No special effects, Just a window, daylight, and a table, no sound carpet (how wonderful). Why? Because these two don't need it! Just two people knowing their stuff, re-creating and telling history for us, with humor and scepticism where needed. And the most beautiful is that here, two people can be productive and inspiring and listen to each other even when they don't always agree. Wish more people learned this from you. Stellar!
This is probably the most thrillingly informative insight into great historic events by two delightful unstuffy historians? If education was driven by people of their stature perhaps society wld be better served & wld more clearly understand the value & lessons of history that shed light on our own troubled times.
Due to my upbringing in the Soviet Union, it happened that I read the Bible after the “Capital” by Marx. As I was labouring my way through the Old Testament, I was increasingly stunned by its resemblance to communist profet’s writings. In the amount of their strong and barely logical, yet super confident advice on economics, on its only correct ways of dealing with problems, and sort out the highest justice etc. Yes, completely agree with Tom. Christianity is a too strong formative aspect of European humanitarian thought for its intellectuals to escape.
Not a single human right, even as a concept, would exist ANYWHERE in the world if not for Christianity. Even in the 21st century, they’re not a consideration, never mind the law outside of Western societies.
I absolutely LOVE this show !!! I wonder if they will put this series together as a book so I can read it again. Having it all together in one book would help me a lot. This is so good!!!!
@@erikf3718But those letters, appart from the final "s", aren't silent for a french speaker... Each of them is part of the prononciation no-a-i-lle + silent 's' ...
This series on the Fr revolution has been superlative, made better by the interaction between the hosts, reminding me of Basil Brush being read a story by Mr Derek. Cultural icons
These two are absolutely fascinating to listen to. They make the history of the french revolution come alive in such a clear way. I totally love this series. 👍🏻🙏🏼
this last five minutes of your discussion of the oath of the clergy is worth all the time i have put in thus far your listening to your excellent program (and enjoying it immensely). so the french revolution was about people!! i’ve thought a lot about history rhyming its way forward as its always about what people do and not just about the trappings of ideologies. so to listen the two of you who know far more than i that all my arguing over the years is realistic and justified is a gift. 😊
Last 15 minutes were terrific!! So nice to hear someone who knows a bit of religious history. Thanks. FYI - I'm about to give a series of 8 lectures, 2 hours each, on the art history, and the political history, as well as other developments in France from 1789 to 1900. It will be a wild ride. It will be held in downtown Toronto.
I also listen to Tom Holland’s brother James Holland’s podcast with Al Murray and a common feature of both is that the topics end up taking numerous episodes to cover. James and Al’s podcast is called We Have Ways of Making You Talk and is about WW2 well worth a listen 👍
This is lovely you guys and now I need to know why you have this resentment against the Vicomte de Noailles… actually it brings to mind, but I would love to have a series of episodes, if you haven’t done them already, on the nature of the, “special relationship“ between the US and the UK, starting with theAmerican Revolution. I have some British friends that remain quite snarky regarding the Fourth of July.
....and why wouldn't they be, and of course they are? You have to understand the British lost the Revolution. Why would they want to be reminded of it? Take, for example the analogy playing in a soccer match. IF, the British were on the losing side of a soccer match do you think that they would want to be reminded of a particular game defeat, who's anniversary comes up on the same day every single year? That's like pouring salt into the wound. Your British friends know that they lost, okay. It goes without saying King George was too mentally impaired to even understand that he lost an entire colony !! Fr. Then to keep reminding anyone that's British that the United States celebrate this holiday called the 4th of July is just downright insensitive and cruel. Trust me when it comes to discussions about the 4th of July and what it stands for the British finally got the memo on that one rest assured they did.
As Fitzgerald put it, " So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past ", liberty, equality and fraternity - history unfolds and a terrible beauty is born, while all that is solid, melts into air
Speaking of the rights of Man, I thought that it would be worth a couple of words on the rights of Woman, written in September 1791, by the extraordinary figure of the activist, abolitionist, playwright and Girondine Olympe de Gouges (born Marie Gouze), who also opposed to the excessesof the revolution, the violence, and the Terror, including to the execution of Louis XVI. Robespierre had her head on the 3 of November 1793 aged 45.
has to be said everything is great, but when it comes to names of people and places it would be great if they were put up on screen (when mentioned) so we knew how they are spelt so further investigation could be done ... as some names and places are are just hard to translate from speech to words ... and it kinda kills those trains of thought
The intellectual fortitude of thinking strategically, rather than tactically, viz-aviz - constitution over price of bread is seminal. One precedes the other or can solve the latter. In the time of 1789, most other nations were not thinking so strategically. This seminal act of the French revolution became from that point forward the way to think progressively for the benefit of the people and for some other nations to think and do the same. C'est si bon !
