Making A Wooden Band Saw Mill From Scratch - Full Build
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More about this here: ibuildit.ca/projects/quick-and-dirty-band-saw-mill/
This video is made up of 6 individual videos that I covered in a bit more detail on my second channel, plus a bit extra at the end:
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I make longer, more in-depth videos there, covering more of the finer details of each build.
were you sore the next day? Because my family has a Old Sawmill our property and when I first use it I was sort of very next day LOL
noob question here,
is the blue electric screwdriver an impact screwdriver?
You have to be the best woodworker I've seen on YT. You make things most people don't even get (like s4ing grade wood with just a hand plane and TS) look remarkably easy while some guys never figure out those skills during their whole lifetime.
I have a theory about the drift: I think it's the flexibility of your silicone. Too flexible and not stiff enough. Remember this is a 1 " or so blade with a lot more force so now when it gets tightened, things start to wear/compress on the wheel maybe the kerf on the inside of the blade got reduced (measure it!) and so it is going to cut where there is more space.
Space is produced by kerf. So the outside had the most kerf left so it's not an up/down cut issue so much as it is drifting towards what kerf is less compressed.
Maybe you could put a very fine relief in the wheel where the blade kerf is so it does not compress so much with the new blade. Would hate to see another set of efforts & expense of one of those blades go so quickly.
I hope you got like a 3 tpi skip tooth design or something more like that. Did you discuss it with the blade manufacturer? The specifics of the problem. Or maybe call Grizzly and ask for the bandsaq tuning tech. You never know.
It looked like it ran really smooth. Maybe start with the water earlier on next time. I usually use something like simple green to get stuff off my blades. That spray on stuff with teflon that dries white is also very good all over a woodworking shop. I was routing for you all the way, look forward to more of your videos!
Perfect timing, nascar is on!
Yeah, Makita makes this very nice. mine does about 1400 inch lbs. If you have not yet used the torque bit screws...:) love it.
Legendary Workshop, Good idea and, in the long run, after set-up, less physical effort.
There's something really special about seeing a 40 something year old, doing what he loves and sharing it on youtube. Am I the only one who feels this way?
Nope
I take it you also watch Tim (grand illusions) it's just so lovely watching ambitious old men
+eyad mardini hes not that old
40 something? I think you need to clean your glasses. He's gotta be 50 at least, probably more like 55. But yeah, it's fun watching him and wishing I had a workshop like that (and the skills).
Why focus on age? Good to see anyone of any age doing what they love and sharing on TH-cam.
your descriptiveness and your proficiency with your personality on camera earned you a subscriber!
WellDone! I know this vid is dated, but still provides excellent inspiration, example.
I have built several bandsaws over the years, most of them temporary, meant for one project, many of THOSE still going. There is something about the sum physics of bandsaw that seems it’s TRYING to make you look good. Many projects a struggle every step. Bandsaw is on your side, it’s like it’s TRYING to emerge from the leftover, spare parts you’ve had for years into a functioning machine.
Bravo! Keep playin’ that Rock and Roll!
John; You deserve a great deal of credit for not only producing an interesting and entertaining video, but, more importantly,
for demonstrating the full engagement of a, "do it yourself'er"; the happiness of doing it!
it's a good project, I like the inclusion of a few creative camera angles, like the "in the cabinet" angle, like good eats was known for, and the "come with me" on the lumber later on. they're seamlessly included, and aren't flaunted. I like that.
That cupboard POV transition was slick asf. I loved everything about that.
Really enjoyed this video. Good ideas using the silicone on the wheels and ceramic tiles for guides. Look forward to watching some more videos. Thanks from UK
Hi John,
You did everything very clearly and cleanly. Construction of the saw, the video, cleanliness and orderliness of the workshop are excellent. 👏👏 🏆
Best regards from the Maldive Islands.
i thoroughly enjoy how most of your big tools are hand-made.
Very good information in how to build something with what you have available. Good build.
You’re an excellent instructor - and a fine videographer. Great camera angles and good lighting. Tks.
