I think early 17th century recorder music is fun and cool | Team Recorder
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- The early baroque is the BEST! Why? I dive into the composers Castello, Notari, Fonatana and Cima to tell you - all on specially handmade pre-baroque recorders!
/// TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro
01:15 Renaissance vs Baroque
04:06 The recorders used!
07:07 Castello: Sonata Seconda
10:02 Notari: Canzona Passaggiata
12:35 Fontana: Sonata Terza
13:53 Cima: Sonata in D
15:40 Conclusions?
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Pre-baroque recorders by Erik Jahn and Sophie Schmid: floetenschmiede.de
TH-cam channel Rei Inoue, performance of Castello's second sonata: • Castello: Sonata seconda
/// INSTRUMENTS
In this video I play on:
- a 440 and 415 pre-baroque soprano, and a 415 pre-baroque soprano by Erik Jahn and Sophie Schmid
- a 440 transitional G alto by Stephan Blezinger
- a 440/415 Ganassi soprano by Stephan Blezinger
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Must have had a premonition that a video was being released today. Last night, I had a dream that I was attending a wedding. I walk around the corner and suddenly "Hi! I'm Sarah and I'm a recorder player!" And there she is standing there with an arm-full of recorders. A discussion ensues about which tenor recorder I should buy... then the dream changed to something entirely unrelated (ordering steaks for a meeting at work) 😂
Aww that's great!
Hello Sarah, I haven’t noticed until now that you cited my video!! Thank you for sharing, and I also enjoyed this entire video. There seems to be mysterious room for much more investigation regarding to pre-baroque/transitional recorders😎 Greetings from Japan!
You are welcome, greetings back! 😄
I adore the recorders of the same period like the Kynsekers. The range of the baroque with the sound of renaissance 👌🏼
If I remember correctly, Rossini started writing out the ornamentation in his arias for exactly that reason: singers were indulging in tasteless vocal acrobatics, and he wasn't having any more of it!
17th century music is so pure, polyphonie is gold !
Thank you from France ! Recorder is so underrated when it is so beautiful
I looooove this style of music... What a fun surprise. I just turnd 11 and for my birthday i got loads of recorder music from this time period!!!!
Yay!
So glad Sarah is talking about baroque music again!
Thank you for this - what a wonderful and well-illustrated description of the early baroque!
Bloody excellent video. Love the very clear explanation of the renaissance and baroque harmonies. Well done!
Ooh! Early baroque is probably my favorite repertoire! I'm so glad you covered it and surprised it hadn't been touched upon by Team Recorder until now! The Cima d minor sonata was literally the first solo piece for recorder I tackled, way back circa 1989. I hear it at a Lyra Baroque concert and absolutely *begged* their recorder player to send me the music, which he did! Thank you for yet another lovely video ∑:ᴈ
Ohhh that's lovely!
You included so many favourites!! Early baroque is my absolute favourite 😌
Ahhh, Sarah, I love this kind of videos! Good work!!! I always can't wait for new videos... But this time you've exceeded expectations! ❤️
Thank you so much, Sarah! You are an awesome teacher as well as a great “recorder player!”
Wow, that was really interesting! I love learning about Early Music from you! Also, Bach's head blends seamlessly with your torso.
Thank you for the lesson (and context). Also, your video editing was very entertaining.
Having gone through the baroque section of understanding great music course on wondrium I find this fascinating and your talent with these instruments is immense !
Way beyond my abilities and probably realistic ambitions, but I still love the music, and your presentation of it. Thanks!
What a fantastic video! Thank you.
Well, I can't believe today.. I found a book at the outdoor market which seemed to be written with me in mind. Then I stumble across this absolute gem of a video! Thank you for this. Wonderful content, wonderfully explained. ♥️
The title of the video spoke to me, so I had to watch. This video has gotten me even more excited about my upcoming move to Boston, and the trip beforehand specifically. One reason is that I have been putting together a mini-concert for my partner, and the current mix is video game sound tracks, our favorite song, and some early baroque because I like it. Another reason is that once there, I can visit the Von Huen workshop! I have a list of the sheet music to buy there (one book of medieval and a LOT of early baroque), and I can’t wait to play it!
