Fun Fact: The real reason the mongols were defeated was because Tsushima was hit by a storm so powerful it wiped out most of the fleet forcing the rest to retreat. And then when the mongols came back for a second invasion they were hit by another typhoon before they could even land on the island. So the storms as well as the skill of the samurai forced the mongols to do something they never did before, give up on conquering a new land.
Not entirely true. During the first invasion the islands of Tsushima and Iki were conquered rather quickly. Then the mongols actually successfully landed in Hakata bay on the mainland. Then what ensued was a number of battles and skirmishes overall known as the battle of bunei. Initially the mongols had the upper hand, confusing the samurai with their intricate formations and use of gunpowder which the Japanese had never seen before. Then when the mongols encamped for the night, the Japanese would start a list of ambushes and counter attacks which would cause heavy casualties on the mongols. Then, the mongols decided that they did not have the resources to conquer Japan if this is what they were opposing, they only had 30,000 men with no proper supply line. Also remember that they were not expecting a professionally trained foe like the Samurai, all they knew about the Japanese is that they were pirates as that is what the Koreans told them. The first invasion was basically an oversized scouting party. Then it is during the return back to Korea that legend says the storms hit. Though we don’t actually know 100% if a storm wrecked their fleet in the first invasion. Then for the second invasion the Regent of the Shogun (the shogun at this point had no power and the real power lied with the regent) Hōjō Tokimune knew the mongols would return. So he built a defensive wall along the shores of hakata bay and its surrounding coastline. He also mobilised a large number of forces to Kyushu (Japan’s southern island) in preparation for another invasion. Then when the second invasion, this time 100,000 strong, came they were well prepared. The mongols were not able to break through the defensive walls, mostly because they were not able to mobilise their famed cavalry off their ships due to the barrages of Japanese arrows and the beach not being stable ground for them. The samurai actually managed to counter attack by boarding small vessels and stealth attacking mongol ships, taking many heads. Eventually, the storm came and wrecked the mongols (this we know happened for sure). Any survivors found along the shore (with exception to the Southern Chinese who were recently conquered by the Mongols and wee instead enslaved by the Japanese) were killed and their heads were collected for rewards. It can be argued if the mongols could have won the second invasion if the typhoon did not hit. I do not think so, they were anyways having trouble breaking through the Japanese walls, and would have suffered heavy casualties. Then even if they did, the Japanese could have just retreated further inland and could have started a scorched earth policy, along with guerrilla tactics against the mongols. The mongols would then be stuck across the ocean, in enemy territory, with no supply line, not being able to live off the land, whilst also being harassed and attacked by a skilled enemy numbering 30-40,000 strong. The mongols mobilised a 3rd army for another invasion of Japan. But, conflicts in south east asia distracted them and japan would not face the mongols again.
Yeah, this cemented the view of the japanese that they were chosen and protected by the gods. These events became known as the kamikaze, the divine winds, and "bringing those divine winds to the enemy" was where the kamikaze-pilots of the second world war got their name from.
@@TheGhost-7002I've heard about these hypothesis too, but the widely accepted theory is related to the typhoons and storms. Do you think it's a historical misconception? Or is it that both factors could've come into play? On an unrelated note, i find it ironic that the Samurai during this time period were anything but what Shimura would've considered honorable. They were much more like Jin
@@addictedtochocolate920 This is not a hypothesis. It’s historical fact, you can watch videos online as well from certain channels such as kings and generals who has great videos on the mongol invasions. The typhoon thing is a popular exaggeration. It was exacerbated by the Imperial Japanese Government who used it as proof of the emperor’s divinity and how the Japanese people are divinely destined to be the master race. You’ll also be surprised to hear that Samurai of any era acted much more like Jin (minus his compassion). Mix the tactics of Jin with the personality and brutality of Kazumasa and you have what a samurai of that era was like. Samurai of any era were brutal, effective and straight to the point. Honour back then meant something very different from what it means now. Honour first and foremost meant loyalty to your Lord (if you weren’t a daimyo). And killing someone in a way that is safer for you (like stabbing them in the back) or using something that gives you a tactical advantage (such as gunpowder) IS NOT DISHONOURABLE. Shimura’s style of ‘honour’ is a very romanticised, and borderline stupid form of honour. For daimyo, to be honourable is more about being forgiving and compassionate (like Jin) now that doesn’t mean letting everyone getting away with everything. If you want an example of an honourable warlord, I recommend looking at the Life of Uesugi Kenshin, he was a brilliant strategist known for his rivalry with Takeda Shingen, being the only person to defeat Oda Nobunaga in battle, never being defeated on an open plain, his faith (he was also a devout Buddhist and remained a virgin his whole life), and his honourable conduct. Also whilst I’m at it I’ll also just make it clear that Ninja (or Shinobi would be the period accurate term, but there are other period accurate and regional terms for ninja) were Samurai, they were not two different warrior classes. Shinobi was one of the many jobs that a Samurai could take. They also were not Assasins (though they would assassinate someone only if there was a 100% chance of them getting away with it) they were rather reconnaissance/scouts/spies. And they did not wear black, they would blend in. Such as dressing up as a peasant, or a monk asking for donations. In fact, Shinobi/spies have been used in Japan loooong before the samurai. The main book that the Samurai would follow in all ages is Sun Tzu’s art of war, which literally has an entire chapter dedicated to the importance of spies.
Well to be fair he is seeing his surogate son and nephew turn into a war crimminal that will be hunted down by the shogun if he continues with the low honour route.
Personally, I've always considered killing the uncle as the better ending. Even though Jin doesn't believe in the "honor" that comes with a warrior's death, his uncle does. Sparing him like that just feels like a slap in the face to everything the uncle believes in, not to mention he will likely be executed and/or shamed by the Shogun for his failure to kill Jin which to the uncle is a fate worse than death. Killing him is also just the more emotionally impactful ending imo. In the end they are both crying and you can clearly see how much they love each other and that this is something neither of them ever wanted. Jin can barely bring himself to do it, and the uncle even takes Jin's arm and pulls the knife in to help him. Then it ends with Jin holding his uncle and just sobbing. Its heartbreaking and beautiful, just like the rest of their story.
I prefer the kill ending as well. The spare ending feels like the ending to a modern hero origin story that sets up the future sequels. The kill ending feels like the end of a really really good standalone movie that has no intentions of becoming a franchise.
My counter argument for why i think it's better to let him live: i care way more about Jin than about lord Shimura. As a player, i don't see Jin as myself; i see him as his own character who i i am responsible for. Meanwhile Shimura lost all my respect when he tried to frame Yuna for the decision he KNEW Jin took of his own volition. The man is somewhat of a hypocrite, as well as a fool in the art of war (all samurais are in this game because it's not historically accurate). While i care not for Shimura, i know Jin does, and i will not have Jin go through the traumatic event of killing his father figure just because the man feels "dishonored". If he's unable to live with such shame, he can commit seppuku instead of dragging my boy once again into his stupid, pointless, rigid rituals.
