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So, Piaggio P180 Avanti 1 - 2 - Evo. It's actually one of the best in the class or perhaps the best Turbotrop/Private jet out there. With its distinct design that not all would be pleased. But this was all engineered & made for a purpose. Especially the engine, the sound of the turbine & the backwards propellers. I can't wait for the next evolution of this plane. I hope they would make it more roomy, longer & technically sophisticated in their next model. No wonder, Aprilia RS-Gp prototype they use in #MotoGP share its design. This was the one they have got their inspiration. It's all about branding. Eventhough the rest of the competition have move onto different design, Aprilia kept this one until today. 👏
I live on a busy arrival corridor to Louisville,KY. There is a Piaggio that comes across occasionally. They definitely have a sound of their own and look fast.
The Vespa scooter engine was a direct derivative of the auxiliary motor mounted in the heavy Piaggio bomber of WWII and used to start the main airplane's engines.
I live in the same city as where the p180 used to be built, before the plant was transferred on a smaller airport 90km west. Sometimes they still test the planes in the skies here (at 14:11 you can see our city airport), every time I hear the roar I feel like I have to seek for that plane in the sky. Pretty amazing plane, I once saw one made a full tight loop at an airshow
I live close to the St. Pete-Clearwater Airport where a fractional ownership aircraft company, Avantair, operated until 2012 when it was shutdown for poor maintenance. They had a fleet of 60 Piaggio Avanti aircraft. They were very noisy and sounded like a swarm of gnats. I just wanted to swat them all.
You fail to mention the MOST SIGNIFICANT THING about the Piaggio - the Canard wing format means that if the aircraft EVER stalls, the nose simply drops and the plane goes into a dive and airspeed increases. In aircraft with conventional wing layout, a stall means massive loss of airspeed and a most probably lethal spin. But with all your blather about cabin width and upholstery I guess this potentially lifesaving and significant SAFETY FEATURE doesn't merit a mention...
Bullshit. A conventional wing, when stalling, allows the nose to drop since cg is always ahead of center of lift. In the Atala the center of lift moves back in the wing and generales the pitch down rotario. In a canard layout you need to deliberately design the canard to stall before the main wing. In both cases you get a nose drop. So no added safety. Both are viable and equivalente of properly designed
@@PedroPaisPP Bullshit yourself - a canard wing is designed to stall BEFORE the main wing stalls, causing the nose to drop. This is one of the main reasons that most high performance aircraft and many fighter jets have the canard configuration. Quote from Aerocorner: Canard designs are sometimes advertised as “stall proof.” This means that it is tough to stall a well-designed canard design. If airspeed slowed down excessively, the canard would stall first. The nose would drop, airspeed would build back up, and the aircraft would recover.
Aircraft with canards usually have specific reasons for them. It’s true that a canard design allows for lower induced drag since for conventional designs, the tail plane generates downwards lift. Other than that differences are marginal. And there are disadvantages. It’s much harder to design and size optimal canards. It’s difficult to implement canards in low speed airplanes, etc. There’s a reason they are not the usual design choice
Remove the canard from the thumbnail and the front of the plane looks like one of the characters in Mad Magazine’s “Spy vs. Spy.” That’s just where my mind went when I saw it.
Seems an interesting configuration, but why does it need so many different horizontal airfoils? In particular the horizontal fins on the top of the tail must add significant cost, weight and drag when on the face of it pitch control could be provided by the forward wings. And on top of this redundancy there are also the dorsal fins at the back of the fuselage which seem to be angled to give further pitch stability as well as contributing to yaw stability.
What is with the same negative messages from different names here? Bots or 'sponsored' influencers - anyone ? Seems they work hard, at saying the same questionable statements again and then again. Must be tiring for the poor dears. What was that line about honesty not requiring repetition? Thanks 4 reading, have a great day! Yes, even the bots.
Yes, well, @theassc9, I was being tongue-in-cheek. I've been a right-seater in the 350 with six pax and luggage...WAY more than the typo in the video. 🤣
AI generated video doesn't mention that Piaggio aircraft division is being sold or shut down, and the fleet is very small so service and support are huge issues. The plane also suffers from the scandal at Avantair and now potentially at Aerovanti. Video also is very wrong about range. In the real world, the P180 quickly loses range when loaded and with a pilot and 4 passengers is really only a 750 nm range airplane (newer Evo is better). It is a very fast, efficient and comfortable plane if it meets your mission profile.