This was a really fascinating. Please don’t be afraid to talk more about music history.
Great job Maestro. That was fun.
Very instructive video,..... (and as a bassoon player, delighted to see that great instrument resting in the corner of your room).
Finally someone talked about Dario Castello! Thanks!
So much very underrated
His duo sonatas are fun to play with a non-recorder melody instrument, for instance violin.
@@victoreijkhout6146 pretty much!
Hes also pretty creative with his pieces
Interesting, & amazing!
Never heard of this.
Totally Groovy!
Thanks!!!
Oh my gosh, I never knew that the single note trill was called a trillo. I first encountered them when listening to interpretations of Monteverdi's Zefiro torna and thought what an interesting choice. I didn't know they were pretty common in the early 17th century.😁
Yes, it is. It is one of the most important things that is make baroque music sounds baroque music! It was sometimes used in the classical (i mean classicism style) music as well. I like thrills very much too!
thank you so much for this lovely video dedicated to a different period
Dedicated work. Bravo!
Beautiful sounds . . . Thank you.
Bonjour,
J'aime bcp la musique des périodes dont vous parlez, et particulièrement le rôle qu'y tient la flûte à bec.
Mais surtout, un immense bravo pour votre sens profond de la pédagogie... (et pour votre diction... j'ai presque tout compris du premier coup... 😊😊😊). Un grand merci !
This was a fascinating discussion. I learned so much. I think your theory on why composers began notating ornaments in their work is spot on. Imagine a composer creating a piece: considering every note of a phrase and what he wants to express through it; until he has it just the way he wants it. Then the players come along, take his piece and use it to try and outdo one another in showcasing their virtuosity until they are no longer playing to express the intent of the composer or the feeling of the music, but instead, are using the music merely as vehicle to show off their talent. I have heard vocalists do this, adding all sorts of vibrato and ripping up and down the scales between phrases to where you could not hum along with a well known song if you tried. (I am especially thinking of "The Star Spangled Banner" sung before ballgames in the U.S. by guest vocalists.) I think the composer might have had the feeling of his work being butchered (with the tasteless, baseless finger-wiggling). It would definitely make sense to notate the ornaments to ward off this musical graffiti. I really enjoy this era of music and experiencing how the music evolved from one era to another. This video has set me off exploring new pieces and composers. Thanks!
Always excellent !!!
Great stuff! Educational!! Thanks!😎✌️🌞🎻
I am always drawn to these in-between, transitional periods in music and art. Maybe its an evolutionary thing, where we naturally take notice of liminal situations where lots of things are changing, full of danger and opportunity. Maybe that's what makes boundary places and things attractive (the seaside, skin etc.). :)
This period does need a more sexy name though (like 'Rococo' for the other end of the Barogue!).
I too love the music of this period
Thanks for this video! I‘m currently practicing early barock music in my recorder lessons haha
Just loved it
I love videos like this!
I think what comes immediately to my mind is that characteristic sound of the orchestra cut through by sopranino recorders (or would these be traverso flutes?) doubling violins and oboes at the octave, with melodies punctuated by those little runs of very quick notes and other elaborate ornaments - in reality probably more mid-17th century music of the French courts than early I think: Lully, Marais et al.
Best channel on TH-cam
Sarah, could you do a video on the Playford “Dancing Master” or “Country Dances”? I would love to hear your opinion about ornamentation and personal variation choices. Thank you! I always enjoy your videos!
seeing you playing all those music in super fast tempo makes me wonder about Sweet Pipes recorder book, almost all the pieces in there are baroque / renaissance music (i think)... and i will be able to play them in fast tempo only after a looooooong time! first time passing though the book everything is so slow for a beginner / intermediate...
In the late 1970s, I purchased a vinyl album of the Chester Recorders. In 1995, while visiting the Grosvenor Museum in Chester, England, I saw the recorders on display.
My questions are these: when were the Chester recorders made and where do they fit into this timeline?
This was really interesting, entertaining and informative - and that's a rare thing - so thank you Sarah.
I have a book with three early 18th century sonatas for two recorders that I enjoy playing. They are by William Gorton (my favourite), David Purcell and Robert Valentine. I noticed that these sonatas were very different from the high Baroque music of Telemann, Vivaldi, etc., but didn't really think about why until now. Having watched this video I now have a better idea of how these sonatas fit into the history of the transition from renaissance to Baroque.
