super_Hans_ it became to do with football when Everton decided to build a stadium there.
Phenomenal video. Very elegantly put together.
Garbage more like
This is fantastic. Thank you.
Excellent video
Nice to see the old tifo/umaxit kind of video here again🙂👍. We need these much later on when World Cup starts to find something else after everybody talks about world cup only
bit embarrassing that people are genuinely outraged by this. need to grow up.
I enjoyed the video it's very interesting and I have Read the article and cancelled my subscription as what John Bramley-moor did has no link to Everton football club something this article ignores even making Everton out to be a racist club
The sad history of many big cities in the UK, especially on the west coast, Glasgow and Bristol much the same.
As an Everton fan, I hope this appropriately handled.
Every big city in the world over 200 years old was involved in slavery in one form or another.
Ahistorical nonsense, I guess the blueprints for Stephensons rocket were found in Ghana and the blast furnace in South Africa. Bristol having 95 percent of Europes zinc played no part or Cornish tin or the skills of Glaswegian dockers and ship builders. The multiple ports along the coastline the temperate climate. Why does no one asks why Africa was so vulnerable, why did it not have it's own navy?
What a beautiful video. As an Indian watching from Europe, this information would have never crossed my life if not for Tifo. Amazing stuff. I feel for those slaves.
mumbaikar?
@@praddumnvats6759 Pune😂
Great video to comment on sports washing without sounding too preachy.
Some consider names irrelevant, but I think it's essential to properly name any component of infrastructure anywhere around the world whether they had colonial past or current conditions of autocratic and single tribe rule.
Saying this is something from a long forgotten past doesn't mean it should be left as it is, and this excuse should make it less of a problem to change the names anyway.
People point to the Middle East for sportswashing but refuse to condemn virtually every major US sport for being historically and institutionally racist, or that virtually every English,Scottish,Welsh and certainly Irish team have roots in slavery, bigotry, parochialism, bolshevism and the class system.
The FA , the Premier League, the EFL are representation of British society as a whole, and people keep sneering at the Middle East and China for sportswashing
This isn't about sportswashing
Quality football content
What song is that playing in the background?
Lived in Liverpool me whole life and had no idea, I'm truly richer after watching this video
If is that controversial then change the name of the stadium. It's not rocket science is it?
Theyll sell the naming rights? Pretty sure it was gonna be usm branded before that got rubbed off
Why has that dock not been renamed already? Everyone turning a blind eye to it?
Liverpool first to abolish slavery. Hats off to you! A great historic city 👍🏻
BM & BMD’s history needs acknowledging and then we really have to move on. I for one can’t believe either of these names will be included in the eventual naming rights. Right now the club is referring to it as the Everton Stadium so it’s already moving the narrative. Let’s not forget Liverpool losing its heritage status included the new stadium build so the historical status of the site was deemed important despite its connections to BM.
EFC has already done a fantastic job of preserving the structure and the plans for the pump house and some of its infrastructure are well advanced. The museum has done a great job of acknowledging the history and links to slavery and I hope we (EFC), do something on a smaller scale at the old pump house site which is well underway to being fully restored.
I think it is absolutely fitting that the site is being repurposed for a football stadium which is so important to the city and it’s more acceptable history. A stadium for the people at the heart of a regenerated project to bring the entire area back into life for the people. Of course the already rich owners will get richer on the back of it but that is not as important as bringing new history and new life to the area.
Learn the history don't destroy it
Why was this video's title changed from "The bleak history of Everton's new stadium" to "The bleak history of John Bramley-Moore"?
Because it's not really related to Everton's New Stadium? the only thing relating John Bramley-Moore and Everton's Stadium is that the Stadium were built on the Harbour.
Because it’s got fuckall to do with the stadium and everything to do with the name of the Dock.
@@WeebsWithGlasses71 Yeah, I get that - I watched the video - I just wanted to hear from the Athletic themselves.
Be underwater by 2050
Sad but real
Doesn't matter. By 2050 teams will play in different international cities of their owners' choosing every week, and games will be realistic AI simulations where no injuries ever occur. The only downside will be the 50 different microtransactions you need to get the full matchday experience and the 48349021 personalized gambling ads that are shoved into your face at every break in play,
A very valid point.
@@stevendchu I cannot see the fans of the future paying to see AI
players playing every other week .
Respectfully of course.