The biggest problems have always been to get spare parts... It's nice in theory, but in reality it can be a pita to love with. All that speed has no use if the damn plane is grounded for repairs, and spare parts take months to get...
i have no problem at all with the range! even with 9 person absolut no issue! where you have this info? from a YT profi? and i mean that's why he is so popular?
Referencing back and forth between Models could easily confuse interested parties. Perhaps give a complete breakdown of each model on a different video. I'm interested in the Avanti Evo 3, and will be able to place an order in the next year of so. I know there's going to be lead time, but I'm able to wait. Also, what is the Vso speed.
Not to mention several other mispronunciations! Or maybe the line where it tells us that the engines are driven by the propellors! Huh? for some reason, I always believed that the ENGINES drive the PROPELLORS 🤣!
So popular? Might want to tell Piaggio. There’s fewer than 300 produced in 34 years in production. Popular would be the PC12 with over 2000 produced in less time, 30 years since its 1994 introduction and 100/yr produced and sold annually. As turboprop twins, there were over 1000 MU2’s produced in its 16 year production run. Various Beechcraft KingAirs of various types exceeds 5000 units at this point. Between acquisition and hourly operating costs, speed and payload capacity, the P180 was always a very niche offering
Estas cosas que hacen los italianos, son solo diseño, pero no se preocupan de hacer algo bueno, que realmente funcione, este aparato Piaggio es solo fachada, nada mas !!!
Cool looking airplane, seems to have the bells, whistles, performance and capabilities but the reality it's a commercial flop!! Why didn't King Air, Cessna or one of the more established aviation companies swoop up this so called magnificent plane and bank on the opportunity of all its aeronautical and technological advance?
Wouldnt get one. It seems like the company is kind of shaky. Plus I hear parts are behind and lots of waiting involved. LOVE it otherwise. This is the pusher Beechcraft SHOULD have made.
Why do all these videos use computer generated voices? There are thousands of real human beings, trying to break into voice over work, that would like a chance to show what they can do.
Better visibility for the pilots, too. But Beech was able to start selling earlier King Airs to the military branches decades ago, so they had a huge market, which gave name recognition. Beech was able to provide civilian service centers everywhere, which is another selling point. Fewer service centers for the Avanti scares some potential customers away. But yes, the Avanti is bigger, quieter, faster, more fuel efficient, and likely has better one-engine inoperative handling characteristics.
Thanks for the sales pitch Dwayne but while the Piaggio Avanti looks amazing and futuristic and may or may not be popular, it amuses me to see it sold by Piaggio as an "Eco friendly" aircraft. I can tell you as a resident of an area which sees lots of business and executive aircraft, these things are far and away the NOISIEST aircraft that visits our airport. Yes it looks great but many times I've had my peace and quiet disturbed by these things that sound like a mosquito on steroids. Its noise footprint massively exceeds anything else that visits our local airport. I quite happily live with G3,4 and 5s, all the Citations, King Airs, 125s, Challengers, Learjets, PIlatus types, Falcons and even Hercules and C-17s and anything else that flies in, but these blasted things make me wish I had a giant Flit Gun! "Eco friendly"? Give me a break!! Is the "Evo" any quieter?
The first version of Avanti was equipped with counter-rotating propellers that where very noisy. Maybe you witnessed those models. At this time I can't say this is noiser than other comparable aircrafts
Lots of info. Your scripts need to be proofread. “Cabin volume of 375 square feet.” And you could get a native English speaker to listen before you post: pee-tote and skim-itar. Unless the British say that.
