Initially I thought it was the F-16 pilot's fault, that he'd flown too close and made Flight 94 fly directly into its airstream, but now its hard to pinpoint the blame as the airline could have thought the parts were real, and the people making the bogus parts could've thought nothing bad would happen since some were restoring old parts. It's still the black market's fault and maybe even the airline's if they knew, hard to pinpoint blame past that, but definitely the black market.
(1) The pilots should have NOT have flown on the APU. Plane should have been grounded for repairs, but a plane on the ground generates zero revenue and incurs repair costs, and pilots are bootlickers. (2) Maintenance and repair crews always try to cut corners in order to get a plane airborne, also bootlickers. (3) The financially distressed airline knowingly bought unauthorized parts to save money. Most plane disasters are caused by what happens - or does not happen - on the ground.
Same as first responders cops respond after the crime but not there to stop it. Investigators find out why after the accident but can't monitor to prevent before hand
I worked at a repair station. One of the bosses, told me my reports were too detailed. A guy they were training to become manager, they had him rewrite my reports. I started taking screen shots of my reports. To show what I wrote compared to the rewrite that was still under my name, in case an investigation ever happened. I didn't want to have to take responsibility for the actions of something I didn't write.
Thats sounds a bit illegal. Change someone report without clearly indicating that it. It mean revisein or making a summuary a report is not uncommon, but they have to indicate that it was and who revised it. They probably just don't want to read it all and keep still under your name in case something happens. You probably need proof that your boss told you that in a email and proof anyone wrote it too
Honestly IF they "Re-wrote" your reports but they still had your signature on them you can still be held liable knowing this was the case. With one exception IF they were hand written then a hand writing analysis would put you in the clear. Great idea on the screen shots. "CYA"
God bless Mr. Heimdal! I have seen every single episode of this series multiple times, and he is one of my very favorite investigators. He fully deserved his promotion. You could tell that he literally did this job to save human lives, and deeply hurt for the ones we lost to get to this point.
So sad that the pilots were just months away from retiring and ended up dying in this accident. They didn't even get to enjoy retirement. 😪 RIP to everyone.
For the want of a nail, a shoe was lost. For want of a shoe, a horse was lost. For want of a horse, a knight was lost. For want of a knight, the skirmish was lost, so went the battle, so went the war, all for the want of a nail.
Immensely sad and devastating accident due to "improper maintenance and use of counterfeit aircraft parts". Rip Cap. Knut Tveiten and F.O. Finn Petter Berg (both just about to retire incomprehensible) all 55 souls and 5 crew members on Partnair Flight 304 they did not die in vain. Excellent investigation. RIP. ✝
Don't SAY his investigation possibly saved lives, HIS INVESTIGATION DAMN SURE DID SAVE LIVES and MILLIONS of lives each day ARE SAFER because he was able to prove that these companies were more worried about bottomlines than keeping the hundreds of lives they fly around safe
So impressive how they were able to find the cause of the crash with so little information (no voice recorder and limited/compromised flight recorder information).
Heimdal is one heck of an investigator. His team finally nailed down the cause. Counterfeit parts should not be present in these type of aircraft for obvious reasons.
@@blankman8021 hmmmmm There is 8 billion people, the chances of that maintenance worker watching this video, commenting on this reply is a 1 in a million
@@blankman8021 exactly unless you searched it up but I saw your account, it was made 2 months ago which is another reason why I find it hard to believe Hmmmmmm
I don't think I'm addicted, but I do like to watch the new ones. :) They reinforce my decision to stop flying commercial, which I did many years ago. Don't miss it at all, especially when watching these! If I can't drive there, I don't go!
We are starting to see this same aftermarket business in the auto repair industry too. My daughter’s car was being repaired and the mechanic let me know that the insurance would only pay for an aftermarket part. I refused on the account that unless it was the cars actual part, I would not unsafely put her back on the road. Most are probably okay but will you take the chance? I think the actions of the insurance companies only approving the lesser part ,proves what eventually drives this bogus part madness.
It is a big problem, I have had SO many cases where the original part lasted >200,000 miles and then once you replace it you replace it every 20,000. Even if you buy Delco, Motorcraft, Mopar parts, in a new box and everything, they often don't last. I think there are a lot of counterfeit parts there as well. They're refurbished parts put in an OEM box.
Many years ago, I replaced a failed water pump and discovered that the original pump was poorly designed so that the impeller couldn’t last. The replacement was much better. Original equipment can be junk, too.
