@@williamalexander9485because lov played on shit teams. So when LBJ doesn’t have help, they use that as an excuse when anybody else doesn’t have help, they say that they play good on bad teams, capping for lebron
@@discokidd1264 The concept of being a lottery pick is that you end up going to a bad team just like LeBron went to a 17 win team out of high school and doubled the win total in his rookie season. What are you talking about. He took his team to the finals at age 22. Michael Jordan doesn’t have a winning season without Scottie Pippen. Wade only won with either Shaq or Lebron. Bosh never made it past the first round without LeBron. So what is your point
@@rikaiturner2713 tell me....what has Lebron been blamed for? When has he been blamed for the 6 NBA Finals losses on his record? It's always we had injuries , my role players weren't good enough to win , the coach was terrible and needs to be fired , the GM is terrible not getting Bron enough help , Bron played this whole Finals series with a dam near broke hand , Bron's fellow Superteam teammates started to get old , and on and on.
LeBron did not make his teammates better, just absorbed the stats of his teammates. This is evident in his uncontested rebounds, which are among the one of the best in the league. LeBron's style of play doesn't change no matter who he's with. He just wanted his role player teammates to be an All-Star or All-NBA caliber by making Big3 multiple times.
So who exactly won a title before and after Lebron? Wade? Who made significant noise in the playoffs without LeBron? Wade? 😅😅😅😅😅😅 When players join forces their numbers will dip. Prime example is Bostons big 3 or Wilt Chamberlain to LA. It's called sacrifice and deferment, 0layers usually do that in order to win
@@simonhowell4486 lebrons numbers don’t dip because he forces other players to change their game to fit around him. And I hate when people make it seem like Lebron won these championships for these guys. He’s literally teaming up with multiple franchise guys.
Wade ruined his legacy by teaming up with Bron. It would have been better to win that single championship as the man yet instead he now was overshadowed by a loser. Those years being the role player overshadows his greatness.
@@jamaals4445 remember when kobe bryant got on national TV and said Shaq cheated on his wife, then said Shaq paid over a million in hush money 💵... would you compare that to making your teammates better or worse? I'll wait for your response
Yeah this narrative of lebron making his team mates better is just the same BS narratives like he is a good defender, an efficient shooter, high basketball IQ, or he is a pass first guy! 😂
@@paulusrumanouw3176 It's pathetic , literally every other LeFraud vid out here just getting straight sheit talked at and laughed at but the morons consider this crying. I guess to the mfs the moment that made him the goat was LeFraud getting his azz carried of the court vs the spurs suffering cramps 😂😂😂😂😂 I'm gonna a go cry some more now
@@abner0584just like their clown king of the circus, sitting out of games he knows he will not be able to stat pad, stat padding vs weak teams, playing tough vs smaller defenders , etc the usual legendary IQ that has lead this fraud to not 4 not 5 , 6 finals loses
Wade was my guy and I was so disappointed when lebron came to Miami. I felt like wade was the next Dude and at that time just him and Bosh could’ve won the title that first year. They would’ve had more money to put better supporting cast and as wade showed in the Finals he was the dude and Bosh would’ve been better without lebron.
@@tcmb3434Wade won without any help. With Bosh he could have won. Lebron got lucky in the win against SA. Ray Allen saved the day much like Kyrie did against GS.
Wade messed up his career arc by teaming up with LeBALCO… Wade had a chip without him and had the clutch in him… yet he teamed up and then deferred to LeMedia. Worst career move.
@@BeLegendary610Wade will when not a single NBA fan will ever consider him even top 50 because he was a lbj teammate and to push the lbj narrative his teammates have to be undersold as role guys.
@@christophercox936 Nonsense, Its been publically stated Bron and Wade were conspiring to teamup years before they did. They tried to get Carmelo Anthony yet he went to NY instead. Bosh was the alternative.
The real difference is LeBron seeks out the best players in the league to play with so of course numbers will dip but Jordan just won with whatever he had🤷🏾♂️
LeBron is better with ball in his hands than pretty much every player ever. That’s dumb to think he would take an off ball role. Think before you speak bro you sound dumb. Why should LeBron sacrifice touches to Kevin Love? That’s low IQ basketball.
Well if it’s facts you’re interested in what was Kevin Love’s Kyrie Irving’s Dwyane Wade’s and Anthony Davis’s careers before and after, where applicable playing with LeBron.
They were so many all-stars before playing w Lebron and none of them had much of a career after no longer playing with him. Kyrie went thru hell and back just to get where he was last year with Mavs. Antwan Jamison is forgotten from first stint in Cleveland. avg 21 pts and 9 reb the year before. Larry Hughes was the best free agent when he went to Cleveland. 22pte 6 reb 5 assist before Lebron. Shaq avg 18pts w Suns before Lebron, his point went up even after he left Miami and won 4th ring. Russell Westbrook avg 22/11/11 the year before joining Lebron.
Due to his age, LeBron has been letting others play. But in almost all of his games he has not given up the last pass, controlling the team's rhythm, deciding who will shoot, etc. Only in the 2008 team and perhaps now we see him playing without wanting everything just for himself. When they called coach Blatt from FIBA to the Cavs, Real Madrid, European champion, where the collective is more important, LeBron told them to swear at the coach's ass.
I think that to solidify the notion that Lebron doesn't make his teammates better, he should be compared to someone who actually does, who better for that than the one accused for stat padding? Nikola Jokic. Nikola averages more points, rebounds and assists than LeBron, but no one says he makes his teammates better, and a quick analysis of their games and how they assist their teammates will show you, without an ounce of a doubt, that LeBron gets undeserved praise due to narratives and star power (by name) while Jokic causes a huge impact on his team, running plays on their favor yet he gets called a stat padder.
LOL, I like how you said you didn't know but then made an assumption anyways. Pippen's numbers did go up a little bit when Jordan first retired. Right about in line with the little dip in numbers referred to in this video. But that's expected when you start playing with a better player, only so many stats to go around for the whole team. Also they didn't win 6 in a row because Jordan took almost 2 years off in-between 2 different 3 peats.
@@ryanhoyt8369Pip’ averaged an astounding THREE WHOLE POINTS when MJ left. Along with gaining .5 Reb and 1 less Assist a game 🤣🤣🤣 Wth are you even talking about??? 🤦🏽♂️
You do know LeBron is 4th all time in assist and jumps to 2nd all time in assist during the playoffs? Sounds like a guy that likes to pass to his team mates too me!!