As somebody who lives close to schiphol airport i can tell you they make more noise than an airbus 380, don't know if it is the prop blades or the turbine but it is horrible 🤕
It’s a beautiful aircraft, but boy is it noisy. First heard it at London City Airport, far to noisy for city airports. Not to interested in the passengers comfort.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I would beg to differ on your assessment of the airplane's looks,I think it is one of the best looking airplanes that has ever been made.Each to their own hey!🛩️🇦🇺
I think the thing about the canard is on landing one basically flies straight down a glide path but the canard goes into ground effect so the pilot need not worry about landing flair as the plane does it. First time in cockpit this can be disconcerting… particularly at maximum sink rate allowed. The other aspects of the canard is to direct airflow and smooth turbulence to the tail surface, and reduce drag as the lifting load is shared between the canard about 28% positive the aircraft body positive, the main wing positive, and strangely the tail which has positive lift. The numbers are something like, if I remember correctly for level Flight at full maximum cruise … I think this is at 31,000 feet … canard to tail 12% - 30% - 30% - 12%. This allows the main wing lifting area reduction of 34%, and the wing is a special design developed at Ohio State University over 10 year with a 50% laminar flow leading edge back rather than a typical 20%. Now best fuel consumption is at high altitude of 39,000 to 41,000 ft, but the KTAS is lower dropping to 330 KTAS at 41k feet. Maximum operating radius unrefueled is about 750 nautical miles worse case at max pwr and load at 398KTAS but the maximum certified range is at least double that and a little over 1793 nautical miles for Avanti 2 at VFR 39,000 ft. and around 356 KTAS and maximum power. This drops at IFR due to regulatory requirements to 1456 KM to 1509 KM. Note the engines are rated flat at 850 hp sea level to 41,000 feet. One of the interesting things is this has a very perfect exterior surfaces as it is constructed outside - in using special skin vacuum jigs. And, the airframe is incredibly tough. The low fuel crash over Greenland in a extremely rough ice field with jagged ice surface of 2 meters height the fuselage stuck a 1 meter high obstruction on impact survived absolutely intact clear to the very far back ( behind the lavatory ) rear structural bulkhead at the wing attachment with almost no exterior dents and fully intact passenger compartment… the main door was operable but block partly by Titian… this was a high speed crash at over 200 knots as that was the lowest speed over the suggested maneuvering speed MTOW 199 KIAS at time of impact. Everyone survived with minimal or no injury… the Danish Coastal patrol was at the crash site within a little over two hours by military helicopter and vey excellent post crash photos where able to be made for the investigation. Few if any military fighter aircraft would survive in so perfect structural shape in similar conditions, and they have far greater structural design limits. Icing was not involved as the Piaggio has about the best anti-ice system of any private plane. Recovery was not undertaken due to distances and limits of equipment. Full crash report www.baaa-acro.com/sites/default/files/2021-07/N108GF.pdf and link with overview with crash photos www.baaa-acro.com/crash/crash-piaggio-p180-avanti-near-kangerlussuaq
I examined the photos you linked us too, amazing considering the claimed speed of 200 Knots..(240mph?) that's moving! and the extreme hostility of the landing surface. impressive.
@@sardcanada2640 As I remember the minimum maneuvering speed is 120 KIAS so you have 80 knot window when you are taking off or landing… the higher speed would help with punching through the rough ice surface terrain and cleanly removing appendages like wings and landing gear with less risk of tumble or cartwheel in the crash. A clean tough fuselage is about as good as it gets during a crash. Tumbling and cartwheel subject the occupant(s) to high injury producing g-loads whereas rolling has less injury producing g-loads to occupant(s). He had little fire risk running on empty tanks and loosing propulsion due yo running out of fuel pressure, along with environment of rough ice and snow. My opinion is when the ATC limited him in a transoceanic crossing he should have declared emergency as to fuel at least. Though he had plenty of fuel margin…. Too much unexpected risk at low elevation in the arctic transoceanic flying… and too little time to thinkOn trans oceanic flights basically ATC is blind as to have traffic on radar so they default to large separation particularly in elevation. The Piaggio makes its best fuel consumption very high 39,000 to 41,000 ft. but to be limited to 20,000 ft by ATC … they made the first mistake leading to the crash… then as usual it became a chain of dumb mistakes. The idea of carry ferry tanks for extra fuel inside the passenger compartment is totally sketchy in my opinion … go with the certified set up and operation is always best, and work your flight plan and operation around that.
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So, Piaggio P180 Avanti 1 - 2 - Evo. It's actually one of the best in the class or perhaps the best Turbotrop/Private jet out there. With its distinct design that not all would be pleased. But this was all engineered & made for a purpose. Especially the engine, the sound of the turbine & the backwards propellers. I can't wait for the next evolution of this plane. I hope they would make it more roomy, longer & technically sophisticated in their next model.