Since you pointed out that these early Baroque ideas reached England pretty late, I'm wondering, could these be examples of early Baroque, or are they different?
Also, fun fact (hypothesis?) there's a line in the Gorton that sounded so familiar to me that it drove me mad, until I realised it's the intro to the Rolling Stones' song 'She's A Rainbow'.
This video's title is the nerdiest statement I have heard in a while, and I fully agree with it :)
Yesssss
The handmade early baroque recorders from Kulossa could also be interesting. Judging after having listened to her given sound examples from actually recorded CDs of several ensembles, I seem to like their sound quite a lot. Moreover, you can experience in which context they can be used.
Quite apart from the fascinating illustration of those early baroque recorders, this is a *brilliant* intro to the early baroque solo style (stylus fantasticus or whatever) generally. This vid should also be watched by baroque keyboard players, violinists, cornetists, ... oh, and *singers*! (You thought a trillo was hard enough on a recorder -- try singing one!)
i must be hungry, i read „the best barbeque..“ 😂
Hi Sarah, thank you for all your exciting videos about recorder. Thanks to you, I have taken out my recorders, oiled them and started to play again after twenty years devoted to the organ.
Just one thing about Angelo Notari : the score is unvailable worldwide at the moment !!... How come ? No online scan either whatsoever... Is it because of your video :=) ?
If you have the answer, I would be interested.
Hi Sarah! I discovered your TH-cam channel two months ago, and I am a fan. You are doing an incredible job! And you are incredible :-D I write because I would want to buy the two Cima’s sonatas, but in PDF format, because 1) I read my music sheets on an Ipad and 2) I don’t want to receive it after christmas and 3) I tend lose my physical paper music sheets, and I have no place to store it… Do you have an idea where I could buy it? It is a shame, I am a classical guitarist and for classical guitar you can get almost any score in pdf format; when I took back my recorder in september after a 20+ years of break I was surprised of the scarcity of pdf music sheets for recorder, in 2022….
Time for Sarah to come out with her own Sheet music book. "Classic Recorder Music of the 17th century by Sarah Jeffrey! All in favor! Hurray!
Coming soon 😋
MORE MORE MORE. If you can help us out with good little known baroque music.. especially something that can be played by a normal human, that would be awesome.
Such a pleasure to see the new video from you, Sara!) Can I ask you a silly question? What is the most useable range of the recorder (baroque or modern version, which is constructed to play two octaves and a tone as the official application says) that sounds acceptable in peaceful music? I saw you have played almost 3 octaves which is similar to an orchestral flute. Insane! But for me it is really difficult to play notes above high G for the soprano recorder and above high C for the alto. If I try really hard I can play even two tones (B and E) higher but that's all! And it sounds too heavy and harsh (even with a good vibrato and control). I know that is my problem for I'm an amateur player but I would like to know your professional opinion on that! Thanks you very much for your work!)..
To sounds soft and peaceful, I would use the lowest octave and a fifth I think. So on soprano, from low C to high G. Above that the notes are naturally quite loud, and you have to work harder to make them sweet and soft. Good luck!
@@sarahjefferysecondchannel1340 thank you very much for the respond! I think the same.
The early baroque is my favorite period!
4:39 omg what's that little tune you play there?? It's the same as the preview sample on the Thomann online shop 😂 and I've been trying to find out what it is for ages, I even emailed Thomann
Doen Daphne D'over Schoone Maeght - Jacob van Eyck
@@1anatiti Wow, thank you so much! And Sarah even has a video on van Eyck's music 😁
Erik bosgraff van Eyck records is fantastic!!!!!!!!!🥰💕😍👍🎻😎
Out of curiosity what do you use to record? I went to see your older videos and the sound quality in the new ones is just so crisp.
Also bassoon video when?
Thank you! Now I use a microphone gifted my Lewitt - the LCT 440 Pure. Super happy with it! I used to use a Ride mic plugged directly into my camera. And the early videos were filmed entirely (audio and video) on an iPhone 6 😬
When I.... have PASSED MY GRADE 1!