Yes it’s a lot easier to be defended in the finals by Dan Majerle Richard Dumas post drug rehab Byron Scott Byron Russell Buck Williams Clyde Drexler in the NBA Finals. Imagine 3x All defensive wings in 6 finals. Jordan must be the 🐐for that alone
No. Quite the contrary actually. He made Almost all of his teammates better. Pau, Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic, Bynum, Luke Walton, Trevor Ariza, Derek Fisher. All those guys got paid and had career years after playing with him
Thank you for finally making this video. I've been saying this for years and when I say years I'm talking about well before the pandemic even started. But I've been so on this. You've actually missed a couple. From day one he was playing with people that averaged 20 points a game or more and as soon as they started playing with him they would drop by a large margin. Ricky Davis averaged 20 points a game before LeBron went down to 15 Anton Jameson and Larry Hughes both average 20 points a game prior to playing with LeBron and both dropped to 15 after playing with LeBron and what makes this even worse is that both of them play together alongside Gilbert arenas and all three in the same season. Averaged 20 points a game but by themselves neither of them could average 20 lb a game with LeBron.
I agree with most of the content of this video. However, there is one player who certainly played way better because of LeBron; Matthew Dellavedova. He was playing so good, there was brief talk that he could be Finals MVP after the Cavs took a 2-1 lead. Then the refs started calling touch fouls on him, LeBron ran out of gas, and the Cavs collapsed.
LeBron fans actually try to use the success of the 1993/94 Bulls _against_ Jordan. But that season actually proves the opposite of what they try to argue. First of all, the on court leaders of that particular Bulls squad were Pippen, Horace and BJ. All three guys had grown up playing with Michael and learned how to be champions playing beside him. So when he Jordan retired, the habits that they developed while playing with MJ continued forward through that 93 season. The Bulls roster also added talent that year as well. So while Jordan was missing, the Bulls' were a deeper team than the year before. Kobe once did an interview where they asked him about this notion of "making teammates better". Kobe said "if you actually make guys better, they should be able to compete even when you're not there. Passing guys the ball isn't making them better. Making guys better is about passing on some of your own competitive DNA unto them. " And that is what Jordan was able to do to with his Bulls teammates.
Wade's career got sabotaged by Bron. The King Snake came slithering only to choke in 2011. Won 2, lost another won and then left Wade when LeBron doesn't have use for him anymore. Would've respected Wade's career more and I'm sure if it was only him and Chris Bosh, with a slew of good role players they would've still contended in the East, instead of recruiting "no loyalty - statpadding" Bron. Then the Original King Snake "went home" to Cleveland because he saw fresh meat with Kyrie and the stole Kevin Love from Wolves only to make him a spot up shooter. When KD got called a snake, he atleast factually improved the team, LeBron gets his stats, but actually is detrimental to the entire team. LeBron is the most self-centered basketball player ever.
Bosh got out of the first, Wade won 2 rings, Love has only made the playoffs twice without LeBron in 16 years, Kyrie took 7 years to get past the second round without LeBron. They all improved🤷♂️🤷♂️
More people are realizing this lol Bron is a willing passer but he has never made anyone better he actually takes away from players game unlike a player like Magic Johnson who indeed actually made players better around him
Scottie made Michael Jordan better. Jordan has zero winning seasons without Scottie, he’s 1-9 in the playoffs, and 182-228 in the regular season without Scottie as a teammate . That’s making a Mofo better😂😂😂
I'm gonna repeat the same question I've asked on other channels looking for someone to answer. Can someone please explain why people think longevity is metric of comparison please. Since the 2000's players have had access to 1) Injury Prevention and Risk Diagnosis Medical Tech 2) Personalized Nutrition and Genomics Tailored Training 4) Robotic Exoskeletons to Assist in Rehabilitation 5) Gene Therapy 6) Physiotherapy in both 6) Electrotherapy and 7) Cryotherapy 8) Telehealth Medicine 9) Stem Cells I can add more but these where some of not all of them. Plus theirs also some that were available in the 90's but we're either to expensive or not as advanced like robotic assisted surgery and MRI technology. Doctors didn't have the same access to knowledge or the same level variety of drugs like today. Hell mf's barely started having dial up internet in most homes in the early 2000's. Players didn't have as much money as today either. They were paid by their performance not for what the could potential do. So why would players not be able to play longer and be more healthy when they have the luxury of spending millions a year on their body. Tell me what's more impressive seriously accomplishing all the stats and trophy's everything over a 20+ year career or accomplishing more in half the that time with more physicality and greater risk of injury. If players sit out more games, don't have to give as much effort on defense if they choose, are able to spend millions a year on their body, don't have to worry about the physicality why would they not be able to play more years. Don't get me started on how LeBron doesn't always put the same level of effort in on defense as he does on offense so he unreliable at best lets not pretend like because he could play defense that it's good enough. If he could he would. If we're playing a competitive sport why would you pick and choose when you wanna be competitive. You play to win your supposed to give if your all. LeBron stopped title chasing and started stat chasing that's why he likes to sit out on more challenging teams like when he the doctors told him he needed to rest his hurt ankle for a day. Why would a doctor ask you to rest it for only a day if it was serious enough they suggest you sit out it would be for more then one game it takes time to heal but the next nights he plays the game with no visible strain and no less minutes played but against a easier opponent. He can scores 40 points against a average team and then sit out the next game like he's to tired or hurt. He's only played all 82 games twice in his hole career. LeBron has been pretending for years now he's so old this might the year he retires for about 5 years now why because everything he does becomes more amazing when you think he's so old he might retire but I promise you he has at least a 25 year career. He puts less strain on his body by spending less effort playing all out, takes more time off to recover and spends more money on his body then every NBA player in NBA history. He will have at least a 25 year career mark my words. Todays players and fans use longevity as a metric because they don't appreciate the luxuries they have. They think everyone must have had the same doctors healthcare money technologies and every other advantage to play as long as them and then act like they some how shouldn't be more athletic. Most think athleticism is skill and talent. Longevity is only a metric when you compare players with the same advantages. So please tell me why they thought longevity should be used because it's the only metric LeBron is guaranteed that MJ couldn't win. I really want someone to try explaining longevity now anyone.