That's nothing new. Repair parts have been around for 100yrs. Some worse and some better. If the OE is called to be a grade 5, a grade 7 is just fine. 50,000psi transverse rupture strength bolt is quite stronger than the aluminum frame that it's riveted to. And I don't believe they actually found all the Bolts that were a mile underwater. They probably came from the ships galley.
but this goes back to henry ford as an example.he made all of his parts that way he could control the quality of parts thing should be the same for aircraft,because when you outsource all of your parts you really have no way on how the parts are built and quality becomes a concern
I work for a company that produces a product for a MAJOR company. So many people this it’s safe to use but I see how some parts of this things are made. The people around me making them DO NOT CARE
It's interesting that the CVR, while recording the beginning of the flight instead of the last moments before the accident, still revealed useful information. Also usually airlines in financial trouble are often guilty of maintenance neglect. In this case, it seems that they did their maintenance in good faith and had no idea that their plane had bogus parts.
In this day and age you can’t trust anyone. Every-time I take my car for oil change, I always check the oil level, leaks etc. My uncle’s engine blew up when the mechanic forgot to refill the oil. Hopefully airline operators hire 3rd party auditors that can double check the mechanics work
@@siamimam2109 Bogus parts are so insidious. Unless the auditor is with the mechanic, I don't think it would work. These are very difficult to tell _after_ they are used as real replacement parts.
To combat counterfeit material, the FAA instituted Suspected Unapproved Parts (SUP) Program. US airlines now have documented procedures and personnel training to identify and report bogus material. Other National Aviation Authorities (NAA) e.g. EASA require the same. When an airline procures material, back-to-birth documentation and or a Certificate of Conformity has to be provided.
This is why a stringent regulatory regime is essential. Even if requirements are onerous. I can't accept the obsession with deregulation that motivated and motivate people.
Considering how mountainous Norway is, I'm rather impressed that this is the worst plane accident in the country's history. Not diminishing the effects of the deaths on the families and friends, but 55 is relatively low for a "worst crash." That says a lot of positive things about Norway's flight safety record.
Don't forget - how did bogus parts get into even the FAA stash? The mandatory call for bids and you need to take the lowest offer. That system literally attracts that kind of wrongdoers.
@@KNR90 Its been like that far back before the invention of flight. One example would be the low bid taken by the Royal Navy for the Ships HMS Erebus and HMS Terror in 1845. The Navy took a low bid on can goods meant to keep the crews nourished for long arctic journeys. This was because their last voyage was to find a Northwest Passage in northern Canada. It was discovered the cans were improperly sealed and may have contaminated the contents with lead.
Seemingly, nearly every plane crash was, in some way, attributable to some part of the "industry chain" trying to save money. Also, why are investigators making "recommendations" and not DIRECTIVES?
Another case of harmonic vibration occurred in the Lockheed Electra. I think there were at least 2 crashes before engineers realized that the engines and wings could vibrate together until they ripped off the aircraft. Tell City??
The tragic irony is that it was the pilots’ dedication and quick thinking that ultimately doomed them. If they weren’t willing to pay the caterers out of their own pockets or think of the APU solution, they wouldn’t have taken off and wouldn’t have crashed.
This accident is a strong argument for engineers and tech/science to be in charge of finances and safety vs the academic/financial classes. With final administrative/punitive authority.
27:16 . I’d say; The F16 caused the plane to suddenly dive from jet wash. The failed APu mounts allowed the APU exhaust to heat up the fuselage (read: tail fin) the wild dive and roll of the plane from the jet wash caused the tail to break off the plane; thus break up before hitting the water.
so few are needed,, they are replaced after years so not many are made and the specifications and standards are extremely high. If you only manufacture 2000 of them thats a high cost as opposed to 100,000 or millions for other standard bolts
Quality control standards, inspection and certification costs, environmental testing costs. You’re not paying for the part you’re paying for the cost the company had to pay to build test certify and sell that part
Also, these are no mere ordinary Bolts! Such Parts in the Aeronautics Industry have to be extremely Strong, Reliable, Resistant to many types of hazards (corrosion, structural stress & metal fatigue, vibration, etc.) that would wear down normal Bolts very fast. They are made to extremely stringent Standards & Specifications, are usually made from completely different Materials than ordinary Bolts/Fasteners, using much more expensive Metals and Alloys and thus obviously much more expensive Manufacturing Processes, on top of what other people said regarding the Quality Control Standards, Inspection & Certification Costs, Environmental & Stress Testing Costs, and much much more! All this, including that those Parts are produced on a much smaller scale than regular Hardware Store Bolts, are all very legitimate Factors in the end Cost of Aeronautical Parts. They're also designed and tested by extremely qualified personnel (tons of them possessing a PHD), which also drives up Costs! But that's the Price to pay for Extreme Reliability under Extreme Conditions! Just like Aerospace Components.
