Comet Mining
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- Comets have awed, amazed, and even terrified humanity for thousands of years, with many believing they heralded the end of the world, but could they be the key to reaching and creating new worlds?
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Comet Mining
Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur
Episode 408, August 17, 2023
Written, Produced & Narrated by Isaac Arthur
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There's a game that just released recently called "ΔV: Rings of Saturn" based around being an ice miner. It's quite good with a lot of realistic physics and interesting but grounded ideas like "nanodrones", which are palm sized, laser powered robots which miners dispatch to rocks and are used to maneuver them via ablative surface paneling.
Edit: It's also free to play right now
free to play? on what platform?
@@OpreanMircea The game is free currently. PC only as far as I know.
@@sicksock435446 the demo is free, but but I checked on steam, epic games store and GOG but it's still 8 Euro, cheap but I don't think I'll buy
i checked steam, gog, and itchio and i dont see it being free, only a free demo on steam, which, well, is a demo
On steam, it is currently $10. Definitely a steal, but certainly not free lmao
Isaac. Started watching your channel a few days ago. Really, really good stuff. Love the voice.
I want to ask, is there a way to ask you for direct advice regarding some tech stuff? I really am not that good at physics and math.
Is there a way to ask a few questions? Are you willing to? I dont know how this works.
Cheers!
Thank you for another great video!
Thanks for watching!
Dear Isaac, while I am a total fan of comet mining, in your wisdom, please tell us how to make the current abrupt, seemingly irreversible climate change go away!
or have you made a video for that already?
If it goes away we would be thrown back into the dark ages. It is happening for a good reason. Now it's time for the scientists to move us forward. Time for Isaac to lead us forward. The time for the priests and politicians is sliding away behind us😁
This was a really good episode because comet fundamentals are something so many of us are ignorant on. Let’s support new horizons!
There are like 12 comet related tabs open in my browser right now. This video couldn't have come at a better time. I'm in comet mood right now xd
great for cleaning tubs, sinks, showers and counter tops!
I jut wanted to say this because i felt like and i doubt anyone will care but I'll say it anyway. For the past couple of weeks I have been trying to start my own educational TH-cam channel and have been trying to upload videos regularly. I sent Emails to many of the TH-camrs I liked including one to Isaac Arthur. I didn't get a single reply from any, except one. That was Isaac, who not only took the time to read myemail and reply to me, but he also watched my video and wrote back asnwering my questions and giving me helpful constructive critisisms on my videos after he watched them.
It's just really nice to see and shows that he is not only a good youtuber, but also seems like a really nice guy. Thanks Arthur.
this video was good too btw
Thanks, and thanks, and good luck!
Bet the dinosaurs wish they had anti comet pills, and for the bargin price of 25 cents!
I have been looking forward to this since you announced it
Literally my favorite topic on outer space just so happens to also be my 30th birthday today thanks for the informative gift
Happy Birthday!
Glad you enjoy it and happy birthday!
Can we get a video on Deep Sea Mining.
Maybe even a remake of asteroid mining 6 years is like a millenia in technological and informational advancement in modern times.
Yes to both, though it might be a bit and deep sea mining is likely to be generalized ot ocean planet mining :)
Notification Gang!!!
Hell yeah
Lol😂
Here
It’s not a comet, it’s a Vogon construction fleet! Beer, nuts and towel!!!
A lots and lots of paperwork!
So long and thanks for all the fish
Space mining is still a massive question mark when I consider how feasible it is with our current techniques.
So many of our chemical and industrial processes require access to oxygen to react with, convey away heat, manage cooling, and so on.
We could probably get a lot of raw elements by just heating up comet rock, but I imagine that can be a lot less efficient, meaning that if we want larger scale space manufacturing (e.g. megaton cylinders, Dyson swarms, etc.) We will be relying on lots of cheap energy.
I'd love to hear more about the specifics of how we plan to refine moon rock into usable materials as a future episode. Love this stuff, thanks Isaac!