I feel like it would be in Jin's character that he would spare his uncle/father figure. By the last chapter in his journey, his ideology has completely shifted away from when we first seen of his arc. He's grown to make his own choices more than follow the shogun and his uncle's ways. So in the end, it would make sense of him to sacrifice tradition.
I agree. The kill ending is way better and is the thing he would do. This whole you’re samurai or the ghost argument is kind of dumb with the choice. You can kill the uncle and still be the ghost. Like you said it’s a slap to the face and even though it hurts him more than anything I think he loves him enough to honor his wishes to make him happy.
They missed quite a few cutscenes from the game like the side stories of the other npc characters that went through all 3 acts with you like sensei ishikawa, lady masako etc, the legendary equipment and move set cutscenes, and the other ending to the mainstory but this is definitely a good summary.
Red dead is way too long honestly. That and the fact that the games story is just as much in the gameplay as it is in the cutscenes. Im sure anyone who uploaded the game didn't include gameplay conversations
3:37 No; in real llife feudal Japan, that would make you smart. Many shinobi (ninja) were also samurai who were simply specialized in espionage and sabotage Honor as a concept has changed a lot, and our pop culture perception of Bushido is quite inaccurate.
Glad you finished Ghost of Tsushima! When you get the chance I hope you react to the other opinion for Shimura's fate and "memories of Jin's father" it shows more about what Jin's father was like during the samurai invasion and what his relationship was with his son.
No, some assassins and spies existed in Japan centuries before. Also in the game Yuna herself seems to have been able to kill ennemies in the ninja way before him
The morals of this game are completely wooshing you by. The Samurai system is flawed and the side-missions of this game delve deeper into showing that it isn't a fair or just system like it pretends to be. Ryuzo you also have to remember is a commoner and Jin is a lord. He never had the luxury of "choice" that Jin has and Jin beating him at the tournament when he was young basically made him a vagrant when Jin could have lost, but it is revealed in side missions that "Lord Sakai" could never lose to a "commoner" even if they were friends.
It is VERY interesting that the Shogun was more upset about Jin inspiring people rather than his tactics. The Shogun at that time was basically in a power play to control Japan anyway, so any threat would have to be quashed. And Shimura was so much of a traditionalist that he couldn't step outside his rigid culture to see that Tsushima would have been sacrificed without a thought if it was convenient. The OTHER ending...I felt was more appropriate but that's me. Shimura is dead either way. I felt it was better to give him the death he wanted rather than to be humiliated by the Shogun. HOPEFULLY they react to the other at some point. Fingers crossed.
1:23:02 Yeah, even though it's painful, it's best to kill him because it gives Jin's uncle the respect he wanted. Sparing him actually disrespects his wishes. Its definitely painful, but it honors his last wish! 😔🙏🏽
I believe that Shogun displayed better how a Samurai would actually fight? Ghost of Tsushima and the Last Samurai push the romanticised honourable image waaaay more.
Don't take it to the other extreme; Samurai were resourceful warriors who employed any effective tactic they had available in order to archive victory, just as any other warrior class did. Ambush tactics, guerrilla warfare, assassinations; if you think any of that is "playing dirty", then you do not know history.
@@TheGhost-7002 Shogun takes it to the other extreme and also exaggerates many traditions/cultural differences that aren't as radical or brutal as presented in the show. It is still a good watch, just as GoT and Last Samurai are also good stories crafted with respect for the time period, but inaccuracies are bound to appear for the sake of shock value/artistic liberties
@@addictedtochocolate920 Ghost was a huge homage to the Jidai Geki films and shows. Even has the Kurosawa mode as an homage to the legendary film maker. In reality, Samurai were mercenaries. There is a LOT of play up to the whole 'honor' thing, but they were no more honorable than the medieval Knights. There was a big thing when the code was created, but in reality Samurai were only as honorable as what they could get away with. Which isn't shocking at all. Also, Samurai WERE incredibly dirty combatants and fun fact, their main weapon was the BOW not the sword. Also they were REAL quick to adopt firearms when the opportunity presented itself. There is a lot of great history there though some was obliterated during the Meiji era (such as the scrubbing of history when it came to women's roles within samurai clans and that there WERE a few female Samurai...one specifically because her brother needed someone he could trust and she was the only person he felt could keep up with him in combat). Artistic licence aside, Ghost of Tsushima was a blast to play and watch.
@@addictedtochocolate920 No, but it seems like the person that wrote this says “dont believe Fx’s shogun, because Samurai were dirty fighters” hinting that Shogun shows the samurai as extremely ‘honourable’, with a “hey! Turn around and face me” kind of attitude. But, I feel like Shogun did the opposite of that. Like you said, they in fact made them extremely brutal in the show (which they were). Yes they did exaggerate things in a few areas, (such as the dude killing off his whole family line for just speaking out of turn and insulting Ishido, which is unrealistic) but you have to remember this is also based off a book, so there are certain plot lines which they cannot change, or it is easier to not change. Such as the Hollywood Ninja scene they had in the most recent Episode.
Tip for the future, stop talking over the cut scenes. There's everything else in the game to talk over. Other than that you ladies are killing it! Keep it going! 🎉 🍻
Kristen you overthink things it's just a video game You're overthinking it like it's a movie with multiple plot twists calm down just go along with the ride
What I'm basically saying is she's just overthinking things That's all I'm trying to say so once you got to try to bring out like oh this person is going to turn on this one I'm like stop I kind of laugh a little bit when she does it @@EskChan19
The channel you guys choose to watch didnt show the conclusion of the storylines for the side characters before the final battle. Thats why there was dialogue you didn't quite understand and dont know why some characters are really there. The monk literally is nothing like you first met him
I killed the uncle since thats the ending where they make up and he sees jin as his son again before he dies plus i think killing him is mercy since im sure he would be shamed or killed by the shotgun for failing to kill jin
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Whoever they're watching play has been playing the game backwards. The reason you still have kage is because you were supposed to play that before khan. The Khan is the last of the game the dlc is before that fight.
actually, Jin has a dialogue in the dlc where he tells the eagle that the khan is dead.. hence solidifying the fact that the DLC is after the main story. the horse is also still Kaze in the DLC tho?
@givenofuckz2313 yup, sure is. The dlc takes place before the khan final fight. Your supposed to go thru the main story until act 2 when the dlc is open them you complete that then travel back and finish the main story. Your horse whichever you first name it goes from the main story to the dlc and dies back in the main story
@givenofuckz2313 why the back track with the horse. His original horse was already dead if that's the case he gets his new horse after him and his uncle falling out
@esk8orde606 this is the new horse 🐎 the first one was named "Kage" and the second one "Kaze" but in the end of the main campaign the let's player chose a brown horse but in the iki island dlc it's grey so the uploader just probably recorded the dlc during a different playthrough
Both Jin and Shimura were wrong on how to storm the keep. They should’ve used smoke bombs so thick that it would’ve been like tear gas, either forcing them out into the open or dying from smoke inhalation. The problem is that as they said to each other before their duel, Jin has no honor and Shimura is a slave to it. Neither is willing to bend their morals appropriately.