I thought when Western Canada was mentioned the problem would be traced back there, but in the back of my mind I joked it would be Miami. Of course it was Miami.
There are *many* after-market auto parts. My mechanic uses them, w/o issue. Sometimes its a recall issue, then it must go to the dealer, but for the most part, I'm used to after-market parts. Never has been an issue...but > am I whistling in the dark, at this date?!
*Partnair Flight 394 was a chartered flight that crashed on 8 September 1989 off the coast of Denmark, 18 kilometres (11 mi; 10 nmi) north of Hirtshals. All fifty passengers and five crew members on board the aircraft died, making this the deadliest disaster in Danish aviation history. The crash was caused by improper maintenance and use of counterfeit aircraft parts.*
Bogus spare parts in the supply feed. Here is another reason why we have gov regulations and this is why mindlessly rolling them back can put our lives at risk.
Schiavo notes that corrupt aircraft replacement parts operations thrived in the 80's. This period, we recall, was when DEregulation advocates of the GOP loudly condemned government regulation.
Why didn't the bolts cause problems on 16 flights but suddenly on the 17th? could it be because those bolts had reached their load point? The not-bogus bolts might have a load point that says 50.000 flight hours, and the bogus ones just 1000.
Irregardless of the grade of bolt, it must be torqued per specs. If you over-tighten the best of bolt, it will stretch/yield and then be as good as broken. I'd rather have a grade7 properly tightened than a grade8 over-tightened any time.
@Jay Talents lol thinking the same thing. The fear of hearing them say over the intercom “we have to land the plane in the ocean” keeps me on land. 🙋🏼♀️
He said "there are 6 million moving parts on a 747". The aren't 6 million parts and only a fraction of the actual number of parts move relative to one another. What a huge exaggeration holy cow! One statement like that totally ruins the entire show, how many other outright lies did they tell?
I shouldn't be watching these horrible and tragic events I pray me or my kids ever experience none of this but they have captured my attention I've watched over 10 and I'm afraid to fly now I am scared but I've watched most of the videos very tragic and horrible but yet very interested
Please don’t be worried about flying🙏 Your much more likely to have accident while driving down the road. This is coming from someone that hates flying too🙂
I don't know anything about airplane design, but am I the only one in the world that thinks just four tiny little bolts holding on the entire tail assembly of a commercial airliner is an incredibly bad idea?? That sounds to me like attaching the head shields on the space shuttle with duct tape and crazy glue.
@@ipodhty We're not talking about a helicopter here friend, but a humongous commercial airliner!! How much does a HELICOPTER weigh, and what kind of G forces are put upon it? How many passengers does a chopper hold?? And isn't it rather obvious to you that these "4 good bolts" actually FAILED?? Am I missing something here???
Bolts cost as much as 200 dollars, while the counterfeit parts are as little as 30. Heres the problem right there, you're so busy regulating that parts be authentic (which is good) but how about you regulate that these parts are reasonably priced??? Bolt shouldn't be no more than ten bucks considering they spent MILLIONS on the plane! THIS is where regulations need to occur
I always SMH when these tiny planes from airlines no one has ever heard of with a small amount of people on the airplane, must be a victim of a major terrorist event.
No, they design in a safety margin of 2 or greater which means means any structural component, bolts included need to be able to withstand at least double their design load before failing. That plane honestly could've gotten away with just 2 bolts holding the tail on (assuming said bolts are true aviation grade bolts). They're made of inconel (i think) either that or some titanium based super-alloy, point is they're a lot stronger than steel bolts of the same size.
The fact that they were allowed to alter a cockpit voice recorder that is the only way to find out what happened 10 years before means that the regulating authority wasn’t doing there job I have a lot fix it only needs a sport license to fly and I have a cvt in it just in case I also have a flight data recorder on my aircraft they can no longer be used for commercial purposes but It will work for my application and it runs off the battery and the battery alone
an F-16 flying overhead seconds before this plane goes down is an awful coincidence. good luck ever getting the miltiary to own up to accidentally taking down an airliner. that is exactly what happened to TWA 800 but no one will ever know about it.
BOEING should make instructions for dummies, they should not treat pilots like rocket engineers. AirBus have pilots that don’t know how to fly an airplane, they rely too much on the computer to fly the plane for them.
"Investigators looking into the mysterious downing of a passenger jet over the North Sea..." ‐------------------------- Not a jet, but a propeller-driven aircraft. Does the publisher have a script editor?
aaand now all parts have to "aviation" approved and that has tooooootaly not massively increased the price of plane maintenance due to red tape monopiles...... some fixes are overkill
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Who is responsible for Partnair Flight #394 disaster?