No wonder, Aprilia RS-Gp prototype they use in #MotoGP share its design. This was the one they have got their inspiration. It's all about branding. Eventhough the rest of the competition have move onto different design, Aprilia kept this one until today. 👏
I live on a busy arrival corridor to Louisville,KY. There is a Piaggio that comes across occasionally. They definitely have a sound of their own and look fast.
The Vespa scooter engine was a direct derivative of the auxiliary motor mounted in the heavy Piaggio bomber of WWII and used to start the main airplane's engines.
I live in the same city as where the p180 used to be built, before the plant was transferred on a smaller airport 90km west. Sometimes they still test the planes in the skies here (at 14:11 you can see our city airport), every time I hear the roar I feel like I have to seek for that plane in the sky. Pretty amazing plane, I once saw one made a full tight loop at an airshow
There's a P-180 that flies out of KMSP every once in a while. You can definitely tell when it's flying over.
I live fairly close to Amsterdam Schiphol Airport, and occasionally one flies over my house. I always notice the sound, which is very distinctive.
What a beautiful little jet,i want one.
not a jet
A guy I knew (he passed away recently) had a Piaggio. What a gorgeous aircraft.
Did he by chance live in Wisconsin?
@@deekamikaze No sir, far western Chicago suburbs.
@8:48, The EVO deserves up-to-date avionics. The Collins won’t cut it any more. Garmin G3000 is perfect for this modern looking plane.
Interior VOLUME can not be in SQUARE FEET. Area is in SQUARE feet, volume is in CUBIC feet.
12:48 They know.
4:29 The AI voiceover probably just misread the script. The captions showed ³ for "cubic".
ah yes the beautiful avanti, one of the best turboprops out there
the unconventional design of the 30's combined with modern technology and materials! love it!
how come the plane can fly with very narrow wing. Does the canard help with lift ?
I live close to the St. Pete-Clearwater Airport where a fractional ownership aircraft company, Avantair, operated until 2012 when it was shutdown for poor maintenance. They had a fleet of 60 Piaggio Avanti aircraft. They were very noisy and sounded like a swarm of gnats. I just wanted to swat them all.
Is there something for sale?
The previous model I guess but the latest which is the EVO has changed that. After people usually talked about it.
I see a P180 quite ofter at Glasgow Airport. Very distinctive. Looks like a flying egg.
looks like a great MS flight sim addon.
You fail to mention the MOST SIGNIFICANT THING about the Piaggio - the Canard wing format means that if the aircraft EVER stalls, the nose simply drops and the plane goes into a dive and airspeed increases. In aircraft with conventional wing layout, a stall means massive loss of airspeed and a most probably lethal spin. But with all your blather about cabin width and upholstery I guess this potentially lifesaving and significant SAFETY FEATURE doesn't merit a mention...
Bullshit. A conventional wing, when stalling, allows the nose to drop since cg is always ahead of center of lift. In the Atala the center of lift moves back in the wing and generales the pitch down rotario. In a canard layout you need to deliberately design the canard to stall before the main wing. In both cases you get a nose drop. So no added safety. Both are viable and equivalente of properly designed
@@PedroPaisPP Bullshit yourself - a canard wing is designed to stall BEFORE the main wing stalls, causing the nose to drop. This is one of the main reasons that most high performance aircraft and many fighter jets have the canard configuration. Quote from Aerocorner: Canard designs are sometimes advertised as “stall proof.” This means that it is tough to stall a well-designed canard design. If airspeed slowed down excessively, the canard would stall first. The nose would drop, airspeed would build back up, and the aircraft would recover.
If canard were so great all airplanes would have them.
@@mitseraffej5812 not necessarily. But go to Wikipedia list of canard aircraft
Aircraft with canards usually have specific reasons for them. It’s true that a canard design allows for lower induced drag since for conventional designs, the tail plane generates downwards lift. Other than that differences are marginal. And there are disadvantages. It’s much harder to design and size optimal canards. It’s difficult to implement canards in low speed airplanes, etc.
There’s a reason they are not the usual design choice
My Favorite Big Aircraft. Or should l say Medium Size. Trully a Work of Art & Genius Design. Only downfall is not enough travel distance
There is a regular that flies over my house. Its beautiful.