IMO, the ending where Jin honors Lord Shimura's request for a warrior's death is way better. I never understood people who choose to spare him. After all that happened, why would Jin choose to make it about himself and his loss of status and honor in order to refuse to give his uncle his final wish when Lord Shimura is dead anyway because in all likelihood the Shogun will demand he kill himself for his failure to kill Jin. He didn't save Lord Shimura, just beat him in fight and chose to dishonor him by not giving him a samurai's death, and given that their rift was because Jin broke the samurai code and Shimura would never do that, he basically spit on him and deliberately forced his broken code of honor on Shimura himself. It literally cost Jin nothing to send his uncle off like a samurai given what both of them had already lost. Sure, he may not care about his lost honor or status, but Shimura did care and he knew it. It's a weird narrative choice that decides to prioritize their different philosophies over their actual character and love for each other.
@@BTBSOUNDS At least I said "IMO" and gave reasons why, captain. Not just "Nuh-uh, it's not better and that's canon" like you because you can't explain why it's better and a better thematic fit.
@@jmhaces Because I don't need to. But if you insist, it's cause Jin realises that honor is worthless. "Honor" is what killed the samurai on Komoda, "honor" is what killed the samurai on the bridge at Castle Shimura, "honor" is what turned Jin's only remaining family against him. Keeping Shimura alive isn't "dishonoring" him, it's teaching him a lesson. Him being a slave to his dumbass honor is what would've caused Tsushima to fall if not for Jin. Him dying would've served no purpose other than being yet another thing he can hide behind. Shimura isn't completely honorable, he has shady friends like the pirates of Uzumi Cove. Shimura is a hypocrite saying that Jin is ruled by his emotion and then striking his "son" two sentences later when Jin made a valid point. And most importantly, as Jin says, he has no honor but he will never stoop so low as to kill his own family. Meanwhile Shimura with his "honor" was ready to kill his "son" so that he can go off and start a new family. And of course before doing that, he made sure to make him ride thru his land and past his estate as he tells him that other randoms are gonna be living in the house that's been home to 7 generations of Sakai. Real fuckin honorable of him huh? Shimura is a cunt and deserves to live and be seen as the man that raised the Ghost, the man that has no honor, that taught people to rise up against stupidity and defend themselves when the people that should be defending them choose not to cause "honor".
@@jmhaces Thematically, Jin sparing Lord Shimura is a better fit. The ENTIRE GAME is about Jin learning to not be a slave to honor and do the thing that's best for all, even if it's not honorable. Lord Shimura is a good leader, he still has influence with the Shogun, and knows Tsushima better than any Samurai send by the Shogun. And as he said, he wanted to push the mongols back for as long as he lived. Jin wanted that too so even if they can't do so together, having an ally who is predictable is a good thing for the Ghost. And as much as people like to say so, it's very unlikely that the Shogun would have him killed. I know people think that Samurai were ordered to kill themselves for literally every slip-up, but that's not how that worked. Remember that saving face is extremely important in Japan. The Shogun send an entire army to defend Tsushima from the Mongols, and it would be considered a huge failure on the Shoguns part if it came out that they were useless and Jin practically saved the island on his own. So what is much more likely to happen is that the Shogun will proclaim that Lord Shimura valiantly led the reinforcements from the Shogun to victory against the Mongols, a feat that would bring Lord Shimura and the Shogun a lot of honor and let both of them save face. So Jin killing him would have been "The samurai way", yes, but he would have lost a quasi-ally, would have put a much bigger target on the Ghost (since being a traitor is bad but being a traitor who killed one of the now most famous lords of japan would have ensured a straight up manhunt on the ghost) and it also shows that Jin has grown more human over the course of the game. He would have doubtlessly had no qualms killing Lord Shimura before, but it was his growth, his abandonment of holding onto Samurai ideals for the sake of it and him learning to do what is best for the people regardless of what honor dictates that allows him to make the choice to spare Lord Shimura in the end. Because of that this ending makes much more sense IMO. Jin killing Shimura would have literally undone all of the character growth he has gone through the entire game. And again, it's extremely unlikely that Lord Shimura will carry many negative consequences. He'll probably have to pay a higher tax or get some corporal punishment or put under house arrest for a bit, but he's unlikely to be worse off than he was before the mongols invaded, and much more likely to be in much better standing with the Shogun and all of Japan now.
@@EskChan19 Not really. I already addressed that. Jin may not be a slave to his honor or the samurai code anymore after all that he experienced during the entire game. But he knows for a fact that his uncle doesn't share his views, since that disagreement literally led to them having that duel, and in that ending he deliberately chose to refuse to honor his uncle final wish and opted to make it about himself and his sacrifices. The whole father-son dynamic gets closure in the ending where he kills Shimura, they acknowledge that their bond and love survives the shitshow that's tied to their honor or station, and promise to meet again in the next life. In that ending Jin still doesn't give a fuck about his honor anymore and he walks away to continue being the Ghost, only he does it without pretending to have any moral high ground because he didn't give Shimura a samurai's death by "refusing to kill his own family" though he still beat the shit out of him and caused him to fail the Shogun's mandate, which is not a good look for his uncle regardless of whether the Shogun decides to order Shimura's death after that or not, or even whether his uncle manages to survive the wounds he received in their duel at all. It's fine if you like the ending where he spares him. To me it doesn't make much sense in the context of these two men's specific relationship and the actual events they went through during the game, as well as their backstory. I can acknowledge the points you make and maybe the writers had a different intention when writing that ending and their intention matches your reading of that ending, but as I said, to me it looks like Jin deliberately chose to dishonor his uncle with the excuse that he had no honor himself anymore, and those are two different things. I mean, if Shimura was fine with being dishonored himself for the good of Tsushima, thus being on board with your take of Jin not killing him giving Tsushima a better chance of beating back the Mongol invasion regardless of his failure to kill Jin and whatever fallout could result from that, then he wouldn't have been so against Jin becoming the Ghost in the first place because it was the pragmatic choice. To Shimura the samurai code is more important than simply defeating the Mongols, he always showed it, and Jin choosing to not honor it after their duel was a stain on Shimura's honor and not just Jin's honor. It seemed even kind of petty, since we already knew he had nothing to lose anyway. His titles and lands had been taken away form him by the Shogun, clan Sakai was no more, and his death had been ordered.
Loved your reactions to this game. Your discussion were enjoyable to listen to, insightful and funny. I personally loved playing the DLC more than the main game, both in a narrative and mechanic sense. I also found Tenzo and Fune more likeable than any of Jin's allies on Tsushima (except Yuna and Taka). I especially love the reverse parallel between Tenzo and Ryuzo. Both rogue-ish characters, both with a snappy banter dynamic with Jin. But one was a friend turned enemy who betrayed Jin while the other was an enemy turned friend who stayed loyal to Jin to the end. I'm a little disappointed (for you guys) that the DLC cinematic you watched skipped so much of the side story content that deepens the narrative even more, esp Jin's relationship with both his father and mother. You guys would have appreciated watching Jin find peace in animal sanctuaries, petting animals and remembering lovely moments with his mother. They also skipped most of the points in the island that Jin could stand at and have flashbacks of his father or of the most impactful moments in the main game. Also by skipping the side stories, it's never explained that the people of Iki aren't familiar with the Ghost (because Iki has been isolated) which is why Jin never identifies himself with that title in the DLC. Well, except for one very funny side mission where Kenji takes advantage of no one knowing who the Ghost is so he pretends to be him instead so he can receive sake offerings lmao. Still, I'm glad you guys enjoyed the story and Jin's character so much. One of my favorite games. I hope you both react to more game stories in the future.
