That episode was quite wholesome! Really love how George is so passionate about quirky, weird or just more interesting watches. Not everyone needs a black sub, but even if someone wants one - that's ok because in the end it's just being passionate about watches for one's own reasons.
I’ve not been George’s greatest fan as this journey started, but his expression of passion about not being boring really pulled me. It’s about F%#^ing time George!
Andrew is superb. I’m sad that I have never encountered him before. Always thought provoking with every word well thought out and adding to the conversation.
Who cares? Just look at his Pepsi! He doesn't even need to talk. Just show us the watch the whole episode. 🤣 Seriously though, yes, he's fantastic and really keeps things on track. I need to go back and look for more of his content from T&T too.
He is refreshingly well-spoken. It’s a pleasure to listen to all three of them conversing with one another. It certainly makes me wish that the development of proper grammar and language were a bit more prioritized here in the US.
My thoughts exactly... without discrediting Adrian and George, Andrew rarely goes off-piste and tables some very intelligent and well thought out questions. Adrian and George are more extreme and controversial (in a good way) with their opinions and so when Andrew sits in the middle and can dictate the pace, I feel as though this is the perfect combination and chemistry.
Something that piss me off…including a date window that looks like an after-thought. It’s location, how it can break up the dial design or cause strange shaped hour indices, when it’s background color doesn’t match the color of the dial, and at times…it’s inclusion at all. I often prefer no-date watches simply so I don’t have to deal with a poorly executed date window.
I just can’t stand the date window period. It won’t stop me from buying the watch but I see it as so particularly pointless when your collection starts to grow. I rarely set my date as I change watches to often. And then when it’s wrong anyway then what’s the point.
Dan Henry owner here! I didn’t think I’d ever hear anyone talking about them. I only got it cause it’s what I can afford. But I’m pleasantly pleased with it….great show guys.
George loves the wacky, unorthodox and creative watches. Andrew loves the classy, timeless and deep watches. Adrian likes classic, traditional and functional watches, so it appears to me, and its nice to have such a wide eclectic bend of tastes.
Pet peeves: 1. Not enough watch brands make quick release straps 2. Watch websites not showing the price, “click here to reveal the price”. Why?! 3. Well established watch companies with the tech to make smaller movements still cutting corners and selling us unbearably thick watches.
I’ve been “seriously” collecting watches for 20 years, since that first Speedmaster reduced (the one I could afford with first job savings). What I found out after all these years is that the “quirky” tend to leave the collection and the “boring” tend to stay. I see watches as timeless craftsmanship of beauty and engineering (include the Zenith Defy Ceramic for reference), and as deal breakers the trendy for the sake of trendy - insert watch brand/model with blue/pink/yellow coloured dial here - even when beautiful and well engineered. Side note: this show rocks!!!
For BYOI, I have to nominate Traska. I have a Traska commuter, and it’s heavily inspired by the Oyster Perpetual. But it has so much more soul. Because Traska brings their own hardening process to the outer case, the watch feels like it has something of its own which Rolex doesn’t, and that elevates it beyond a simple homage at a cheap price. When they spoke about which watch you would wear in 5 years, I know that my Traska will still be there.
I second Traska. I really wear watches (the only time they're off my wrist is when using the facilities), but appreciate it if they cannot show the beating they get through everyday use.
Also precisely why I'm very interested in RZE ever since Andrew brought them up in one of the latest episodes' BYOI. If only I could find the green dial Resolute in stock.
Didn't think I needed a watch podcast but these have been a ton of fun to listen to. I love how you all have different opinions on things but enough respect for each other's expertise and experience to "politely" disagree and challenge perspectives.
I love how this discussion went so beyond just the chemical reaction of those fast-reacting metals into a sentimental and emotional debate about how those changes actually make you feel. The whole idea is just so bizarre and fascinating at the same time!
I also want to know “why” someone bought/wears a watch. I once met someone through work that was wearing an old tag heuer that didn’t work. I asked him about it…….it was a wedding gift from his wife and he had worn it every day since. He wouldn’t break the streak to get it fixed! Point is, sometimes we project what we think when we see someone wearing a watch. As George said……what’s important is why they wear it!
I really enjoyed the conversation about developing your own opinion on watches, and George’s point of view. I do think he may be missing that in order to develop a nuanced/enthusiast opinion, most people end up going through the “usual” things. TLDR; you rarely start out as a taste maker, but that doesn’t devalue taste making.
My wife’s favorite brand is Oris. She loves the design language, loves that they look unique instead of just a copy of someone else. They do unique work like the Upcycle. I think she also loves that she doesn’t see people everywhere wearing her same watch.
@@marcusflack1523 Thanks Marcus. Quite the story to this watch. Waited for over a year for the right spec. Made a deal with a dealer in Germany. Flew over and met in an airport hotel. Flew back the next day. No one ever understands why I flew to Germany for a watch. I love it so much. Not to everyone taste but is so special for me.
I absolutely agree with Andrew regarding his point on novelty. I’ve noticed this heavily within my 7 years of collecting. There is this subconscious grind in some facet towards something, that you want to better represent you at that time. Like Adrian, I too appreciate and enjoy the explorer 1 and 2 for similar reasons. I want to be respected and liked as long as it doesn’t come at the expense of being just another someone else.
I think it’s great to continue to asses yourself and apply it to your watch selection. Why not. It’s like I don’t wear the clothes I did as a teenager now. So why can’t that be the same with a watch huh!? Thanks for sharing Steve.
Loving this channel fellas, it’s quickly become my favourite watch channel. Just great energy you all produce as a collective. Fresh and different. Man keep building this!
I’ve got an Oris Pointer Date 80th anniversary. That’s the only bronze watch I’ve got and will ever own. I like it but I don’t wear it in the summer, the bronze has a very autumnal/winter look to it and in the summer it turns my wrist green!