@@stevendchu I really hope you're wrong, but each time I go to a football ground now, all that's bellowed out at half time is a Sky Bet advert. The Super League was a warning, and nothing has been done to prevent it since.
I look forward to the episode you do about how over the course of 2 decades liverpool fc destroyed a community and neighbourhood, forced people out of their homes and left people destitute so they could build their new stand.
Never head about this. Can you elaborate, or point me to some reading material that outlines this further? Ta
Am I imagining or did they really change the title of this video?
Yep they did
You finally do something about Everton and it’s negative. What a shocker
Most popular: the beginning ❤
It's a name on a dock. What does this have to do with football or the stadium being built today?
Good thing Richarlison left.
Who was the person that went unnamed alongside John Bramley Moore?
I doubt you'll find an Everton fan who doesn't agree that Bramley-Moore's name shouldn't be used or associated with the stadium. I just hope that the sponsor the stadium ends up being named after isn't too garish - otherwise I feel like people will default to calling it Bramley-Moore anyway.
Yes unfortunately the Bramley-Moore Dock Stadium rolls off the tongue a bit too easily and has been informally used to refer to the stadium throughout the whole planning and building process and with an unsuitably garish sponsored name, I fear that the name Bramley-Moore Dock Stadium, despite never being an official name associated with the project, will become the de facto nomenclature for referring to the stadium
Everton Stadium or Mersey Arena maybe?
Here's my £2 to support the Grindr Merseyside Arena
I would NEVER refer to it by HIS name....
It's the 'Everton Dockyard Dump' !!
@@god_ynwa the two immature people are kopites 😴
If they'd had football back then, FIFA would have let Liverpool host the World Cup.
Liverpool is hosting the European Song Contest for Ukraine.
@@johnburns4017 I think they gave up the whole slavery thing a while ago...
The Dock should still be named after him but with a plaque explaining who he was or a monument to anti - slavery so the dark history is remembered and not repeated.
The stadium shouldn't be named after him though as the stadium has nothing to do with the man or the vile actions he allowed. Hopefully they can find a better name.
This isn’t anything to do with football or Everton - as long as they don’t rename their stadium after him of course. You could go back thousands of years and I’m sure bad things have taken place in many areas where stadium have been built.
For what it’s worth I did enjoy learning the history from this video but don’t think it has a place here. I don’t know, maybe it’ll be balanced out with a video on Standard Chartered’s links to the Taliban…
It's being called everton stadium
Was about to subscribe. No thank you I don’t do woke
Love this lazy way of learning important stuff about football
Past is past! move on.
And now Everton FC are paying for John Bramley-Moore's sins........
I’m glad to see Everton is working to find a solution to acknowledge the role slavery played in the fortunes of John Bramley-Moore upon whom the dock where their new stadium is being built is named.
More broadly the wealth and prosperity of places like Liverpool and Glasgow was built on the exploration and suffering of slavery and colonialism. Even more broadly capitalism all the way to the modern day follows that same model where a privileged few get extremely wealthy off the exploitation and subjugation of the many below them.
The very least Everton could do n is acknowledge the dark past of Bramley-Moore that he has tried during his lifetime to whitewash. Without actually celebrating him and what he did (something that naming a dock after him kinda does)
With our joke of a mayor, I'm sure they'll be plaques all over it. It's funny that you mention the Irish, as since they made the biggest contribution to Liverpool, there's no mention in any plaques or any museums to it.
He's just another part of the British establishment. I pay taxes to people who had my ancestors in chains.
This is a great video as well. Very informative.
Very likelysome of your ancestors also owned slaves.
finally a return to the political tifo videos, more of these please
@@sirwinstonchurchill2052
*Daily Mail reader Alert!*
@@johnburns4017 he's just roleplaying dude, no need to bite
Case closed. Find another location!
I mean the stadium isnt named after him is it?
So i cant see how this is a problem for everton
Nothing to do with Everton FC or football. Why wait for a football stadium to be built there before discussing this person?Trying to taint by the most tenuous connection. Now do a video of how Liverpool FC tried to blame others for the Heysal disaster before dragging every other English club down with them. Use the club chairman's actual words.
No, I didn't think so.
One thing I love about Britten is that,
"Yes we did it in the past, and we apologize for it."
No other nation does that.
Uhhh, India is still waiting for that apology. They built their empire leeching off of our wealth for centuries until they were too broke after 2 World Wars to be a global empire
I hope you're being sarcastic because this has literally never happened on an official level.