This idea that LeBron fans try to push about him making his teammates better is downright insulting to the intelligence of anybody with even a fraction of a brain. Never in my life have I seen a player who was average on his own, who then suddenly flourished and broke out while playing with LeBron. What I have seen on the other hand, is big time star players who fizzled down to glorified role players the instant they joined with LeBron. I've seen that many times. LeBron is the greatest prima Donna in professional basketball history. When he's on a team EVERYTHING has to be about him. The team is built around maintaining HIS talent and HIS stats. Teammates are forced to sacrifice their normal game age play in ways that isn't natural for them so that they can maximise HIS effectiveness. He doesn't make players better. He destroys their careers. Like a leech he sucks the life out of every team he goes to and every player he plays with. He sucks it all up until there's no more life left there and all that's left is a husk...then he moves on to the next place and does it all again. He's the most destructive force in the history of the game, and the only reason he's able to do this (when no other player ever could) is because the NBA has groomed him from the age of 17/18 to be "the prodigy" and have gotten off their knees for him.
comparisons to mj will gradually stop as soon as lebron retires. nba media and these so called lebron lickers are just milking on lebrons popularity and as soon as he quits, no one will be talking about him
He arguably makes players better the least of any "superstar" I've ever seen play if we are being honest. One of the largest sample sizes to examine too.
LeBron's game is suited to play with role players, but his ceiling is first/2nd round exits or finals in weak ass in depleted conferences. To make it all the way he needs a star to do what stars do, but since he has the ball all the time they have to do their thing on role player usage rate
You can look up the stats: Lebrons teammates averaged less Ppg career as his teammate vs not his teammate .. The opposite is actually true for MJ.. Jordans teammatws had their best numbers in cumulative seasons as his teammate and less away from him.. LeBalco klutch media won’t say this tho
Where you getting your numbers from? Pippen's number went up when Jordan retired the fist time and dipped back down when Jordan retuned. The difference is about the same as the differences referred to in this video. But all of that should be expected when you go from being the the best player on the team to second or third best player on the team.
He has NEVER made them better. He just gice them shots whenever the double team comes. ALL of their producion has gone down when they played with him. Bosh, Love and AD. Kryie and Wade was very little. But he has NEVER made them better. The HEAT organization made Lebron less passive. But he has always been a PASSIVE player before joining the Heat. GOAT Jordan has NEVER played passive. Which is why this goat conversation is so stupid. LEBRON is not even on Kobe level. Dont even get close to Jordan.
So basically you're saying LeBron can't be the GOAT cause he plays the game the right way, like passing out of a double or triple team to an open teammate? Also it's hard to imagine a plyers who's 4th all time in assist, second during the playoffs only passes when a double team comes. Have you ever watched LeBron play? And I get it, he's not ultra aggressive when it comes to scoring like MJ or Kobe, but you do know there's more to basketball than just scoring? LeBron is the best all around player we have ever seen and the stat sheets back it up.
People's hatred for LeBron turns them into idiots. You want me to believe a player who's 4th all time in assist, second all time in the playoffs, makes his team mates worse? If you're the best player on a team and then a better player joins obviously your numbers are gonna dip. Only so many steals, rebounds, assist, and points to go around. I mean come on, even Pippen's numbers went up slightly when Jordan retired the first time. You gonna say Jordan made Pippen worse?
I think this question or statement can best be answered by the teammates he has played with. We all see what it really is but until one of those players grows a pair and says it from there own mouth then LeBron will always have the narrative to fall back on. It's gonna take wade, davis,bosh,love,kyrie,etc to shut all of this down!
You ask yourself this: Would Lebron even have ONE title if he didn`t make superteams with at LEAST 2 other all-stars/HOF`ers/future HOF`ers on his team? NOT A CHANCE!
It's not LeBron i literally have heard players and coaches that want LeBron on their team it's the Lakers organization upstairs that bothers them and lot of players can't play under the pressure that comes with the Lakers fans and the spotlight on them ❗🤔🙄🏀
Making teammates better > This is a big misconception. LJB provides easy shots to his teammates, but he does not make them better. If that were so, why would LBJ’s teams collapse when he’s not there? Didn’t he make his teammates better? So they should be able to thrive in his absense. Everybody says LBJ makes his teammates better and MJ didn’t. You've gotta be kidding!!! Then why is it that every time he leaves the court his team collapses?!!? Tell me!!! I'm listening. Is that making your teammates better or dependent?! If you can’t play without me, I haven’t made you better, I’ve made you dependent on me. I haven’t taught you how to hunt, I’ve been hunting for you. If I’m not around, you'll starve. Everybody talks about MJ having Pippen and Phil for all his rings. Well, who were Pippen and Phil before MJ? Nobodies. They needed MJ as much as MJ needed them to win. MJ made Pippen, taught him everything. As much as I love Scottie, he wouldn’t have turned into one of the 50 greatest if it hadn't been for MJ. MJ took him under his wing and taught him the game, the tricks, enhancing Pippen’s skills and demanding the best Pippen he could be. Let’s remember my earlier point. Did LBJ teach Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Davis, Love, Allen or Shaq how to play. No. They were all great players and had been their own teams’ best player by the time LBJ joined them. When MJ retired the first time, the Bulls did extremely well without him, NOT despite MJ, BECAUSE of him. The Bulls made the playoffs and went deep, but they didn't win. Pippen and Phil were still their. Why didn’t they win then?! Cause their closer and most important player was not there. The team did pretty well because MJ had taught those players and had made them better, independent to a degree, maybe not totally that they wouldn’t need MJ to close games or win rings, but enough to do pretty well without him. That is what a teacher and a parent should do. If you’re a good teacher, you’ll make your students learn how to live without you, not depend on you. Same with parents. They teach their kids to live on their own someday. So, stop with the non-sense that LBJ makes his teammates better. One quick point: I’ve heard people say MJ had the schooling of Dean Smith and Phil Jackson to help him win, and that LBJ has never had a top coach like them. I’ll tell you why that is. MJ was humble enough to accept coaching, because he knew he had to learn from those who knew more than him in order to reach his own best. The point is not that LBJ has never had a top coach to HELP him, it’s he won’t allow anybody to coach him. He is his own coach. Not only does he step over every coach he’s ever had, but he will also dictate the play on the court. He IS the system. MJ would accept to play under a system if that meant winning. Some might even argue that had MJ not played under a system, he’d have even better on-court stats because he’d have been able to do whatever he wanted on the court. Basically, what happens with LBJ. That's it. Case closed.