@@Team_Recorder Your bassoon doesn't have a whisper key.
Are there differences in range between the Ganassi fingering and the Baroque (early and late, if there's any difference) fingerings?
Fast also means fixed in American English, though it is fairly archaic when not used in a phrase like "held fast."
Very very interesting and nice to listen to. Thanks a lot for this and the many others!... Just a couple of little things: in Italian, musiche is pronounced músike... Fantasía has the accent on the i... But I tell this just to try to help, a way to give you back, dunno, like a drop of water for the river of music you're giving us...
I thought I had probably really messed up the Caccini pronunciation - thanks for taking the time to share the proper way! x
I'd love to see more of the The Sweelinck Experience performance shown at 15:26... Is it online somewhere? Sounds so good :)
I can share the link with you...! th-cam.com/video/AOG5GAzxOhI/w-d-xo.html
Oh yeah and it's in Dutch...
Bonjour Sara
j´aimerai acheter une flute baroque pour debuter . Quel marque et quelle tonalite me conseillez vous ?
merci
Chris
I guess another way to phrase my question is, what is/was the advantage of the later Baroque recorder over the "transitional" design? If the early Baroque "transitional" recorder essentially already had the wide range along with a robust bore and sound, why did the bore get narrowed so much more as the Baroque period progressed, resulting in a smaller sound? Why would that be desired?
Good question! Anyone has the answer? My only guess is: Maybe it should sound more "focused/concentrated/pure" and "birdy-chirpy" in the end, to better stick out in concert?
Could you do a video on the difference between the medieval recorder and the renaissance recorder. There is nothing about it anywhere. Are they the same sound? My favorite is the medieval soprano.
I like ancient music too. I can just imagine Beethoven's farts were something to behold. But you'll go a long way to find something as stirring as the ancient Oboe. What a parp that would be.
Is there any of this music by Monteverdi?
Hi Sarah. I enjoyed the video. I'm a technophobe & couldn't find the names of the transitional recorder makers. Please who are they / web address?
( great news about good semitone top of second octave - I just can't play it low enough - Hotteterre wrote it off as impossible) thanks Frank
So, if it’s not Baroque, don’t fix it?
Only if you are an instrument tech who happens to be out of Monet.
It just had to be done, eh?
You sir/madam win the internet today
Sarah, I have to ask: why is there a black bassoon in the background?
I wondered the same!
Is the tuning of these transitional recorders closer to meantone? I thought I heard different size semitones in the chromatic passage.
Thathat's a good question, let me follow that up.
What a beautiful overview of the transitional recorders from the Renaissance to the Baroque. Tackling this specialist topic with competence but at the same time lightly is too good. I think the Fontegara of Ganassi dates back to 1535 (?)
Ahhhhh you are right! The 3 and the 8 look the same in my mind! Thanks for the correction x
'Scuse my ignorance, but where is Handel & 'the turning up' of the queen of sheeba? (in the baroque timeline) & have u seen Lucy Horst's version? blown away by that, I was. Did you?
So Handel is much later in the ol Baroque timeline - he wasn't even born until a good fifty years after these pieces were written. By then, the musical landscape had changed dramatically! So that's for another video ;)
@@sarahjefferysecondchannel1340 Many thanks, very interesting. Btw - have you seen Lucy Horst's (recorder) version of the arrival of he queen of sheeba?.
Is baroque and Renn. in the same tuning 415?
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I think you're cool, I like you. (It sounds strange doesn't it? well I'm not from an english speaking country so I'm struggling right now to express myself but I wanted you to know that your message is heard, 17th century recorder music do looks fun and cool even for a guy like me who doesn't play the recorder)
Даже, если я ничего не понимаю, всегда ставлю лайк.
Ну, и ТАЛИ РУБИНШТЕЙН...
Привет из Киева 👍❗👍
На удивление, лексика в видео Сары (кроме некоторых слов и терминов) хорошо понятна, и произношение четкое. Мне с уверенным начальным уровнем смотреть легко. Люблю этот канал тоже!
P.S. Надеюсь, у вас сейчас спокойно.