Remove the canard from the thumbnail and the front of the plane looks like one of the characters in Mad Magazine’s “Spy vs. Spy.” That’s just where my mind went when I saw it.
Seems an interesting configuration, but why does it need so many different horizontal airfoils? In particular the horizontal fins on the top of the tail must add significant cost, weight and drag when on the face of it pitch control could be provided by the forward wings. And on top of this redundancy there are also the dorsal fins at the back of the fuselage which seem to be angled to give further pitch stability as well as contributing to yaw stability.
What is with the same negative messages from different names here? Bots or 'sponsored' influencers - anyone ?
Seems they work hard, at saying the same questionable statements again and then again. Must be tiring for the poor dears. What was that line about honesty not requiring repetition?
Thanks 4 reading, have a great day!
Yes, even the bots.
very nice airplane 😊
Another beautiful turboprop
Does anyone know if Piaggio is still building these airplanes?
Uh, the King Air 350 only has a payload of 115 lbs? So you’re saying that the plane can only carry one supermodel? LOL
That’s false! It has a much higher payload! Much longer range and flexibility.
Yes, well, @theassc9, I was being tongue-in-cheek. I've been a right-seater in the 350 with six pax and luggage...WAY more than the typo in the video. 🤣
@@Naija4K I know. I was being facetious. I have co-piloted the 350. Awesome aircraft.
I saw one over western Ohio a few weeks ago
I love these airplanes!
AI generated video doesn't mention that Piaggio aircraft division is being sold or shut down, and the fleet is very small so service and support are huge issues. The plane also suffers from the scandal at Avantair and now potentially at Aerovanti. Video also is very wrong about range. In the real world, the P180 quickly loses range when loaded and with a pilot and 4 passengers is really only a 750 nm range airplane (newer Evo is better). It is a very fast, efficient and comfortable plane if it meets your mission profile.
Better of getting a PC12ng. Better range load and landing take off data. Speed us all this thing has.
That is exactly what I was thinking of..... 😮😮😮😮
Exactly
The biggest problems have always been to get spare parts... It's nice in theory, but in reality it can be a pita to love with. All that speed has no use if the damn plane is grounded for repairs, and spare parts take months to get...
i have no problem at all with the range! even with 9 person absolut no issue! where you have this info? from a YT profi? and i mean that's why he is so popular?
what a beauty!
Convert the external luggage storage area to fuel tanks and you will have longer range.
Referencing back and forth between Models could easily confuse interested parties. Perhaps give a complete breakdown of each model on a different video. I'm interested in the Avanti Evo 3, and will be able to place an order in the next year of so. I know there's going to be lead time, but I'm able to wait. Also, what is the Vso speed.
just wish they would update the avionics and add autothrottles and whatnot to it...bring it up to time...other than that its cool and fast...
well done!!
Where's the sound clips !?!?!??
Still no external service of the lav?
Beauty plane. I how 1 day you made large airplane. Bravo
I think there's a robot talking because it obviously never been to Italy. The way it pronounced the Italian city name of Genoa for example.
with Ai you never know.
Not to mention several other mispronunciations! Or maybe the line where it tells us that the engines are driven by the propellors! Huh? for some reason, I always believed that the ENGINES drive the PROPELLORS 🤣!
So popular? Might want to tell Piaggio. There’s fewer than 300 produced in 34 years in production.
Popular would be the PC12 with over 2000 produced in less time, 30 years since its 1994 introduction and 100/yr produced and sold annually. As turboprop twins, there were over 1000 MU2’s produced in its 16 year production run. Various Beechcraft KingAirs of various types exceeds 5000 units at this point.
Between acquisition and hourly operating costs, speed and payload capacity, the P180 was always a very niche offering
At 13:49 or sop you say 60 is less than 16.
The only problem of the Piaggio P180 in to be very very noisy.
@13:33, KingAir 350iER carry more payload than 115 lbs. That’s an obvious mistake.
The King Air 250, can only carry 115 pounds with full fuel. The 350 can do better but not a whole lot better.
Because like cucut
wonderful video..!!
Weren’t 5hey grounded for a while?
Great airplane to fly in. Terrible one to maintain
Volume square feet???
Looks like the fish a Guitar shark
Estas cosas que hacen los italianos, son solo diseño, pero no se preocupan de hacer algo bueno, que realmente funcione, este aparato Piaggio es solo fachada, nada mas !!!