I been saying for years. Diminished productivity and roles. To win with him you need to surround yourself with shooters and hybrid bigs that don't clog the lane. They won, but had to sacrifice roles... He doesn't make anyone better. Especially since eventually he can use those diminished stats as a reason to get you traded or for him to leave. Win how you win, but don't tell me what I'm seeing.
That’s why he’s 4-10 in the finals . He also makes coaches worse because he wants to be the player coach. He argues and blames coaches when the team looses same with teamates. He ain’t tough and he ain’t better than Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant.
If you’re not old enough, this video makes LeBron Passing skills overrated but his teammates talk highly of his scoring and passing that’s why they give him the ball and let him make is mistakes
Shaq may have not still been a dominant scorer like he was before, but he was still a presence and his presence alone open up the court for D wade to do what he could do on the court without shack in Alonzo, mourning standing in the center downlow it makes it harder for him to do that. If you know the real game of basketball, do you understand everything that comes with it not just one player scoring 35 points did not win the game. And that LeBron, the Lebum is the most overrated overall player of all time can’t stand him.
Main reason why the NBA now is trash and boring because of LeFlop king of Flops. No defense is okay, Teaming up with multiple superstars is okay. That is BS, back then there was balance of power in both east and west.
FIVE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND ELEVEN TURNOVERS AND COUNTING 😂😂😂 Thats over 600!! More turnovers than Russell Westbrook and over 1200!!! more turnovers than The Legendary Kobe Bryant. Absolutely unprecidented😂
The best example would be Kevin Love. Kevin Love was averaging monster numbers before he played with LeBron.
He also didn’t win Jack s*** before playing with LeBron.
Kevin Love has made the playoffs twice in 16 seasons without LeBron as a teammate. Putting up big numbers on a bad team means nothing
@@williamalexander9485because lov played on shit teams. So when LBJ doesn’t have help, they use that as an excuse when anybody else doesn’t have help, they say that they play good on bad teams, capping for lebron
@@discokidd1264 The concept of being a lottery pick is that you end up going to a bad team just like LeBron went to a 17 win team out of high school and doubled the win total in his rookie season. What are you talking about. He took his team to the finals at age 22. Michael Jordan doesn’t have a winning season without Scottie Pippen. Wade only won with either Shaq or Lebron. Bosh never made it past the first round without LeBron. So what is your point
90% of players has better stats beforw and after playing with LeBron...
"He makes teammates better"... There's literally no proof of that. With LeBron you hear it, with Jokic you actually see it.
Im celebrating when he retires
Where are you keeping the party you may need a stadium fir such an event😂😂
Michael Jordan has 0 flop compilation videos. But LeBron though...........
Playing with LeBron James literally ruins a player
Its proven in the video
Like who?
@@deadflies4265his father
Coaches too
Lebron gave them rings tho. Even his rookie coaches.
If Bron wins with his Superteams he gets all the credit. If he loses he gets none of the blame. Smh
You need a tissue?
That's crazy because he always do but he has legit excuses 2007 2015 2018 easily there's no way he was going to win that
You just said if he loses he gets none of the blame . LeBron gets blamed fir everything you casual
@@rikaiturner2713 tell me....what has Lebron been blamed for? When has he been blamed for the 6 NBA Finals losses on his record? It's always we had injuries , my role players weren't good enough to win , the coach was terrible and needs to be fired , the GM is terrible not getting Bron enough help , Bron played this whole Finals series with a dam near broke hand , Bron's fellow Superteam teammates started to get old , and on and on.
@@deadflies4265where you leave your knee pads and Vaseline. You ain't got to hide your tears with the little emoji in every comment
The Vampire LeStat. He drains the talent of his star players, then leaves them high and dry to join a new team.
LeBron did not make his teammates better, just absorbed the stats of his teammates. This is evident in his uncontested rebounds, which are among the one of the best in the league. LeBron's style of play doesn't change no matter who he's with. He just wanted his role player teammates to be an All-Star or All-NBA caliber by making Big3 multiple times.
EXACTLY.
Yup
Agreed
So who exactly won a title before and after Lebron? Wade? Who made significant noise in the playoffs without LeBron? Wade?
😅😅😅😅😅😅
When players join forces their numbers will dip. Prime example is Bostons big 3 or Wilt Chamberlain to LA.
It's called sacrifice and deferment, 0layers usually do that in order to win
@@simonhowell4486 lebrons numbers don’t dip because he forces other players to change their game to fit around him. And I hate when people make it seem like Lebron won these championships for these guys. He’s literally teaming up with multiple franchise guys.
Wade ruined his legacy by teaming up with Bron. It would have been better to win that single championship as the man yet instead he now was overshadowed by a loser.
Those years being the role player overshadows his greatness.
The truth is , lebron makes his all star teammates worse and mj actually makes his teammates better
@@jamaals4445 remember when kobe bryant got on national TV and said Shaq cheated on his wife, then said Shaq paid over a million in hush money 💵... would you compare that to making your teammates better or worse? I'll wait for your response
@@jamaals4445 jordan punched Kerr in the face after one of his rages from using.. .. he really was a great leader... kooooobeeee
@keithkeyes447 congratulations bozo for the dumbest comment of the day that has nothing to do with this video or basketball 🎊
@@raphaelhilliard1160 oh no facts for me today... 40,000 pts 11,000 rebounds 11,000 assists dnt forget
@@raphaelhilliard1160 I guess I'm you now
5,211 turnovers and counting. 😅
Oh yeah, he THA GOAT alright hahaha
10k assist and counting
Jordan had 7 seasons of the most missed shots in the league. That’s a record
40 something thousand points most ever and still counting 🤷🏽
@@DemarcoWhitbyLongevity stat 🤡
How is anyone with 6 Finals Losses a topic...........HOW...????????