Hi John, You may be better off looking around for a local sawmill that can collect the wood and saw it for you.
Great demonstration of resourcefulness! The camera seemed to be attracting flies.
A lot of effort for perhaps a small amount of useable timber. But what an ambition you gave to all your views, I had to recharge the battery on my iPad to see the second half, couldn't wait so excited to see the first cut. Praying that the blade was going to go all the way through that thick log. YES Made it,,,,,,,
What a great series! Can't wait for a year to go by and see what you do with the wood.
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Thanks David, I may use some sooner - a smaller piece that I'll dry in my oven.
Kioto
with so many subscribers I am surprised no one has given you a jointer. Do you refuse to be sponsored or just haven't went looking for one? Great work by the way. Making Canadians proud!
Great project. I don’t even know how I ended up watching it, but I thoroughly enjoyed it 👍🏼
Great craftsmanship, should be proud of your accomplishment.
A few questions:
How strong is this blade? For example.. is there much risk at all of it breaking?
Is the blade only kept in place by tension? No guides or something?
How much to build a large one that cuts 5.5ft trees? Rough estimate.
And whats the biggest blade possible? Maybe they can be welded together (strong enough) to make any size?
I love this channel so much! Watching people build stuff is so inspiring. How cool would it be to have a mill and be able to go from having someone PAY YOU to pull a tree out into being able to build with that material and make perfect furniture? LIFEGOALS
this video probably took as much time making as your saw, I'm impressed! good job I love your videos
+Tyrell Rutledge
The videos took roughly 5 times as long as the actual build. I finished the saw itself in about 12 hours total.
I read a few of the comments, with some ideas about why the blade was drifting. The way I see it, I believe the blade needs support closer to where it's cutting. If the blade guides were adjustable along the length of the blade, you could get them closer to the action. For example, if you were cutting that 15" wide log, you could move them to about 18" apart or so, just outside the width of the log. I believe the blade is twisting and diving down, 'scooping' out the wood at the end. A steel frame and wheels would allow for more tension, and that would help, but I think you could eliminate most of the problem with better guide placement. Maybe even a real sharp Timber Wolf blade. Your ceramic and bearing guide system is really cool, by the way.
Manufactored mills use water to keep the blade cool and clean in order to keep from burning the blade up and cutting straight.
You're one heck of a hard worker, that's for sure. That looks like some back breaking work.
When he went to cut those screws on the table saw my eyes bugged out. Got me!
Nice effort, I appreciate the time you took to complete the project. It did give me ideas on other possible projects that I have in mined
Oil works great to keep the blade from gumming up. WD40 or any other kind of spray oil or drip setup would work. I’ve used anything from motor oil just wiped on a saw or spay oils with handsaws to keep them clean.
Need to put a wedge into the cut when it gets about 1/2 way through. That will prevent the wood slab from getting pinched.
f'n brilliant. I can't believe how well it tracked "right out of the box"!! Good work
most appreciated video -- neophyte to woodworking here and just sponging up what I can. 64yo retired guy love working w/my hands but never had any experience with wood. Looking for a piece of land in Marshall/Asheville NC area to build a house. TY
We need more people with skills like this.
When putting a drill chuck in the lathe, I run a section of all-thread through the hole in the lathe into the back of the chuck and put a washer and wing nut on the outside of the lathe. I can't remember the exact size of the threaded hole in my taper piece on the chuck, but most of them that I have seen have it. That solved my problem with the drill chuck wanting to wander out while I turned bottle stoppers.
Nice try John, I wouldn't, but you did. Respect for your ingenuity and patience.
Since you're into making your own machinery, a metal cutting, tabletop bandsaw can be made from a porta-band.
My friend ,Mapel is rock hard and will stop a nail in its track and for your first cuts you did good.
I know the logs aren’t very long but I think you’d benefit from placing a couple wedges in the saw cut. You can see some burning and it’s gotta be messing with the set in the blade.
Might be the cause of the drift at the end too.