My first mechanical is the Tissot PRX, just because it's an attainable watch and it looks like the Royal Oak. I have a friend who shown me his Royal Oak a few years back, but I wasn't into watches at that time (due to being a poor uni student), so when I was a little annoyed at how often I need to charge my Apple watch a few months back, the PRX rekindled my interest in watches. Now I have 10 watches in my collection 😂
Holy smokes. 10 watches that’s amazing. And yeah. What a great piece for the collection over the Apple Watch. Great to see your growing the collection.
This show has made me really appreciate my more colorful quirky pieces, and always great fun to see you articulate gentlemen speak openly and honestly about the watch world, and the different journeys you are on.
I really enjoyed this discussion. As someone who is new to the world of watches I am finding these conversations really helpful for me to distil what it is I want from a watch. I love the fact that watches are so much more than the sum of their parts, its the reason you can talk for hours about this stuff. Cheers
Great job guys. Really enjoying the channel and spreading the world. Whilst I agree with George about not drinking the cool aid, buying a watch because you love it and not for the value going north, like any collection it has to balance between value and your personality. For example his comment on him purchasing limited edition collaborations being future collectables i.e. he is buying because they will going up in value…The challenge as someone new to collecting with no long term track record at an AD is how to find the balance. Clearly you have to access the grey market but that’s a land mine on its own. Would love to see some practical tips on how people can start, how do you manage AD relationships, ways to buy on the second hand market, how do you find out about upcoming collaboration releases and maybe how each of you think about a collection.
Great conversation as always guys.. loved every second. I have issues with fixation around in house movements. So many brands including the holy trinity didn't make in house movements in the 70s and 80s and back then it was acceptable and suddenly it's become front and centre!!
I don't think micro brands are a fad. I think what too many of them are doing is a fad, i.e. churning out the same vintage inspired dive watch designs. The ones that will survive are the ones doing something different. Direnzo is one that is doing some kick ass unique design. I love when a brand has such a distinctive design language that you know it when you see it before you read the branding on the dial. Direnzo are a great example of that. About sporting partnerships... Oris is partnered with the New York Yankees at the moment. Every time I watch a game on TV and see Aaron Boone (team manager) wearing his Aquis I think about buying one... so it's probably a matter of time before I do.
I love George kind of talking through his "kill your darlings" moment. While he has a responsibility to make sure his customer will be happy, he also had to get through that "the customer asked for what they asked for" moment, and that moment of "will my brand do this or not? How exclusive do we wish to be?" I agree with nipple crowns. I shouldn't risk stabbing my wrist with my watch. I love the tank. I hate the aspect ratio on the cabochon. Microbrans are here to stay because of how unaffordable interesting design has become. Limited editions can be fun, but so many are bullshit. Omega does how many mostly meaningless editions? I love my limited edition Fears Archival because it's a milestone edition executed in an interesting way. The Seiko seasons approach is really beautiful. But when it's just another Planet Ocean just to be a limited edition? God help me. I love the shout out to Dan Henry: for $300 you can get a very vintage inspired watch. I think they've gone a bit far lately. But I also think it's important have that. And they do touch a lot of different vintage flavours. And I think the democratisation aspect is vital. I wouldn't be a watch guy without it.
@@marcusflack1523 That’s a good one…. Just really appreciate how level headed his comments are. Love the trio but just identify more with Andrew’s positions and his atitude towards the hobby/industry.
Need to make the show an hour. You guys could go on and on. You are all interesting and funny each in there own way. It's interesting to watch how a topic will spin off for a bit. Very enjoyable.
I laugh at people overvaluing a specific colorway on a watch. And also when brands have a “new release” but it’s the same watch in a different color. Is this the 2nd century when particular dyes are rare and expensive or something…? It’s like they remember Apple advertising different colors of iPods 20 years ago and didn’t understand why that worked.
I had a Oris 80th Anniversary Bronze and sold it a few weeks ago. Loved the green and the bronze however the thought of it starting to patina killed me! If they could create the bronze with a coating so it didn’t patina, that I would love!
Shame you got rid. Just smear it with toothpaste and give it a brush. Comes up great. Every few months is plenty. I hate the aquamarine colour from heavy patina.
One of my favorite micro independent brands is RGM out of PA, USA. I just love their 801-COE, 222 and several others. The 222 is a reworked old Hamilton movement which they have done a brilliant job on. They do produce a few of there own movements but are up front on all their movements and where they derived from. Their engine turning (guilloche) is up there with the best.
I love bronze, I am with Andrew on that one! And my bug is: overcomplicated watches. So yes, you can stick your tourbillion where the sun doesn't shine...
Very enjoyable! Love the banter. Learning more and more about this world of watch loving and time keeping. Big fan of the show. I also have a "boring" 36mm black rolex OP, but it reminds me of my grandpas black sunburst dial 36mm seiko, so I really enjoy it. Today's episode was really well timed. Had some bad news from death in a close family, this episode helped cheer me up and distract me. Thanks for the time and effort. Hopefully you are working on more episodes and sponsors. Very tempted to get that Four Pillars gin. Maybe yall can put a link to the product in the TH-cam description, so they can get more buyers, and continue to sponsor more episodes!
Wow Michael. Thanks for sharing a little of your story. Sorry to hear it’s not great news. But glad we’re bringing a little ray of light in there for you. We will def get onto the links in the description. Great call indeed. Go well my friend. And success with what the future holds.
While I also do not like bronze watches and their “patina” I will say that I disagree that thinking of how a material or watch ages and taking that into design consideration, is wrong. That foresight is so interesting to me and I can’t wait to see advanced thinking around this.
You guys are such a nice bunch. Unpretentious, passionate and most importantly "human". Life is short and I'm glad good people like you want to share this joy with the everyday joes.
Adrian, I’m not a Bronze guy but love the ‘aged steel’ on my Zenith Pilot 40mm ltd edition. Doesn’t age like bronze, doesn’t scratch like steel….win win
This Omega Railmaster you showed, we purchased for our youngest son when he graduated college. It was less than $4,000 USD. Well worth it, and a great “starter watch”. But now I see these at AD’s for well over 6k now. Ridiculous! And…the ONLY thing I hate about Tissot…is the “T” on the back end of the second hand. I know why they do it! But it looks so cheap. I’m wearing a Seiko Prospex Alpinist (Grey-ish) dial… and, I love it! Even more than my Omegas.