Cuz he won 4 with three different bosses
Promotion
@@LamarBarber nah, is cuz he won with three different bosses and three different teams. That's all
@@josegrullon024Nike
You make your channel relevant by either being a hater or a fan boy. LBJ in the thumbnail will bring clicks
Yeah this narrative of lebron making his team mates better is just the same BS narratives like he is a good defender, an efficient shooter, high basketball IQ, or he is a pass first guy! 😂
You dudes stay crying 😂😂😂😂😂
@deadflies4265 I put laughing emoji, you say crying !? Is that how bad lebron apologists IQ is? 😆
@@paulusrumanouw3176 Lebron stans IQ are off the scale.😂
@@paulusrumanouw3176 It's pathetic , literally every other LeFraud vid out here just getting straight sheit talked at and laughed at but the morons consider this crying. I guess to the mfs the moment that made him the goat was LeFraud getting his azz carried of the court vs the spurs suffering cramps 😂😂😂😂😂 I'm gonna a go cry some more now
@@abner0584just like their clown king of the circus, sitting out of games he knows he will not be able to stat pad, stat padding vs weak teams, playing tough vs smaller defenders , etc the usual legendary IQ that has lead this fraud to not 4 not 5 , 6 finals loses
Wade was my guy and I was so disappointed when lebron came to Miami. I felt like wade was the next Dude and at that time just him and Bosh could’ve won the title that first year. They would’ve had more money to put better supporting cast and as wade showed in the Finals he was the dude and Bosh would’ve been better without lebron.
That would’ve been enough to stop the Boston Celtics at the time let’s be honest, the Heat needed LeBron to do that.
@@tcmb3434then why did they lose to a worse mavs team?
@@tcmb3434mavs were on fire.during that post season.. they even swept the defendibg champs..
@@tcmb3434Wade won without any help. With Bosh he could have won. Lebron got lucky in the win against SA. Ray Allen saved the day much like Kyrie did against GS.
@@christophercox936Wade started to decline in 2012, lebron saved him in those last 3 years, he wasn’t gonna win with just bosh
Nick Wright said that Michael Jordan ducked LeBron James by retiring in 2003 😂
😂😂😂
Nick Wright needs to give his kneepads a break lying for LeBron 😂😂
13 yo Bron was a beast.
Nick Wright is an idiot. Who does a 40 year old man with a bad knee duck ?
lol
Wade messed up his career arc by teaming up with LeBALCO… Wade had a chip without him and had the clutch in him… yet he teamed up and then deferred to LeMedia. Worst career move.
Need a tissue to wipe your tears?
@@BeLegendary610Wade will when not a single NBA fan will ever consider him even top 50 because he was a lbj teammate and to push the lbj narrative his teammates have to be undersold as role guys.
Wade initially only teamed up with Bosh. Then Lebron joined in on the fun. He might have won with only Bosh since he was reaching the playoffs alone.
@@christophercox936 Nonsense, Its been publically stated Bron and Wade were conspiring to teamup years before they did. They tried to get Carmelo Anthony yet he went to NY instead. Bosh was the alternative.
@@christophercox936go look at the podcast wit Melo n pg and you'll correct your statement
The real difference is LeBron seeks out the best players in the league to play with so of course numbers will dip but Jordan just won with whatever he had🤷🏾♂️
Bro Lebron system is basically
"Sorround him with Shooters"
If you can't fit in you're Out
I been saying this for 15 years. You can count on 1 hand the players whose numbers were better playing with LBJ than without him
Pippen Horace Grant and BJ Armstrong numbers were better even Jordan retired the first time. They made the all star team that year
@@deadflies4265Pippen was already a all star so stop tryna stat pad like the guy u bow before
@@shawnnyc100able grant and Armstrong made all star the year Jordan retired
@@deadflies4265 Exactly, he made them better players, by your own examples.
@@RichardRennes well if that’s the case why weren’t they All stars while he was playing
Bron aint going to nothing but turn you into a cornerman.
Lebron’s style of play relegates his teammates to being spot up shooters especially ball dominant guards.
LeBron is better with ball in his hands than pretty much every player ever. That’s dumb to think he would take an off ball role. Think before you speak bro you sound dumb. Why should LeBron sacrifice touches to Kevin Love? That’s low IQ basketball.
What an original and in-depth thought 😂😂Zero basketball IQ here
Keep bringing the facts!!!
This was my goal for this channel from the start to Spread truth NOT Popular Narratives. I wish the Channel grew faster though
Well if it’s facts you’re interested in what was Kevin Love’s Kyrie Irving’s Dwyane Wade’s and Anthony Davis’s careers before and after, where applicable playing with LeBron.
They were so many all-stars before playing w Lebron and none of them had much of a career after no longer playing with him. Kyrie went thru hell and back just to get where he was last year with Mavs.
Antwan Jamison is forgotten from first stint in Cleveland. avg 21 pts and 9 reb the year before.
Larry Hughes was the best free agent when he went to Cleveland. 22pte 6 reb 5 assist before Lebron. Shaq avg 18pts w Suns before Lebron, his point went up even after he left Miami and won 4th ring.
Russell Westbrook avg 22/11/11 the year before joining Lebron.
Lebron has everyone sacrifice so he can keep his stats constant
Bahahaha 😂😂😂😂
Lebum James smdh can’t wait for him to retire
When lebron plays ball hog his team loses. When mj ball hogs his team win. Thats the difference.
Rob Pelinka doesn't know what he is doing, we need magic Johnspn as GM with zero interference
Playing with Le flop is like dating a Kardashian.
Exactly she doesn’t make her exes better. 😂
Due to his age, LeBron has been letting others play. But in almost all of his games he has not given up the last pass, controlling the team's rhythm, deciding who will shoot, etc. Only in the 2008 team and perhaps now we see him playing without wanting everything just for himself. When they called coach Blatt from FIBA to the Cavs, Real Madrid, European champion, where the collective is more important, LeBron told them to swear at the coach's ass.
I think that to solidify the notion that Lebron doesn't make his teammates better, he should be compared to someone who actually does, who better for that than the one accused for stat padding? Nikola Jokic. Nikola averages more points, rebounds and assists than LeBron, but no one says he makes his teammates better, and a quick analysis of their games and how they assist their teammates will show you, without an ounce of a doubt, that LeBron gets undeserved praise due to narratives and star power (by name) while Jokic causes a huge impact on his team, running plays on their favor yet he gets called a stat padder.
@@Al.j.Vasquez Absolutely true, it's criminal.
I don't know about stats (individually) but Michael Jordan's teammates played their best basketball with Michael Jordan! That's why he won 6 in a row!
Kylie and AD both played their most efficient ball with LeBron
LOL, I like how you said you didn't know but then made an assumption anyways. Pippen's numbers did go up a little bit when Jordan first retired. Right about in line with the little dip in numbers referred to in this video. But that's expected when you start playing with a better player, only so many stats to go around for the whole team. Also they didn't win 6 in a row because Jordan took almost 2 years off in-between 2 different 3 peats.