Think I’ll just go with a chain saw mill after watching this. Thanks for helping me to make my decision. Glad I watched it.
I would build a simple winch additionally, just take some rope knot it to your mover, make a drum to wind the rope on, should be straight forward since you have a lathe and I would make a really strong reduction gearing for it, so that you can run it with a corded drill or something you have laying around.
That way you can relax in a chair and read a book while it does the work. Plus you can regulate and optimize the feed rate.
I think that would work perfectly for other timbers, i think it was a david v goliath match, i mean maple is pretty hard and tough, and you had pretty monster pieces of it. I reckon that sawmill would work perfectly on other woods
Have u ever tried cutting circles on your table Saw? U can even cut a shoulder on the wheel. The advantage of doing it on the tablesaw is that u get a perfect circle with a center hole that u start with to make the perfect circle. No other tools needed except drill to make center hole. Diameters are only limited by your ability and work area.
I enjoyed watching this. I'm sorry it didn't work, but then again I'm not because I do things like this and sometimes, quite often really, they don't work, so it is heartening to see others have problems too... the best laid plans!
"once again, i'm not looking for perfection" * THE MOST PERFECT HANDMADE WHEEL EVER * lol, hahah you are awesome, sir, always great projects!
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Great to see your invention working. The video was very well done too!
Parallelogram elevator mechanism needed to keep the log not disturbable versus the blade, or having a blade movable and adjustable in height versus a fixed log.
Thanks for your informative video.
I want it to work, but the blade teeth fill up and cause it to wander if the cut is too wide. The sawdust fills the gullet and the blade wanders up in the cut. The answer is to use a much larger blade with bigger but fewer teeth per inch. It would improve the ratio of width vs. gullet capacity. That is why the professional mills have the crazy huge blades. It is amazing how the blade stays on even through all of the pressures put on it. Your design worked well. Thanks for a great experiment and moving those huge logs by yourself!
This guy is absolutely amazing at what he does. (and those camera angles too!)
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You got some serious heart dude I can only get better not worse
You got some very beautiful wood from that log! I'd love to have some for knife handles!
John you should add some sort of scissor lift to your cart. You're total genius so I'm sure you've come up with something already!!
use oven cleaner on your gummed up blade to clean it I use it to clean my table saw blades ands they cut like knew again. Good Luck
I think the reason for the drifting of the blade is because the runners that the log is moving on might not be square with the frame
Hi John, I don’t do anything like sawing up logs as I am far too old and knackered now, but I do watch a lot of woodwork and log cutting videos and the blades that the experts use is a four TPI negative rake band saw blade, I am not sure what negative rake means but the blade you are using looks to me to be a lot more than four TPI. I am not sure if you will see this message because the original video was put up 9 May 2016 and I don’t know enough about you the tube message system
I think there's a reason why bandsaws are generally oriented vertically, so they don't get weighed down by the cut slab. -just an observation.
Otherwise a very admirable show of practical and industrious ingenuity. Love the sight of grain on cut lumber! Nice work!
Ok I'm sorry but I've been watching this for 25 minutes and I took a quick break, came back, pressed play and the first thing I heard was "tighten up these nuts here." Too funny lol you have my like and my sub
Nice video
Instead of pushing wood, add a crank with cable on one end and hook cable to dolly then just hand crank
I just had a few slabs cut at a mill. What I see missing on your homemade saw, is blade guides that slide out to just outside of where the piece is, that is getting cut. That would certainly help with drift, and be a lot safer. :)
Pretty cool. Sometimes a wider kerf helps. Saws heat up and wander due to sawdust in the cut. A vertical cut is easier for that reason. Check gullet size, feed speed swage. Armstrong in the US publishes some saw feeds and speeds data.
"....the screws are a little bit long, but no problem I cut them with my tablesaw..."
u got me :) ... I really thinked: "Wow... he must have a awesome sawblade from Canada or U.S. I never hear about it" ;) :p
Got me too :)
Just a heads up. Some Russians made one but instead of using a long pole to feed the saw they screwed an eyebolt near the bottom of the long and then used a boat trailer winch to crank it through. If you get the worm gear version you can use a battery drill to crank the winch. Fun looking project you got there !