This is it! The three most charismatic watch enthusiasts come together to inform AND entertain us smartly. That's my cup of tea. Bravo, gentlemen, I doff my hat to you.
My answer to all of this: choose whatever the f**k you want, don't feel the need to explain your choices, forget about the watch industry and avoid opinions on watch forums completely. The whole watch "scene" is utterly exhausting these days and constantly gets in its own way
Andrew - I really appreciate your gut check for George. That’s compelling video. Though if I can critique, The Grubel Forsey 30 degree tourbillion is a complication for today’s market. It’s built purposely for wristwatches - you guys whiffed on that. Speaking to your video topic - My personal pet peeve is 4 O’clock date windows. Why?! I’m a symmetry guy, but can appreciate a purposeful asymmetrical design aesthetic (A. Lange, FP Journe) . 4 O’clock date windows are a non starter for me.
The watch I’ll still have in 5 years time is my Tudor Heritage Monte Carlo. I say it’s one of the watches that goes with every type of bracelet, rubber, metal, leather or nato it works with them all. Also it holds a sentimental value having lived there for a few years. Regarding a watch deal breaker, it has to be the box. I could love the watch but if it doesn’t come in a good box I wouldn’t buy it. I know some brands have gone ‘green’ but quite frankly just give me a nice wooden box 🙌🏼
Wow. Now that’s a perspective I have not heard before. I’m curious do you still place your watches in their boxes when your not wearing them. So the box remains on display?
@@marcusflack1523 I think sometimes the box is forgotten about but it’s part of the experience opening the box. Mind you the old Tudor box was much better than the current one, however the gloss effect did ruin it! Some of Omega’s boxes are stunning! Unfortunately not due to lack of display area in the house I’d love to have a walk in Watch Closet, one day! 😁
This video beautifully shows how subjective our love for watches is. George said it best, go with what works for you(!) Forget the mass opinions, forget the value, just get what gets you excited or makes your heart skip a beat 👍😎
Really enjoy the show/podcast, gentlemen. Having three people with big opinions/personalities discuss watches creates conflict while maintaining a lighthearted, respectful mood, and I love it. I enjoy the dynamic between the three of you. I can sense a ton of mutual admiration for one another despite your different and unique perspectives. Keep it up!
Yep. What you are watching is truely a great reflection of their lads relationship. It’s super fun to film and see where the freight-train takes us each episode.
deal breaker for me is seeing everyone owning the same watch and thinking that they’re sick. clearly if so many people have a ‘rare limited’ watch, it’s all marketing and hype BS. it massively turns me off
Yes Oris is special. I have bought three. One was their HanGang special edition that funded river cleanup in Korea. We gave it to my Korean brother-in-law, and he was moved to tears at the gift itself and at the notion that a Swiss watch company knew or cared about a river in his country.
Adrien should check out the Stowa Flieger Bronze. They are treated so that the bronze doesn't patina. Mine is about 4 months old and basically looks the same as it did out of the box. I think he'd also appreciate the history.
Ohhh really. I’m gonna check this one out. Thanks for the tip Mike. Wow. Just did so. They are superb. And under 10mm thick. Stunning simple field watch. And open case back to. Nice one.
@@AboutEffingTime Gianni Agnelli and his PloProf on the custom shirt cuff are looking at you while they are speeding away in a yellow Dino. Take a long hard look at yourself 😂😂😂😂😂
I was in Printemps department store in Lille France this week and in the watch section, a guy serving me had the Bamford G shock on - good choice, and representing GB overseas!
Agree full heartedly with George about tourbillons. Unless it's a 3 axis cage etc etc just put it on the back like a cool Patek. How much better would that Moser vanta black be 🔥
This episode perfectly sums up how we're all similar but different. Most of the time I love all the choices in AET and here I'm listening about bronze - check, I love it, complicated crown guards - check, I love it.. most of the time now everything is rehash of something else and vintage inspired watches fits there nicely so I'm with George looking for something exciting and it can be something small, it doesn't have to be crazy ass design. Currently I'm mostly drawn to neo vintage era as I feel it's not as much prostituted like everything else. Great episode 🤘
Verdigris is the word Andrew is looking for. But Patina is also French, I believe. Not to mention Tourbillon. In fact, if you eliminate all French, you'll have a hard time desribing a lot of watch terms, perlage, guilloche, etc.
Its extremely annoying to see leather straps not properly integrated with the case leaving a gap, the exceptions being Cartier, FP Journe and the Reverso
I knew what Andrew was talking about when he said nipple crowns. Tank is one of my favourite classic watches and now I cannot unsee it. Thanks man for the chuckle.
I had a feeling he was talking about a Tank, but it didn't sense as he's previously talked about wanting a Tank, and the Tank is just as much about the nipple crown as it is the case shape. He's a confusing chap!
No one ever mentions the service/repair experience. Many years ago, I needed a crown and crown tube for an Oris commander diver- a very modest piece at the time. They refused to sell me the parts and would only give them to me if I sent the watch to Oris for a full $500 service (not including parts). Keep in mind that the watch was worth $350 at the time and a standard service on an ETA movement was $150. They lost me as a customer.
The Commander is a cool watch. I’ve been searching eBay for one for a while and actually emailed Oris to bring it back. But I agree, service costs are tricky, especially on vintage watches.
@@AdrianBarker Adrian, you are a good man. Your efforts to foster honest discussion beyond the hype are honorable. I think a discussion about service may be worthwhile. Can independent watch repairers service/repair your XXX watch? If the "builder" used mainly Chinese sourced parts, do they even offer service? As in my case, will the watch builder refuse to sell parts? In the case of Seiko USA, they provide a well run service arm for most movements- but the Spring drives and hi beats must go back to Japan.