@@ryanhoyt8369Pip’ averaged an astounding THREE WHOLE POINTS when MJ left. Along with gaining .5 Reb and 1 less Assist a game 🤣🤣🤣 Wth are you even talking about??? 🤦🏽♂️
I never believed he made players better. Someone said it and people ran with it. SMH
Let's not forget he had Westbrook and carmelo Anthony. Brandon ingrahm and a healthy lonzo ball
Great video as always man. The quality of your videos has improved greatly over the past few months. Congratulations.
Thank You. Much appreciate it.
Name 1 player that he made better.
Just 1
Jj barea. You guys are just haters. lol
Jason terry when he whooped that ass 😂😂😂
He's never made players better, and he's never been a "pass first" guy. He's a narrative guy, though.
You do know LeBron is 4th all time in assist and jumps to 2nd all time in assist during the playoffs? Sounds like a guy that likes to pass to his team mates too me!!
@@ryanhoyt8369 likes to pass and good at passing isn’t the same as pass first.
I'd rather be a part of Michael Jordan led team and win all the time than play with LeGay and lose my value as a player.
Yes it’s a lot easier to be defended in the finals by Dan Majerle Richard Dumas post drug rehab Byron Scott Byron Russell Buck Williams Clyde Drexler in the NBA Finals. Imagine 3x All defensive wings in 6 finals. Jordan must be the 🐐for that alone
You can easily make the same case for Kobe as you did for MJ
Name the players Kobe made worse.
@@Gtdubb1That was a moronic statement from that idiot. Kobe won more against stiffer competition WITH less help than LeBron
No. Quite the contrary actually. He made Almost all of his teammates better. Pau, Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic, Bynum, Luke Walton, Trevor Ariza, Derek Fisher. All those guys got paid and had career years after playing with him
Most guys that LeBron makes worse ain't even in the league much longer. What happened to Chalmers? Norris Cole, Shumpert, Tristan Thompson, JR. SMITH?
@@Gtdubb1 my bad I meant Kobe made his teammates better
Thank you for finally making this video. I've been saying this for years and when I say years I'm talking about well before the pandemic even started. But I've been so on this. You've actually missed a couple. From day one he was playing with people that averaged 20 points a game or more and as soon as they started playing with him they would drop by a large margin. Ricky Davis averaged 20 points a game before LeBron went down to 15 Anton Jameson and Larry Hughes both average 20 points a game prior to playing with LeBron and both dropped to 15 after playing with LeBron and what makes this even worse is that both of them play together alongside Gilbert arenas and all three in the same season. Averaged 20 points a game but by themselves neither of them could average 20 lb a game with LeBron.
Lebron been playing 50 yrs , still trying to catch Mike 🐐 😂
The most overrated athlete in the history of sports 😂
I agree with most of the content of this video. However, there is one player who certainly played way better because of LeBron; Matthew Dellavedova.
He was playing so good, there was brief talk that he could be Finals MVP after the Cavs took a 2-1 lead. Then the refs started calling touch fouls on him, LeBron ran out of gas, and the Cavs collapsed.
Dwayne Wade's championship alone was more impressive than any of Lebron's. Thanks for pointing that out.
LeBron fans actually try to use the success of the 1993/94 Bulls _against_ Jordan. But that season actually proves the opposite of what
they try to argue. First of all, the on court leaders of that particular Bulls squad were Pippen, Horace and BJ. All three guys had grown
up playing with Michael and learned how to be champions playing beside him. So when he Jordan retired, the habits that they developed
while playing with MJ continued forward through that 93 season. The Bulls roster also added talent that year as well. So while Jordan was
missing, the Bulls' were a deeper team than the year before.
Kobe once did an interview where they asked him about this notion of "making teammates better". Kobe said "if you actually make guys better,
they should be able to compete even when you're not there. Passing guys the ball isn't making them better. Making guys better is about passing
on some of your own competitive DNA unto them. "
And that is what Jordan was able to do to with his Bulls teammates.
lebron plays the games just to get stats. its been known for years.
Solid post! I never knew this channel existed, but yeah, it checks out as far as good takes go! Have a JOLLY day!
Wade's career got sabotaged by Bron. The King Snake came slithering only to choke in 2011. Won 2, lost another won and then left Wade when LeBron doesn't have use for him anymore. Would've respected Wade's career more and I'm sure if it was only him and Chris Bosh, with a slew of good role players they would've still contended in the East, instead of recruiting "no loyalty - statpadding" Bron. Then the Original King Snake "went home" to Cleveland because he saw fresh meat with Kyrie and the stole Kevin Love from Wolves only to make him a spot up shooter. When KD got called a snake, he atleast factually improved the team, LeBron gets his stats, but actually is detrimental to the entire team. LeBron is the most self-centered basketball player ever.
Bosh got out of the first, Wade won 2 rings, Love has only made the playoffs twice without LeBron in 16 years, Kyrie took 7 years to get past the second round without LeBron. They all improved🤷♂️🤷♂️
It's the same with Kobe and Jordan. All their teammates had their best years withe them.
They had their best years with Phil! Phil was the coach and a Shrink.
Playing with lebum james ruins you as a player. 😂
For the longest time. Lebron sucks the fun out of basketball for everyone else.
More people are realizing this lol Bron is a willing passer but he has never made anyone better he actually takes away from players game unlike a player like Magic Johnson who indeed actually made players better around him
Hey lebron will be the all time scoring leader for the rest of your life 😎
LEBRON WILL BE LOSER THE REST OF YOUR LIFE STRAIGHT TRASH ON THE JUICE NO BALL SKILLS LE TRASH JAMES
LeBron is Majin Buu absorbs his team mates powers so that he is allowed to do whatever he chooses. The fact his teammates can do more is a luxury
Kyrie doesn't count as joining LeBron because he was already a Cavalier and he left.
2006 Shaq might not be good, but his presence help Wade get those bucket.
😎 LeNARRATIVE NO FACTS 😎😎📢📢 BOYCOTT LAKERS TV GAMES 😎
Scottie made Michael Jordan better. Jordan has zero winning seasons without Scottie, he’s 1-9 in the playoffs, and 182-228 in the regular season without Scottie as a teammate . That’s making a Mofo better😂😂😂
I'm gonna repeat the same question I've asked on other channels looking for someone to answer.