Why would you put this edit together, starting all of the side quests and then not finish them and have them part of the movie edit? Sucks those were just dropped.
High key lord shimura has cause to think that it is Yunas fault. She did encourage the behavior and slip into darkness and like a parent , he rather see Jin be saved than the “delinquent” friend getting out instead. But I don’t disagree with the path Jin is taking. I just wouldn’t be against Jin going back to what he knew and turning his back on her cause he was desperate. Jin is used to an easy way of doing things and is harder to go back to a life of discipline and rules.
Regardless, Jin is an adult and a warrior who took the decisions he took to save Tsushima. Framing Yuna for that specific event and getting her killed for Jin's actions? There's no honor in that. Shimura is a slave to a rigid code that would've led to the end of his country and his people.
@@addictedtochocolate920 I agree and disagree. Jin is an adult and warrior but as a samurai he is beholden to a code of honor , a hierarchy and to to uphold his families honor in the system of the Shogunate and to his uncle the Jito. Him being an adult and a warrior has nothing to do with it. This isn’t modern times . Jin’s actions are going to be met with an execution and Lord Shimura doesn’t want that . He let his emotions get in the way and in that moment showed the possible hypocrisy in framing Yuna. BUT Yuna is indeed at fault or her hnds are dirty when it comes to what Jin has become. It’s great writing
@@Kyubii01it isn't modern times NOR ancient times; this game is everything but historically accurate, and a real life Shogun would've been open to any tactic in order to stop the Mongol invasion which was swift and brutal in its first attempt at taking Japan; this fantasy of a feudal system is not a good excuse to explain the decisions and behavior of a character we're supposed to empathize with. Yuna might have encouraged Jin to take this path, but in this specific scenario it was Jin who came up with a plan, and it was Yuna who warned him his uncle would eventually find out; she was aware of the consequences and brought them up to him, then *he* decided to *instruct her* on how to assist him. Lord Shimura is abusing his power in order to protect his nephew, and blaming an Innocent woman without evidence just because she isn't samurai. I would be willing to understand if the man wasn't obsessed with righteousness and "honor" (stupidity, basically), because then he comes off as a hypocrite who doesn't care about the lives of those under the Bushi class. It is also worth noting that without Yuna's teachings and intervention, both Jin and Shimura would be dead.
@@Kyubii01 Firstly: This isn't modern times nor ANY time; this game is a terrible representation of what Japan was during the time period in which it takes place, and what the Shogun/Samurai would've actually done against the Mongol invasion; that fantasy of a code is not adequate enough to draw comparisons between today's world and feudal Japan in order to justify Shimura's mistakes. Secondly: Yuna warned Jin telling him his uncle would find out, and he executed the plan, knowing the consequences; in this specific situation Yuna was completely innocent, yet Shimura was willing to kill her for the sake of his nephew, which i would understand... If not for the fact that the man can't shut up about honor and righteousness, making him a hypocrite who is content with sacrificing the lives of those under the bushi class.
Fun Fact: The real reason the mongols were defeated was because Tsushima was hit by a storm so powerful it wiped out most of the fleet forcing the rest to retreat. And then when the mongols came back for a second invasion they were hit by another typhoon before they could even land on the island. So the storms as well as the skill of the samurai forced the mongols to do something they never did before, give up on conquering a new land.
Not entirely true. During the first invasion the islands of Tsushima and Iki were conquered rather quickly. Then the mongols actually successfully landed in Hakata bay on the mainland. Then what ensued was a number of battles and skirmishes overall known as the battle of bunei. Initially the mongols had the upper hand, confusing the samurai with their intricate formations and use of gunpowder which the Japanese had never seen before. Then when the mongols encamped for the night, the Japanese would start a list of ambushes and counter attacks which would cause heavy casualties on the mongols. Then, the mongols decided that they did not have the resources to conquer Japan if this is what they were opposing, they only had 30,000 men with no proper supply line. Also remember that they were not expecting a professionally trained foe like the Samurai, all they knew about the Japanese is that they were pirates as that is what the Koreans told them. The first invasion was basically an oversized scouting party. Then it is during the return back to Korea that legend says the storms hit. Though we don’t actually know 100% if a storm wrecked their fleet in the first invasion.
Then for the second invasion the Regent of the Shogun (the shogun at this point had no power and the real power lied with the regent) Hōjō Tokimune knew the mongols would return. So he built a defensive wall along the shores of hakata bay and its surrounding coastline. He also mobilised a large number of forces to Kyushu (Japan’s southern island) in preparation for another invasion. Then when the second invasion, this time 100,000 strong, came they were well prepared. The mongols were not able to break through the defensive walls, mostly because they were not able to mobilise their famed cavalry off their ships due to the barrages of Japanese arrows and the beach not being stable ground for them. The samurai actually managed to counter attack by boarding small vessels and stealth attacking mongol ships, taking many heads. Eventually, the storm came and wrecked the mongols (this we know happened for sure). Any survivors found along the shore (with exception to the Southern Chinese who were recently conquered by the Mongols and wee instead enslaved by the Japanese) were killed and their heads were collected for rewards. It can be argued if the mongols could have won the second invasion if the typhoon did not hit. I do not think so, they were anyways having trouble breaking through the Japanese walls, and would have suffered heavy casualties. Then even if they did, the Japanese could have just retreated further inland and could have started a scorched earth policy, along with guerrilla tactics against the mongols. The mongols would then be stuck across the ocean, in enemy territory, with no supply line, not being able to live off the land, whilst also being harassed and attacked by a skilled enemy numbering 30-40,000 strong.
The mongols mobilised a 3rd army for another invasion of Japan. But, conflicts in south east asia distracted them and japan would not face the mongols again.
Yeah, this cemented the view of the japanese that they were chosen and protected by the gods. These events became known as the kamikaze, the divine winds, and "bringing those divine winds to the enemy" was where the kamikaze-pilots of the second world war got their name from.
@@TheGhost-7002I've heard about these hypothesis too, but the widely accepted theory is related to the typhoons and storms. Do you think it's a historical misconception? Or is it that both factors could've come into play?
On an unrelated note, i find it ironic that the Samurai during this time period were anything but what Shimura would've considered honorable. They were much more like Jin
@@addictedtochocolate920 This is not a hypothesis. It’s historical fact, you can watch videos online as well from certain channels such as kings and generals who has great videos on the mongol invasions. The typhoon thing is a popular exaggeration. It was exacerbated by the Imperial Japanese Government who used it as proof of the emperor’s divinity and how the Japanese people are divinely destined to be the master race.