Great job once again! I always look forward to these episodes. That Seamaster 300 on the nato looked great. I’ve always kept mine on the bracelet but maybe I’ll have to try a strap.
Probably the weirdest watch I have is my Dietrich OT-1. It's not the most groundbreaking watch by any means, but I liked it as it really stood out, and doesn't look like anything else in my collection.
Wearing a green dial, Citizen Eco Drive Tsuno bullhead chrono. I do think I will still be wearing it in 5yrs time, because it will always remind me the time I wanted a Sinn Reinstopper but I did not have the balls to pull the trigger.
Love seeing Oris getting so much love. They did an event at one of my ADs with an Airstream and the big bear and all the new watches. Super stiff vodka tonic, my dad left with the last Dumpster Diver they had. Awesome time, love my Aquis love the brand and I'll definitely be looking forward to some new dials in the PPX.
Every time I shoot an Oris I see them raising the bar higher and higher. Their finishes are keep improving and the progressive approach to their design is a winning formula.
- As someone who likes watches bigger than 40mm I like the idea of lefty crowns so I don't have one digging into my wrist all day. I wouldn't use such watches as intended. - Adrian's Bugbears should be the name of his channel. The Baltic about face was classic. - Cheers for quirky watches. Too many people get squeamish or disagreeable when a watch is anything but blue or black with a traditional case. It drives me nuts. More choices means more happiness for more people.
@@marcusflack1523 I have been. I also struggle with staying quiet while wanting to debate with haters of other people's choices in every comment section I come across.
My Oris Divers 65 is the watch I truly love and wear for almost everything (the Rolex OP is shut away in a box and the Grand Seiko for special occasions)
The more I film the 65. The more I’m convinced of it as something for the collection. They have just nailed it in every way. I can see why it’s such a daily wearer for you.
I still own all my watches from when I was 10 (50 now). I tend to keep them but change to something else. They are not worth trying to sell! I do have my grandfathers watches too in my collection. Looking for a diver to fit my 9" wrist now. Any ideas?
These episodes just get better and better. Thought provoking chat about watches and awesome banter.
Great to hear the show is hitting the spot for you Martin. That’s the aim.
That episode was quite wholesome! Really love how George is so passionate about quirky, weird or just more interesting watches. Not everyone needs a black sub, but even if someone wants one - that's ok because in the end it's just being passionate about watches for one's own reasons.
You’ll like his Oddballs podcast then 😉
I’ve not been George’s greatest fan as this journey started, but his expression of passion about not being boring really pulled me. It’s about F%#^ing time George!
Andrew is superb. I’m sad that I have never encountered him before. Always thought provoking with every word well thought out and adding to the conversation.
Thank you mate 🤛🏻
Who cares? Just look at his Pepsi! He doesn't even need to talk. Just show us the watch the whole episode. 🤣 Seriously though, yes, he's fantastic and really keeps things on track. I need to go back and look for more of his content from T&T too.
Spot on. Andrew is the master of common sense wisdom. I suggest you binge-watch his Time and Tide videos.
He is refreshingly well-spoken. It’s a pleasure to listen to all three of them conversing with one another. It certainly makes me wish that the development of proper grammar and language were a bit more prioritized here in the US.
My thoughts exactly... without discrediting Adrian and George, Andrew rarely goes off-piste and tables some very intelligent and well thought out questions. Adrian and George are more extreme and controversial (in a good way) with their opinions and so when Andrew sits in the middle and can dictate the pace, I feel as though this is the perfect combination and chemistry.
Something that piss me off…including a date window that looks like an after-thought. It’s location, how it can break up the dial design or cause strange shaped hour indices, when it’s background color doesn’t match the color of the dial, and at times…it’s inclusion at all.
I often prefer no-date watches simply so I don’t have to deal with a poorly executed date window.
Feel ya
I just can’t stand the date window period. It won’t stop me from buying the watch but I see it as so particularly pointless when your collection starts to grow. I rarely set my date as I change watches to often. And then when it’s wrong anyway then what’s the point.
Dan Henry owner here! I didn’t think I’d ever hear anyone talking about them. I only got it cause it’s what I can afford. But I’m pleasantly pleased with it….great show guys.
George loves the wacky, unorthodox and creative watches. Andrew loves the classy, timeless and deep watches. Adrian likes classic, traditional and functional watches, so it appears to me, and its nice to have such a wide eclectic bend of tastes.
Pet peeves:
1. Not enough watch brands make quick release straps
2. Watch websites not showing the price, “click here to reveal the price”. Why?!
3. Well established watch companies with the tech to make smaller movements still cutting corners and selling us unbearably thick watches.
Agree with all three. Especially point 3, looking at you IWC!
Bloody hell yes on point one.
Finally got round to catching an ep of this podcast after hearing Adrian mention it countless times - cracking chat lads, subbed.
Thanks a lot for checking it out Don and for subbing.
I’ve been “seriously” collecting watches for 20 years, since that first Speedmaster reduced (the one I could afford with first job savings). What I found out after all these years is that the “quirky” tend to leave the collection and the “boring” tend to stay. I see watches as timeless craftsmanship of beauty and engineering (include the Zenith Defy Ceramic for reference), and as deal breakers the trendy for the sake of trendy - insert watch brand/model with blue/pink/yellow coloured dial here - even when beautiful and well engineered. Side note: this show rocks!!!
For BYOI, I have to nominate Traska. I have a Traska commuter, and it’s heavily inspired by the Oyster Perpetual. But it has so much more soul. Because Traska brings their own hardening process to the outer case, the watch feels like it has something of its own which Rolex doesn’t, and that elevates it beyond a simple homage at a cheap price. When they spoke about which watch you would wear in 5 years, I know that my Traska will still be there.
Never heard of them, thanks!
I'll second Traska. I have a mint dial Traska Freediver and love that watch. It's one that I'll never sell.
I second Traska. I really wear watches (the only time they're off my wrist is when using the facilities), but appreciate it if they cannot show the beating they get through everyday use.
Also precisely why I'm very interested in RZE ever since Andrew brought them up in one of the latest episodes' BYOI. If only I could find the green dial Resolute in stock.
