This was a great explanation for beginners till you got to the part where you would throw out the extra paper. We would print multiple-up of those last two pages on the one sheet, and print less sheets than the other two signatures. Though, as others have said, I would make that the center of the book and not the end, but I mostly work with saddle stitch. We generally work in multiples of 4 pages, but I have seen some printers put a single double sided page into a saddle stitch book (not dead center, but mixed in with the text). It's not pretty and I don't think most binders would do that.
You mentioned magazine, with that said some magazines and newspapers are printed on a web press. The pagination/imposition are different that is web-press versus sheet-fed press. For a web-press the technical terminology for the extra sheet is called a "dink." The dink pagination when printed will roll off the web press for newspaper/magazine style publications and is inserted inside the publication instead of glued and that we call perfect binding.
First part was explained clearly with the one sheet printed d/sided. The additional 4 pages could have also been printed 4-up on the same sheet - ergo, no waste, as opposed to throwing 3/4 of the blank sheet away.
They are signatures aren't they ? That can be stitched, they are layouts aren't they ? Each sheet is 4 pages, they can be folded and placed inside each other and stitched no? I'm not an expert and I'm trying to work it out.
@@youbuddha1 If you need imposition, I can do it and send you the file. I need part time jobs. Iam an layout artist for offset printing. You give me the file and after two hours or less I give you. full signatures just give me the size of your machines...
@youbuddha1. You may already know this by now. I was taught an easy way to "page through" a folded signature. Fold your sheet in the sequence of the folding machine. Then - with a sharp knife, cut a "V" shaped flap (like a tongue) right through your dummy sig. You can then write the page numbers on the flaps in sequence and you only need to underline the "6" and the "9" for clarity. Unfold your dummy sig. and you have your page layout without cutting/separating the pages! The guy in this video also missed another tip to pass on to the viewers. For sheet work, the sum of the page numbers of two adjacent/side by side pages (described here as the "printer's spread") will always add up to one more than the total number of pages in the signature. So page 1 next to page 16 means 1+ 16 = 17. I am pretty sure that this works for inserted signatures e.g. a 20pp booklet as a 16pp. sig. with a 4pp. outer/wrap. Maybe you could try this to improve your skills at page layout for print. Stay safe and well.
this is my current job.. I use Equios for imposition, i print arabic and english... so sometimes i got crazy because they have different flow,,, Arabic is in reverse paging.. LOL.... sometimes the clients mixed 2 languages...
2 16s and a four pager is what you created there. If it was getting saddle stitched. Most of the trimming for a perfect bound book is done on a cutter then perfect bound. If it was saddle stitched then the trimming (head,foot and face) would be done on the saddle stitcher.
If it where perfect bound you would have to allow for the grind off and build it on the spine. Depending on thickness the might also need a allowance for push.
you do not need to asked your folder operator what the imposition should be as long as your folding machines can fold 32 pages. the best fold for land scape is accordion fold for me. its like first fold and 3 chops...and you have 32 pages.
@tonofdynamite. You may already know this by now. You can fold a 32pp landscape section/signature as follows. For example with format size 900 x 640mm. fold the sheet in half to 450 x 640mm. (= 4 pages). Then make two parallel folds across the sheet to give 450 x 160mm (= 16 pages). Then make a single cross fold to 225 x 160mm. This folding sequence will give a 1 - up landscape 32pp section - untrimmed A5 - with a closed head for easy automated feeding. The binding margin is the 160mm dimension. A 66cm. infeed width folding machine with a minimum combination folder configuration "4KTL" or an all - buckle folder as a minimum of "4/4/2" (3 folding stations). Add an operator who knows what they are doing and you are on your way! Stay safe and well.
How does the paper grain fit into this? If you start out with long grain paper, the signature has the grain perpendicular to the spine. Is that an issue?
thank you but it can be done a bit better the left out page could be not the last page..its a lot more better for the binding part. you wont face problem with the cutting and gluing. I do layouts in Adobe Illustrator because we do not have a rip software but I think its the same and I always doing the left out page at the center of the book so when it comes to binding there will be no problem. Can you give me a part time online jobs for imposition? I need a part time job, our company is now not giving our salary. Saudi economy is on the low point now.
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This was a great explanation for beginners till you got to the part where you would throw out the extra paper. We would print multiple-up of those last two pages on the one sheet, and print less sheets than the other two signatures. Though, as others have said, I would make that the center of the book and not the end, but I mostly work with saddle stitch. We generally work in multiples of 4 pages, but I have seen some printers put a single double sided page into a saddle stitch book (not dead center, but mixed in with the text). It's not pretty and I don't think most binders would do that.