I'm pretty sure Britain is one of the worst in that sense.
@@arjungovindan1642
Apology for nothing. The British unified India, giving all it has, that they based their country on today.
@@johnburns4017 😂😂😂😂 you’re not worth the effort to argue with
Come on people just change the name and get on with your lives 🤠
Go listen/read to Thomas Sowell. Maybe keep to football cause the edge you had is dulling fast. Tifo...
If you want the full story, pay us money. Couldn't even make the story about British slavers free on their site. Ironic.
Goodistan park full of memeors
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Yous should do a video on why irish people refuse to wear poppys help explain to the poppy brigade why its not even sold in most of ireland
@@johnburns4017 not really britian murdering our people in there homes in our national stadium and burning down entire citys is embrassing to british people to the irish of the time the germans and the british where the same my great grandfather joined the british army and was shunned by his family
@@muttsy13
They were siding with the Germans in a world war. Now go and talk about this in a different vid.
@@johnburns4017 Germany did nothing wrong. Zionist propaganda lead by Winston Churchil in his desire to see Germany not become an economical powerhouse under Adolf.
Thought this would be an interesting video, nope just more dredging up the past to make people who had nothing to do with events 300 years ago feel bad.
Everton's stadium is 53,000 in capacity. Way too small for such a club. The club say it can be expanded to 60,000. The cost would be off the scale to later extend for an extra 7,000, rather than building in the 7,000 at the onset. This is assuming planing permission would be granted to expand the stadium, which would be unlikely in such a confined waterlocked site. The Bramley Moore site is just too small, and its waterlocked location makes it difficult to expand as space is limited for crowd dispersal in panic situations.
Transport provision is poor with the nearest Merseyrail metro station a good 15-20 minutes walk away - a small station that is unable to make a great impact on shifting a 53,000 crowd. The bottom line is that Bramley Moore is a poor site for a stadium.
Everton had the choice of another near dockside location at Garston - yards from Garston Docks. Adjacent to the docks is the substantial Garston gasworks site being vacant and cleared for a long time. It could fit two 60,000 seater stadia, but clearly one 60,000 seater with large exterior concourse with fans facilities for sure. Garston has an old world charm about it.
Garston's transport access is exceptional having many dual carriageways converge on the district. About 500 yards from the site is the the 6-platform Liverpool South Parkway station linked by dual carriageway Horrocks Ave. Horrocks Ave would be a _Wembley Way_ to the stadium. South Parkway can shift the fans for sure. Multi-platform Wembley Park station shifts 35,000 per hour as a guide. The new Mersey Gateway bridge is not far from the site with road access to the M56 and M62 easy. The site even has an airport next door. How good do you want it! If it easy to get to with top facilities, then fans will come. The amazingly successful Emirates stadium has proven that, being surrounded by 27 mass transit platforms. The city of Liverpool has a mass-transit metro, yet the mayor and Everton F.C. ignored it. Unbelievable.
The mayor Liverpool at the time, Joe Anderson, pushed Bramley Moore onto the new Everton owner, an Iranian, Fahad Moshiri. The inarticulate Anderson was arrested on corruption charges. Farhad does not have the historic feeling for the city being persuaded that Bramley Moore Dock was the site for Everton F.C., and that the council would pull out all stops to get through planning permissions - they even offered financial assistance. A true Liverpolitan with a feeling for the city's history probably would have thought differently.
Large parts of historic Liverpool were recognised as a World Heritage Site by the UN (UNESCO). Bramley Moore Dock was inside the World Heritage zone. Because of the distain shown by the city towards the historic sites, under Anderson's stewardship, Liverpool was stripped of World Heritage Status, with UNESCO actually mentioning the construction of the out of place stadium. The largest stripping of the status by UNESCO - ever. A whole city stripped. A true embarrassment to the city and the UK. Saying that, British prime minister Boris Johnson could have stepped in to rescue the embarrassing situation but did nothing.
Everton could have had all it wanted at Garston and the city retaining its World Heritage Status. A win, win. But both lost out big time.
The docks sat derelict for decades. The projected increase of both jobs and tourism to the north of Liverpool is well worth the loss of a status which has little to no effect on tourism in this great city. Nobody came to visit the dock before now, the dock walls and the hydraulic tower are being restored I don’t see what the issue is as it benefits everyone.