A “fully private bathroom” !?
WHAT ? 🥴
Just one complaint about this video. The narration is robotic
Cool looking airplane, seems to have the bells, whistles, performance and capabilities but the reality it's a commercial flop!! Why didn't King Air, Cessna or one of the more established aviation companies swoop up this so called magnificent plane and bank on the opportunity of all its aeronautical and technological advance?
Wouldnt get one. It seems like the company is kind of shaky. Plus I hear parts are behind and lots of waiting involved. LOVE it otherwise. This is the pusher Beechcraft SHOULD have made.
Why do all these videos use computer generated voices? There are thousands of real human beings, trying to break into voice over work, that would like a chance to show what they can do.
Wow, it's beautiful.
Thank you for a great presentations. What about prices?
It has been said it's priced about $7. 8 to 8 mil.
This plane is far superior to the kingair 350i, in every way, but the kingair still outsells. I don't understand why.
Better visibility for the pilots, too. But Beech was able to start selling earlier King Airs to the military branches decades ago, so they had a huge market, which gave name recognition. Beech was able to provide civilian service centers everywhere, which is another selling point. Fewer service centers for the Avanti scares some potential customers away. But yes, the Avanti is bigger, quieter, faster, more fuel efficient, and likely has better one-engine inoperative handling characteristics.
@cargopilot747 why would the military use kingairs?
@@lamontmiller1761 VIP Travel.
The range on this aircraft is terrible and parts are hard to get. You are better off buying a King Air 360.
Thanks for the sales pitch Dwayne but while the Piaggio Avanti looks amazing and futuristic and may or may not be popular, it amuses me to see it sold by Piaggio as an "Eco friendly" aircraft. I can tell you as a resident of an area which sees lots of business and executive aircraft, these things are far and away the NOISIEST aircraft that visits our airport. Yes it looks great but many times I've had my peace and quiet disturbed by these things that sound like a mosquito on steroids. Its noise footprint massively exceeds anything else that visits our local airport. I quite happily live with G3,4 and 5s, all the Citations, King Airs, 125s, Challengers, Learjets, PIlatus types, Falcons and even Hercules and C-17s and anything else that flies in, but these blasted things make me wish I had a giant Flit Gun! "Eco friendly"? Give me a break!! Is the "Evo" any quieter?
Sounds like a plane I'd buy lol.
The first version of Avanti was equipped with counter-rotating propellers that where very noisy. Maybe you witnessed those models. At this time I can't say this is noiser than other comparable aircrafts
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@@itafaber not the latest EVO which has been changed after people talked about the noise more often.
Lots of info. Your scripts need to be proofread. “Cabin volume of 375 square feet.” And you could get a native English speaker to listen before you post: pee-tote and skim-itar. Unless the British say that.
Noisiest airplane in the air. You'll hear it coming.
Perhaps can replace with zipline propeller
Agree, very annoying, it’s been banned from some airports.
Italians have always managed to be different in the design world, but they do not have a very successful profile in marketing.
Popular? 7,5 M$.😊
catfish with wings
why would one buy a prop plane over jet?
As somebody who lives close to schiphol airport i can tell you they make more noise than an airbus 380, don't know if it is the prop blades or the turbine but it is horrible 🤕
This is a knock-off of a Burt Rutin, designer of Virgin Galactic space system, design.
Sloooow down and stop bouncing around from interior space to breaks to wings to comfort to lift to fuel to.. Jesus Christ man!
I think all the information and pronunciations in this is wrong on purpose to generate comments.
It’s actually NOT POPULAR! King Airs are ubiquitous compared to this….
It’s a beautiful aircraft, but boy is it noisy. First heard it at London City Airport, far to noisy for city airports. Not to interested in the passengers comfort.
Is exactly the opposite very loud outside but very quiet inside
AI generated explains a lot. Nothing about this content resembles reality 💯
If I were a billionaire, I would only buy a vtol plane.
Ll is great. The engine is too strong. The service bad. But hopefully the Arabic buyer restart with much money the successful ac in future. Be blessed
Its not that popular, its banned from many airports.