Didn't think I needed a watch podcast but these have been a ton of fun to listen to. I love how you all have different opinions on things but enough respect for each other's expertise and experience to "politely" disagree and challenge perspectives.
I love how this discussion went so beyond just the chemical reaction of those fast-reacting metals into a sentimental and emotional debate about how those changes actually make you feel. The whole idea is just so bizarre and fascinating at the same time!
I also want to know “why” someone bought/wears a watch. I once met someone through work that was wearing an old tag heuer that didn’t work. I asked him about it…….it was a wedding gift from his wife and he had worn it every day since. He wouldn’t break the streak to get it fixed! Point is, sometimes we project what we think when we see someone wearing a watch. As George said……what’s important is why they wear it!
That’s a bloody good potential topic Matthew. We’re def gonna think on this for sure.
I really enjoyed the conversation about developing your own opinion on watches, and George’s point of view. I do think he may be missing that in order to develop a nuanced/enthusiast opinion, most people end up going through the “usual” things.
TLDR; you rarely start out as a taste maker, but that doesn’t devalue taste making.
My wife’s favorite brand is Oris. She loves the design language, loves that they look unique instead of just a copy of someone else. They do unique work like the Upcycle. I think she also loves that she doesn’t see people everywhere wearing her same watch.
Sounds like she has great taste. Yep Oris. Look out those guys are so hot right now.
As an owner of a Graham Chronofighter Big Date GMT I have just sworn at my PC screen.
Hahahahahaha yessssssss. Seriously made me laugh out loud Rory. Hahahahaa
@@marcusflack1523 Thanks Marcus. Quite the story to this watch. Waited for over a year for the right spec. Made a deal with a dealer in Germany. Flew over and met in an airport hotel. Flew back the next day. No one ever understands why I flew to Germany for a watch. I love it so much. Not to everyone taste but is so special for me.
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I absolutely agree with Andrew regarding his point on novelty. I’ve noticed this heavily within my 7 years of collecting. There is this subconscious grind in some facet towards something, that you want to better represent you at that time. Like Adrian, I too appreciate and enjoy the explorer 1 and 2 for similar reasons. I want to be respected and liked as long as it doesn’t come at the expense of being just another someone else.
I think it’s great to continue to asses yourself and apply it to your watch selection. Why not. It’s like I don’t wear the clothes I did as a teenager now. So why can’t that be the same with a watch huh!? Thanks for sharing Steve.
Cyclops on the date…….”drops the Mike “
Show is definitely getting better week by week- keep up the good work 👍
We will continue to sharpen the pencil every day to rise and rise.
Loving this channel fellas, it’s quickly become my favourite watch channel. Just great energy you all produce as a collective. Fresh and different. Man keep building this!
Thanks so much for watching Glen, and glad you like the show 🙌🏻
Renaming a stock quality ETA or Sellita movement to get customers to believe the movement is "in house" or something it is not.
YES. Watch makers need to be confident in their choice of movement, not hide it behind some silly made up name.
Highlight of my day watching you guys discussions . Looking forward to the next one
I’ve got an Oris Pointer Date 80th anniversary. That’s the only bronze watch I’ve got and will ever own. I like it but I don’t wear it in the summer, the bronze has a very autumnal/winter look to it and in the summer it turns my wrist green!
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Ahhh really. So if you wear it in the summer does that mean you would be wearing an Oris Hulk? ….sorry dad joke. But could not resist.
We need a Doxa mention soon, I would like to more know about the brand!
Your wish
Good shout. The new "Army" colours are awesome.
Andrew is the Doxa knowledge king of the gang. We need to let him loose.
My first mechanical is the Tissot PRX, just because it's an attainable watch and it looks like the Royal Oak. I have a friend who shown me his Royal Oak a few years back, but I wasn't into watches at that time (due to being a poor uni student), so when I was a little annoyed at how often I need to charge my Apple watch a few months back, the PRX rekindled my interest in watches.
Now I have 10 watches in my collection 😂
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Holy smokes. 10 watches that’s amazing. And yeah. What a great piece for the collection over the Apple Watch. Great to see your growing the collection.
This show has made me really appreciate my more colorful quirky pieces, and always great fun to see you articulate gentlemen speak openly and honestly about the watch world, and the different journeys you are on.
I really enjoyed this discussion. As someone who is new to the world of watches I am finding these conversations really helpful for me to distil what it is I want from a watch. I love the fact that watches are so much more than the sum of their parts, its the reason you can talk for hours about this stuff. Cheers
Great job guys. Really enjoying the channel and spreading the world. Whilst I agree with George about not drinking the cool aid, buying a watch because you love it and not for the value going north, like any collection it has to balance between value and your personality. For example his comment on him purchasing limited edition collaborations being future collectables i.e. he is buying because they will going up in value…The challenge as someone new to collecting with no long term track record at an AD is how to find the balance. Clearly you have to access the grey market but that’s a land mine on its own. Would love to see some practical tips on how people can start, how do you manage AD relationships, ways to buy on the second hand market, how do you find out about upcoming collaboration releases and maybe how each of you think about a collection.
What annoys me is all of George’s wall clocks can’t be bothered to tell the proper time 😂
I can’t unsee. Thank you.
He can buy new batteries now the snoopy has sold out 👍
It’s that way so when they want a drink of Four Pillars gin they can say “it’s 5PM somewhere.”
@@artsohc Four pillars gin, does that get mentioned 😉
The Timezones of our viewers 😎😎
Great conversation as always guys.. loved every second. I have issues with fixation around in house movements. So many brands including the holy trinity didn't make in house movements in the 70s and 80s and back then it was acceptable and suddenly it's become front and centre!!
UNPOPULAR OPINION: George DOESNT talk about Tag Heuer enough
Noted, we’ll turn him up 👌🏻
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Pretty sure it will kick in again.
@marcusflack1523 hey you are such a compelling storyteller. Why not start up your own channel? I'd watch all day every day.
