I go over the Z button challenge, including which presses are unavoidable and what workarounds exist for the presses that are avoidable. Total Z Press Counts: Any%: 0 120 Star: 4
When Pannen drives he tries to drive with the least amount of brake presses... "Right here you would normally have to push the brakes once, but if you drive over the sidewalk it can be avoided. If someone is in the way, you will have to jump out of the car and move them and then get back in the car before it gets back on the road." "Once you reach the store, you just have to drive in circles until the vehicle comes to a stop. However, if someone is in the way, you'd have to push the brakes once to stop. This can be avoided by driving through the door of the store. You need to have a pixel perfect position to be able to go through the door. This also needs to be frame perfect, otherwise the door will not be open in time."
I love that even concepts as simple as crawling into an igloo are too pedestrian for the mighty pannen, he has to be a showoff and phase through the back like the 5 dimensional being he is.
You could probably make a April fools video on April 1st, giving detailed explanations on no controller challenge, no cartridge challenge, etc. Any absurd no X challenges
dragonvale19 it's from Watch for Falling Rocks in 0.5x A Presses, on Pannen's other channel. He pretty much spends 25 minutes describing the lengths he goes to just to save 0.5x A presses (he runs in place for 12 hours)
"showing a separate video for every star wouldn't be very interesting" That's fair Pannen, but I think you're underestimating how much people like your videos.
So, what would a minimum ABZ challenge look like? In order to avoid some Z presses, you create new A presses. Is this at all interesting or does the number of ABZ necessary presses total remain the same?
He has a playlist on his main channel of stars that can be done without pressing any buttons at all except the camera buttons - just search "No Buttons Allowed" and you'll find it.
This isn't quite what I mean. Let's say you have a run that's 37 A presses, 10 B presses, and 4 Z presses. Does it happen a lot of the time that if you eliminate an A press, you'll wind up with something like 36 A presses, 11 B presses, 4 Z presses?
So you're saying that when the PU entry to the moat door/VCutM was found, we shouldn't have been excited for a 1-key run, we instead should have been excited for saving a Z press for the VCutM entry? :P
But Pannen has to press A to jump out of bed and to study. He has to press A to make a video, since he can’t commentate because it’s hard. You never specified where he can’t press A.
I love people like you who devote so much time to show content like this from one game. So much like the Strider guy who does glitches for Paper Mario. I just love it.
Like an inverse Z Button Challenge--have the Z button held all the time you're not pressing other buttons, and press the Z button at the same time as you press any other button. Would be a lot of crawling though...
I've noticed that when Mario does a slidekick off a ledge, he bounces higher than when he does a slidekick on the ground. How does the game calculate how high Mario bounces? Is it a function of his vertical speed or his initial height?
Gravity is halved while performing a Slide Kick and becaus the first bounce of Slide Kick is considered an air action... Um it does something afterwards idk.
github.com/SM64-TAS-ABC/sm64_source/blob/c44ae2f3687ad83e6adf63f390fa188a89e52180/src/game/mario_actions_airborne.c#L1599 ...ok so it's "if you land during the first part of the slide kick action and your Y speed is less than zero [you're moving downwards], your Y speed is set to (- Y speed) / 2 and the second part of the slide kick begins" so if your Y speed is -26 (top DR VSC speed but negative) when you land then it becomes +13
I heard a story of a player who didn't have fingers because he cut them up while working with wood. But even then, he was able to beat SM64 so many times that he got BORED of the game and tradeud it. So apparently, the Z-Button isn't as important as the A and B buttons.
So much jumping... Well, this challenge seems absolutely perfected, unless a glitch will be discovered that allows you to somehow spanw new objects or whatever. But since you made these three videos, I'm worried that you don't have that many ideas for the A challenge left. Anyways, these other challenges are also worth a watch.
No bob-ombs, no cork boxes. You can grab the shell like in DDD and take it out of water but there's no loading zone to trigger the cloning effect so no, as of right now there's no exploit.
You can just beat SM64 with only 4 z presses on 0 stars (2 keys) - LBLJ to BitDW - SBLJ to BitFS - 50 Stars staircase BLJ - 70 Stars staircase BLJ on 1 key run, you still need 4 z presses - BLJ Outside to moat skip - SBLJ to BitFS - 50 Stars staircase BLJ - 70 Stars staircase BLJ
We might use the PU strat to enter VCutM in speedruns since we can spare to ground pound the pillars. Got some calculations to do whether it's worth the 90 minutes though.
