The easiest and fastest way to improve your reloads?
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- In this video I test a new way to make your reloads more accurate. We compare the accuracy (precision) with and without neck lube to see how good the results are.
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Want to see how case neck lube performs vs neck turning? - th-cam.com/video/vjbeH6rA3E0/w-d-xo.html
I would rather see how it compares to loading with HBN coated bullets. Then see how neck turning plus lube/HBN works.
I’ve been using the neo lube for some time in my reloading for F-Class competition! It’s great stuff & improved my scores
I ran a test once on my 300 Win Mag along the same lines... I loaded 40 rounds, 10 in each group... Unbrushed, no lube. Unbrushed with lube. Brushed, no lube. Brushed, with lube. The lube was simply Hornady Unique applied to the bearing surface of the projectiles.
I remember seeing a difference in ES/SD... But I don't remember if group size was significantly impacted.
Unfortunately, I lost my notes on the test and can't recall which prep regimen yielded the best results.
Getting ready to load some more ammo. May have to repeat the test.
Really glad to see this. We use this stuff everyday at work. Especially on stainless fasteners. And it works great for that application. I've thought about using it for neck lube more than once.
Just for science I gave this a try on a cheap 308 reload altough I used a little drop of silicon oil on a Q-tip instead of that graphite suspension which is totally unobtainable in this part of the world. Seating felt extremely consistent and chronograph results were stunning, that particular load went from SD 12 and ES 46 on 10 rounds down to SD 7 and ES 23, still on 10 rounds.
I'll probably ditch the silicon oil for the next batch because I don't know what may happen in the barrel on the long run, but at least I'm sold on the idea of lubing the inside of the necks prior to bullet seating.
Glad to see you back!
I gave up on chasing sd/es. If I put 5 shots into the same hole at 100 yards I'll take that anyday over sd/es in the single digits. My best groups are with high sd/es. Go figure.
Nice. For practical purposes thats just awesome and plenty good
You can do that if you're not shooting at distance. There is a reason the LR guys watch ES/SD.
That's all fine and good. But when you start shooting further and further it starts making a big difference. I don't deem a load good before my 10rd sample is below 15 ES.
As long as you are only shooting to say 300, this may hold up. But as you start reaching out to 1000, ES will start making a difference in verticals distribution.
@@MasterEngraverTV For man sized vertical spreads SD of less than 20 is fine.
Please do a bit on how the Tubb’s HBN compare!
I tried that and it went from 1/2 moa to looking like I was was shooting buckshot at 100. The groups grew to over 2 inches. Maybe I was doing something wrong idk. It made a difference but the wrong way!
Looks promising, I may have to try some.
I do like this since about 10 years, but with homemade liquid moly, works extremly well. Seating force are super consistant, sd and es extremely low (but also depends others variables).
Liquid moly, like the black molybdenum grease?!
@@DracoOmnia ultra fine moly powder (for bullets coating) + isopropanol alcohol
Now I'm curious how the homemade blend compares to the neolube no.2. Considering the homemade is likely lots cheaper if the performance is similar it could end up being like lanolin for cheaper case lube.
@@Rickjames127 Many shooters use moly, same results on target, moly is less abrasive (in the barrels), but more sensitive to humidity, it's a choice.
@@therangersbulldogs6350 Thanks for the fast response. Are there any sites you can link with this info? Barrel life is a finnicky thing to predict are there sites/forums with empirical evidence showing longer barrel life?
There's often graphite in smokeless powder. So at what amount is the abrasion higher than the base powder? The humidity has been much higher than usual this year for me. I'd love to see some side by side tests.
Which would be better for abrasion to put the product on the interior of the case neck or on the outside of the bullet? Which results in more consistent seating pressure and release?
Love your tips. This one I have been doing for nearly 20 years now. But I have been using "Lock-Ease" liquid or plain powdered graphite. My chrono results come out about the same for both.
Looks great, but not sure why the Redding Imperial dry lube in media wouldn’t do the same thing. (?) I already dunk the neck in that before running a mandrel before bullet seating, so know there’s still a residue inside the case neck. Numbers don’t lie, so I’m sure you’re onto something, but the dry lube might offer the same benefit.