Why (Dom asks) did the National Assembly focus on abstract statements like the Declaration of the Rights of Man, when France was bankrupt and the people were starving? Because they were a pack of upwardly mobile lawyers (as mentioned in a previous episode), who had different concerns. Robespierre himself rolled his eyes and complained about the people's obsession with "vulgar groceries".
Paraphrasing: "the idea that the elites are plotting the starvation and ruin of the country" -- ive noticed in this series there have been a few worrying resemblances to the troubling times in which we live
Of course. I’m French and each time I read or hear about the Revolution I can’t help but wonder if this is about 18th century France or 21st century France with it’s impossible budgets and people defending their small and big priviledges. And it echoes the struggle between the masses and the elites in the western world in general.
One difference between the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the U.K. Model is that it is written down and voted on as a permanent set of principals. Margaret Thatcher was happy to say, “ oh we already had this”, but her Conservative Party was happy to try to limit these rights by acts of parliament in the last government and could have done so because of the theory of the supremacy of parliament and the absence of a written constitution. Disagreeing with Priti Patel could have become a crime in the last government.
Captivating, entertaining, informative. Thanks so very much.! PS. Here I digress- deep apologies. It would be interesting, and quite sure entertaining and thought provoking if you guys put the history of WALES under your examination loop. Interesting- for me, anyway, as descendant of not-so-long ago immigrants to the US from Wales, have relatives in Wales who consider Welch as their first language, speak Welch at home, laugh when the English Prince of Wales appears on tv :" He isn't OUR prince, we have OUR OWN princes" and a toss up on which is hated most, the English or sheep? (A true Welch inspired sentence) My dad was like that. I am now an immigrant to Denmark. (The wandering Welch Person :0)? Thanks for listening. Thanks for your time.
This series, as superb as it is, would enhance it's value with accompanying illustrations/images. Talking heads are perfect for podcasting, streaming not so much.
That said, I was just admiring the cinematographic value of Dom's office with its touches of cobalt blue, and Tom's office with its more austere steel blue palette.
Not only did it put an end to the feudal system, disband a kingdom and its monarchy, and establish civil laws and fairer representation of all peoples under governance, it also served to unify and strengthen France as a country and a people.
Why dont upload the Franz Ferdinand series? Maybe the most tragic event in the last 200 years. Is really sad to listen, because you feel how easy the 20th could be different.
You’re wrong about Voltaire though. He was an enigma. In addition to attacking the church, he spoke out about tolerance for the church. And he put his money where his mouth was. He had a church built at his own expense on his estate in Ferne, and hired a Father Adam to live there. He also provided safe refuge at his estate for the Jesuits when they were expelled from France, even though they aided in his expulsion from France. The list goes on.
This episode is making me feel very uneasy. So many parallels in contemporary society. Beheadings, kings acting subserviently, conspiracy theories, depopulation by the aristocracy, storming buildings of authority, the breakdown of the bicameral form of government. The cult of self dispossession. It goes on and on.
The Revolutionary left had clearer projects to get rid of surplus population as they judged it. Actually even Malthus was a Brit Malthusianism was far more popular in France than in England.
Orthodox Christiandom is the universal church. Rome separated in 1054. There are some similarities but also significant differences. Torturing and murdering someone on the wheel is definitely not Christian, but the reaction of that wrongly accused man was. The atrocities of the French Revolution are disturbing.