You’ll also be surprised to hear that Samurai of any era acted much more like Jin (minus his compassion). Mix the tactics of Jin with the personality and brutality of Kazumasa and you have what a samurai of that era was like. Samurai of any era were brutal, effective and straight to the point. Honour back then meant something very different from what it means now. Honour first and foremost meant loyalty to your Lord (if you weren’t a daimyo). And killing someone in a way that is safer for you (like stabbing them in the back) or using something that gives you a tactical advantage (such as gunpowder) IS NOT DISHONOURABLE. Shimura’s style of ‘honour’ is a very romanticised, and borderline stupid form of honour. For daimyo, to be honourable is more about being forgiving and compassionate (like Jin) now that doesn’t mean letting everyone getting away with everything. If you want an example of an honourable warlord, I recommend looking at the Life of Uesugi Kenshin, he was a brilliant strategist known for his rivalry with Takeda Shingen, being the only person to defeat Oda Nobunaga in battle, never being defeated on an open plain, his faith (he was also a devout Buddhist and remained a virgin his whole life), and his honourable conduct.
Also whilst I’m at it I’ll also just make it clear that Ninja (or Shinobi would be the period accurate term, but there are other period accurate and regional terms for ninja) were Samurai, they were not two different warrior classes. Shinobi was one of the many jobs that a Samurai could take. They also were not Assasins (though they would assassinate someone only if there was a 100% chance of them getting away with it) they were rather reconnaissance/scouts/spies. And they did not wear black, they would blend in. Such as dressing up as a peasant, or a monk asking for donations. In fact, Shinobi/spies have been used in Japan loooong before the samurai. The main book that the Samurai would follow in all ages is Sun Tzu’s art of war, which literally has an entire chapter dedicated to the importance of spies.
This is true! 🙏🏽💪
I literally sobbed when they killed the horse when I was playing. You have them for the whole game and then boom they’re gone.
Didn't cry, but was definitely upset. Even more so with my horse in RDR2. 😞
18:41, she said “farewell, you are the unforgettable. May you rest in peace”.
I’m crying over a horse that’s just in a game man…
The Last Samurai, Shogun, and Ghost of Tsushima, It seems the samurai theme is bringing Achara to tears everytime.
You’re ruled by emotion! Two seconds later emotionally slaps Jin. Bruh….
Well to be fair he is seeing his surogate son and nephew turn into a war crimminal that will be hunted down by the shogun if he continues with the low honour route.
We are only Human.
Lol
It does seem funny when you point it out like that
Personally, I've always considered killing the uncle as the better ending. Even though Jin doesn't believe in the "honor" that comes with a warrior's death, his uncle does. Sparing him like that just feels like a slap in the face to everything the uncle believes in, not to mention he will likely be executed and/or shamed by the Shogun for his failure to kill Jin which to the uncle is a fate worse than death. Killing him is also just the more emotionally impactful ending imo. In the end they are both crying and you can clearly see how much they love each other and that this is something neither of them ever wanted. Jin can barely bring himself to do it, and the uncle even takes Jin's arm and pulls the knife in to help him. Then it ends with Jin holding his uncle and just sobbing. Its heartbreaking and beautiful, just like the rest of their story.
I prefer the kill ending as well. The spare ending feels like the ending to a modern hero origin story that sets up the future sequels. The kill ending feels like the end of a really really good standalone movie that has no intentions of becoming a franchise.
My counter argument for why i think it's better to let him live: i care way more about Jin than about lord Shimura.
As a player, i don't see Jin as myself; i see him as his own character who i i am responsible for. Meanwhile Shimura lost all my respect when he tried to frame Yuna for the decision he KNEW Jin took of his own volition. The man is somewhat of a hypocrite, as well as a fool in the art of war (all samurais are in this game because it's not historically accurate).
While i care not for Shimura, i know Jin does, and i will not have Jin go through the traumatic event of killing his father figure just because the man feels "dishonored". If he's unable to live with such shame, he can commit seppuku instead of dragging my boy once again into his stupid, pointless, rigid rituals.
I wish they reacted to the kill ending
I feel like it would be in Jin's character that he would spare his uncle/father figure. By the last chapter in his journey, his ideology has completely shifted away from when we first seen of his arc. He's grown to make his own choices more than follow the shogun and his uncle's ways. So in the end, it would make sense of him to sacrifice tradition.
I agree. The kill ending is way better and is the thing he would do. This whole you’re samurai or the ghost argument is kind of dumb with the choice. You can kill the uncle and still be the ghost. Like you said it’s a slap to the face and even though it hurts him more than anything I think he loves him enough to honor his wishes to make him happy.
Im upset that this cutscene version that they are watching did not have the conclusion of Yuriko's sidequest.
I will actually just do my own play through and play accurately as possible to what Jin might do and wear during the cutscenes.
even worse it had none of the Jins father memories
They missed quite a few cutscenes from the game like the side stories of the other npc characters that went through all 3 acts with you like sensei ishikawa, lady masako etc, the legendary equipment and move set cutscenes, and the other ending to the mainstory but this is definitely a good summary.
SHEESH a double finale 🔥🔥
Need to watch Uncharted series or Red Dead Redemption 2 next. I do not say The Last of Us cause Achara already knows the whole story.
I really hope they do Red dead redemption 2🙏🏻 such an incredible story
Red Dead Redemption 2 only if they react to the 19 hour cut that has the side missions. th-cam.com/video/WSxj1UQnvBU/w-d-xo.html
Red dead is way too long honestly. That and the fact that the games story is just as much in the gameplay as it is in the cutscenes. Im sure anyone who uploaded the game didn't include gameplay conversations
yes to Uncharted
@@FireflyFalafel this version does not contain side missions too
5&6 together!? Almost three and a half hours!? You really think we’re gonna sit here and watch all this…!?…. Damn straight! Let’s settle in!!! 💯💯💯
Thank yall for blessing us with this.
3:37 No; in real llife feudal Japan, that would make you smart. Many shinobi (ninja) were also samurai who were simply specialized in espionage and sabotage
Honor as a concept has changed a lot, and our pop culture perception of Bushido is quite inaccurate.
Now, watch Uncharted cutscenes especially Golden Abyss. Hayley said she loves puzzles.
Agreed, but they should not start with Golden Abyss, that is the weakest in the series, they should start by release order.
@@rafaelkalo8909 I know. The truth is nobody knows about Golden Abyss it's the sixth Uncharted game because it's a handheld system.
Yeah just not the one from Gamers Little Playground
Glad you finished Ghost of Tsushima! When you get the chance I hope you react to the other opinion for Shimura's fate and "memories of Jin's father" it shows more about what Jin's father was like during the samurai invasion and what his relationship was with his son.