@@greenwoods798 , Спасибо, в Киеве спокойно, особенно в моём районе (Голосеево)
Interesting. Do you have interests in music of the 20th/21st centuries for recorder?
It seem like there are lots of used transitional and Ganassi recorders out there for sale because nobody is playing them anymore. I mostly use mine for outdoor playing because they are loud. Too bad. What is that bassoon doing in the corner?
Interesting! And the bassoon is waiting for me to practice it ;)
Sorry if this has already been asked, but, if these "transition" recorders are basically the best of both worlds, with the fuller sound along with the range, why has the narrower high Baroque bore won out even today?
I think that is for historical reasons. The recorder was rediscovered at the beginning of the 20th century. It became a household school music instrument around the thirties and it really took off after WW2 when industrialized production methods were applied by companies like Dolmetsch (USA) or Moeck (Germany). I believe they went for the baroque instrument because renaissance music just hadn't been such a thing back then.
While I agree that the 'transitional' recorder is clearly the better instrument for beginners it can be quite hard to go against the tide. After all you can get a usable baroque recorder made of plastic for around €10 today while prices for handmade period instruments probably start at twenty times that price. That makes the choice quite obvious for a parent buying a first instrument for their kid.
Yet there is hope: Mollenhauer from Germany are producing an early Baroque recorder that is primarily aimed at musical education yet is also a very versatile and expressive instrument in its own right. The model is called Adri's Traumflöte (probably Adri's Dream Flute in english?) and it was designed by Adriana Breukink (google that name if you don't know her yet!) The shape is inspired by medieval instruments. Yet the bore and fingering are more in line with Van Eyck period recorders.
They have a whole familiy of these in their catalog ranging from plastic models for around €30 to very moderately priced consort instruments made of pear or plum wood.
These instruments were introduced in the nineties and since then I have never been without one. (Needless to say that all of my children learned to play with one of those.)
Edit: I just found out that Sarah has already featured Adri's Dream in her video guide on plastic recorders. You can listen to her playing the instrument here: th-cam.com/video/ofSYOBn2HWc/w-d-xo.html
@@andreassumerauer5028 Thank you for all the great info, Andreas!
Hi Sara
I have a suggestion
Do a reaction video for a non-western composers' classical pieces(like turkish or Asian)and these pieces will be selected by your fans
My recommendation for the arab composers (I am Arab)
Will be al-sharq symphony by marcel khalifa (Istanbul orchestra recording first movement)
Note: if you (viewer) know any classical piece by non-western composer from your country write your suggestion in the comments below
Another note: sorry for my bad English
Good idea ! I do not know a lot about arabic classical music but I like it, and I know there are recorders or some instruments which look like recorders for a long time in the arabic zone and I am very curious about it
Ps: could you give me some names of arabic lassical sounds which use recorder(s) please? If it exists!
Thanks for the idea! ❤️
@@Wazkaty
I don't know any classical arabic piece for Recorder but I know some arabic and iranian concertos for ney(let's say it is the arabic flute) also these concertos or ney pieces use the eastern scale (with 24 note instead of 12 note) So maybe will not like that much
if you want I will send you some of these pieces
@@Team_Recorder
I think it will be better to make post to ask your fans for their suggestions
Also I tried to send this idea to tow set violin several times so I think you should do it quickly or they will give you a copyright strike so you can say it's your own original series 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Note: thanks for your replying
@@user-dr3no5hi1i It would be very nice! I heard a lot arzbic music when I was a cjild so I am not disturb at all with the different harmonics, dont worry!
Thank you for answering me :)
All of the early baroque stuff I have found is Italian, or maybe English. Are there any non-vocal French composers?
I think early 17th century recorder music is fun and cool, too! 👍 😎 ♫
Sarah, beg your pardon, but as far as I understand, High Baroque is the first part of the period, not the last one.
Please let me know what's your take on this point. Regards.
She’s a stitch! 😄
All those baroque opuses with galante numbers as titles .. J.B.Lully was king
I think I detect some bird song influence in these pieces.
Early Baroque... you could call it Paleoclassic 😇
1000 € for a 'nino! I know the expertise and labor are worth it in the end but jeez -- it hurts a little bit. The tone truly is lovely though.