As you explained the revolution had almost nothing to do with the Church or Christianity.. Rather financial ruin, tax reform delays. Which the revolutionists didn't do anything revolutionary rather pushed this orientation and actions that poor leadership didn't do a year earlier. The various groups that jumped in particularly protestants used this opportunity to push their own idealogy but has nothing to do with why France feel into ruin.. Furthermore this constitution reads very much like a copy from the USA and through the ties of Lafayette... Christianity and the Church served France very well before then
Henry the VIIIth appropriates the monasteries: "That's great, y'know? Very English!" The French Revolutionaries seize Church Land in France: "The horror. The horror."
Also seems that Christianity (and other religions and schools of thought for that matter) appropriated universal human values in the first place, so may be we are all blessed or cursed with these instinctive values and want to make sense of them all through religion, human rights, etc. BTW, a suggestion for the future episodes - the Japan-Korea-China war of 1592 and onwards? A major international conflict on the other side of the planet that doesn't get covered much here in the west. Wonder what, if any, interaction this conflict had with the west and vice versa.
@@thejoin4687 Agreed, he's a real fascinating character. A man who went from being a commoner to the highest ruler on his island, only then to further enforce a class system
The Catholic Church teaches that there is such a thing as natural moral law, which is derived from an analysis of human nature (as created by God). This natural law is available through reason and is universal (because human nature is universal)
As much as I respect him Im not convinced by 'Tom's Gambit'. He seems to fail to consider that Voltaire could have sourced his morality not from the catholic superstition that ran tge ancient regime but from Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics, which it would be ridiculous to think unstudied by Voltaire. Although the parish priests may have joined the national assembly the bishops never would. Rome and the papacy had been running europe in a so visibly corrupt way thats also ridiculous to think the people starved without wondering why the church gave no tax . The idea of the Catholic church being the font of virtue in european culture is a classic propaganda. And the renaissance? The Crusade against the Cathar's- and the Bartholomew's Day, massacre of French Huguenots (Protestants) in Paris on August 24/25, 1572, plotted by Catherine de' Medici and carried out by Roman Catholic nobles and other citizens. It was one event in the series of civil wars between Roman Catholics and Huguenots that beset France in the late 16th century are all undiscussed as possible causes for the loss of faith in the Roman representative of God.
I KNEW you'd name THE quintessential 17th c. underground Philosoph VOLTAIRE, Prof Holland!! He was my namesake's lover - guest of Frederick the Great at San Souci!!!
It states in the Bible that what we do passes down to three generations. Louis, the 14th who proclaimed to be the "Sun king," might have caused Louis the 16th to be executed by its subjects. It also brought in democracy to America, Germany, and other parts of the world. I think Louis the 14th wanted to outshine Britain. It would make sense because these two nations have been at war for many years. The monarchy of the UK is standing firm in Europe. Its language is used by more people than French.
@@LittleLouieLagazza He is entitled to his point of view, which is not 100% but relevant nevertheless : the reality is that Britain, though a much smaller country, was definitely heading the scientific and industrial revolution and had also achieved its national linguistic unity : all people in England proper and many overseas communities could then understand each other (despite the awful class differences), while such a result would be achieved by France only through the second half of the XIXth century and with much more pain, despite the fact that French was the favourite language of the diplomatic class world-wide (in great part due to the British ruling class' pressure who had assessed that elite French speakers did not defend the French nation's interests but their class and therefore formed a winning arena for British interests). Louis XIV through at the head of much bigger country than England was clearly trying to catch up with what Britain and Holland were doing sometimes with great success but not in all domains : France had not lost its power but it had lost the initiative of the game.
The red white and blue of the coquette couldn't possibly be a reference to the USA's flag then? You know, La Fayette and all that? I suppose we have to keep that quiet in case the French realise their flag is derived from the St Patrick, St Andrew and St George flags. I like to think the English have at least attempted to maintain a link with their heritage. No real "year zero".
Hmm..but...It separated Church and State for the first time in Europe. It reformed family law, giving women and men equality in inheritance, secularizing marriage, and permitting divorce for the first time in France. It criminalized violence against women. It decriminalized homosexuality.
I think he is claiming that Christians and non-Christians in a Christian culture are formed by that culture. Christian culture would be particularly sensitized to this issue because its founder was tortured to death, and the instrument of that torture and reflections on it are very much central.
One of the points of this video was to show that the Declaration of the Rights of Man didn’t come out of nowhere. There was an english Bill of Rights in 1689 and the american Bill of Rights was adopted in 1789. Furthermore the ECHR was incorporated into UK law in 1998.