Can someone please explain why people think longevity is metric of comparison please. Since the 2000's players have had access to
1) Injury Prevention and Risk Diagnosis Medical Tech
2) Personalized Nutrition and Genomics Tailored Training
4) Robotic Exoskeletons to Assist in Rehabilitation
5) Gene Therapy
6) Physiotherapy in both 6) Electrotherapy and 7) Cryotherapy
8) Telehealth Medicine 9) Stem Cells
I can add more but these where some of not all of them. Plus theirs also some that were available in the 90's but we're either to expensive or not as advanced like robotic assisted surgery and MRI technology.
Doctors didn't have the same access to knowledge or the same level variety of drugs like today. Hell mf's barely started having dial up internet in most homes in the early 2000's. Players didn't have as much money as today either. They were paid by their performance not for what the could potential do. So why would players not be able to play longer and be more healthy when they have the luxury of spending millions a year on their body. Tell me what's more impressive seriously accomplishing all the stats and trophy's everything over a 20+ year career or accomplishing more in half the that time with more physicality and greater risk of injury. If players sit out more games, don't have to give as much effort on defense if they choose, are able to spend millions a year on their body, don't have to worry about the physicality why would they not be able to play more years. Don't get me started on how LeBron doesn't always put the same level of effort in on defense as he does on offense so he unreliable at best lets not pretend like because he could play defense that it's good enough. If he could he would. If we're playing a competitive sport why would you pick and choose when you wanna be competitive. You play to win your supposed to give if your all. LeBron stopped title chasing and started stat chasing that's why he likes to sit out on more challenging teams like when he the doctors told him he needed to rest his hurt ankle for a day. Why would a doctor ask you to rest it for only a day if it was serious enough they suggest you sit out it would be for more then one game it takes time to heal but the next nights he plays the game with no visible strain and no less minutes played but against a easier opponent. He can scores 40 points against a average team and then sit out the next game like he's to tired or hurt. He's only played all 82 games twice in his hole career. LeBron has been pretending for years now he's so old this might the year he retires for about 5 years now why because everything he does becomes more amazing when you think he's so old he might retire but I promise you he has at least a 25 year career. He puts less strain on his body by spending less effort playing all out, takes more time off to recover and spends more money on his body then every NBA player in NBA history. He will have at least a 25 year career mark my words. Todays players and fans use longevity as a metric because they don't appreciate the luxuries they have. They think everyone must have had the same doctors healthcare money technologies and every other advantage to play as long as them and then act like they some how shouldn't be more athletic. Most think athleticism is skill and talent. Longevity is only a metric when you compare players with the same advantages. So please tell me why they thought longevity should be used because it's the only metric LeBron is guaranteed that MJ couldn't win. I really want someone to try explaining longevity now anyone.
It's crazy because Klay was a great fit imo...but nope😂
This idea that LeBron fans try to push about him making his teammates better is downright insulting to the intelligence of anybody with even a fraction of a brain.
Never in my life have I seen a player who was average on his own, who then suddenly flourished and broke out while playing with LeBron.
What I have seen on the other hand, is big time star players who fizzled down to glorified role players the instant they joined with LeBron. I've seen that many times.
LeBron is the greatest prima Donna in professional basketball history. When he's on a team EVERYTHING has to be about him. The team is built around maintaining HIS talent and HIS stats. Teammates are forced to sacrifice their normal game age play in ways that isn't natural for them so that they can maximise HIS effectiveness.
He doesn't make players better. He destroys their careers. Like a leech he sucks the life out of every team he goes to and every player he plays with. He sucks it all up until there's no more life left there and all that's left is a husk...then he moves on to the next place and does it all again. He's the most destructive force in the history of the game, and the only reason he's able to do this (when no other player ever could) is because the NBA has groomed him from the age of 17/18 to be "the prodigy" and have gotten off their knees for him.
Everyone he played with stats took a hit
comparisons to mj will gradually stop as soon as lebron retires. nba media and these so called lebron lickers are just milking on lebrons popularity and as soon as he quits, no one will be talking about him
He arguably makes players better the least of any "superstar" I've ever seen play if we are being honest. One of the largest sample sizes to examine too.
Shame that GM's and owners don't see this...
GMs see it... Not all but some do.
If I'm playing with Jordan I'm giving him the ball and doing everything I can to help "us" win. Lebron demands the ball to help him win.
PLEASE LEBRON JAMES CRY BABY JAMES WHOLE CAREER IS THE BIGGEST JOKE OF THE NBA NOW WITH BRONNY 2.O I'M DONE WITH THE NBA
D wade that finals had a ridiculous amount of free throws that series
Oh my god. This man’s math is just plus and minus… its distribution… numbers got distributed..
Truth is Lebron is a great play that makes "roles players" better. The superstars dont ever get better, they get sick of him. Ask AD..
LeBron's game is suited to play with role players, but his ceiling is first/2nd round exits or finals in weak ass in depleted conferences. To make it all the way he needs a star to do what stars do, but since he has the ball all the time they have to do their thing on role player usage rate
You can look up the stats: Lebrons teammates averaged less Ppg career as his teammate vs not his teammate ..
The opposite is actually true for MJ.. Jordans teammatws had their best numbers in cumulative seasons as his teammate and less away from him..
LeBalco klutch media won’t say this tho
Where you getting your numbers from? Pippen's number went up when Jordan retired the fist time and dipped back down when Jordan retuned. The difference is about the same as the differences referred to in this video. But all of that should be expected when you go from being the the best player on the team to second or third best player on the team.
Just comparing numbers doesn't tell the whole story
Exactly, but the fact you can't tell from the games shows you just watch highlights. Take note, you casual.
LeThong is a stain on the league
He has NEVER made them better. He just gice them shots whenever the double team comes. ALL of their producion has gone down when they played with him. Bosh, Love and AD. Kryie and Wade was very little. But he has NEVER made them better. The HEAT organization made Lebron less passive. But he has always been a PASSIVE player before joining the Heat. GOAT Jordan has NEVER played passive. Which is why this goat conversation is so stupid. LEBRON is not even on Kobe level. Dont even get close to Jordan.
So basically you're saying LeBron can't be the GOAT cause he plays the game the right way, like passing out of a double or triple team to an open teammate? Also it's hard to imagine a plyers who's 4th all time in assist, second during the playoffs only passes when a double team comes. Have you ever watched LeBron play? And I get it, he's not ultra aggressive when it comes to scoring like MJ or Kobe, but you do know there's more to basketball than just scoring? LeBron is the best all around player we have ever seen and the stat sheets back it up.