Initially I thought it was the F-16 pilot's fault, that he'd flown too close and made Flight 94 fly directly into its airstream, but now its hard to pinpoint the blame as the airline could have thought the parts were real, and the people making the bogus parts could've thought nothing bad would happen since some were restoring old parts. It's still the black market's fault and maybe even the airline's if they knew, hard to pinpoint blame past that, but definitely the black market.
The peanuts were bad
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(1) The pilots should have NOT have flown on the APU. Plane should have been grounded for repairs, but a plane on the ground generates zero revenue and incurs repair costs, and pilots are bootlickers. (2) Maintenance and repair crews always try to cut corners in order to get a plane airborne, also bootlickers. (3) The financially distressed airline knowingly bought unauthorized parts to save money. Most plane disasters are caused by what happens - or does not happen - on the ground.
Same as first responders cops respond after the crime but not there to stop it. Investigators find out why after the accident but can't monitor to prevent before hand
I worked at a repair station. One of the bosses, told me my reports were too detailed. A guy they were training to become manager, they had him rewrite my reports.
I started taking screen shots of my reports. To show what I wrote compared to the rewrite that was still under my name, in case an investigation ever happened. I didn't want to have to take responsibility for the actions of something I didn't write.
Thats sounds a bit illegal. Change someone report without clearly indicating that it. It mean revisein or making a summuary a report is not uncommon, but they have to indicate that it was and who revised it. They probably just don't want to read it all and keep still under your name in case something happens. You probably need proof that your boss told you that in a email and proof anyone wrote it too
Honestly IF they "Re-wrote" your reports but they still had your signature on them you can still be held liable knowing this was the case.
With one exception IF they were hand written then a hand writing analysis would put you in the clear. Great idea on the screen shots. "CYA"
Smart. !!!
God bless Mr. Heimdal! I have seen every single episode of this series multiple times, and he is one of my very favorite investigators. He fully deserved his promotion. You could tell that he literally did this job to save human lives, and deeply hurt for the ones we lost to get to this point.
In other words, what you're saying is that he Is NOT
one of the Greedy Capitalists who value Financial Profit over Human Life.
@Art Curator 2020 correct I agree with you and i love these videos.
Air accident investigators seem heroically dedicated. If only everyone involved in the airline industry could work that way.
They appear to be a very strong community.
I expect heroic dedication from the baggage handlers
Give it
I have to help your useless
So sad that the pilots were just months away from retiring and ended up dying in this accident. They didn't even get to enjoy retirement. 😪 RIP to everyone.
Lesson: Enjoy life while you can. You might not get to your retirement days or money 💰
For the want of a nail, a shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe, a horse was lost.
For want of a horse, a knight was lost.
For want of a knight, the skirmish was lost, so went the battle, so went the war, all for the want of a nail.
for the want of a battle ww3 was lost
That has got to be the most wretched feeling for the poor air traffic controller.
Immensely sad and devastating accident due to "improper maintenance and use of counterfeit aircraft parts". Rip Cap. Knut Tveiten and F.O. Finn Petter Berg (both just about to retire incomprehensible) all 55 souls and 5 crew members on Partnair Flight 304 they did not die in vain. Excellent investigation. RIP. ✝
Could you imagine if the investigators hadn't been so dedicated? We'd know literally nothing about this.
Same thing happened to the pilot that got sucked out the windshield. Maintenance put the wrong screw on the windshield
That wasn’t the same thing that wasn’t a counterfeit part, that was a case of the wrong sized screw
I'm guessing OP is referring to the fact that both cases involved hardware, such a small thing to cause disaster and death.
You guessed correctly !!!!@@denisegreene2530
Don't SAY his investigation possibly saved lives, HIS INVESTIGATION DAMN SURE DID SAVE LIVES and MILLIONS of lives each day ARE SAFER because he was able to prove that these companies were more worried about bottomlines than keeping the hundreds of lives they fly around safe
Amen
LOLZ
So impressive how they were able to find the cause of the crash with so little information (no voice recorder and limited/compromised flight recorder information).
Heimdal is one heck of an investigator. His team finally nailed down the cause. Counterfeit parts should not be present in these type of aircraft for obvious reasons.
Counterfeit parts should not be used on anything...air, land, or sea. I fired my mechanic for not using OEM parts on my trucks.
@@ohioguy215 I'll go along with that especially when it concerns commercial safety.