Awesome build but I'd put frame on rollers and leave the log where it is lol .. push the lighter object and make a platform on some kind of jack so you can raise the log 🙂
I think genius how you position your camera in every scene, should be a great film director ... Congratulations
Andrés Meier Definitely. Impressed at so many aspects of this: his doggedness & hard work, ingenuity, explaining cadence, GREAT camera work! What a hard worker!
A couple of things you need to consider: ! water driping on the blade to keep it cool. 2 a way to pull the log through at a continous feed rate. Add to the water some dawn dish soap to keep the pitch from gumming the blade.. Look at Wood Miser mills to get some ideas to improve your mill.
I've been wanting to make myself a band saw mill for awhile and this video gives some really good ideas and tips. I feel for ya when you were cutting the maple. You can see the terrible little flies buzzing everywhere. Worse than mosquitoes here in the southern US.
THANKS JOHN GREAT WORK ESPECIALLY THE BLADE GUIDES
I think the blade is moving back against the feed force causing it to twist and dive into the material. A way to adjust the approach angle of the blade might help. You should make a crank & gear thing to feed the trolley in more smoothly.
"This is more work than it's worth." LOL, no kidding. What fun, though.
I don't know what's more impressive, your camera work or your carpentry. Either way great video.
One of the most professional done video's, well done. And the end result very impressive.
Not sure how this came up in my feed, but awesome video. Had a lol moment, "screws are a bit long so I'll just cut them off" yep, sounds good, "on the table saw" wait what? Proceeds to grind off, phew.
Wow! Great video!! Great grain in that wood! Just beautiful! I enjoyed your project build and what you got from it. It just goes to show, that with a little ingenuity and patience, anything is possible! BTW, I REALLY like your shop! I'm mildly disabled, but enough so that I can't hold down a job and am forced to live on small disability checks. I pick up the tools and machines as I can but you are WAY ahead of me on the kinds and number of tools as well as the amount of space in the shop! Again, I enjoyed the vid and shared it on my page and with a couple of other friends who like to tinker and build!
This man is amazing, though he can make a bandsaw from almost nothing, but couldn't throw together a cant hook or log peavey, as this would save him a world of time and sweat.
get a cant hook. put it in the middle. put the cart in the middle of a horizontal log (not upright). pull the cant hook back and lean the cart over. i do this for big logs all the time. my mill isn't very high off the ground and i can put the log right on without a ramp, but you may need a ramp. you may need to quarter saw for maple, depending on the season you cut it because of the sugars, but it will have some no matter what. obviously many people have suggested a water drip, but i wonder what a watery castille soap would do. it would have some oil in it and may help with water damage, or just oil up the mill wood so it cant take in water. metal mills have a lot of tension on those wheels, and you take it off every session. you can also adjust the wheels' alignment (axl angle) so the blade sits in a very exact spot (3/8" off the wheels for mine) what a fun build and great effort from whatever you have laying around.
Again use a rope wound onto a dowel with a crank to pull it evenly. you could even make a counter weight attached to he poll so that when it hits a hard area it will slow down to accommodate. Weight instead of speed.
You are using a bandsaw to make a bandsaw. I suggest cutting those circles with a router attached to an arm pinned at the center- plus will be much cleaner
Wow pretty impressive build even a cheap harbor frieght one isnt cheap a lot of though had to go into this back yard build to get it balenced right
Very nice, love your creativity
if you have problems with the chuck slipping out try tapping it with a block of wood we (machinists ) used that trick many times it worked . it looked like a number 2 or 3 mortis taper but they are standard tapers in machine shops thank .question if you will please i noticed you did not predrill for screw holes ?
Never ceases to amaze me the amount of decent kit in most US home builds,I've been in professional workshops in the UK that weren't so well equiped.