"The nation can only mean the area in which the natives speak the same language. Didn't anybody in the revolutionary years - or later on - think about that?
@@ulrikjensen6841 I personally am certain they did history always being more thought out than we would expect and what might be spontaneous is always overtaken and used for other purposes.
All the French did was a redo of what the Americans did before. And the English. Nothing original. Your admiration of the crazy insanity of the French is funny. The 'Rights of Man' is just a rewrite of the Magna Carta, the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Like your show, but really, a little silly in your insistence that the French Revolution was somehow unique and special. Maybe it was, for the Catholic countries. But then again, Henry the 8th had already booted the Catholic church out of England centuries before.
Watched the first video in this series, i was disappointed in both your attutudes to MA about her ability to read, looked into it a little, the woman looked as though she could of had ADHD or something similar, but you gave no insight into this as a possibility, and were quite disparaging and stuck up about it, some conext could have been useful here to your audience instead of just putting her down for it
They weren't disparaging her, they were offering commentary and discussing her. Seriously, no one cares about your feelings, bugger off with the ADHD it is of no consequence to the facts of history.
If you’d told me a week ago that watching two dudes talking to one another would be a riveting experience, I would not have believed you.
The new Smith and Jones.
I'm exactly where you were 2 weeks ago, can't put it down.
Isn’t it surprisingly riveting? And so educational- and there are touch points to our current time
Everything that undermines Vast Broadcasting Companies.
Pooftar's but yeah interesting
Just binge watching totally. I would like another ten episodes. Can't get enough of these guys. Brilliant.
No special effects, Just a window, daylight, and a table, no sound carpet (how wonderful). Why? Because these two don't need it! Just two people knowing their stuff, re-creating and telling history for us, with humor and scepticism where needed. And the most beautiful is that here, two people can be productive and inspiring and listen to each other even when they don't always agree. Wish more people learned this from you. Stellar!
Yes, indeed. These two don't need gimmicks to grab our attention and hold it. They're just great, great storytellers.
This is probably the most thrillingly informative insight into great historic events by two delightful unstuffy historians? If education was driven by people of their stature perhaps society wld be better served & wld more clearly understand the value & lessons of history that shed light on our own troubled times.
Best history info on TH-cam ❤ encouraging art and history students to listen to this series.
Absolutely thrilled to have found this channel...thoroughly addicted!
You guys are providing an absolutely excellent service. Thank you so much for this.
Due to my upbringing in the Soviet Union, it happened that I read the Bible after the “Capital” by Marx. As I was labouring my way through the Old Testament, I was increasingly stunned by its resemblance to communist profet’s writings. In the amount of their strong and barely logical, yet super confident advice on economics, on its only correct ways of dealing with problems, and sort out the highest justice etc.
Yes, completely agree with Tom. Christianity is a too strong formative aspect of European humanitarian thought for its intellectuals to escape.
Not a single human right, even as a concept, would exist ANYWHERE in the world if not for Christianity.
Even in the 21st century, they’re not a consideration, never mind the law outside of Western societies.
You're RIGHT! The Sermon on the Mount reverberates through the Rights of Man, Professor Holland
...interesting to note, Mandela and Ghandi knew the sermon on the mount word for word.
absolutely brilliant and might i add horribly prescient at times... gawd elp us.
I absolutely LOVE this show !!! I wonder if they will put this series together as a book so I can read it again. Having it all together in one book would help me a lot. This is so good!!!!
This is fantastic. Well done Gents 😊
Thanks from France! le comte de Noailles you can pronounce it " No-eye" just 2 vowels 😉
Honestly, that's ridiculous. All those letters for 2 syllables. There's nothing more useless than a silent letter.
@@erikf3718But those letters, appart from the final "s", aren't silent for a french speaker... Each of them is part of the prononciation no-a-i-lle + silent 's' ...
Fabulous history videos!!!
Voltaire's work is so very FUNNY - YOU TWO help create "THE BEST OF ALL POSSIBLE WORLDS" Thank You Both Kindly. Semper Fidelis
This series on the Fr revolution has been superlative, made better by the interaction between the hosts, reminding me of Basil Brush being read a story by Mr Derek. Cultural icons
They have great chemistry!