So according to my recorder builder friends the size of the recorder doesn't actually make it easier to build - so it's not like a soprano is necessarily easier or quicker than an alto, for being smaller. (unless we're talking the huge recorders, that have their own challenges in terms of physics, and need more wood). The tiny sopraninos are incredibly fiddly and actually tricker to get right, hence the higher price tag! Totally worth it for a professional instrument though.
To my ear it seems that the renaissance was a bit more "wandery" as if the composer was just exploring, whereas high baroque, like Bach and Vivaldi had much more of a pre planned journey.
That’s a fascinating analogy- check out the renaissance ‘ricercare’ pieces- ricercar means ‘searching’ 😊
lol why the Handel dis though?
Totally unintentional, I love Handel 😅
@@Team_Recorder haha, good to know... Thanks for the video.
I adore Handel especially as the recorder composer! Vivaldi is a genius but his music for the recorder is insane! Handel was really kind for he wrote his sonata in A minor for the recorder (for example) in a comfortable range. But Vivaldi is really likes crazy high notes, two octaves jumps and extremely fast tempo!
Ups, for those, who have seen my previous comment: You are right and I should buy new goggles
Y know how you sometimes get folk in the family who think anything released in the charts after the 1950s isnt music... Well, I have a very dear friend and viol player, that I play in an early music group with... He is my age (30s) and an enthusiast of all things Renaissance and Tudor. He is involved in historical reinactments and he dresses in full costume just to go do his food shop. He will NOT entertain repertoire for our group after 1700 as it's too modern for him... !
I wonder how older generations felt about new styles back then, did the teenagers of Van Eykes era (that he was employed to scare away) think of it like teenagers think of whatever is "Hip" today...?? And would their elders have thought all these trillo's were just an absolute racket... 😆
I once played a baroque sonata with a cellist on continuo. She remarked that it was about the earliest she ever played; for me it was about the modern-est.
@@victoreijkhout6146 It's funny because my favourite era, in general listening terms as well as recorder, is Medieval to Tudor and Renaissance- but solo wise I tend to end up playing mainly Baroque. Probably because there is SO much Baroque music available for recorders... And it is a lovely period musically.
I do enjoy playing contemporary as well, but not so much the very avant-garde stuff, although I respect it for some of the unusual and tricky techniques required.
I really want proper Renaissance and Medieval replica recorders ..eventually! I am about to upgrade my descant from plastic to wood and I think I am in need firstly of an 'All-rounder" probably the Kung Superio. It's great to see other early music fans here. We have a very nice community at #teamrecorder!
Not allegrA but allegrO, not fantàsia but fantasìa (change of the accent). Thanks.
Cool so my Italian edition says ‘alegra’ and ‘adasio’ insteqd of the more modern ‘allegro’ and ‘adagio’; I’m reading out what I see on the page. Terms changed a lot over time too, so it could be something you aren’t used to. I see your point about fantasía; we tend to pronounce it differently where I’m from but if you all understand me that’s the most important point.
old baby..
The Handel shade is readily forgiven, but the French shade? That irritates me no end, frankly. After all the 'baroque' recorder was devised at Louis XIV court because Lully wanted it. Please show some gratitude! What would you do as a recorder player without the Hotteterres? Screw Teleperson and all these gothic monstrosities. Good recorder music was endemic in France, at least after 1660. The value of those earlier Italian 'instrumental monodies' is disputable. As usual one should distinguish between "fun to play" and worth while studying/listening to. BTW, the written-out agréments (ornaments) were insisted upon by Couperin exactly because people's taste cannot be trusted.
The era of some pretty terrible kings, but amazing music. 😂
Do you do this in ye classroom? Your students must be exhausted by the end of class! You have more energy than a basket full of kittens.
The RICERCARE sound is for ‘searching’, but to me, most of the times is ‘getting lost’. The music form is just too random.
The pronunciation of the word "Fantasia" need some uppdate......
It can be pronounced multiple ways.
European music is without existence. If no contact with the North Africa and what the Oud did for Europe and guitars and without that there won't be famous rock bands. I'm a noob recorder and a noob fipple wannabe LoL 🤣😂😆 I never be as good as alot of people out there. I just love tooting so I give up on being a rockstar wanna