Shouldn't be any plane, ship, train, vehicle, bicycle, big wheel, or wheel barrel 🤔
Absolutely appreciate all the folks that help make planes ✈ safe these days. 🙏
Hats off to the unsung hero, ,the matainence man who replaceced that one bolt, and NOT to the supervisor who wouldnt let him replace the other three
Maintenance
@@blankman8021 seriously?
Replaced
@@blankman8021 hmmmmm
There is 8 billion people, the chances of that maintenance worker watching this video, commenting on this reply is a 1 in a million
@@blankman8021 exactly unless you searched it up but I saw your account, it was made 2 months ago which is another reason why I find it hard to believe
Hmmmmmm
Who else is addicted to these episodes?
I don't think I'm addicted, but I do like to watch the new ones. :) They reinforce my decision to stop flying commercial, which I did many years ago. Don't miss it at all, especially when watching these!
If I can't drive there, I don't go!
I can watch these now that I’m not flying all the time 😂😂😂
I have a lot of respect for the investigators.
Incredible work done by the investigators.
The science explained in this one is extremely cool.
We are starting to see this same aftermarket business in the auto repair industry too. My daughter’s car was being repaired and the mechanic let me know that the insurance would only pay for an aftermarket part. I refused on the account that unless it was the cars actual part, I would not unsafely put her back on the road. Most are probably okay but will you take the chance? I think the actions of the insurance companies only approving the lesser part ,proves what eventually drives this bogus part madness.
It is a big problem, I have had SO many cases where the original part lasted >200,000 miles and then once you replace it you replace it every 20,000. Even if you buy Delco, Motorcraft, Mopar parts, in a new box and everything, they often don't last. I think there are a lot of counterfeit parts there as well. They're refurbished parts put in an OEM box.
Many years ago, I replaced a failed water pump and discovered that the original pump was poorly designed so that the impeller couldn’t last. The replacement was much better. Original equipment can be junk, too.
That's nothing new. Repair parts have been around for 100yrs. Some worse and some better. If the OE is called to be a grade 5, a grade 7 is just fine. 50,000psi transverse rupture strength bolt is quite stronger than the aluminum frame that it's riveted to. And
I don't believe they actually found all the Bolts that were a mile underwater. They probably came from the ships galley.
but this goes back to henry ford as an example.he made all of his parts that way he could control the quality of parts thing should be the same for aircraft,because when you outsource all of your parts you really have no way on how the parts are built and quality becomes a concern
I work for a company that produces a product for a MAJOR company. So many people this it’s safe to use but I see how some parts of this things are made. The people around me making them DO NOT CARE
Well the car industry went metric so they could buy bargain base parts from all over the world , we completely lost control over our supply chain.
@@castirondude- We didn’t “lose control.” Our government gave it away freely by making deals with other corrupt countries like China.
It's interesting that the CVR, while recording the beginning of the flight instead of the last moments before the accident, still revealed useful information. Also usually airlines in financial trouble are often guilty of maintenance neglect. In this case, it seems that they did their maintenance in good faith and had no idea that their plane had bogus parts.
In this day and age you can’t trust anyone. Every-time I take my car for oil change, I always check the oil level, leaks etc. My uncle’s engine blew up when the mechanic forgot to refill the oil. Hopefully airline operators hire 3rd party auditors that can double check the mechanics work
@@siamimam2109 Bogus parts are so insidious. Unless the auditor is with the mechanic, I don't think it would work. These are very difficult to tell _after_ they are used as real replacement parts.
To combat counterfeit material, the FAA instituted Suspected Unapproved Parts (SUP) Program. US airlines now have documented procedures and personnel training to identify and report bogus material. Other National Aviation Authorities (NAA) e.g. EASA require the same. When an airline procures material, back-to-birth documentation and or a Certificate of Conformity has to be provided.
This is why a stringent regulatory regime is essential. Even if requirements are onerous. I can't accept the obsession with deregulation that motivated and motivate people.
Considering how mountainous Norway is, I'm rather impressed that this is the worst plane accident in the country's history. Not diminishing the effects of the deaths on the families and friends, but 55 is relatively low for a "worst crash." That says a lot of positive things about Norway's flight safety record.
I can't believe the whole tail assembly is held on by 4 bolts.
Agreed! It’s probably to reduce weight and increase efficiency in the production/maintenance line.
Don't forget - how did bogus parts get into even the FAA stash? The mandatory call for bids and you need to take the lowest offer. That system literally attracts that kind of wrongdoers.