Boom! Boom!
lol
Yeah... I think you're on to something there.
Great work. 👍 I am glued 👊
Never thought l would hear Feargal Sharkey mentioned in a podcast about The French Revolution 😊
This is a great series. Thanks
Brilliant stuff well delivered with a touch of good humoured rubbing of our cousins across La Manche/The Channel 👍
Loving this series. Revisiting an A level with years of wisdom in between.
Likewise!
This series is awesome!!!
Brilliant. Thank you guys!
It's helpful that Tom Holland is religiously literate: he shows understanding for the dilemma for the Catholic clergy.
These two are absolutely fascinating to listen to. They make the history of the french revolution come alive in such a clear way. I totally love this series. 👍🏻🙏🏼
this last five minutes of your discussion of the oath of the clergy is worth all the time i have put in thus far your listening to your excellent program (and enjoying it immensely). so the french revolution was about people!! i’ve thought a lot about history rhyming its way forward as its always about what people do and not just about the trappings of ideologies. so to listen the two of you who know far more than i that all my arguing over the years is realistic and justified is a gift. 😊
This series is essential.
Last 15 minutes were terrific!! So nice to hear someone who knows a bit of religious history. Thanks. FYI - I'm about to give a series of 8 lectures, 2 hours each, on the art history, and the political history, as well as other developments in France from 1789 to 1900. It will be a wild ride. It will be held in downtown Toronto.
Great! Thanks!!! 💙💙💙💙💙🦩⚜️⚜️⚜️⚜️⚜️⚜️⚜️
How many parts are there planned for this series? Really enjoying it!
There are 8 episodes total on Spotify. They've since moved on to other topics.
Well, that depends on if you think the French revolution ever actually ended. I think they are onto their 5th or 6th Republic, aren't they?
I also listen to Tom Holland’s brother James Holland’s podcast with Al Murray and a common feature of both is that the topics end up taking numerous episodes to cover.
James and Al’s podcast is called We Have Ways of Making You Talk and is about WW2 well worth a listen 👍
@@nigeh5326 Me too! Both are brilliant.
I think they said they would return to it later in the year
Loved DOMINION Prof Holland!!
Interesting that you finally mentioned Cromwell.
This is lovely you guys and now I need to know why you have this resentment against the Vicomte de Noailles… actually it brings to mind, but I would love to have a series of episodes, if you haven’t done them already, on the nature of the, “special relationship“ between the US and the UK, starting with theAmerican Revolution. I have some British friends that remain quite snarky regarding the Fourth of July.
....and why wouldn't they be, and of course they are? You have to understand the British lost the Revolution. Why would they want to be reminded of it?
Take, for example the analogy playing in a soccer match. IF, the British were on the losing side of a soccer match do you think that they would want to be reminded of a particular game defeat, who's anniversary comes up on the same day every single year? That's like pouring salt into the wound. Your British friends know that they lost, okay. It goes without saying King George was too mentally impaired to even understand that he lost an entire colony !! Fr. Then to keep reminding anyone that's British that the United States celebrate this holiday called the 4th of July is just downright insensitive and cruel.
Trust me when it comes to discussions about the 4th of July and what it stands for the British finally got the memo on that one rest assured they did.
As Fitzgerald put it, " So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past ", liberty, equality and fraternity - history unfolds and a terrible beauty is born, while all that is solid, melts into air
I appreciate your DEEP INSIGHTS on property & sovereignty, Professor Holland!!! 🤗💯
4:30pm? I can't wait that long.
Speaking of the rights of Man, I thought that it would be worth a couple of words on the rights of Woman, written in September 1791, by the extraordinary figure of the activist, abolitionist, playwright and Girondine Olympe de Gouges (born Marie Gouze), who also opposed to the excessesof the revolution, the violence, and the Terror, including to the execution of Louis XVI. Robespierre had her head on the 3 of November 1793 aged 45.