There's a non-PU method of entering VCutM using BLJ (which isn't usable in the ZBC since long-jumping requires Z) and a downwards jump. It's used at the beginning of the 1 Key TAS.
Is there a good way to express how these challenges interact? Like if you want to avoid C presses, PU movement becomes less desirable, since the game crashes if the camera follows Mario, right?) I'm guessing for A and B presses though, it is hard to relate them, since you'd typically use a huge number of B presses to avoid an A press, for example.
Are there any cases where you can remove b presses or z presses, but not both? Like, is there some situation where at least one of these buttons must be pressed?
@@gnusnotutopia But cloning does not requires the use of Z button. Actually not twice but usually once. There are many ways to release an object without B and also a few ways to grab without B.
Is anybody gonna look for a way to get rid of the jjb star any time soon? I do feel like this challenge is a dud to get it to 0, but 3 might, just barely be possible.
Maybe the counter can be only 3 Z presses i don't if you can make the koppa shell in jrb to clone things like in ddd please try it because im bad at cloning things with the koppa shells :I
did you consider making a video about maximal button efficiency overall while making these? it'd be interesting to see how little interaction is actually required to complete the game
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When Pannen drives he tries to drive with the least amount of brake presses...
"Right here you would normally have to push the brakes once, but if you drive over the sidewalk it can be avoided. If someone is in the way, you will have to jump out of the car and move them and then get back in the car before it gets back on the road."
"Once you reach the store, you just have to drive in circles until the vehicle comes to a stop. However, if someone is in the way, you'd have to push the brakes once to stop. This can be avoided by driving through the door of the store. You need to have a pixel perfect position to be able to go through the door. This also needs to be frame perfect, otherwise the door will not be open in time."
Serious Table
what about gas%
don't even get me started on QPU alignment
amazing
minimum number of stickshift maneuvers
Serious Table I love this comment so much...
"From A to Y!"
"A to Y?"
"Yeah, A to Y, the alphabet, you know."
"How about Z?"
*"Z?"*
UltimateMemeMaster21 underrated comment
should be this:
"From A to Y!"
"A to Y?"
"Yeah, A to Y, you know the alphabet."
"How about Z?"
"Z?"
Spongebob reference.
A B C, L R Z, now I know my ABC's
Should have been "From B to Z"
I like how it's 50 PUs to fall into the gap right beside Mario
fair enough
So he makes it back to the main map so the loading zone is actually there...
Koopa Kaper yes, it's a joke. thank you very much.
spoot fhubhvguigrugireuiguiicigiigue
But you wouldn’t be QPU aligned.
I love that even concepts as simple as crawling into an igloo are too pedestrian for the mighty pannen, he has to be a showoff and phase through the back like the 5 dimensional being he is.
the first thing I thought was, the igloo is unavoidable. I've never been so wrong in my life.
+Joey Bonzo It seems like you don't even need TAS precision to avoid that one.
Noobie Sensei I was so certain, and it was effortlessly destroyed
Joey Bonzo I know your feeling.
Pretty sure you can just do a jump-dive to slide into it, no glitching required
Not restricting any button in particular, I wonder what is the minimum number of button presses required to beat the game any%.
And we still get the fruit back, yeah!
@@littleawesomeapple an hour ago
nvm
@@MrGlitch_YT but, for example, bljs make it faster, but it uses a lot of button presses
@@official-obama True
Ahh, my favourite show.
Pancake man breaks Superb Italian Plumbing Simulator
I always get so excited when the four PU screens show up :)
And also whenever File Select plays. It makes me feel right at home.
You could probably make a April fools video on April 1st, giving detailed explanations on no controller challenge, no cartridge challenge, etc. Any absurd no X challenges
And remember the no challenge challenge.
no analog stick challenge ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
mountain dew made of dew from a mountain Oh, thats easy.
You got me.
the invest in bitcoin challenge
No D Button Challenge
No Rumble Pak Challenge
No 64DD Challenge
No Electricity Challenge
No Technology Challenge
Still waiting for the no controller challenge
The only way to win is not to play?
Use an emulator and keyboard.
I'm waiting for the no game challenge.
Dexuz i'm waiting for the no-console challenge
WITH KINECT, YOU ARE THE CONTROLLER!
wait this is the first major button we can actually never use?
Iyadcqnsdqsl'o Ai² not exactly
Just you wait, soon we'll be at 0x a presses
Necrobones Plus we need 0x B presses as well since the Any% is at 4x right now.