As a left hander (and I wear my watch on my right wrist) a deal breaker is a right side crown. I love destro models!
Sometimes more IS more. Really enjoying these chats guys!
I don't think micro brands are a fad. I think what too many of them are doing is a fad, i.e. churning out the same vintage inspired dive watch designs. The ones that will survive are the ones doing something different. Direnzo is one that is doing some kick ass unique design. I love when a brand has such a distinctive design language that you know it when you see it before you read the branding on the dial. Direnzo are a great example of that.
About sporting partnerships... Oris is partnered with the New York Yankees at the moment. Every time I watch a game on TV and see Aaron Boone (team manager) wearing his Aquis I think about buying one... so it's probably a matter of time before I do.
Hmmmm Direnzo I have not checked out yet. Gonna give it a look. Thanks for the tip Ric
I love George kind of talking through his "kill your darlings" moment. While he has a responsibility to make sure his customer will be happy, he also had to get through that "the customer asked for what they asked for" moment, and that moment of "will my brand do this or not? How exclusive do we wish to be?"
I agree with nipple crowns. I shouldn't risk stabbing my wrist with my watch. I love the tank. I hate the aspect ratio on the cabochon.
Microbrans are here to stay because of how unaffordable interesting design has become.
Limited editions can be fun, but so many are bullshit. Omega does how many mostly meaningless editions? I love my limited edition Fears Archival because it's a milestone edition executed in an interesting way. The Seiko seasons approach is really beautiful. But when it's just another Planet Ocean just to be a limited edition? God help me.
I love the shout out to Dan Henry: for $300 you can get a very vintage inspired watch. I think they've gone a bit far lately. But I also think it's important have that. And they do touch a lot of different vintage flavours. And I think the democratisation aspect is vital. I wouldn't be a watch guy without it.
Nice thorough debrief 🙌
I love your statement on micro brands. I tend to agree here. It’s so cool to have something very bespoke but completely obtainable.
Andrew´s comments are incredibily purposful and relevant. Congrats!
I had a rare streak on this episode - 🙏🏻
Is it opposite day today?
Ben. Are u one of Andrew’s close buddies. And how much did he pay you to make that comment.
@@marcusflack1523 That’s a good one…. Just really appreciate how level headed his comments are. Love the trio but just identify more with Andrew’s positions and his atitude towards the hobby/industry.
@@BarkandJack Don’t worry… love all you guys.
Need to make the show an hour. You guys could go on and on. You are all interesting and funny each in there own way. It's interesting to watch how a topic will spin off for a bit. Very enjoyable.
I laugh at people overvaluing a specific colorway on a watch. And also when brands have a “new release” but it’s the same watch in a different color. Is this the 2nd century when particular dyes are rare and expensive or something…? It’s like they remember Apple advertising different colors of iPods 20 years ago and didn’t understand why that worked.
Hilarious how a new Color way is worthy of dropping a whole new campaign on us. Please. You just changed the dial color.
Probably my favourite episode lads, love the calling out each other on things and not holding back. Andrew is so clued up ain't he 😂👌🏼
Andrew is the stealth genius in the corner. He can run round the block and run rings around most enthusiasts at a watch table.
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I had a Oris 80th Anniversary Bronze and sold it a few weeks ago. Loved the green and the bronze however the thought of it starting to patina killed me! If they could create the bronze with a coating so it didn’t patina, that I would love!
Shame you got rid. Just smear it with toothpaste and give it a brush. Comes up great. Every few months is plenty. I hate the aquamarine colour from heavy patina.
One of my favorite micro independent brands is RGM out of PA, USA. I just love their 801-COE, 222 and several others. The 222 is a reworked old Hamilton movement which they have done a brilliant job on. They do produce a few of there own movements but are up front on all their movements and where they derived from. Their engine turning (guilloche) is up there with the best.
I love bronze, I am with Andrew on that one! And my bug is: overcomplicated watches. So yes, you can stick your tourbillion where the sun doesn't shine...
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Another great episode, boys. Wish these were longer 😭
Always leave em wanting more 😉
Ah thanks for encouragement. Ya never know in the end.
Very enjoyable! Love the banter. Learning more and more about this world of watch loving and time keeping. Big fan of the show. I also have a "boring" 36mm black rolex OP, but it reminds me of my grandpas black sunburst dial 36mm seiko, so I really enjoy it.
Today's episode was really well timed. Had some bad news from death in a close family, this episode helped cheer me up and distract me. Thanks for the time and effort. Hopefully you are working on more episodes and sponsors. Very tempted to get that Four Pillars gin. Maybe yall can put a link to the product in the TH-cam description, so they can get more buyers, and continue to sponsor more episodes!
Sorry to hear that mate, so glad we were there for some light relief ✊
Wow Michael. Thanks for sharing a little of your story. Sorry to hear it’s not great news. But glad we’re bringing a little ray of light in there for you. We will def get onto the links in the description. Great call indeed. Go well my friend. And success with what the future holds.
I fully agree with Andrew on the Cartier Nipple Issue; this together with the roman numerals accumulates to Cartier being a no-go for me personally.
It’s so strange how many people are into it though right?
While I also do not like bronze watches and their “patina” I will say that I disagree that thinking of how a material or watch ages and taking that into design consideration, is wrong. That foresight is so interesting to me and I can’t wait to see advanced thinking around this.
Imagine what other matériels that could be explored deliberately for patina. And then blends of these materials.
You guys are such a nice bunch. Unpretentious, passionate and most importantly "human".
Life is short and I'm glad good people like you want to share this joy with the everyday joes.
Man this one made us feel good 👍🏻
Adrian, I’m not a Bronze guy but love the ‘aged steel’ on my Zenith Pilot 40mm ltd edition. Doesn’t age like bronze, doesn’t scratch like steel….win win
Guys another great chat but can you please update your mics. Too much popping.
The sound will be better for season 2, I promise.
This Omega Railmaster you showed, we purchased for our youngest son when he graduated college. It was less than $4,000 USD. Well worth it, and a great “starter watch”. But now I see these at AD’s for well over 6k now. Ridiculous!