Phenomenal episode 👏
Thanks!
has to be said everything is great, but when it comes to names of people and places it would be great if they were put up on screen (when mentioned) so we knew how they are spelt so further investigation could be done ... as some names and places are are just hard to translate from speech to words ... and it kinda kills those trains of thought
Fantastic series
Amazing series,
Bingeing bingeing bingeing ❤
The intellectual fortitude of thinking strategically, rather than tactically, viz-aviz - constitution over price of bread is seminal. One precedes the other or can solve the latter. In the time of 1789, most other nations were not thinking so strategically. This seminal act of the French revolution became from that point forward the way to think progressively for the benefit of the people and for some other nations to think and do the same. C'est si bon !
52 minutes...... Tom, legend. 😊
Surprised to not hear a mention of Rousseau.
yes... the begetter of false babies
Thank you : )
Why (Dom asks) did the National Assembly focus on abstract statements like the Declaration of the Rights of Man, when France was bankrupt and the people were starving? Because they were a pack of upwardly mobile lawyers (as mentioned in a previous episode), who had different concerns. Robespierre himself rolled his eyes and complained about the people's obsession with "vulgar groceries".
No Taxation without Representation, Gentlemen!!
Paraphrasing: "the idea that the elites are plotting the starvation and ruin of the country" -- ive noticed in this series there have been a few worrying resemblances to the troubling times in which we live
Of course. I’m French and each time I read or hear about the Revolution I can’t help but wonder if this is about 18th century France or 21st century France with it’s impossible budgets and people defending their small and big priviledges. And it echoes the struggle between the masses and the elites in the western world in general.
@@didfet5496 And the paranoia.
@@le13579 Nah there is no paranoia when the elites are genuinely out to get us peasants.
The elites really want us to die now though.
French subtitles for this series would change the world! How 'bout it??
One difference between the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the U.K. Model is that it is written down and voted on as a permanent set of principals. Margaret Thatcher was happy to say, “ oh we already had this”, but her Conservative Party was happy to try to limit these rights by acts of parliament in the last government and could have done so because of the theory of the supremacy of parliament and the absence of a written constitution.
Disagreeing with Priti Patel could have become a crime in the last government.
Captivating, entertaining, informative. Thanks so very much.! PS. Here I digress- deep apologies.
It would be interesting, and quite sure entertaining and thought provoking if you guys put the history of WALES under your examination loop. Interesting- for me, anyway, as descendant of not-so-long ago immigrants to the US from Wales, have relatives in Wales who consider Welch as their first language, speak Welch at home, laugh when the English Prince of Wales appears on tv :" He isn't OUR prince, we have OUR OWN princes" and a toss up on which is hated most, the English or sheep? (A true Welch inspired sentence) My dad was like that. I am now an immigrant to Denmark. (The wandering Welch Person :0)? Thanks for listening. Thanks for your time.
+1 please
@@LittleLouieLagazza Thank you so much! Warms my "wandering" heart :0) 1
"The nstion" can only mean the area in which the natives have a common language. Wonder if anybody in 1789 -1815 ever did think about that?
Rights of Man quickly ignored.
This series, as superb as it is, would enhance it's value with accompanying illustrations/images. Talking heads are perfect for podcasting, streaming not so much.
No. Fine as it is, thanks. If in doubt, read a book.
That said, I was just admiring the cinematographic value of Dom's office with its touches of cobalt blue, and Tom's office with its more austere steel blue palette.
No need , they are so compelling I don’t watch them
, I LISTEN. They are superb
We love a talking head.
This is a podcast not a BBC historical.
Not only did it put an end to the feudal system, disband a kingdom and its monarchy, and establish civil laws and fairer representation of all peoples under governance, it also served to unify and strengthen France as a country and a people.
Why dont upload the Franz Ferdinand series? Maybe the most tragic event in the last 200 years. Is really sad to listen, because you feel how easy the 20th could be different.
Coming soon to a theatre near you
I wonder how many books Tom reads in a year
Tom should certainly dye his hair blonde
You’re wrong about Voltaire though. He was an enigma. In addition to attacking the church, he spoke out about tolerance for the church. And he put his money where his mouth was. He had a church built at his own expense on his estate in Ferne, and hired a Father Adam to live there. He also provided safe refuge at his estate for the Jesuits when they were expelled from France, even though they aided in his expulsion from France.
The list goes on.
Voltaire was bad......period....he did more to harm Catholic France than any war or pleague.....
Dominic has become a GP in the thumbnail.