P.S. I see this was addressed further down in the comments. I’ll have to consider how adding the neolube to the dry media inside the necks will work in practice, but it sounds promising.
Good info, thanks for sharing
How much difference did you find between the neo, moly and dry neck lube?
B'laster Industrial Graphite Dry Lubricant - 5.5-Ounces - $6 on amazon. I just ordered some to test.
Did it work?
Posted last month . Compare GRAPHENE with the prep . Its closest to what u use on your cell phone. See if u like it
Very interesting video - thank you!!!
I wonder if you rub a little sizing wax on the bullet and then seat it if you would get the same results.
Can you verify that your using a nylon brush and not a bronze brush to the necks, before neolube is applied? Thanks for the video! 👍
Thank you,
I have it on order from you links! Great video!
I recently used Neolube and noticed some odd oxidation in the neck ID after firing. Checking to see if this is normal, wish I could post a pic to get your opinion.
Quick question ... Neolube before "Mandrel", or before "Seating"?
I have the same question; hopefully we get a response.
🤔🤔 is this a joke? Before bullet seating. You two should stay clear of this hobby. Seriously. Common sense and logic ran out on both of you even when its being explained.
@@equalleftrights3130 Wow ... someone is having a "cranky-pants-toddler-day". I hope tomorrow is better for you ... consider a longer nap.
@@equalleftrights3130 stop gate keeping
Hi Rusty, Its before seating.
Can't get it in the UK. I winder how simple powdered graphite mixed with isopropyl at home compares?
I’m thinking about trying it with 99% isopropyl and powder graphite. The 70-90% from the pharmacist has too much water in it.
@@philiphudson880 Hi, have you tried the mix ? I'm in the same situation on the other side of the channel and looking for some substitute product.
Is Neolube the same thing as colloidal graphite? I saw Eric Cortina interview someone who used the latter to coat the barrel after cleaning so as to reduce the cold bore shot affect in benchrest if I remember correctly.
If it’s just alcohol and graphite couldn’t you just make your own super cheap? Is there anything else in it?
Are you still using dry lube before mandrel, and then using this after all case prep is done prior to powder?
Can you lube the bullet vs neck?
I hope you load a controller group and a lubed group and let them sit on the shelf for 2 months then go shoot them. See if the cold weld idea is affected
what kind of Q tip are you using?
Hi John, The link is posted in the description. Its a "Foam Swab Cleaning Swab"
What’s the theory behind it? Why does it work? Thank you for the video!
Graphite is a dry lubricant, putting it in a suspension of alcohol allows you to apply a very thin, reasonably consistent layer of the graphite across the intended surface and alcohol evaporates pretty quickly at room temperatures (also called flashing off).
@@DracoOmnia You answered the operation of it. Thank you. But why does this work? Why is graphite in the neck helpful? It seems it would be similar to using a larger mandrel and decreasing neck tension.
@@clays7741 ah, it reduces the amount of force you need to insert the projectile, the current groupthink is that the less pressure you can consistently get to (key caveat, whilst maintaining neck tension) the better for accuracy. If you watch the video he references in this one he's got a load sensor in his press and measures the the pressure it takes for various neck lube versions and this stuff provided the most consistent spread on a graph, with the least pressure spike.
@@DracoOmnia Thank you for the great answer!
@@clays7741 It would also reduce the potential for neck weld. As a bullet sits gripped in the case the brass and copper bond over time which creates another variable in the release pressure of the bullet. That's one reason F-class guys seat long for transport and then seat to length the night before the match. It breaks any weld, resets the baseline release pressure, and they know seating depth didn't get knocked out while travelling.
Is this the same as leaving the carbon inside your neck lol 🤷
Seems like it to me. I quit SS pin washing my brass and found it easier to seat the projectile.
Must be good stuff, it's all sold out.
Dude I have watched some your videos, and what I will say: nice tests and reviews BUT you need good accurate rifle where we will see better RESULTS and differences. Watch @Brian Zolnikov, and u will see the differences in results. With crappy $500 walmart rifle you are wasting yours and our time & components. No matter what kind of lube/neck tension/seating force you are testing, you groups still 1 moa. Hope this make sense.