@@Ryxn97
Read what I wrote. The Garston site was perfect for a stadium. The city should have directed Everton to the site. Everton should have had the sense to see the site was for them and went for it. If the dumb US owners of Liverpool had sense, they would have gone for the Garston site rather than spend a fortune on updating inadequate Anfield.
Interesting points you make but, a bit late now.
@@johncregg1159
I made them way before.
@@johnburns4017 It must be very frustrating for yourself. Fair play to you for pointing this out though.
Just change the stadium name please. Can't have his name broadcasted around the world with pride!
New Goodison?
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Something that struck me when I was watching HITC Sevens latest piece on Qatar (The WC) - Most of the western countries have a pretty murky past with Slaves and who built up those countries? Its the same thing in different variations, but because we did it first its okay?
I don't think there's any argument that it's 'OK' for us to have done it. Our ancestors made these mistakes and we live with the consequences - both good and bad. Thanks to that, we should know better now to not support countries and regimes that are doing the same. We should learn from our history and do our best to ensure it's not repeated.
@@420meezle I agree. I'm just saying it feels somewhat hypocritical to call out countries doing the same thing we did just a couple hundred years apart.
Not saying it's ok, it's a mistake of the past and we have to learn from it. It'd be weird to make a hyopcrisy argument when you're talking about nations, who's heads of states are generations apart from the people who did such things.
@@ThemboNoodle you could say the same about the people in Eastern countries doing it now? My real question here is why is it OK for us/our generation to benefit and let's be honest for the most part not address our past (we still have a monarchy for example) but tell other countries not to do it?
@@WGK90 But they're not in the past, it's a mistake they're making now, that we have the ability to call out to help actual people suffering now. And in cases like this it's more individuals calling out Qatar, who probably also have complaints about the monarchy. A person isn't morally responsible for the country they were born in, even if they benefit from its stature, cause they had no choice in that.
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The Ev.
Whilst I get a lot of this with statues, and have had to take a piece of land available to them, and to be fair in many cities. The lack of building land is a much bigger issue in modern times than what went on 150 years ago.
Well at least this stadium wasn’t built by modern day slaves
Wipe out history that’s a good idea. Could these journalists get any more woke
Wow. That's unfortunate for the city. Hopefully Liverpool and Everton fans, and fans and inhabitants of the city aren't abuse for this. Now I kind of feel sorry for them.
your tory bias is showing again, tifo
For god's sake give it a rest
Then we need to rename everything by this logic…..
People weren’t perfect then and aren’t perfect now
Always having to dig things up to make a story
Seriously, who cares 😂. The world has moved on.
For balance, can we have Liverpool Fc forcibly evicting nearby residents to help Anfield expansion and their furloughing of staff
If you have a problem with this video or feel offended, you are the problem.
Why?
@@_Super_Hans_ Because, if you have a problem with this video or feel offended, you are the problem.
Eternal victims
why?
Do you know that slavery continues to this day in Africa and the Middle East, Britain was the first country to outlaw slavery which especially the Africans complained bitterly….
Do you know most of global wealth is in the hands of a minority of nations by global population who exploit resources of those countries
Which Africans were complaining, exactly? The millions dispossessed of their homes and shipped to other countries to work under threat of death with no pay? I reckon not.
no it wasn't the first country to outlaw slavery
@@matthewbanton7077 Yes, Denmark and Haiti... but Britain was arguably the first country to try to force other countries to stop slavery.
Have the African ancestors of those that sold the slaves to the Europeans been shamed fir reparations? If not those asking for European and US ancestors to do so are blatantly racist.
I was here first 😤 0:16
Should we rename Liverpool! This narrative has got to come to an end at sometime. People are dredging up (excuse the pun) whatever they can find to keep it going
So what!!...slavery was part of history..get over it ffs...
Cope harder bongos
Bro literally who cares, it's a football stadium my dude
Who cares that this man once owned the place their new stadium is, what does it have to do with us now? We were the first to end slavery while it’s still being practiced today in Africa and the Middle East
It's more that the site bears his name.
umm, no we weren't
"Sure, we facilitated the entire global trade in slaves. But then we stopped. So we're actually the good guys when you look at it like that."
I didn’t hear Everton fans mentioning this while they were chanting insults Newcastle fans about their owners 🤫
Why would they?
not really anything to do with Everton or anything Everton has done.....imagine if we all were held responsible for the person who owned the land we live on 200 years ago
At no point does the video suggest this.
@@mkvi_minis9036 well it does