People's hatred for LeBron turns them into idiots. You want me to believe a player who's 4th all time in assist, second all time in the playoffs, makes his team mates worse? If you're the best player on a team and then a better player joins obviously your numbers are gonna dip. Only so many steals, rebounds, assist, and points to go around. I mean come on, even Pippen's numbers went up slightly when Jordan retired the first time. You gonna say Jordan made Pippen worse?
I think this question or statement can best be answered by the teammates he has played with. We all see what it really is but until one of those players grows a pair and says it from there own mouth then LeBron will always have the narrative to fall back on. It's gonna take wade, davis,bosh,love,kyrie,etc to shut all of this down!
Ask yourself this would they have sniffed the finals or a championship without LeBron. Exactly
You ask yourself this: Would Lebron even have ONE title if he didn`t make superteams with at LEAST 2 other all-stars/HOF`ers/future HOF`ers on his team? NOT A CHANCE!
He’s incapable of telling the truth. He is woke.
It's not LeBron i literally have heard players and coaches that want LeBron on their team it's the Lakers organization upstairs that bothers them and lot of players can't play under the pressure that comes with the Lakers fans and the spotlight on them ❗🤔🙄🏀
Lebron makes below average players better but also makes almost ever good/great/star player worse to fit in his system
Yes he never seems to lower any of HIS stats... wonder why...
Good Stuff!!! and yes, true hoops 🏀 fans are aware of the propaganda
Longevity is the biggest lie. 😂😂😂
Making teammates better > This is a big misconception. LJB provides easy shots to his teammates, but he does not make them better. If that were so, why would LBJ’s teams collapse when he’s not there? Didn’t he make his teammates better? So they should be able to thrive in his absense. Everybody says LBJ makes his teammates better and MJ didn’t. You've gotta be kidding!!! Then why is it that every time he leaves the court his team collapses?!!? Tell me!!! I'm listening. Is that making your teammates better or dependent?! If you can’t play without me, I haven’t made you better, I’ve made you dependent on me. I haven’t taught you how to hunt, I’ve been hunting for you. If I’m not around, you'll starve. Everybody talks about MJ having Pippen and Phil for all his rings. Well, who were Pippen and Phil before MJ? Nobodies. They needed MJ as much as MJ needed them to win. MJ made Pippen, taught him everything. As much as I love Scottie, he wouldn’t have turned into one of the 50 greatest if it hadn't been for MJ. MJ took him under his wing and taught him the game, the tricks, enhancing Pippen’s skills and demanding the best Pippen he could be. Let’s remember my earlier point. Did LBJ teach Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Davis, Love, Allen or Shaq how to play. No. They were all great players and had been their own teams’ best player by the time LBJ joined them. When MJ retired the first time, the Bulls did extremely well without him, NOT despite MJ, BECAUSE of him. The Bulls made the playoffs and went deep, but they didn't win. Pippen and Phil were still their. Why didn’t they win then?! Cause their closer and most important player was not there. The team did pretty well because MJ had taught those players and had made them better, independent to a degree, maybe not totally that they wouldn’t need MJ to close games or win rings, but enough to do pretty well without him. That is what a teacher and a parent should do. If you’re a good teacher, you’ll make your students learn how to live without you, not depend on you. Same with parents. They teach their kids to live on their own someday. So, stop with the non-sense that LBJ makes his teammates better. One quick point: I’ve heard people say MJ had the schooling of Dean Smith and Phil Jackson to help him win, and that LBJ has never had a top coach like them. I’ll tell you why that is. MJ was humble enough to accept coaching, because he knew he had to learn from those who knew more than him in order to reach his own best. The point is not that LBJ has never had a top coach to HELP him, it’s he won’t allow anybody to coach him. He is his own coach. Not only does he step over every coach he’s ever had, but he will also dictate the play on the court. He IS the system. MJ would accept to play under a system if that meant winning. Some might even argue that had MJ not played under a system, he’d have even better on-court stats because he’d have been able to do whatever he wanted on the court. Basically, what happens with LBJ. That's it. Case closed.
I been saying for years. Diminished productivity and roles. To win with him you need to surround yourself with shooters and hybrid bigs that don't clog the lane. They won, but had to sacrifice roles... He doesn't make anyone better. Especially since eventually he can use those diminished stats as a reason to get you traded or for him to leave. Win how you win, but don't tell me what I'm seeing.
That’s why he’s 4-10 in the finals . He also makes coaches worse because he wants to be the player coach. He argues and blames coaches when the team looses same with teamates. He ain’t tough and he ain’t better than Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant.
Anyone with a good set of eyes already knows this since the beginning
Str8 facts 💯...great video
If you don't believe LeBron makes players better check out Mo Williams
LeBalco is the Devil in basketball shoes 👞
Great video bro. I loved it! All truth
If you’re not old enough, this video makes LeBron Passing skills overrated but his teammates talk highly of his scoring and passing that’s why they give him the ball and let him make is mistakes
Shaq may have not still been a dominant scorer like he was before, but he was still a presence and his presence alone open up the court for D wade to do what he could do on the court without shack in Alonzo, mourning standing in the center downlow it makes it harder for him to do that. If you know the real game of basketball, do you understand everything that comes with it not just one player scoring 35 points did not win the game. And that LeBron, the Lebum is the most overrated overall player of all time can’t stand him.
His whole image is being pushed and propped up by media and his fans posting fake stories on MJ to pull him down...
Another one is RUSS.from triple double machine to rags"
That was a really bad fit.
Main reason why the NBA now is trash and boring because of LeFlop king of Flops. No defense is okay, Teaming up with multiple superstars is okay. That is BS, back then there was balance of power in both east and west.
he does make them better... By replacing em
You would think he would have smarter people around himself to keep him from saysuch nonsense 😂😂
LeBron is the most overrated role player in NBA history.
Now he needs Curry so he can get his assist stats
He's already 4th all time in assist, second all time during the playoffs, so I think he already got his assist stats.
FIVE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND ELEVEN TURNOVERS AND COUNTING 😂😂😂
Thats over 600!! More turnovers than Russell Westbrook and over 1200!!! more turnovers than The Legendary Kobe Bryant. Absolutely unprecidented😂