Truth of ECT th-cam.com/video/_6jxhMEbFIA/w-d-xo.html Dr. Bennett Omalu who diagnosed CTE in the NFL players is now saying same outcomes anticipated in ECT patients given the repeated brain injuries from electrical trauma. See sites ectjustice.com and site Life after ECT. Long term outcomes as well can include ALS. Increase in suicide following ECT. Their own research talks about structural brain changes from this. CA courts have proved brain injury outcomes at a minimum. No FDA testing for safety or effectiveness. Billions involved in these cover ups for decades. If you have had ECT contact the DK law group in CA to see if you can join the current national product liability suit taking place around the untested devices that deliver up to 450 volts and greater to the brain. If you were a minor when this was done there are no legal time limits to file. Once you have researched this please go on public social media and let others know what is taking place as this practice has greatly increased and patients are lied to of the harm from this. ECT "works" in that TBI causes temporary euphoria, memory loss for difficulties that led to admission, and anosognosia in that one does not recognize damages sustained. This is purely low voltage electrical trauma being passed off as mental health treatment for billions in revenues. Please help expose through conversations on Twitter and Facebook as many at risk.
This is an old comment, and I don't know if you'll be able to respond, but if you see this. May I ask, what are side effects that were permanent? I haven't had ect and have no intentions of trying either. just interested in learning more.
Hello! My name is Cecilia, I am 37 years-old, Brazilian and a physician. Despite, because of my profession, having some academic knowledge about ECT, I would like to share my experience as a former patient. I have treatment resistant depression and was initially diagnosed at 18 years-old. I did my first ECT in 2013, and again in 2017. On the 1st time I had had memory loss, specially during the course of the treatment, but also surroundig it. However, since I was a newly graduate at the time, I managed to enter a residency program and partially was able to overcome the memory damage resulting from ECT. In 2019, as of my 2nd ECT treatment, I had already finished residency as an oncologist. This time, ECT caused me even worse memory deficit, broadening from autobiographical to academic knowledge. Understandbly, redoing my residency wasn't an option and I've lost all my confidency in being an oncologist, but also simply praticing medicine. To this day I wasn't able to work again, my memory hasn't come back (contrary to what my doctors said), and now I have to deal with the traumatic past of an ECT. And, just as the "cherry of the cake", I relapsed from depression not even 6 months after completed the treatment. Bottomline... ECT "ought to be suspended immediately", not only because of the lack of scientific efficacy, but because of the significant side effects, and currently alternative options availabe for treating depression (eg ketamin and esketamine). Thank you for letting me share my history and I truly hope I can somehow contribute to raise awareness to the very polemic aspects of electroshock therapy. Best regards, Cecilia 💚💚💚
Can either of these individuals propose how to carry out a double blind study on the effectiveness of ECT? Providing sham ECT is unethical. And clearly neither of you have ever been confronted by a seriously depressed patient. Would love to see how you treat a catatonic patient. Neither of you really know what you're talking about. I challenge John Read to take over the care of a seriously depressed patient i.e. not eating and drinking, mute, catatonic, etc. Then write up a case report on how it went (patient almost certain to die if left to John Read)
This is an incredibly misguided comment - but I understand it appears to come from a place of experience and pain. I don't believe for one second that Read or Kirsch wish harm upon anyone, nor are they necessarily making the claim of a better option. What they ARE doing however is highlighting the bias in data, reporting and evidence provided for this so-called treatment in ECT. You are right that it would be nearly impossible to double-blind such a study. Regardless of the (biased) studies that do exist though, the evidence is incredibly weak. Especially for longer-term outcomes. What good is a treatment that gets a person eating again today, if they're back in hospital in 6 weeks going through it again? Surely the time, money, effort and OUTCOMES would be better trying absolutely anything else other than ECT. There is also the missing narrative component to the people's lives that we're talking about. How is shocking their brain really reflecting recovery from their lived experiences? What does it tell individuals about who they are, or how we think of them, if the only solution is to electrocute them? The perspective of mainstream psychiatry continues to be that of broken brains and people. Giving lip-service to, but doing nothing about, the evidenced social, environmental, political and power structures that actually cause the reactions in individuals that we call "mental illness".
Thank you gentlemen. Great interview. I had ect in 1975 and still have to live with the results. So pray it will be stopped.