And on the flip side so many things in industrial techniques would like a lack of oxygen especially when smelting things. What IS handy is some gravity which is why I figure gather rocks in space, haul to moon and refine. I would not want to be the guy trying to invent ways to handle molten metal in zero G. :)
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom Most space construction would likely be 3D printed sintered metal which potentially LOVES 0G, but if it had to be cast, then a sealed crucible, heated via induction coil, and shot directly into a mold is pretty much the the only option. The idea itself is pretty basic, but as usual it's just a matter of material science, also not to mention how much more potentially catastrophic factory accidents in space could be.
If there is one thing that this chanel thought me is that if its gravity you need you can always just put the thing in a drum and spin it.
As for energy, harnessing the abundant power of the sun is so much easier without a planet in your way.
@@Rapt0rham There are pro's and con's to 3d printing in both gravity and no gravity and I would guess that it depends on what you want to make. I was more thinking in the processing of raw materials into something you can 3d print or even cast. That usually involves some kind of smelting process for either purification or making alloys. Those jobs are a lot less complicated if you have a bit of gravity.
Will they find Frank Poole? Thanks in advance for another thought-provoking video. Day off from work, so chilling out, catching up on a few things.
maybe circa 3001 :)
I remember that I read a book named "The heart of the comet" wroten by David Birn and Gregory Benford, was about a group of colonist that landed on the Hayley comet in 2061, and started drilling into the ice using microwave projectors to make tunnels and collecting the gasses to make polimer foam to insulate those tunnels, that was a nice example of living of the land, because if you live inside very cold chunk of ice you cannot live without insulation.
Fun book
You are too good to us, Mr. Arthur.
I just realized that your name means _noble bear who rejoices_ or _noble bear who laughs._
I caught Halley’s Comet on the way in and on the way out from the same field out in the country. If I’m very lucky, I’ll get a third view in 2061. Dad might not be there for that one…
The best content on TH-cam. Thank you mr Isaac Arthur.
I'm also old enough to remember Halley's comet. In the northern hemisphere, it barely rose above the horizon, hardly impressive. The next one should be much more impressive, but I'm not expecting to live that long.
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Also with everything else getting mentioned in this episode, I somehow managed to forget to recommend Heart of the Comet by David Brin and Gregory Benford, which maybe even more than Mining the Sky is the big influence on a lot of our discussion of Kuiper and Oort Cloud colonization approaches... I especially recommend the audiobook as it's got some of my favorite scifi narrators performing it.
Also-also, welcome everyone coming in from Andrew Gold's most recent episode that came out this afternoon, he is always a lot of fun to work with and if you missed my interview with him, check it out: th-cam.com/video/e0lBjxAVnNk/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=AndrewGold
I signed up and donated. I’ve been frugal with money this summer cause of vet bills but I feel strongly about this to afford to support it.
I remember when Haleys comet went past. I watched Sir Patrick Moore narrate its passage (I was 9) but didn't quite understand its importance at the time.
I watched Halley's Comet in 1986 from the Marietta College Marietta Ohio telescope, at 1 time it was one of the largest telescopes east of the Mississippi River
I really like this video, especially as a nitrogen source.
My favorite comet fiction is the away team of Star Trek Enterprise building a snowman on what was named Archer's Comet while the Vulcans looked on, judging 😂
If governments are to be believed, Nitrogen is baaaa'a'a'ad. 😂
Isaac I am sure you hear it often, but You're Awesome. Why doesn't anyone else talk about this kind of thing? Keep it coming.
Agreed. Isaac is awesome! As a writer myself, his videos are a treasure trove of ideas!!! Really inspires and encourages creativity!
Here after just hearing your incredible interview with Andrew Gold, fascinating stuff!!! ❤
Welcome aboard!
Thanks for swinging by :)
+1 for the petition. Keep New Horizons going!
I signed the very important petition mentioned at the end!
Comets are going to be expensive/difficult to catch up with in the inner solar system.
Issac Asimov did a specific book on Halleys comet, and in it he says that the comet would have been much brighter in the past, and on some occasionally come closer to us.
So my thoughts are more to using it as a "booster" more than a mine. If we put a lander down while it's close and headed out, and plot the course correctly, you just kick it out of it's orbital path and use the natural momentum to get something well out of the inner system before it even has to boost, if not use it as the fuel/ray shield/base for your out-bound shot... Just a thought, maybe it's not new, but I don't hear many people mentioning comets as more than resources, not as transport. Until 23 minutes in, just in time for you to end the video! More! Lol! Love your content, nobody else makes me think about the universe on the scale you do!