Yep. The standard is lowest bidder. Not lowest bidder that can satisfy the requirements. So often they can't do what they claim but keep the contract
@@KNR90 Its been like that far back before the invention of flight. One example would be the low bid taken by the Royal Navy for the Ships HMS Erebus and HMS Terror in 1845. The Navy took a low bid on can goods meant to keep the crews nourished for long arctic journeys. This was because their last voyage was to find a Northwest Passage in northern Canada. It was discovered the cans were improperly sealed and may have contaminated the contents with lead.
That explains the horrific safety record of commercial flight!
@@topgun9686That wasn't low bid, it was not giving the manufacturer sufficient time to take proper safety precautions
Easy: Corruption
Seemingly, nearly every plane crash was, in some way, attributable to some part of the "industry chain" trying to save money. Also, why are investigators making "recommendations" and not DIRECTIVES?
because they are investigators not legislators
This is just wrong
Probably checks and balances. Once they recommend something, it probably gets reviewed by a board, voting etc. etc
Because detectives can’t change any laws lmao
Come on now, the bottomline matters when you need to pay airline execs millions in bonuses each year. Poor things are starving!
Thanks for uploading these. Great to listen to during car ride, night, etc. Great episode keep it up..
Bogus parts are also what caused the issues with the Columbia disaster and NASA has continued to have problems with buying bogus parts
Another case of harmonic vibration occurred in the Lockheed Electra. I think there were at least 2 crashes before engineers realized that the engines and wings could vibrate together until they ripped off the aircraft. Tell City??
The tragic irony is that it was the pilots’ dedication and quick thinking that ultimately doomed them. If they weren’t willing to pay the caterers out of their own pockets or think of the APU solution, they wouldn’t have taken off and wouldn’t have crashed.
They were probably gonna fly that same plane again with a “fixed APU” 😂 It was a matter of time
This accident is a strong argument for engineers and tech/science to be in charge of finances and safety vs the academic/financial classes. With final administrative/punitive authority.
Well done, investigators! Well done, Mayday reporters! 👍
"Mey day , Mey day"
27:16 .
I’d say;
The F16 caused the plane to suddenly dive from jet wash.
The failed APu mounts allowed the APU exhaust to heat up the fuselage (read: tail fin) the wild dive and roll of the plane from the jet wash caused the tail to break off the plane; thus break up before hitting the water.
You should be crash investigator
the highly qualified aviation experts who do this for decades long careers came to a different conclusion oh armchair expert
It would be interesting to know what makes one bolt, even the most excellent bolt ever made, cost $250.
so few are needed,, they are replaced after years so not many are made and the specifications and standards are extremely high. If you only manufacture 2000 of them thats a high cost as opposed to 100,000 or millions for other standard bolts
Quality control standards, inspection and certification costs, environmental testing costs. You’re not paying for the part you’re paying for the cost the company had to pay to build test certify and sell that part
Those bolts earn their keep! They are the difference between life and death for thousands of people!
Also, these are no mere ordinary Bolts!
Such Parts in the Aeronautics Industry have to be extremely Strong, Reliable, Resistant to many types of hazards (corrosion, structural stress & metal fatigue, vibration, etc.) that would wear down normal Bolts very fast.
They are made to extremely stringent Standards & Specifications, are usually made from completely different Materials than ordinary Bolts/Fasteners, using much more expensive Metals and Alloys and thus obviously much more expensive Manufacturing Processes, on top of what other people said regarding the Quality Control Standards, Inspection & Certification Costs, Environmental & Stress Testing Costs, and much much more!
All this, including that those Parts are produced on a much smaller scale than regular Hardware Store Bolts, are all very legitimate Factors in the end Cost of Aeronautical Parts.
They're also designed and tested by extremely qualified personnel (tons of them possessing a PHD), which also drives up Costs!
But that's the Price to pay for Extreme Reliability under Extreme Conditions! Just like Aerospace Components.
If you had to make that bolt yourself from the proper alloy to that tight of a tolerance and certify it, you would charge at least that.
I thought when Western Canada was mentioned the problem would be traced back there, but in the back of my mind I joked it would be Miami. Of course it was Miami.
Imagine swallowing a toothpick. I am convince he nearly choked to death before he died in the crash.
dual harmonics could have torn down the massive walls of Jericho as well.
This was so interesting!!! 👍💯
I did find the search for the truth here absolutely compelling, all the while feeling terrible for the flight's victims and their families.
one thing the APU is only used while on the ground, it should not be running while in the air.
When engine power is lost they run the APU in in the air as an emergency procedure.
Yet everyone still buys and use cheap Chinese knockoffs all the time throughout every portion of their lives.
Literally everywhere does cheap labor
Horrible loss of lives. It all happened so fast 😢
Some good physics lessons in this episode 👍
How did investigators find bogus parts on Air Force One? So many integrated parts....Millions?