In the future we will all play SM64 with our minds.
R
A Z Press is a Z Press. You can't say it's avoidable.
Nope Nelson where did this meme come from. Please tell me
dragonvale19 it's from Watch for Falling Rocks in 0.5x A Presses, on Pannen's other channel. He pretty much spends 25 minutes describing the lengths he goes to just to save 0.5x A presses (he runs in place for 12 hours)
Nope Nelson
Well Nope """"Nelson""""
The Z presses exist in all the PU's so you really don't press the button, the button presses you.
0.5 z presses
@@dracibatic2433 draciii
3 vids in a row,
I'm busting a fierce Seedot, as they can learn explosion.
XAngel MoonX ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
When you go on dates, when do you bring up your hobby?
Actually curious about this.
It's probably the first thing that he brings up.
Nothing gets a girl wetter than mad Super Mario 64 skills.
there's some assumptions in this question
Now why would he waste all that time doing that?
no time for dates, all mario 64 all the time
1:03 But you can get in the cage with some crazy elaborate negative momentum thing right?
1:08 .... well that works
The A button...A forbidden technique, but far stronger than any other...
+Worded Puppet
"A"yy
yee
Its PU Movement.
Mega Lucario 👀
Only thing missing now is the minimum buttons challenge
No Button Challenge/ABZ Challenge
Kunstkritik m.th-cam.com/play/PLmvvhlevqC2fXLL55ZQT1cesNmM2qHPn1.html
the 🇿 🇿utton 🇿hallenge
🅿🆗er
ze*
the legend of z
ZBC just doesn't roll off the tongue as well, y'know?
Danny Hayes it does when you pronounce it zee bee see
Danny Hayes ZBC?
Oh, nvm. Got it
The Foun try saying it like "Zed Bee See" that will be a lot harder
ajddavid452 I know, that is why I said zee bee see
conchudo12345 I ZED BEE SEE!!
"showing a separate video for every star wouldn't be very interesting"
That's fair Pannen, but I think you're underestimating how much people like your videos.
How many times have you pressed the upload button
FanceThePerson 3... or more
KeybladeGuru 13. I prefer japanese food.
Once for the first upload and keeps it held for subsequent ones.
None. You can use "tab" to select different sections of a webpage, then when you have the upload button selected you press enter.
Voshchronos _ TH-cam in 0.5 enter presses.
3:37 'It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye…'
~ Sam 'Serious' Stone, 2001.
Mario lost an eye when it went into the wall.
So, what would a minimum ABZ challenge look like? In order to avoid some Z presses, you create new A presses. Is this at all interesting or does the number of ABZ necessary presses total remain the same?
He has a playlist on his main channel of stars that can be done without pressing any buttons at all except the camera buttons - just search "No Buttons Allowed" and you'll find it.
This isn't quite what I mean. Let's say you have a run that's 37 A presses, 10 B presses, and 4 Z presses. Does it happen a lot of the time that if you eliminate an A press, you'll wind up with something like 36 A presses, 11 B presses, 4 Z presses?
Eh, nevermind, now that I'm more awake, the question doesn't seem so interesting. \:
A Button Zhallenge?
@@groszak1 Its actually ABZBC but shortened to ABZ Challenge
So you're saying that when the PU entry to the moat door/VCutM was found, we shouldn't have been excited for a 1-key run, we instead should have been excited for saving a Z press for the VCutM entry? :P
LAppelDuVideo two presses
1-key run?
@@MateusSFigueiredo Only collecting 1 bowser key instead of required 2.
Time: 6:40
What to play: Mario 64
No: A presses
Normal day for UncommentatedPannen
Woah
But Pannen has to press A to jump out of bed and to study. He has to press A to make a video, since he can’t commentate because it’s hard. You never specified where he can’t press A.
2:37 i think we're all pretty familiar with this 100 coin star by now
No Z button Any% TAS when?
the wild jamie I'm pretty sure the normal any% tas doesn't use the Z button.
I know, I'm just joking.
the wild jamie I'm not certain though.
the wild jamie A 100% Tas would be cool though.
raydarable It uses BLJ 2x for moat door skip, for DDD bowser sub skip, 50 star door and endless stairs skip, and others.
I love people like you who devote so much time to show content like this from one game. So much like the Strider guy who does glitches for Paper Mario. I just love it.
1:15 Earwig
Great content as usual, Pannen!
It could be interesting to see a run where all jumping-related inputs must use the Z-Button related jumps.