3:07
I saw Haley's when I was a young man, it was just as underwhelming as five year old you remembers it being. 🙂
Comets do get into the inner solar system, but unless you're content with just impacting one, you'll have to basically match its high speed.
ROCK AND STONE!
Rock & stone foreva!! 💪⛏️🪨
I love the stories that P.E. Rowe is writing based on the ideas he finds here!
Ooh any good ones?
@@johndawson6057 Well yeah...all of them!
@@johndawson6057 Check 'em out!
@@johndawson6057 I should have specified; they are available as audiobooks right here on youtube. He's a talented voice actor too... he does all the reading himself.
At 9:30 into this fine episode Isaac goes into the dust crust model of comets... that I originated in my 1981 doctoral dissertation... and portrayed in Heart of the Comet. And leapfrogging colonization via the Oort Cloud was also innovated in that novel. Come on Isaac! Plug your inspirations!
I'm sure it was nothing personal.
Thank you for your many contributions to science and imagination.
Sorry David, I've noted that and pinned it in the comments, it really is one of the most thought-provoking books on the topic :)
this comment comes off as a bit arrogant, you should know better at your age.
@@lexpox329 My thoughts exactly but then I realized he might just be a bit cheeky and was twisting Isaacs tail playfully.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for sharing Dr. Stern’s message about restoring New Horizon’s mission. I just signed the petition and urge everyone else to do so.
Imagine seeing a truly great comet in the next decade
Nothing we know of is expected to put on a good show. The next great comet will probably be a first-time-in-history visitor that only gets discovered a year or two before the big show.
Just watching the starship drive compendium, and a thought occurs about terraforming venus. The drive mbpt(?), the one that accelerates lithium through a drive nozzle, could it be used to mine, say sulfuric acid( mixed as sulfur dioxide)out of an atmosphere by pointing the exhaust directly upwards?, using a charge frequency that moves just the sulfur molecules...
My favorite ice balls after snow balls!
Should we be making comets with DNA and RNA from life on earth, and send them out of the solar system?
Is that our responsibility as sentient life?
Big improvement in reading speed including pauses. Feel like I can follow and appreciate the material because of this
Do you think that the solid part of comet tails is a major source replenishing the inner system's supply of micrometeorites?
Personally I expect that our oceans formed by all the water in our planet's makeup working its way up out of the inner planet and getting barfed out through very early volcanism. After all, heating up all that water is gonna build up pressure and encourage the mantle and crust to extrude it - agressively.
Long time fan, love the content!
Something that really stuck out to me was what Alan Stern said at the end, that the New Horizons mission cost nearly a *billion* dollars. Is that all? Could Elon have theoretically funded 44 of these kuiper belt missions for the amount he pissed away on twitter? I know it's not so simple in practice, but that's just absolutely insane to me.
yep
The people he bought twitter from can fo it now if they want...the money is still out there in someone's pockets😆
It's much more valuable to own twitter and have taken it away from the evil people.
It's not your money.
It's really obnoxious that we seem to have unlimited money available to send to Ukraine (a country that is not an ally and is of no real benefit for us to support), but no money available for our own citizens on Maui, and we're still giving NASA only a pathetically small budget in spite of the potential benefits to all humanity.
You don't send money to Ukraine, you send equipment. While the people of Maui deserve help of course, tanks and missiles aren't exactly useful against wildfires.
Maui doesn’t need 30 year old missiles that were about to be demilled because they are at the end of their service life.
@@annalorreeplus it's always cheaper to spend treasure so someone else can fight a war for you, than blood AND treasure to fight it yourself.
most of what we have sent to Ukraine was slated to be destroyed due to age or change of US war doctrine anyway. Ones mans trash is another mans treasure, as the saying goes. But I agree on the pathetic NASA budget when we have huge budgets for numerous ineffective government programs for various things.
By spending money on wildfires how to siphon 10% for the big guy?