This episode is making me feel very uneasy. So many parallels in contemporary society.
Beheadings, kings acting subserviently, conspiracy theories, depopulation by the aristocracy, storming buildings of authority, the breakdown of the bicameral form of government. The cult of self dispossession. It goes on and on.
The Revolutionary left had clearer projects to get rid of surplus population as they judged it. Actually even Malthus was a Brit Malthusianism was far more popular in France than in England.
Dom does come across as pretty heartless. Laughing at a starving woman who is old before her time is pretty brutal.
Is it just me ?….all this sounds eerily like what is happening in the USA right now !!!!
Did you cover the Rise of the Vende
Why could History Class at School be like this??
Muito interessante
Theres been a Lord Miles in every time period.
....so, was Voltaire buried in France, or in Greece?
Orthodox Christiandom is the universal church. Rome separated in 1054. There are some similarities but also significant differences. Torturing and murdering someone on the wheel is definitely not Christian, but the reaction of that wrongly accused man was. The atrocities of the French Revolution are disturbing.
But Orthodox Christendom is not united so how can it be the universal church? In order to be universal, it must be one and undivided.
@@richardyates7280 the orthodox churches ARE united. Who is Rome united with?
The French revolution led to communism, which slaughtered orthodox christians in Russia.......this cannot be overstated....😢
As you explained the revolution had almost nothing to do with the Church or Christianity.. Rather financial ruin, tax reform delays. Which the revolutionists didn't do anything revolutionary rather pushed this orientation and actions that poor leadership didn't do a year earlier.
The various groups that jumped in particularly protestants used this opportunity to push their own idealogy but has nothing to do with why France feel into ruin..
Furthermore this constitution reads very much like a copy from the USA and through the ties of Lafayette... Christianity and the Church served France very well before then
Prof Sandbrook is quite the Patriot! DON'T YOU KNOW IT ALL PEAKED BEFORE 1 JULY 1916?? 🌎🇺🇸🇬🇧 in that order
Henry the VIIIth appropriates the monasteries: "That's great, y'know? Very English!"
The French Revolutionaries seize Church Land in France: "The horror. The horror."
Also seems that Christianity (and other religions and schools of thought for that matter) appropriated universal human values in the first place, so may be we are all blessed or cursed with these instinctive values and want to make sense of them all through religion, human rights, etc. BTW, a suggestion for the future episodes - the Japan-Korea-China war of 1592 and onwards? A major international conflict on the other side of the planet that doesn't get covered much here in the west. Wonder what, if any, interaction this conflict had with the west and vice versa.
Toyotomi deserves his own series.
Indeed, and the ripple effect his ambition had on the entire geopolitical order of the time in that region
Where did Christianity appropriate universal human rights from?
@@thejoin4687 Agreed, he's a real fascinating character. A man who went from being a commoner to the highest ruler on his island, only then to further enforce a class system
The Catholic Church teaches that there is such a thing as natural moral law, which is derived from an analysis of human nature (as created by God). This natural law is available through reason and is universal (because human nature is universal)
Note that the civil constitution of the clergy guaranteed clerical salaries at a time of deep economic uncertainty
Why they didn’t say Marie Antoilette at 20.15 is completely beyond me
Of course they're not reading Voltaire, most of them can't read ...
As much as I respect him Im not convinced by 'Tom's Gambit'. He seems to fail to consider that
Voltaire could have sourced his morality not from the catholic superstition that ran tge ancient regime but from Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics, which it would be ridiculous to think unstudied by Voltaire.
Although the parish priests may have joined the national assembly the bishops never would. Rome and the papacy had been running europe in a so visibly corrupt way thats also ridiculous to think the people starved without wondering why the church gave no tax . The idea of the Catholic church being the font of virtue in european culture is a classic propaganda. And the renaissance? The Crusade against the Cathar's- and the Bartholomew's Day, massacre of French Huguenots (Protestants) in Paris on August 24/25, 1572, plotted by Catherine de' Medici and carried out by Roman Catholic nobles and other citizens. It was one event in the series of civil wars between Roman Catholics and Huguenots that beset France in the late 16th century are all undiscussed as possible causes for the loss of faith in the Roman representative of God.
Riveting!