You mentioned magazine, with that said some magazines and newspapers are printed on a web press. The pagination/imposition are different that is web-press versus sheet-fed press. For a web-press the technical terminology for the extra sheet is called a "dink." The dink pagination when printed will roll off the web press for newspaper/magazine style publications and is inserted inside the publication instead of glued and that we call perfect binding.
This video gave me anxiety, but thanks for the info! I understand it a little bit better now
First part was explained clearly with the one sheet printed d/sided. The additional 4 pages could have also been printed 4-up on the same sheet - ergo, no waste, as opposed to throwing 3/4 of the blank sheet away.
Our work just bought a new plate machine from Kodak so we have to learn the long-winded imposition program
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You didn't mention the important fact that this was a perfect bound book. If it were saddle stitched than you would have to reconsider the imposition.
They are signatures aren't they ? That can be stitched, they are layouts aren't they ? Each sheet is 4 pages, they can be folded and placed inside each other and stitched no? I'm not an expert and I'm trying to work it out.
@@youbuddha1 If you need imposition, I can do it and send you the file. I need part time jobs. Iam an layout artist for offset printing. You give me the file and after two hours or less I give you. full signatures just give me the size of your machines...
@youbuddha1. You may already know this by now. I was taught an easy way to "page through" a folded signature. Fold your sheet in the sequence of the folding machine. Then - with a sharp knife, cut a "V" shaped flap (like a tongue) right through your dummy sig. You can then write the page numbers on the flaps in sequence and you only need to underline the "6" and the "9" for clarity. Unfold your dummy sig. and you have your page layout without cutting/separating the pages!
The guy in this video also missed another tip to pass on to the viewers. For sheet work, the sum of the page numbers of two adjacent/side by side pages (described here as the "printer's spread") will always add up to one more than the total number of pages in the signature. So page 1 next to page 16 means 1+ 16 = 17. I am pretty sure that this works for inserted signatures e.g. a 20pp booklet as a 16pp. sig. with a 4pp. outer/wrap. Maybe you could try this to improve your skills at page layout for print. Stay safe and well.
this is my current job.. I use Equios for imposition, i print arabic and english... so sometimes i got crazy because they have different flow,,, Arabic is in reverse paging.. LOL.... sometimes the clients mixed 2 languages...
2 16s and a four pager is what you created there. If it was getting saddle stitched. Most of the trimming for a perfect bound book is done on a cutter then perfect bound. If it was saddle stitched then the trimming (head,foot and face) would be done on the saddle stitcher.
If it where perfect bound you would have to allow for the grind off and build it on the spine. Depending on thickness the might also need a allowance for push.
5 sections of 32pp A5 landscape you may have to ask your Folder Operator what the imposition should be.
you do not need to asked your folder operator what the imposition should be as long as your folding machines can fold 32 pages. the best fold for land scape is accordion fold for me. its like first fold and 3 chops...and you have 32 pages.
I need part time jobs I can do your jobs imposition as part time. how ever big the file is ready signatures with instructions.
@tonofdynamite. You may already know this by now. You can fold a 32pp landscape section/signature as follows. For example with format size 900 x 640mm. fold the sheet in half to 450 x 640mm. (= 4 pages). Then make two parallel folds across the sheet to give 450 x 160mm (= 16 pages). Then make a single cross fold to 225 x 160mm. This folding sequence will give a 1 - up
landscape 32pp section - untrimmed A5 - with a closed head for easy automated feeding. The binding margin is the 160mm dimension.
A 66cm. infeed width folding machine with a minimum combination folder configuration "4KTL" or an all - buckle folder as a minimum of "4/4/2" (3 folding stations). Add an operator who knows what they are doing and you are on your way! Stay safe and well.
We still have to know it inorder to use the imposition software
How does the paper grain fit into this? If you start out with long grain paper, the signature has the grain perpendicular to the spine.
Is that an issue?
thank you but it can be done a bit better the left out page could be not the last page..its a lot more better for the binding part. you wont face problem with the cutting and gluing. I do layouts in Adobe Illustrator because we do not have a rip software but I think its the same and I always doing the left out page at the center of the book so when it comes to binding there will be no problem. Can you give me a part time online jobs for imposition? I need a part time job, our company is now not giving our salary. Saudi economy is on the low point now.
Nice
thanks man.
Thanks man but clearly not factd