Truth of ECT th-cam.com/video/_6jxhMEbFIA/w-d-xo.html
Dr. Bennett Omalu who diagnosed CTE in the NFL players is now saying same outcomes anticipated in ECT patients given the repeated brain injuries from electrical trauma. See sites ectjustice.com and site Life after ECT. Long term outcomes as well can include ALS. Increase in suicide following ECT. Their own research talks about structural brain changes from this. CA courts have proved brain injury outcomes at a minimum. No FDA testing for safety or effectiveness. Billions involved in these cover ups for decades. If you have had ECT contact the DK law group in CA to see if you can join the current national product liability suit taking place around the untested devices that deliver up to 450 volts and greater to the brain. If you were a minor when this was done there are no legal time limits to file. Once you have researched this please go on public social media and let others know what is taking place as this practice has greatly increased and patients are lied to of the harm from this. ECT "works" in that TBI causes temporary euphoria, memory loss for difficulties that led to admission, and anosognosia in that one does not recognize damages sustained. This is purely low voltage electrical trauma being passed off as mental health treatment for billions in revenues. Please help expose through conversations on Twitter and Facebook as many at risk.
This is an old comment, and I don't know if you'll be able to respond, but if you see this. May I ask, what are side effects that were permanent? I haven't had ect and have no intentions of trying either. just interested in learning more.
i was told to do ect. I for some reason avoided it. I am thankful for that decision.
Hello! My name is Cecilia, I am 37 years-old, Brazilian and a physician. Despite, because of my profession, having some academic knowledge about ECT, I would like to share my experience as a former patient.
I have treatment resistant depression and was initially diagnosed at 18 years-old. I did my first ECT in 2013, and again in 2017. On the 1st time I had had memory loss, specially during the course of the treatment, but also surroundig it. However, since I was a newly graduate at the time, I managed to enter a residency program and partially was able to overcome the memory damage resulting from ECT.
In 2019, as of my 2nd ECT treatment, I had already finished residency as an oncologist. This time, ECT caused me even worse memory deficit, broadening from autobiographical to academic knowledge. Understandbly, redoing my residency wasn't an option and I've lost all my confidency in being an oncologist, but also simply praticing medicine.
To this day I wasn't able to work again, my memory hasn't come back (contrary to what my doctors said), and now I have to deal with the traumatic past of an ECT. And, just as the "cherry of the cake", I relapsed from depression not even 6 months after completed the treatment.
Bottomline... ECT "ought to be suspended immediately", not only because of the lack of scientific efficacy, but because of the significant side effects, and currently alternative options availabe for treating depression (eg ketamin and esketamine).
Thank you for letting me share my history and I truly hope I can somehow contribute to raise awareness to the very polemic aspects of electroshock therapy.
Best regards,
Cecilia 💚💚💚
Actually we call it ECT in the US as well.
Can either of these individuals propose how to carry out a double blind study on the effectiveness of ECT? Providing sham ECT is unethical. And clearly neither of you have ever been confronted by a seriously depressed patient. Would love to see how you treat a catatonic patient. Neither of you really know what you're talking about. I challenge John Read to take over the care of a seriously depressed patient i.e. not eating and drinking, mute, catatonic, etc. Then write up a case report on how it went (patient almost certain to die if left to John Read)
This is an incredibly misguided comment - but I understand it appears to come from a place of experience and pain.
I don't believe for one second that Read or Kirsch wish harm upon anyone, nor are they necessarily making the claim of a better option. What they ARE doing however is highlighting the bias in data, reporting and evidence provided for this so-called treatment in ECT.
You are right that it would be nearly impossible to double-blind such a study. Regardless of the (biased) studies that do exist though, the evidence is incredibly weak. Especially for longer-term outcomes.
What good is a treatment that gets a person eating again today, if they're back in hospital in 6 weeks going through it again? Surely the time, money, effort and OUTCOMES would be better trying absolutely anything else other than ECT.
There is also the missing narrative component to the people's lives that we're talking about. How is shocking their brain really reflecting recovery from their lived experiences? What does it tell individuals about who they are, or how we think of them, if the only solution is to electrocute them? The perspective of mainstream psychiatry continues to be that of broken brains and people. Giving lip-service to, but doing nothing about, the evidenced social, environmental, political and power structures that actually cause the reactions in individuals that we call "mental illness".