Like an inverse Z Button Challenge--have the Z button held all the time you're not pressing other buttons, and press the Z button at the same time as you press any other button. Would be a lot of crawling though...
There are many ways to cancel a crawl. So such tricks could be used.
heres the a list:
normal a jump standing still: backflip
normal a jump moving: long jump
a+z= ground pound
*starts building up speed*
oh no, man, he's doing it again
I once completed the 0 L button challenge. I got all 120 stars. It was brutal.
I've noticed that when Mario does a slidekick off a ledge, he bounces higher than when he does a slidekick on the ground. How does the game calculate how high Mario bounces? Is it a function of his vertical speed or his initial height?
Heave-Ho smart question. I wonder too
Gravity is halved while performing a Slide Kick and becaus the first bounce of Slide Kick is considered an air action...
Um it does something afterwards idk.
github.com/SM64-TAS-ABC/sm64_source/blob/c44ae2f3687ad83e6adf63f390fa188a89e52180/src/game/mario_actions_airborne.c#L1599
...ok so it's "if you land during the first part of the slide kick action and your Y speed is less than zero [you're moving downwards], your Y speed is set to (- Y speed) / 2 and the second part of the slide kick begins"
so if your Y speed is -26 (top DR VSC speed but negative) when you land then it becomes +13
@@meta04 Thanks volleo
Shoutouts to the OG ABC crew who were given the crappy 3rd party controllers.
All this just so Mario doesn't have to get a sore butt.
I remember playing the game without pressing Z. My controller was broken. Felt bad man.
I wish a prototype of this game would leak to see what crazy shit the speedrunners would do in it.
he what are you doing tonight?
i am gonna wait 92 minutes for the right speed so I can skip 2 Z presses in super mario 64
Now beat the game without pressing A,B, or Z.
I can never tell if all these glowing positive comments on Pannen's videos are sarcastic or genuine
NOTE: You can't clone in JRB so don't say you can avoid that ground pound
Why not though?
when you see the spd in the top left you know shit's about to start
3:55 You had to go right 50 PUs just to enter a hole you were right in front of?
That just looks really weird...
well he had to go back to the original pu eventually
This is the most I’ve ever seen Pannen use the A button!
I heard a story of a player who didn't have fingers because he cut them up while working with wood.
But even then, he was able to beat SM64 so many times that he got BORED of the game and tradeud it.
So apparently, the Z-Button isn't as important as the A and B buttons.
The Z button doesn’t work on my n64 controller this’ll work great for me
Pannenkoek's therapist: The button can't hurt you, they don't exist.
The buttons: Allow us to introduce ourselves
So, it's a truly beatable challenge. Nice.
this guy is a genius
I always find it strangely funny when the star celebration gets cut off early
So much jumping...
Well, this challenge seems absolutely perfected, unless a glitch will be discovered that allows you to somehow spanw new objects or whatever. But since you made these three videos, I'm worried that you don't have that many ideas for the A challenge left. Anyways, these other challenges are also worth a watch.
A pannenkoek video is incomplete without the 4 PU screens
I love your channels
Now we need a no B *and* no Z button challenge.
This challenge would be permanently squished emulator.
3:01 anyone else get anxious from that jump
*HERE WE*
next is the ultimate " no button press " challenge
How do you get that speed counter?
Wait, an iglo in Snowman's land? I don't think I've ever been there! :o
3:20 hell yeah PU movement
What's the fewest total number of A, B, and Z button presses required to complete the game?
Is there no cloning exploit in JRB? I could've sworn you made a coin high score video on it...
No bob-ombs, no cork boxes. You can grab the shell like in DDD and take it out of water but there's no loading zone to trigger the cloning effect so no, as of right now there's no exploit.
There are 104 coins in JRB and -either she collected 104 coins or- he collected them.
Edit: He has a male voice
No cloning method in JRB has been discovered so far. You can't grab a shell fake without a loading zone.
And to avoid pressing Z you have to press A and B.
I never knew why we couldn't just get behind and kick King Whomp...
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN
You can just beat SM64 with only 4 z presses on 0 stars (2 keys)
- LBLJ to BitDW
- SBLJ to BitFS
- 50 Stars staircase BLJ
- 70 Stars staircase BLJ
on 1 key run, you still need 4 z presses
- BLJ Outside to moat skip
- SBLJ to BitFS
- 50 Stars staircase BLJ
- 70 Stars staircase BLJ
So the only way to clone coins is with a bombomb, right?