He's in Canada.
This is a really cool proof of concept that would be great for anyone with serious ideas about doing it themselves. Yeah, it looks like way too much work vs what you get out of it, but a few design changes here or there could turn that around.
How about a geared-down winch system that pulls the log through the saw very slowly? That way you don't have to guess at how much pushing it needs.
I also think it's a bit unfortunate that you had to use such huge logs to test it out. Those can be really unwieldy. I'm thinking a smaller but longer log to get some nice boards out of it.
How about a way to easily raise the log or lower the saw to make successive cuts?
Finally, how about doing it indoors or at least on a paved surface to get a better hold on it being level.
I can't help but have more ideas here, but yeah, I bet it was way more work than it looks like. Also, you're the one that actually did it, not any of us commenters.
has far has the drifting. I think the blade guides should be as close to the work piece as possible, and for the gummyness you would need a round brass bristle brush cleanning the blade at the exit of cut
Great video. The gummy maple wood makes me suspect that the tree had fallen recently. Better results would be obtained by painting the ends of the logs to inhibit cracking, and then aging in a dry place for six months to a year. That would dry the sap and prevent the boards from warping and cracking after being cut. I would love to see a longer experiment to determine the viability of this bandsaw, since you can't buy a kit of similar type in metal for less than 3k.
Who woulda thunk. I may have to try this. I have a shit ton of trees to mill up. I was thinking of getting a mill.
Dude I was wondering 🤔 about the hand planer. Since inflation has risen. Could you show us how to make one from entirely of heavy wood. I figured it has to be heavy because you don't want it light. Anyway, your work is astonishing.
Also, I don't know if you're into Harbour Freight Tools, but they sell a mill like that that's pretty good, and price fits good too. A buddy of mine bought a Cement mixer for $250 bucks. So they have some good stuff you might be interested in.
genius this is exactly what youtube is for, education :) subbed and loved
Dude, you are a mad man, but I love your work. I've had my band saw for three days, and you have given me an idea to design some sort of table extension jig to and 10' logs. I'm off to my Sketch Up application. Where are you located; I loved hearing the wild life. You're right, those flies look like airplanes. Thanks for the inspiration.
Interesting build. Can't say it is one I would attempt, but was very informative.
I would add a brake for the wheels when power is cut-off;
Also I would suggest you to first by / create a "wood turner"
The you could build a wood turner machinery :)
But I like your work very much and appreciate you sharing it :)
Very enjoyable to watch and that looks like a great piece
Thanks John
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Great series of videos.
Honestly I think squaring it up on the table saw sometimes is better than using a jointer.
I'm batshit for reclaimed pallet hardwoods.
They're really rough on a jointersn blades, and it's really easy to say..." eh...I'll just do ONE more... Cause it's like finding wood treasure. It all depends on your blades, and what you want to sharpen or "hard use" more. My logical vote is table saw. Then a Bailey/Stanley #8 with an iron so sharp you could shave a sleeping bear's nut sack and not have him wake up.
Love the channel. You rule.
Dear Friend, I see the lumberjacks here in Himalaya using a paintbrush with water and soap to lubricate the bandsaw blades every few cuts.
Great build!
that was an interesting design, I would have gone with smaller bicycle wheels and cut grooves out of the Nabis or something. When your blade starts to travel it means it could be dull it can also mean you're trying to feed it too fast which is what I believe was happening also. If you don't want the blade to go dull as fast you need to clear the bark off because it contains dirt and stuff that doll the blade immediately.
Thank you for this video!
Hey, my hat off to you for trying
such a cool machine John.
I came to this video from a video that was about a Dutch saw windmill.
The guy who was cutting wood said that the timber was soaked in water for a year to get rid of the sugar -- which I think could be sap -- and then the wood was cut (I imagine it was dried after that for a year too).
It's probably not worth the effort on a small scale though.
simple & ample: great
Brilliant work
Cool, you might consider a mode to the frame legs to raise and lower the blade rather than jack up the wood on the dolly