“It’s the safest job out there!” -Professor Farnsworth
Hey Isaac, have you covered a list of books or tv series you'd recommend that viewers of yours should read or watch? I've been looking into foundation series and it has become a favorite (kind of ressemble Eve Online, which I've enjoyed so far) and I'll be getting into Babylon 5 after hearing a lot about in your videos. But there is this thirst, so I'd appreciate if you could point it out if you have made a list.
Loving the content as always ❤
Been interested in this topic for some time, about to dig in!
Hail(ey) Yeah!
nice one :)
I'd love to turn these ideas into a game
3:41 giving mars water and air would be irrelevant due it lacking the magnetic field that would keep the suns wind from scouring both away AGAIN.
This is a very slow process, and artificial magnetic field is an option for mars.
By a slow process, I am referring to the solar wind removing the lightest elements such as hydrogen.
How do you upload so frequently?
I honestly have no idea :)
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Plasma Moon/Infinite plane/Flat Earth Reflection/World Map/?/ & The Nos Confunden Map/?/ - duck duck go!
Have you anything planned for Halley's Apihelion? It is somewhere between Oct 29th and Dec 9th. (Sources vary on the date). It seems to me worth celebrating the return journey.
Issac LEAVE HALEY'S COMET ALONE! You emotionless papclip monster. Nothing will be left for future generations
I prefer to imagine a tube-formed spacestation in which several industries are housed. Industries that can produce everything whats needed and refine all kinds of material from comets, Asteroid or planets.
This spacestation carries a whole fleet of smaller miningships. Ships that can directly mine on moons or transport comets to the spacestation.
This giant tube like spacestation can be increased in length or diameter if enough resouces are gathered.
Its goal is to grow, to build a second one if it and all other kind of ships and needed material.
This tube started as a combined rocket to reaches it target. When there it parts are remoduled to a rotating ring for artifical gravity.
From there on, its main goal is to grow.
I just started watching this video.
Issac, you could have subtitled this:
*_"ICE, ICE, BABY"_*
{I will see myself to the door now...😉}
You would've been more impressed by it if your parents had bought you a sweet Halley's-themed Matchbox 1980 Chevy Pro Stocker.
For the record. Coloureds don’t identify as coloured because of choice. It’s because they are ‘classified’ Coloured under our constitution. The racial classification in our country is as follows: Black , White , Coloured and Indian. The system separates South Africans by colour not coloured people.
It’s not fare for people to beat down on one race for the situation a country is in. There is just too much that separates us now , like language, culture and way of life.
For Coloureds to now say that they are black, will mean nothing for them, they still will have to tick the coloured box on applications forms and when they are going to vote. They will not benefit from the BBE because the system doesn’t recognise them as black , for instance. (BBE : Black Economic Employment , a system put in place to empower black people)
I remember seeing Hale-Bopp beautiful with three tails in the half twilight crystal clear sky from England in 1997 😇🥰🖤☯️☮️
Mining is the only viable solution for setting up off world. The first company to corner this market will dominate the future economy.
N.B. My favorite movie is Out Lander starring Sean Connery from 1981.
this mining idea seems like an egg or chicken question, you want to have some of those ressources to jumpstart the mining of asteroids and fabrication of spaceships that you need to jumpstart asteroid and commet mining (and space colony creation)... yet, if you could convince a Saudi Prince to fund it, you could become a trillionaire overnight, since you'd be able to hit contracts as the sole provider (Hi, NASA? how would you like a ton of steel plate in orbit for 1/2 of the price you pay to put it there? you out of budget? ok, then I'll ask space command...)
Space Capitalism... 😏
5:20 consider hundreds of thousands, PPSSIBLY millions. (bad English, just kinda stuck in my brain after you said it. )
Now now! We ALL KNOW that when Haley's Comet returns, Elon Musk is gonna to hijack that mofo and take it to Mars... possibly starting a few wars.
In 1986 (age 9), my parents told me I'd probably never see Hailey's comet again.. of course they also told me I'z gonna burn in Hell so yeah, not the nicest people on he planet & I grew to question errythang.
Is there any way to watch the NSS Space Forum webinar from Aug 17th? Didn’t find any posted videos online.