America has Billions of $$ to spend. Biden gives Ukraine any amount of money they need. This little thing no problem
They probably checked the replaced parts which might be 100-500 ish. Millions of those other parts were OEM from Boeing
This is why you should only ever use OEM parts on your car.
Agreed. Only time I buy aftermarket parts is when it has nothing to do with the engine, transmission etc.
This is a good example of why bootleg parts are serious
I hope immoral careless people pay the price for causing innocent people’s lives.
You wouldn't use unapproved part on a car, let alone an airplane.
WTF?
There are *many* after-market auto parts. My mechanic uses them, w/o issue.
Sometimes its a recall issue, then it must go to the dealer, but for the most part, I'm used to after-market parts. Never has been an issue...but > am I whistling in the dark, at this date?!
@@jessstone7486 They don't last as long, that's a fact. The part you replaced probably lasted years.
*Partnair Flight 394 was a chartered flight that crashed on 8 September 1989 off the coast of Denmark, 18 kilometres (11 mi; 10 nmi) north of Hirtshals. All fifty passengers and five crew members on board the aircraft died, making this the deadliest disaster in Danish aviation history. The crash was caused by improper maintenance and use of counterfeit aircraft parts.*
I somewhat agree. In the future please don’t yell🙏
Bogus spare parts in the supply feed. Here is another reason why we have gov regulations and this is why mindlessly rolling them back can put our lives at risk.
I have bolts larger than that holding my bumpers on.
To many commercials for one video.
Try an ad blocker - as it works on movies, it should work on this.
@@jessstone7486 Thanks JT that I will do.
Agreed. I watched one last nigh, there were 6 ads in the first 10 minutes!
I was thinking it caught the jet wash from that F-16.
Crazy...they need to severely punish these airlines
Everyone knows the risk but flies anyway.
Their own damn faults.
Agreed but these companies have way to much money and will never truly be punished like they should
Schiavo notes that corrupt aircraft replacement parts operations thrived in the 80's.
This period, we recall, was when DEregulation advocates of the GOP loudly condemned government regulation.
Under Reaganomics
if they did not have the recordings, how did they know that they saw the F-16
Radar
flight paths and testimony
There’s a thing called flight paths
A seen episode for me. Counterfeit parts that has rippled through the industry.
Those bolts came from Harbor Freight.
The airline company itself was in dire financial problems. Partnair.
Old planes. Faulty equipment.
Great detective work to determine it was (spoiler) counterfeit bolts to blame This discovery probably prevented many other crashes.
Why is it they use the bomb scare tactic on every plane crash? It’s getting old.
This crash happened just a year after Pan Am 103. So they theorized at first it was a bomb.
I'm never flying again after watching the crashes and neglect. I live in hawaii
LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE STAYING IN HAWAII, I WISH I WAS THERE.
I lived in Hawaii for 22 years. If I couldn’t get on a airplane I would still be stuck on that rock known as Maui
Boats!!
@@red---paulvanravenswaay2247- Now you can go watch videos about boat crashes and drownings in the ocean.😂
Why didn't the bolts cause problems on 16 flights but suddenly on the 17th? could it be because those bolts had reached their load point? The not-bogus bolts might have a load point that says 50.000 flight hours, and the bogus ones just 1000.
It wasn't a jet, as stated @ 8:00
Irregardless of the grade of bolt, it must be torqued per specs. If you over-tighten the best of bolt, it will stretch/yield and then be as good as broken. I'd rather have a grade7 properly tightened than a grade8 over-tightened any time.
Who else experience TH-cam is now unwatchable due to many many ads. It's like they are pushing people to subscribe to premium.
I know it sucks but just click on i and then click stop seeing this ad and then click return to video if your ad blockers don't work
What does APU stand for? Alternative power unit?
Auxiliary power unit
If a plane has propellers im NEVER getting on it
😮very interesting investigations made by those very intelligent experts❤😮
So what percentage of parts in the spares are bogus currently?
They can find four bolts but not the Malaysia 370..oh ok
The proliferation of Chinese counterfeit parts and counterfeit medicines around the world is scary.
this kind of sloppy criminal work can not stand. need to be way more severe punishment up to Executions if we to fix this mess.
Lmao what are you even talking about
More severe punishments yes, but how you start jumping to executions sounds draconian
Whoa that is too Extreme
@@bradleysitsandsipstea33 I am deeply concerned about this man.
@Jay Talents lol thinking the same thing.
The fear of hearing them say over the intercom “we have to land the plane in the ocean” keeps me on land. 🙋🏼♀️
"You got the receipt for those bolts?"