The airplane is great on paper but it's just ugly to look at.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I would beg to differ on your assessment of the airplane's looks,I think it is one of the best looking airplanes that has ever been made.Each to their own hey!🛩️🇦🇺
Very bad AI narration
I think the thing about the canard is on landing one basically flies straight down a glide path but the canard goes into ground effect so the pilot need not worry about landing flair as the plane does it. First time in cockpit this can be disconcerting… particularly at maximum sink rate allowed. The other aspects of the canard is to direct airflow and smooth turbulence to the tail surface, and reduce drag as the lifting load is shared between the canard about 28% positive the aircraft body positive, the main wing positive, and strangely the tail which has positive lift. The numbers are something like, if I remember correctly for level Flight at full maximum cruise … I think this is at 31,000 feet … canard to tail 12% - 30% - 30% - 12%. This allows the main wing lifting area reduction of 34%, and the wing is a special design developed at Ohio State University over 10 year with a 50% laminar flow leading edge back rather than a typical 20%. Now best fuel consumption is at high altitude of 39,000 to 41,000 ft, but the KTAS is lower dropping to 330 KTAS at 41k feet. Maximum operating radius unrefueled is about 750 nautical miles worse case at max pwr and load at 398KTAS but the maximum certified range is at least double that and a little over 1793 nautical miles for Avanti 2 at VFR 39,000 ft. and around 356 KTAS and maximum power. This drops at IFR due to regulatory requirements to 1456 KM to 1509 KM. Note the engines are rated flat at 850 hp sea level to 41,000 feet.
One of the interesting things is this has a very perfect exterior surfaces as it is constructed outside - in using special skin vacuum jigs. And, the airframe is incredibly tough. The low fuel crash over Greenland in a extremely rough ice field with jagged ice surface of 2 meters height the fuselage stuck a 1 meter high obstruction on impact survived absolutely intact clear to the very far back ( behind the lavatory ) rear structural bulkhead at the wing attachment with almost no exterior dents and fully intact passenger compartment… the main door was operable but block partly by Titian… this was a high speed crash at over 200 knots as that was the lowest speed over the suggested maneuvering speed MTOW 199 KIAS at time of impact. Everyone survived with minimal or no injury… the Danish Coastal patrol was at the crash site within a little over two hours by military helicopter and vey excellent post crash photos where able to be made for the investigation. Few if any military fighter aircraft would survive in so perfect structural shape in similar conditions, and they have far greater structural design limits. Icing was not involved as the Piaggio has about the best anti-ice system of any private plane. Recovery was not undertaken due to distances and limits of equipment. Full crash report www.baaa-acro.com/sites/default/files/2021-07/N108GF.pdf and link with overview with crash photos www.baaa-acro.com/crash/crash-piaggio-p180-avanti-near-kangerlussuaq
Very good report
I examined the photos you linked us too, amazing considering the claimed speed of 200 Knots..(240mph?) that's moving! and the extreme hostility of the landing surface. impressive.
@@sardcanada2640 As I remember the minimum maneuvering speed is 120 KIAS so you have 80 knot window when you are taking off or landing… the higher speed would help with punching through the rough ice surface terrain and cleanly removing appendages like wings and landing gear with less risk of tumble or cartwheel in the crash. A clean tough fuselage is about as good as it gets during a crash. Tumbling and cartwheel subject the occupant(s) to high injury producing g-loads whereas rolling has less injury producing g-loads to occupant(s). He had little fire risk running on empty tanks and loosing propulsion due yo running out of fuel pressure, along with environment of rough ice and snow. My opinion is when the ATC limited him in a transoceanic crossing he should have declared emergency as to fuel at least. Though he had plenty of fuel margin…. Too much unexpected risk at low elevation in the arctic transoceanic flying… and too little time to thinkOn trans oceanic flights basically ATC is blind as to have traffic on radar so they default to large separation particularly in elevation. The Piaggio makes its best fuel consumption very high 39,000 to 41,000 ft. but to be limited to 20,000 ft by ATC … they made the first mistake leading to the crash… then as usual it became a chain of dumb mistakes. The idea of carry ferry tanks for extra fuel inside the passenger compartment is totally sketchy in my opinion … go with the certified set up and operation is always best, and work your flight plan and operation around that.
Are people confusing Piaggio with Beech Starship? Re:noise? (@officialbrittishtaxpayer5609)
pron. Pjatsho!!!! Non PeeAggEEo