Any unloaded item (anything that Mario can carry) can be used to clone a coin
So if that's the case, does that mean that the water koopa shells are too finicky to work with?
nahnah390 It is possible to clone shells as long as there is a loading zone
He uses a water shell in this very video when talking about saving a z press in the DDD 100 coins.
lisamariefan so why not in JRB?
We might use the PU strat to enter VCutM in speedruns since we can spare to ground pound the pillars. Got some calculations to do whether it's worth the 90 minutes though.
There's a non-PU method of entering VCutM using BLJ (which isn't usable in the ZBC since long-jumping requires Z) and a downwards jump. It's used at the beginning of the 1 Key TAS.
Is there a good way to express how these challenges interact?
Like if you want to avoid C presses, PU movement becomes less desirable, since the game crashes if the camera follows Mario, right?)
I'm guessing for A and B presses though, it is hard to relate them, since you'd typically use a huge number of B presses to avoid an A press, for example.
Button-less/ABZ
I haven't played this game in over a decade why am I watching this!?
We need the Start Button Challenge.
It's here: th-cam.com/video/9WSsMgJSK98/w-d-xo.html
every time i see the PU trick I think of star trek warp speed
great job Mr. pancake
Are there any cases where you can remove b presses or z presses, but not both? Like, is there some situation where at least one of these buttons must be pressed?
Casual Graphman i highly highly doubt it. Very smart question though. I still have yet to comprehend the exact implications of it
Cloning requires the B button to be pressed twice, so yes.
@@gnusnotutopia But cloning does not requires the use of Z button. Actually not twice but usually once. There are many ways to release an object without B and also a few ways to grab without B.
100 coins on DDD and TTC (either ground pound the blue coin block (Z press), or grab the object to clone and release it (B press)).
Mario traveling to a different pu just so he doesn't have to ground pound
One day he'll find out a way of beating the game without picking up the controller
Good thing my N64's controller can only regester d-pad, start, L, c buttons, and only up on the joystick. Now even I can beat this game!
That PU movement looks a tad familiar...
Benton Stacy ikr
Jolly Roger Bay 100 coins. This was one of the last stars i would expect for this challenge.
Next video: How many licks dos sit take to get to the center of a Tootsie pop?
SM64-To the Center of the Tootsie Pop-0x Licks
jdjsnsnsaga yeheh
270
but is there a 0.5 Z button press?
if you hold Z from the start of the level
well.. it doesn't have quite the same application as an 0.5 a press lol
Remember: Holding down Z makes you crawl. Speedrun tactics.
If you couldn't clip into the igloo, you would need a 0.5 z press to crawl into the igloo
Rhino1004 Like that one TAS competitio, where he crawled all the way across Shifting Sand Land
You should go to AGDQ and do some kind of speed run challenge
IT LIVES
Yay! We win at at least one button challenge!
OH MY GOODNESS SO MANY VIDEOS AT ONCE HYYYYYPE!
3:26 now we build up speed for 12 hours.
Eventually, pannen was able to beat Mario 64 with his Atari controller
I’m waiting for the Button Audit challenge, where all button presses are counted and the lowest number wins. Like a Controller Low% run, haha
Question: when you hit the Vanish Block switch to exit the secret course, does the moat suddenly become undrained?
No
what about the wall jump and frozen platform star? don't you need a long jump to get there?
So, what is the lowest number of button presses the game came be completed in? (non-joystick)
Is anybody gonna look for a way to get rid of the jjb star any time soon? I do feel like this challenge is a dud to get it to 0, but 3 might, just barely be possible.
pretty neat that Z presses aren't really that much required
Next challenge: 0 button presses on 120 star.
Select button challenge
Now the stick challenge.
When is there going to be a no Cartridge/ROM/Emulator challenge?
He forgot to mention you have to normally long jump in Wall Kicks Will Work
The Rocksmasher
No long jumps are required for that star.
Ik
But of course you can skip that
You can't collect that star with long jump though. You can use Spindrift if you want to do it Wall Kick-less.
Maybe the counter can be only 3 Z presses i don't if you can make the koppa shell in jrb to clone things like in ddd please try it because im bad at cloning things with the koppa shells :I
did you consider making a video about maximal button efficiency overall while making these? it'd be interesting to see how little interaction is actually required to complete the game
See the No Buttons Allowed series!
I think that the most challenging one is the A botton challenge it should be done with all Mario games that require the A botton
You cannot go up without A button in many Mario games
So when are we going to beat SM64 without any button presses at all?