11:30 This scene was both incredible and sad! Excellent storytelling! 🙏🏽💪
2:16:20 Tenzo & Fune are great! Love these characters! 🙏🏽💪
The song that plays as the horse is dying reminds me of ‘Flower of Carnage’ the song that plays on Kill Bill when Beatrix kills O-Ren .. Very soothing
This guy is posting cutscenes but doesn’t turn off the face mask so you can see Jin’s expressions
1:49:44 Jujitsu is more about grapping, not kicks. However, other styles like Taekwondo, Muay Thai, Kenpo and many others do! 🙏🏽💪
His Basically the First Ninja/Shinobi
No, some assassins and spies existed in Japan centuries before. Also in the game Yuna herself seems to have been able to kill ennemies in the ninja way before him
The morals of this game are completely wooshing you by. The Samurai system is flawed and the side-missions of this game delve deeper into showing that it isn't a fair or just system like it pretends to be. Ryuzo you also have to remember is a commoner and Jin is a lord. He never had the luxury of "choice" that Jin has and Jin beating him at the tournament when he was young basically made him a vagrant when Jin could have lost, but it is revealed in side missions that "Lord Sakai" could never lose to a "commoner" even if they were friends.
We need more game cutscenes watchalong
Kage's death hit me hard because I did the Iki Island DLC after Act 1. I almost lost him before and then lost him at the end of Act 2.
34:49 I'm always satisfied seeing the enemies run in fear in this game! 😌💪
It is VERY interesting that the Shogun was more upset about Jin inspiring people rather than his tactics. The Shogun at that time was basically in a power play to control Japan anyway, so any threat would have to be quashed. And Shimura was so much of a traditionalist that he couldn't step outside his rigid culture to see that Tsushima would have been sacrificed without a thought if it was convenient. The OTHER ending...I felt was more appropriate but that's me. Shimura is dead either way. I felt it was better to give him the death he wanted rather than to be humiliated by the Shogun. HOPEFULLY they react to the other at some point. Fingers crossed.
1:36:05 Oh snaps!!!! My favorite section of the game! This is going to be great! 🙏🏽💪
51:30 Well, in the actually history of the Mongol invasion of Tsushima, from what I remember, the invasion failed partially because of the typhoons.
Choices made by the gamer is like Antagonizing The Ghost
1:05:14 Now this, puts a smile on my face 😌
1:23:02 Yeah, even though it's painful, it's best to kill him because it gives Jin's uncle the respect he wanted. Sparing him actually disrespects his wishes. Its definitely painful, but it honors his last wish! 😔🙏🏽
Now y’all gotta do the side missions!!
17:43 You should try Red dead redemption 2
This is where the fun begins!! 🙏🏽💪
When they killed the horse I was so mad!! This horse will be with you through the whole journey MY ASS!!
What a masterpiece of a game! Bravo 👏🏽
This was a brilliant watch. Rdr2 or witcher 3 next. The 2 best storyline games for me
15:17 Amen! 🙏🏽💪
3:38 Don’t believe FX Hulu Shogun,Samurai were Savage/Dirty Fighters!!!.
I believe that Shogun displayed better how a Samurai would actually fight? Ghost of Tsushima and the Last Samurai push the romanticised honourable image waaaay more.
Don't take it to the other extreme; Samurai were resourceful warriors who employed any effective tactic they had available in order to archive victory, just as any other warrior class did.
Ambush tactics, guerrilla warfare, assassinations; if you think any of that is "playing dirty", then you do not know history.
@@TheGhost-7002 Shogun takes it to the other extreme and also exaggerates many traditions/cultural differences that aren't as radical or brutal as presented in the show. It is still a good watch, just as GoT and Last Samurai are also good stories crafted with respect for the time period, but inaccuracies are bound to appear for the sake of shock value/artistic liberties
@@addictedtochocolate920 Ghost was a huge homage to the Jidai Geki films and shows. Even has the Kurosawa mode as an homage to the legendary film maker. In reality, Samurai were mercenaries. There is a LOT of play up to the whole 'honor' thing, but they were no more honorable than the medieval Knights. There was a big thing when the code was created, but in reality Samurai were only as honorable as what they could get away with. Which isn't shocking at all. Also, Samurai WERE incredibly dirty combatants and fun fact, their main weapon was the BOW not the sword. Also they were REAL quick to adopt firearms when the opportunity presented itself. There is a lot of great history there though some was obliterated during the Meiji era (such as the scrubbing of history when it came to women's roles within samurai clans and that there WERE a few female Samurai...one specifically because her brother needed someone he could trust and she was the only person he felt could keep up with him in combat). Artistic licence aside, Ghost of Tsushima was a blast to play and watch.
@@addictedtochocolate920 No, but it seems like the person that wrote this says “dont believe Fx’s shogun, because Samurai were dirty fighters” hinting that Shogun shows the samurai as extremely ‘honourable’, with a “hey! Turn around and face me” kind of attitude. But, I feel like Shogun did the opposite of that. Like you said, they in fact made them extremely brutal in the show (which they were). Yes they did exaggerate things in a few areas, (such as the dude killing off his whole family line for just speaking out of turn and insulting Ishido, which is unrealistic) but you have to remember this is also based off a book, so there are certain plot lines which they cannot change, or it is easier to not change. Such as the Hollywood Ninja scene they had in the most recent Episode.
The ninja stars are actually a samurai weapon
I think you guys should watch the side quests of Sensei Ishikawa, lady Masako, and Norio. They all have good stories.
18:12 RIP! 😔🙏🏽
3:06:18 Let the battle begin! 🙏🏽💪
Would you react to A Plague Tale: Innocence and A Plague Tale: Requiem? It is one of the best story in a games.
2:52:24 The reveal! 👀 👀 👀👀
Tip for the future, stop talking over the cut scenes. There's everything else in the game to talk over. Other than that you ladies are killing it! Keep it going! 🎉 🍻
3:10:18 My man Jin! 🙏🏽💪
Samurai Are Pretty Good Warriors Pharaohs Medjay Warrior Understands Samurai’s Story
Dude didn’t even bother bowing to the horse’s grave…honour really did die on the beach at Komoda
Kristen you overthink things it's just a video game You're overthinking it like it's a movie with multiple plot twists calm down just go along with the ride
Spoken as if there's a huge difference between video game and movie stories nowadays.
What I'm basically saying is she's just overthinking things That's all I'm trying to say so once you got to try to bring out like oh this person is going to turn on this one I'm like stop I kind of laugh a little bit when she does it @@EskChan19
Can’t wait to see the finale of this game
57:10 Aye!!!!!! 😂💪
Yeah, the horse CS messed a lot of people up.
Wait, you finished the game and dlc. What’s left?
The channel you guys choose to watch didnt show the conclusion of the storylines for the side characters before the final battle. Thats why there was dialogue you didn't quite understand and dont know why some characters are really there. The monk literally is nothing like you first met him
55:08 Vin Diesel's voice: Family! 🙏🏽💪
Wished you guys reacted to the other ending
Dont worry, i still ship Jin and Yuna, even though there are no real signs of them being together. I just want it lol
I killed the uncle since thats the ending where they make up and he sees jin as his son again before he dies plus i think killing him is mercy since im sure he would be shamed or killed by the shotgun for failing to kill jin
Pleaseeee do the uncharted series next. Such a good game
The kill option was much better as it honored his uncle. Closed the story line.
What happened to the finish of the Yuriko side story? 😤
Anyone else think they should react to all the GTA 5 cutscenes? That games story is very underappreciated
2:18:40 Yikes!!!!!!! 😭😂
They should react Red dead Redemption 2 next. The story is so good and characters.