And…the ONLY thing I hate about Tissot…is the “T” on the back end of the second hand. I know why they do it! But it looks so cheap.
I’m wearing a Seiko Prospex Alpinist (Grey-ish) dial… and, I love it! Even more than my Omegas.
Alpinist rocks!
Man what an awesome gift to mark a momentous occasion. And I agree with you on the T issue on the Tissot. No good.
This is it! The three most charismatic watch enthusiasts come together to inform AND entertain us smartly. That's my cup of tea. Bravo, gentlemen, I doff my hat to you.
Grayson, that is far too kind .I mean really - charismatic? Smart? We'll take it though! All the very best from the Aussie component - Andrew
My answer to all of this: choose whatever the f**k you want, don't feel the need to explain your choices, forget about the watch industry and avoid opinions on watch forums completely. The whole watch "scene" is utterly exhausting these days and constantly gets in its own way
Agree, which is why this is so fun
@@AboutEffingTime 100%, you guys are a breath of fresh air!!! ❤️
Andrew - I really appreciate your gut check for George. That’s compelling video. Though if I can critique, The Grubel Forsey 30 degree tourbillion is a complication for today’s market. It’s built purposely for wristwatches - you guys whiffed on that. Speaking to your video topic - My personal pet peeve is 4 O’clock date windows. Why?! I’m a symmetry guy, but can appreciate a purposeful asymmetrical design aesthetic (A. Lange, FP Journe) . 4 O’clock date windows are a non starter for me.
Can only forgive 4 o’clock DWs on some classic movements 🤘🏻
100% agree with George’s wish that companies refocus back on 60’s/70’s design and insanity of concept. Yes please!
The watch I’ll still have in 5 years time is my Tudor Heritage Monte Carlo. I say it’s one of the watches that goes with every type of bracelet, rubber, metal, leather or nato it works with them all. Also it holds a sentimental value having lived there for a few years.
Regarding a watch deal breaker, it has to be the box. I could love the watch but if it doesn’t come in a good box I wouldn’t buy it. I know some brands have gone ‘green’ but quite frankly just give me a nice wooden box 🙌🏼
Wow. Now that’s a perspective I have not heard before. I’m curious do you still place your watches in their boxes when your not wearing them. So the box remains on display?
@@marcusflack1523 I think sometimes the box is forgotten about but it’s part of the experience opening the box. Mind you the old Tudor box was much better than the current one, however the gloss effect did ruin it! Some of Omega’s boxes are stunning! Unfortunately not due to lack of display area in the house I’d love to have a walk in Watch Closet, one day! 😁
This video beautifully shows how subjective our love for watches is. George said it best, go with what works for you(!) Forget the mass opinions, forget the value, just get what gets you excited or makes your heart skip a beat 👍😎
You are so right.
I whole heartedly agree. I remember when he said this in the recording and it resonated strongly with me also. Thanks for your insight Guy.
@@marcusflack1523 Thank you for your great work effort for these videos. Respect. ☺️
@@GuyVanderAa ohhhh it’s great it does not go in noticed. This is indeed my intention when making the edits.
Really enjoy the show/podcast, gentlemen. Having three people with big opinions/personalities discuss watches creates conflict while maintaining a lighthearted, respectful mood, and I love it. I enjoy the dynamic between the three of you. I can sense a ton of mutual admiration for one another despite your different and unique perspectives. Keep it up!
Yep. What you are watching is truely a great reflection of their lads relationship. It’s super fun to film and see where the freight-train takes us each episode.
deal breaker for me is seeing everyone owning the same watch and thinking that they’re sick. clearly if so many people have a ‘rare limited’ watch, it’s all marketing and hype BS. it massively turns me off
So a blackbay 58 is not making it to your collection?
Yes Oris is special. I have bought three. One was their HanGang special edition that funded river cleanup in Korea. We gave it to my Korean brother-in-law, and he was moved to tears at the gift itself and at the notion that a Swiss watch company knew or cared about a river in his country.
Adrien should check out the Stowa Flieger
Bronze. They are treated so that the bronze doesn't patina. Mine is about 4 months old and basically looks the same as it did out of the box. I think he'd also appreciate the history.
Ohhh really. I’m gonna check this one out. Thanks for the tip Mike. Wow. Just did so. They are superb. And under 10mm thick. Stunning simple field watch. And open case back to. Nice one.
What pisses me off is hodinkee collabs which sell out in 3 seconds
And the crowd went wild!!!!!
Interesting topics guys. Good discussion. Enjoying the content.
Thanks BC
Thanks buddy.
Favourite episode so far
Like/agree with the sentiment. Taste is individual, embrace it!
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It’s so cool to see how different eps resonate stronger with some than others. Glad this is hitting your bell Not Enough Time.
So Andrew does not like the PloProf. And I was actually thinking he was a cool cat.
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@@AboutEffingTime Gianni Agnelli and his PloProf on the custom shirt cuff are looking at you while they are speeding away in a yellow Dino. Take a long hard look at yourself 😂😂😂😂😂
@@owarbi theme fighting words and I like it.
Absolutely loved the episode ! Would be interested in hearing your thoughts about Shinola.😊
I was in Printemps department store in Lille France this week and in the watch section, a guy serving me had the Bamford G shock on - good choice, and representing GB overseas!
Legend alert 🚨
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First time watching.....
Great personalities, Definitely be back for some more !
Awesome! Thanks for joining us Darren 👍🏻
top tier podcasting. absolutely love it all guys.
Great work guys. Keep it coming!!!
Thanks for watching buddy.
Coming your way.
A fantastic episode. One of your best in my opinion! Love the content, the banter and the conjecture! Keep it up!
Agree full heartedly with George about tourbillons. Unless it's a 3 axis cage etc etc just put it on the back like a cool Patek. How much better would that Moser vanta black be 🔥
Keep it up guys...please. By far my favorite TH-cam-Watch Program.