The looming spectre of Sharma glares down from his celestial realm at our heroes' puny efforts.
I KNEW you'd name THE quintessential 17th c. underground Philosoph VOLTAIRE, Prof Holland!! He was my namesake's lover - guest of Frederick the Great at San Souci!!!
Rubbish and nonsense. Back to your cave!
It states in the Bible that what we do passes down to three generations. Louis, the 14th who proclaimed to be the "Sun king," might have caused Louis the 16th to be executed by its subjects. It also brought in democracy to America, Germany, and other parts of the world. I think Louis the 14th wanted to outshine Britain. It would make sense because these two nations have been at war for many years. The monarchy of the UK is standing firm in Europe. Its language is used by more people than French.
Are you blind, or simply being ignorant today?
@@LittleLouieLagazza He is entitled to his point of view, which is not 100% but relevant nevertheless : the reality is that Britain, though a much smaller country, was definitely heading the scientific and industrial revolution and had also achieved its national linguistic unity : all people in England proper and many overseas communities could then understand each other (despite the awful class differences), while such a result would be achieved by France only through the second half of the XIXth century and with much more pain, despite the fact that French was the favourite language of the diplomatic class world-wide (in great part due to the British ruling class' pressure who had assessed that elite French speakers did not defend the French nation's interests but their class and therefore formed a winning arena for British interests). Louis XIV through at the head of much bigger country than England was clearly trying to catch up with what Britain and Holland were doing sometimes with great success but not in all domains : France had not lost its power but it had lost the initiative of the game.
To paulist not evangelical enough
The red white and blue of the coquette couldn't possibly be a reference to the USA's flag then?
You know, La Fayette and all that?
I suppose we have to keep that quiet in case the French realise their flag is derived from the St Patrick, St Andrew and St George flags.
I like to think the English have at least attempted to maintain a link with their heritage. No real "year zero".
Hmm..but...It separated Church and State for the first time in Europe. It reformed family law, giving women and men equality in inheritance, secularizing marriage, and permitting divorce for the first time in France. It criminalized violence against women. It decriminalized homosexuality.
Which is why it was bad......
Wow😂 @@mayachico9766
Lol Tom Holland seriously thinks only Christians are disturbed by witnessing torture.
I think he is claiming that Christians and non-Christians in a Christian culture are formed by that culture. Christian culture would be particularly sensitized to this issue because its founder was tortured to death, and the instrument of that torture and reflections on it are very much central.
England didn't have all those Rights of Man. One could we haven't yet.
One of the points of this video was to show that the Declaration of the Rights of Man didn’t come out of nowhere. There was an english Bill of Rights in 1689 and the american Bill of Rights was adopted in 1789. Furthermore the ECHR was incorporated into UK law in 1998.
"The nation can only mean the area in which the natives speak the same language.
Didn't anybody in the revolutionary years - or later on - think about that?
Ohhh how profound 😂
@@ulrikjensen6841 That was absolutely not the case in France in 1789. Most people didn’t speak French.
@@ulrikjensen6841 I personally am certain they did history always being more thought out than we would expect and what might be spontaneous is always overtaken and used for other purposes.
All the French did was a redo of what the Americans did before. And the English. Nothing original. Your admiration of the crazy insanity of the French is funny. The 'Rights of Man' is just a rewrite of the Magna Carta, the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Like your show, but really, a little silly in your insistence that the French Revolution was somehow unique and special. Maybe it was, for the Catholic countries. But then again, Henry the 8th had already booted the Catholic church out of England centuries before.
LMAO You can’t be serious
@@GoBlueGirl78 I was at the time. Then again, I'd had a few beer.
Watched the first video in this series, i was disappointed in both your attutudes to MA about her ability to read, looked into it a little, the woman looked as though she could of had ADHD or something similar, but you gave no insight into this as a possibility, and were quite disparaging and stuck up about it, some conext could have been useful here to your audience instead of just putting her down for it
They weren't disparaging her, they were offering commentary and discussing her. Seriously, no one cares about your feelings, bugger off with the ADHD it is of no consequence to the facts of history.
If I looked like a peeled boiled potato in spectacles, I would not be so eager to criticize the appearances of other people, the French included.
Bourgy history. By the fat one.