Achara and Kristen react to Prince of Persia
Prince of Persia The Sands of Time STORY ONLY - SUBTITLED ( th-cam.com/video/OqZOI5zUJC4/w-d-xo.html )
Prince of Persia Warrior Within STORY ONLY - SUBTITLED - 4K 60 FPS ( th-cam.com/video/WzKzUOZMiD4/w-d-xo.html )
Prince of Persia The Two Thrones STORY ONLY - SUBTITLED - 4K 60 FPS ( th-cam.com/video/-Z5CiDvtoJ0/w-d-xo.html )
thank you
You guys should react to the gears of war trilogy! Really great games!
3:10:03 Uh oh 👀
5:07 😂
Wait! I wanted to see them react to Lady Masako & Sensei Ishikawa’s side stories 🤨
Uncharted games next? Those are very cinematic to watch
Thank God the final episode.
This is the last episode it’s both parts!
@@Batt-man ya i just saw that now 😅
2:14 🙏🏽💪
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May your death benefit all beings isn't subjective. They are literally saying if you died everyone would be better off lol
46:45 🙏🏽
Watch the cutscenes for “plague tale innocence” and “plague tale requiem “after this one . I guarantee you will love this game series
Wow im early
45:46 🙏🏽💪
1:23:09 achara's based
React to Sekiro: shadow die twice, u r gonna luv the fighting scenes
Whoever they're watching play has been playing the game backwards. The reason you still have kage is because you were supposed to play that before khan. The Khan is the last of the game the dlc is before that fight.
actually, Jin has a dialogue in the dlc where he tells the eagle that the khan is dead.. hence solidifying the fact that the DLC is after the main story. the horse is also still Kaze in the DLC tho?
@givenofuckz2313 yup, sure is. The dlc takes place before the khan final fight. Your supposed to go thru the main story until act 2 when the dlc is open them you complete that then travel back and finish the main story. Your horse whichever you first name it goes from the main story to the dlc and dies back in the main story
@esk8orde606 not necessarily the dlc came after the game and there's alot of dialogue which hints it takes place after killing the Khan
@givenofuckz2313 why the back track with the horse. His original horse was already dead if that's the case he gets his new horse after him and his uncle falling out
@esk8orde606 this is the new horse 🐎 the first one was named "Kage" and the second one "Kaze" but in the end of the main campaign the let's player chose a brown horse but in the iki island dlc it's grey so the uploader just probably recorded the dlc during a different playthrough
Kaze Kage from Naruto
Next ryse son of Rome
Both Jin and Shimura were wrong on how to storm the keep. They should’ve used smoke bombs so thick that it would’ve been like tear gas, either forcing them out into the open or dying from smoke inhalation.
The problem is that as they said to each other before their duel, Jin has no honor and Shimura is a slave to it. Neither is willing to bend their morals appropriately.
Jin most definitely bends his morals or this game wouldn't be game
@@frontdoor3417 he doesn’t bend them he breaks them
IMO, the ending where Jin honors Lord Shimura's request for a warrior's death is way better. I never understood people who choose to spare him. After all that happened, why would Jin choose to make it about himself and his loss of status and honor in order to refuse to give his uncle his final wish when Lord Shimura is dead anyway because in all likelihood the Shogun will demand he kill himself for his failure to kill Jin. He didn't save Lord Shimura, just beat him in fight and chose to dishonor him by not giving him a samurai's death, and given that their rift was because Jin broke the samurai code and Shimura would never do that, he basically spit on him and deliberately forced his broken code of honor on Shimura himself. It literally cost Jin nothing to send his uncle off like a samurai given what both of them had already lost. Sure, he may not care about his lost honor or status, but Shimura did care and he knew it. It's a weird narrative choice that decides to prioritize their different philosophies over their actual character and love for each other.
It's not better and the one where he spares him is the official canon ending. And rightfully so.
@@BTBSOUNDS At least I said "IMO" and gave reasons why, captain. Not just "Nuh-uh, it's not better and that's canon" like you because you can't explain why it's better and a better thematic fit.
@@jmhaces Because I don't need to. But if you insist, it's cause Jin realises that honor is worthless. "Honor" is what killed the samurai on Komoda, "honor" is what killed the samurai on the bridge at Castle Shimura, "honor" is what turned Jin's only remaining family against him.
Keeping Shimura alive isn't "dishonoring" him, it's teaching him a lesson. Him being a slave to his dumbass honor is what would've caused Tsushima to fall if not for Jin. Him dying would've served no purpose other than being yet another thing he can hide behind. Shimura isn't completely honorable, he has shady friends like the pirates of Uzumi Cove. Shimura is a hypocrite saying that Jin is ruled by his emotion and then striking his "son" two sentences later when Jin made a valid point.
And most importantly, as Jin says, he has no honor but he will never stoop so low as to kill his own family. Meanwhile Shimura with his "honor" was ready to kill his "son" so that he can go off and start a new family. And of course before doing that, he made sure to make him ride thru his land and past his estate as he tells him that other randoms are gonna be living in the house that's been home to 7 generations of Sakai. Real fuckin honorable of him huh?
Shimura is a cunt and deserves to live and be seen as the man that raised the Ghost, the man that has no honor, that taught people to rise up against stupidity and defend themselves when the people that should be defending them choose not to cause "honor".
@@jmhaces Thematically, Jin sparing Lord Shimura is a better fit. The ENTIRE GAME is about Jin learning to not be a slave to honor and do the thing that's best for all, even if it's not honorable. Lord Shimura is a good leader, he still has influence with the Shogun, and knows Tsushima better than any Samurai send by the Shogun. And as he said, he wanted to push the mongols back for as long as he lived. Jin wanted that too so even if they can't do so together, having an ally who is predictable is a good thing for the Ghost.
And as much as people like to say so, it's very unlikely that the Shogun would have him killed. I know people think that Samurai were ordered to kill themselves for literally every slip-up, but that's not how that worked. Remember that saving face is extremely important in Japan. The Shogun send an entire army to defend Tsushima from the Mongols, and it would be considered a huge failure on the Shoguns part if it came out that they were useless and Jin practically saved the island on his own. So what is much more likely to happen is that the Shogun will proclaim that Lord Shimura valiantly led the reinforcements from the Shogun to victory against the Mongols, a feat that would bring Lord Shimura and the Shogun a lot of honor and let both of them save face.
So Jin killing him would have been "The samurai way", yes, but he would have lost a quasi-ally, would have put a much bigger target on the Ghost (since being a traitor is bad but being a traitor who killed one of the now most famous lords of japan would have ensured a straight up manhunt on the ghost) and it also shows that Jin has grown more human over the course of the game. He would have doubtlessly had no qualms killing Lord Shimura before, but it was his growth, his abandonment of holding onto Samurai ideals for the sake of it and him learning to do what is best for the people regardless of what honor dictates that allows him to make the choice to spare Lord Shimura in the end.