🙌 that’s crazy man thank you
This episode perfectly sums up how we're all similar but different. Most of the time I love all the choices in AET and here I'm listening about bronze - check, I love it, complicated crown guards - check, I love it.. most of the time now everything is rehash of something else and vintage inspired watches fits there nicely so I'm with George looking for something exciting and it can be something small, it doesn't have to be crazy ass design. Currently I'm mostly drawn to neo vintage era as I feel it's not as much prostituted like everything else. Great episode 🤘
Verdigris is the word Andrew is looking for. But Patina is also French, I believe. Not to mention Tourbillon. In fact, if you eliminate all French, you'll have a hard time desribing a lot of watch terms, perlage, guilloche, etc.
Formidable! Merci merci
“Its about time we talk about what we don’t like about the watch world”
Wait
Haven’t you practically done this for every episode so far? 😂
Yessssss
Its extremely annoying to see leather straps not properly integrated with the case leaving a gap, the exceptions being Cartier, FP Journe and the Reverso
I completely agree with you on that one Rock.
I knew what Andrew was talking about when he said nipple crowns. Tank is one of my favourite classic watches and now I cannot unsee it. Thanks man for the chuckle.
I had a feeling he was talking about a Tank, but it didn't sense as he's previously talked about wanting a Tank, and the Tank is just as much about the nipple crown as it is the case shape. He's a confusing chap!
I love this channel I had no idea it existed
My first Oris was a Williams F1 Nico Rosberg limited edition.
No one ever mentions the service/repair experience. Many years ago, I needed a crown and crown tube for an Oris commander diver- a very modest piece at the time. They refused to sell me the parts and would only give them to me if I sent the watch to Oris for a full $500 service (not including parts). Keep in mind that the watch was worth $350 at the time and a standard service on an ETA movement was $150. They lost me as a customer.
That’s why we applaud Bremont
The Commander is a cool watch. I’ve been searching eBay for one for a while and actually emailed Oris to bring it back. But I agree, service costs are tricky, especially on vintage watches.
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Adrian, you are a good man. Your efforts to foster honest discussion beyond the hype are honorable. I think a discussion about service may be worthwhile. Can independent watch repairers service/repair your XXX watch? If the "builder" used mainly Chinese sourced parts, do they even offer service? As in my case, will the watch builder refuse to sell parts? In the case of Seiko USA, they provide a well run service arm for most movements- but the Spring drives and hi beats must go back to Japan.
Watch deal breaker; date window at 4:30 on the tilt 😖
Better than at 3 but best at 6 if you have to have a date but I’d prefer no date at all.
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Maybe they were punching too many four pillars when designing.
What is that actually at 1:57? What year?
Limited editions are great only if they are actually limited. That number swings wildly brand to brand.
Hot dam it’s a large swing right?
I agree to the Bronze, except if you give me Hamilton Bronze. Because thats cheaper, so its a cool thing to do.
Maybe that’s a good way to test out the bronze world huh.
Great job once again! I always look forward to these episodes. That Seamaster 300 on the nato looked great. I’ve always kept mine on the bracelet but maybe I’ll have to try a strap.
Where do they get that Seamaster Clock on the Wall ? Can't find it. THATS CRAZY
George Bamford is a true lover of watches. All of these guys are, and it really shows. Thanks for all your passion AET!
Nothing comes close to an Explorer! Agree! For me...too!
Excellent content and banter; stimulating conversation and really looking forward to an episode about "Microbrand = fade?" 😀
Probably the weirdest watch I have is my Dietrich OT-1. It's not the most groundbreaking watch by any means, but I liked it as it really stood out, and doesn't look like anything else in my collection.
Live long and proper gentleman! By far the most enjoyable watch podcast there is! 🤘
Thank you muchly Daily Dial
Keep up the awesome podcast. My gripe is 38-39mm diameter cases but >47mm lug to lug.... its a 🌵 to small wrist folks
Wearing a green dial, Citizen Eco Drive Tsuno bullhead chrono. I do think I will still be wearing it in 5yrs time, because it will always remind me the time I wanted a Sinn Reinstopper but I did not have the balls to pull the trigger.
We all live and learn. Don’t worry. Just tune into that feeling the next time and u will pull the trigger right away.
Love seeing Oris getting so much love. They did an event at one of my ADs with an Airstream and the big bear and all the new watches. Super stiff vodka tonic, my dad left with the last Dumpster Diver they had. Awesome time, love my Aquis love the brand and I'll definitely be looking forward to some new dials in the PPX.
Every time I shoot an Oris I see them raising the bar higher and higher. Their finishes are keep improving and the progressive approach to their design is a winning formula.
Man that was a refreshing episode. All three of you nailed it. Don’t just get watches to tic off what others say you need. 👏🏻
I completely agree with you there Victor.
- As someone who likes watches bigger than 40mm I like the idea of lefty crowns so I don't have one digging into my wrist all day. I wouldn't use such watches as intended.
- Adrian's Bugbears should be the name of his channel. The Baltic about face was classic.
- Cheers for quirky watches. Too many people get squeamish or disagreeable when a watch is anything but blue or black with a traditional case. It drives me nuts. More choices means more happiness for more people.
Bamford’s battle cry right here ✊
Choice is the name of this game in the hobby. Haters will hate. Who cares. If you dig it. Then do it.
@@marcusflack1523 I have been. I also struggle with staying quiet while wanting to debate with haters of other people's choices in every comment section I come across.
My Oris Divers 65 is the watch I truly love and wear for almost everything (the Rolex OP is shut away in a box and the Grand Seiko for special occasions)
The more I film the 65. The more I’m convinced of it as something for the collection. They have just nailed it in every way. I can see why it’s such a daily wearer for you.
All George needed to say was be ‘authentic’.. if you like plain watches, explain how you like it’s simplicity. Because that’s who you are!
I still own all my watches from when I was 10 (50 now). I tend to keep them but change to something else. They are not worth trying to sell! I do have my grandfathers watches too in my collection. Looking for a diver to fit my 9" wrist now. Any ideas?