Well, problem of low grav/nul-grav environments leading to physiological problems for us humans will be a long term issue. On-going research may provide humans the necessary work-around.
Hey isaac...you have covered railgun type tech for getting stuff into orbit but I dont think you have ever looked at its feasibility for using it as a way to travel between the planets...could they be mounted In space maybe on the space end of a space elevator which I'm guessing would need to be a decent sized asteroid... and then fire objects to the moon or mars?
Its been mentioned a whole bunch of times. The Launch loops episode goes in depth regarding various fixed/semi-fixed launch methods and I'm certain its mentioned a bunch of times in some of the moon videos.
The orbital rings episode also has a section on it IIRC.
We've discussed and will discuss it more in ep 412, Interplanetary Infrastructure, as there's been a neat innovation on that and I'm just getting the animations showing it in this week,
Railguns (or spinlaunch) on a tidally locked body with no/negligible atmosphere would be very efficient for mass transit of bulk materials. Say launch from the Moon to a high orbit around Earth.
"Additive Construction on the Moon and Mars with Melodie Yashar - not recorded due to proprietary information" ARRRRRGHHHH!
Pretty exciting to think about.
@All - Face it, asteroid mining is way to slow, you get health problems, it's horrible... it's a terrible waste of resources. You got to go faster Isaac.
Um... Riding a comet to outer system is not that good of an idea actually.
To safely mount a comet you need to decrease your velocity relative to it and basically get on the same trajectory. And if you have deltaV to pull that off, spending this energy on getting where you need to go rather than trying to hitchhike a comet sounds more reasonable.
Or you would need a method of catching a comet without matching velocities first... But since after mounting you end up with same velocity anyway you would have to cushion this process into prolonged time so you don't end up with catastrophic impact.
John Lewis, Mining the sky....Great book! I have it on my shelf. Hard to find though.
If there was an earth sized planet and you attached a rocket to its surface to move it slightly, would that work at all? Okay the rocket exhaust would fire out but the exhaust gas would not have enough escape velocity to leave the planet. It seems like nothing would happen?
Just one question, Me Arthur.
Have you a spanish Channel?
Have you ever think about It?
Maybe it would disturb the delicate gravitational order of the solar system and cause another bombardment in years to come...
I LOVE "Mining The Sky" by John S Lewis. One of my very favorite books !
Hey what if there are more in a comet more than carbon and the other common stuff... I'm just saying that anything is possible if we look deeper into things we are doing
Did you say ammonia was oxygen and hydrogen? I thought it was 3 nitrogens, instead, or am I thinking of yet another compound?
You just have to look at Flerfers to know degeneration is possible and actively taking place.
Oh, I know de-evolution is real. Mark and Gerry convinced me of that long ago.
You sir are brilliant. One of the best channels there is in a sea of madness and mediocrity. Keep it coming 😊
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What's the music used in the very beginning? It's been in a lot of the newer videos, but isn't listed in the episode description.
The ice cream analogy was from a book called "lucifers hammer" ,
That's a deep reference
I do wonder, would it be possible to create a electromagnetic field on spacecrafts to "drag" metal rich asteroids?
Personally. I would love to hollow out a comet and make a farm on the inside and maybe make a station for space truckers on the outside
The word you wanted was "dissect", not "disect"! All too common mistake.
A civ mining comets and asteroids on mass using the body’s as the thrust would generate odd dust clouds visible as a tech sig. now where have we seen that?
As I understand it Earth's water did not come from comets because their isotope mix does not match that of Earth's.
Wouldn’t it be interesting if we used comets to reach the juicer belts like a free spaceship with resources?
Isaac I want to assimilate ya brain dude. Love your knowledge and contents
Yeah let’s goooo!
I don't like this episode you kept saying icey bodies and it reminded me of when i use to sleep next to my ex wife. 😂
Well I didn't get the notification but I got the video quickly
Don't you need to accelerate to the same speed as a comet to dock with it, making it useless as a transport vehicle
There is so much resources in our stellar system is enormous. Why choose one over the other when you mine both over time. Awesome video.
I wish you'd turn the annoying music off so I could concentrate on the content.
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