Because of that this ending makes much more sense IMO. Jin killing Shimura would have literally undone all of the character growth he has gone through the entire game. And again, it's extremely unlikely that Lord Shimura will carry many negative consequences. He'll probably have to pay a higher tax or get some corporal punishment or put under house arrest for a bit, but he's unlikely to be worse off than he was before the mongols invaded, and much more likely to be in much better standing with the Shogun and all of Japan now.
@@EskChan19 Not really. I already addressed that. Jin may not be a slave to his honor or the samurai code anymore after all that he experienced during the entire game. But he knows for a fact that his uncle doesn't share his views, since that disagreement literally led to them having that duel, and in that ending he deliberately chose to refuse to honor his uncle final wish and opted to make it about himself and his sacrifices.
The whole father-son dynamic gets closure in the ending where he kills Shimura, they acknowledge that their bond and love survives the shitshow that's tied to their honor or station, and promise to meet again in the next life.
In that ending Jin still doesn't give a fuck about his honor anymore and he walks away to continue being the Ghost, only he does it without pretending to have any moral high ground because he didn't give Shimura a samurai's death by "refusing to kill his own family" though he still beat the shit out of him and caused him to fail the Shogun's mandate, which is not a good look for his uncle regardless of whether the Shogun decides to order Shimura's death after that or not, or even whether his uncle manages to survive the wounds he received in their duel at all.
It's fine if you like the ending where he spares him. To me it doesn't make much sense in the context of these two men's specific relationship and the actual events they went through during the game, as well as their backstory. I can acknowledge the points you make and maybe the writers had a different intention when writing that ending and their intention matches your reading of that ending, but as I said, to me it looks like Jin deliberately chose to dishonor his uncle with the excuse that he had no honor himself anymore, and those are two different things.
I mean, if Shimura was fine with being dishonored himself for the good of Tsushima, thus being on board with your take of Jin not killing him giving Tsushima a better chance of beating back the Mongol invasion regardless of his failure to kill Jin and whatever fallout could result from that, then he wouldn't have been so against Jin becoming the Ghost in the first place because it was the pragmatic choice. To Shimura the samurai code is more important than simply defeating the Mongols, he always showed it, and Jin choosing to not honor it after their duel was a stain on Shimura's honor and not just Jin's honor. It seemed even kind of petty, since we already knew he had nothing to lose anyway. His titles and lands had been taken away form him by the Shogun, clan Sakai was no more, and his death had been ordered.
3:13:02 😌💪
2:09:00 🙏🏽💪
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Where is part 6?
Do red dead redemption 2 next please
Loved your reactions to this game. Your discussion were enjoyable to listen to, insightful and funny. I personally loved playing the DLC more than the main game, both in a narrative and mechanic sense. I also found Tenzo and Fune more likeable than any of Jin's allies on Tsushima (except Yuna and Taka). I especially love the reverse parallel between Tenzo and Ryuzo. Both rogue-ish characters, both with a snappy banter dynamic with Jin. But one was a friend turned enemy who betrayed Jin while the other was an enemy turned friend who stayed loyal to Jin to the end.
I'm a little disappointed (for you guys) that the DLC cinematic you watched skipped so much of the side story content that deepens the narrative even more, esp Jin's relationship with both his father and mother. You guys would have appreciated watching Jin find peace in animal sanctuaries, petting animals and remembering lovely moments with his mother. They also skipped most of the points in the island that Jin could stand at and have flashbacks of his father or of the most impactful moments in the main game.
Also by skipping the side stories, it's never explained that the people of Iki aren't familiar with the Ghost (because Iki has been isolated) which is why Jin never identifies himself with that title in the DLC. Well, except for one very funny side mission where Kenji takes advantage of no one knowing who the Ghost is so he pretends to be him instead so he can receive sake offerings lmao.
Still, I'm glad you guys enjoyed the story and Jin's character so much. One of my favorite games. I hope you both react to more game stories in the future.
Noooo first Callus, then Shimmer and now Kage. Whyyy
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Please watch uncharted 1 to 4 gameplay from the same channel
So did they just not react to the kill ending? Lol
React to Assassin's Creed Black Flag
You should react red dead redemption 2
Why would you put this edit together, starting all of the side quests and then not finish them and have them part of the movie edit? Sucks those were just dropped.
Red dead redemption 2 cutscenes next pls
High key lord shimura has cause to think that it is Yunas fault. She did encourage the behavior and slip into darkness and like a parent , he rather see Jin be saved than the “delinquent” friend getting out instead. But I don’t disagree with the path Jin is taking. I just wouldn’t be against Jin going back to what he knew and turning his back on her cause he was desperate. Jin is used to an easy way of doing things and is harder to go back to a life of discipline and rules.
Yeah, Yuna definitely led Jin down that path. It's not necesarrily a bad path, but it's definitely mainly Yunas fault that Jin took that path.
Regardless, Jin is an adult and a warrior who took the decisions he took to save Tsushima. Framing Yuna for that specific event and getting her killed for Jin's actions? There's no honor in that. Shimura is a slave to a rigid code that would've led to the end of his country and his people.
@@addictedtochocolate920 I agree and disagree. Jin is an adult and warrior but as a samurai he is beholden to a code of honor , a hierarchy and to to uphold his families honor in the system of the Shogunate and to his uncle the Jito. Him being an adult and a warrior has nothing to do with it. This isn’t modern times . Jin’s actions are going to be met with an execution and Lord Shimura doesn’t want that . He let his emotions get in the way and in that moment showed the possible hypocrisy in framing Yuna. BUT Yuna is indeed at fault or her hnds are dirty when it comes to what Jin has become. It’s great writing
@@Kyubii01it isn't modern times NOR ancient times; this game is everything but historically accurate, and a real life Shogun would've been open to any tactic in order to stop the Mongol invasion which was swift and brutal in its first attempt at taking Japan; this fantasy of a feudal system is not a good excuse to explain the decisions and behavior of a character we're supposed to empathize with.
Yuna might have encouraged Jin to take this path, but in this specific scenario it was Jin who came up with a plan, and it was Yuna who warned him his uncle would eventually find out; she was aware of the consequences and brought them up to him, then *he* decided to *instruct her* on how to assist him.
Lord Shimura is abusing his power in order to protect his nephew, and blaming an Innocent woman without evidence just because she isn't samurai. I would be willing to understand if the man wasn't obsessed with righteousness and "honor" (stupidity, basically), because then he comes off as a hypocrite who doesn't care about the lives of those under the Bushi class.
It is also worth noting that without Yuna's teachings and intervention, both Jin and Shimura would be dead.
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Firstly: This isn't modern times nor ANY time; this game is a terrible representation of what Japan was during the time period in which it takes place, and what the Shogun/Samurai would've actually done against the Mongol invasion; that fantasy of a code is not adequate enough to draw comparisons between today's world and feudal Japan in order to justify Shimura's mistakes.
Secondly: Yuna warned Jin telling him his uncle would find out, and he executed the plan, knowing the consequences; in this specific situation Yuna was completely innocent, yet Shimura was willing to kill her for the sake of his nephew, which i would understand... If not for the fact that the man can't shut up about honor and righteousness, making him a hypocrite who is content with sacrificing the lives of those under the bushi class.