They updated the engines but not the recorders!
Makes me wary of buying aftermarket parts for my Honda civic 😂
He said "there are 6 million moving parts on a 747". The aren't 6 million parts and only a fraction of the actual number of parts move relative to one another. What a huge exaggeration holy cow! One statement like that totally ruins the entire show, how many other outright lies did they tell?
I heard 3 million parts. Twice. Unless I misheard.
Ok? So if one is bad, then the mechanic should have done all 4 and not just 1 because those 3 are getting all the stress from the 1 that was borken.
Interesting. Analysis.
I shouldn't be watching these horrible and tragic events I pray me or my kids ever experience none of this but they have captured my attention I've watched over 10 and I'm afraid to fly now I am scared but I've watched most of the videos very tragic and horrible but yet very interested
Please don’t be worried about flying🙏
Your much more likely to have accident while driving down the road. This is coming from someone that hates flying too🙂
@@kamakaziozzie3038 🤔 hummm 🤔
I don't know anything about airplane design, but am I the only one in the world that thinks just four tiny little bolts holding on the entire tail assembly of a commercial airliner is an incredibly bad idea?? That sounds to me like attaching the head shields on the space shuttle with duct tape and crazy glue.
Wait until you here that a single nut holds on the main blade of a helicopter. But if they are good 4 bolts can hold a insane amount of force
@@ipodhty
We're not talking about a helicopter here friend, but a humongous commercial airliner!! How much does a HELICOPTER weigh, and what kind of G forces are put upon it? How many passengers does a chopper hold?? And isn't it rather obvious to you that these "4 good bolts" actually FAILED?? Am I missing something here???
@@tiffsaver You only need 1 bolt to fail. The others loosen/strip and follow.
Never had a Harley, huh?
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823
I didn't know that hundreds of people could die driving a Harley...
I knew he was the bad guy just by the ponytail.
If these pilots were so experienced and nearing retirement what were they doing working for an outfit like this?
Bolts cost as much as 200 dollars, while the counterfeit parts are as little as 30.
Heres the problem right there, you're so busy regulating that parts be authentic (which is good) but how about you regulate that these parts are reasonably priced??? Bolt shouldn't be no more than ten bucks considering they spent MILLIONS on the plane! THIS is where regulations need to occur
Wow, the won the "lottery"...
Of death.
Rest in peace everybody 😢😢😢❤❤❤
Blame Canadaaaaa....
I always SMH when these tiny planes from airlines no one has ever heard of with a small amount of people on the airplane, must be a victim of a major terrorist event.
So sorry
I quote, "LESS LIKELY to be on a plane that's fitted with bogus parts" p-p
Are the bare minimum of bolts are used to hold planes together?
No, they design in a safety margin of 2 or greater which means means any structural component, bolts included need to be able to withstand at least double their design load before failing. That plane honestly could've gotten away with just 2 bolts holding the tail on (assuming said bolts are true aviation grade bolts). They're made of inconel (i think) either that or some titanium based super-alloy, point is they're a lot stronger than steel bolts of the same size.
The fact that they were allowed to alter a cockpit voice recorder that is the only way to find out what happened 10 years before means that the regulating authority wasn’t doing there job I have a lot fix it only needs a sport license to fly and I have a cvt in it just in case I also have a flight data recorder on my aircraft they can no longer be used for commercial purposes but It will work for my application and it runs off the battery and the battery alone
an F-16 flying overhead seconds before this plane goes down is an awful coincidence. good luck ever getting the miltiary to own up to accidentally taking down an airliner. that is exactly what happened to TWA 800 but no one will ever know about it.
Nope not this one
@@851995STARGATE you're wrong, buddy
nah faulty parts caught up to them. that airline was going broke and was cutting costs where they could
@@fisheromen18so are u babes but you’ll do anything to blame America when it was proven faulty parts
BOEING should make instructions for dummies, they should not treat pilots like rocket engineers. AirBus have pilots that don’t know how to fly an airplane, they rely too much on the computer to fly the plane for them.
They had just passed the F16 , did it cause this ??
"Investigators looking into the mysterious downing of a passenger jet over the North Sea..."
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Not a jet, but a propeller-driven aircraft. Does the publisher have a script editor?
when profit means more than peoples lives this is the result - a profit-laden corporate world means peoples lives have no value
Yeah, less likely isn't good enough.... I'll never fly again, seen too much negligence!
aaand now all parts have to "aviation" approved and that has tooooootaly not massively increased the price of plane maintenance due to red tape monopiles......
some fixes are overkill