The final talk video from collectormania 18. The second part of "Doctors 4-8" at a talk. My next video will be on the autographs and photos I got at the convention.
I wish Tom had spoken about regenerating from Jon Pertwee and what he was like! And didn't that woman at the end who 'killed the conversation' sound depressing,.
It is so good to see this. I've often thought if all of these men could spend quality time together and get past the tentativeness that they would actually get along in spite of previous awkwardness, and it does seem to be playing out. I think a lot of people are very tentative around Tom and expect him to seize the spotlight, but I think a lot of that comes from the fact that he is just one of those Type A personalities that wants to get the job right and in doing so is completely oblivious to the fact that he is ruffling feathers. I get the impression that he respects people who care enough about getting the job right that they are willing to basically fight with him, and as long as they give him a fair hearing, at least until the very end of his tenure as the doctor, I got the impression that he wasn't too worried when he didn't get his way. Louise Jameson clearly won his respect when she stood up to him and told him she cared about the program and getting it right. From what I can tell, that seems to have been the turning point in them going from being at odds to getting along. Elizabeth Sladen never seemed to take any of it personally and respected his dedication to the role and the program. She clearly also could see that he was sometimes wrong and sometimes unintentionally was ruffling feathers more than he realized, but she could also see it came from a place of passion and wanting to get things right. The Pyramids of Mars is definitely a masterpiece, but it really sounds like the reason he didn't get along well with the director was not because he wasn't getting his way, but merely because the director was so focused on the special effects aspect of the episode that she wasn't giving the actors' input a fair hearing. And while it is perfectly understandable that from a practical point she did have to prioritize the special effects, I do wonder if the episode would have been even better if Paddy Russell had listened to Tom's and Liz's input about their characters. The Director takes ownership of the episode, but with different writers and different directors it really did fall to the actors to take a certain level of ownership of the characters and given them a certain level of consistency from episode to episode. While the character always seemed to be best when Tom was given SOME input rather than NO input or TOO MUCH input, in balance I personally believe Tom's passion for the character and his willingness to go to bat for his character is part of the reason his doctor is so popular. He may have ruffled many feathers in the process, and he may have been too dominate at times, but a lot of times he was right. I have always gotten the impression that the majority of it wasn't personal. As I said, as long as he felt the team gave him a fair hearing, and especially if the person disagreeing with him had a good artistic reason for over-ruling him I don't think he ever took it personally. So it makes sense that it would confuse him that the people around him would take what he was saying personally or might be scared to speak up and stand up to him. As he is slowly discovering that people around him were taking things personally, he actually seems to care about that, too. And as long as it isn't in a marriage or on the stage, he seems to be able to have very deep, meaningful connections with almost all of his co-workers. Anyway, my point is although its clear the other actors are a bit tentative around him, I don't think they need to be. Tom may sound egotistical, but when you listen to what he is actually saying it is almost always self-deprecating humor. He may struggle at times to find the right balance of contributing to a stage conversation without taking the conversation over, but you can tell that's what he wants to do. It takes practice to find that balance, and at first most people oscillate between accidentally taking over and then over-correcting by being silent, and then over-correcting again. All five of these men share that deprecating humor. None of them takes themselves too seriously. All them have a certain quirkiness and a certain unusual wisdom and interesting wit. They all seem to have very mature insights into what it meant - and what it didn't mean - to play the doctor. And they all share a fairly unique experience that very few people share. I kind of get the impression that Tom would love to be part of the party, but he's worried if he tries to join in they will all think he is trying to take the spotlight or something or even that they just don't want him in because they think he is pompous. And because they don't know him well and have heard about his reputation from directors and co-stars and stage hands, especially those who knew him at the end when he was having to deal with JNT taking over and a young, inexperienced co-star that was arrogant enough to be giving him acting tips, while trying to make a tumultuous marriage work, and most importantly was clearly mourning the loss of co-workers like Liz and Louise who understood him and respected him and worked with him, they really do assume he is pompous enough to not want them around now. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Tom was unbearable to be around in those last few years. I personally am in the I respect what JNT did for Doctor Who, but still feel he did terrible things to a show I loved camp, so while I think the way Tom handled it was incredibly juvenile, I tend to think his artistic instincts were right. But it is kind of sad that this many years later, especially after he has clearly done a ton of self-work and has done his best to reach out to those he hurt over the years to try to make things right, that he is still essentially being viewed through the lens of his worst moments. And it is also sad because I truly believe there if all parties could drop their barriers Tom would absolutely love hanging out with the rest of the Doctors and trading stories with them, and I truly believe all of the other Doctors would love hanging out with Tom and trading stories and life philosophies and jokes with him. They do seem to be making progress, but there is so little time and health left, and I think a lot of potential incredible bonding moments between these men have been permanently lost. And that is an EXTREMELY long-winded way of me saying I am so glad they had this experience and that it has been recorded. While I wish there were many more of these moments, at least this one does exist, and I believe it is precious.
It's so cute how Peter talks about his grandson Tyler's favorite Doctors because there's actually an interview between Tyler and Georgia for The Doctor's Daughter where she asks him about this and he says exactly what Peter says here!
Wow that crowd was SOOOO British. By that I mean, everyone was quiet, reserved, and absolutely...I don't know. Understand, this is coming from a very LOUD, OBNOXIOUS American ;) and I mean no insult. But, if I was sitting in front of the five oldest living Doctors (the ones from MY childhood) I think I'd be bouncing up and down like a crackhead! LOL! I was geeking-OUT just watching the video!! Thanks for posting it and the rest of you: WAKE UP! :)
I don't look at it like that. I don't say the classic or new show because it's the continuation of the same show albeit there was huge gaps between some seasons.
Although I absolutely loved Chris, I was real sad when they brought the show back without Paul. I would've liked at least one full series with Doctor # 8.
@@jerobriggs6861 Honestly he's still pretty young, I think they could get away with doing a spin-off that was just "Doctor Who: The Eighth Doctor" with him.
it looks like tom's actually enjoying himself
Sylvester: "No one turned up for my regeneration..."
Woof...
Tom is in great form with his usual charisma... it's great to see him share the spotlight with the others who took part in the Doctor Who legacy.
Tom and Sylvester seem to get on really well which is kind of sweet :)
Every one of these talks I've seen, Sylvester has mention every time that he has killed the show. 😂
It's so sad! He was fantastic and it was not him that killed it, it was the BBC!
that must be fun
"whos your favorite doctor?"
"i can't chose between daddy and grandpa"
hahahah
He did choose lol
It's cool to see Paul up there with them, honestly just listening to them tell whatever stories about the show they feel like it wonderful
Tom doesn't even need the mic, his voice is so booming!
This is a rare occasion to see Tom on a panel with other Doctors
I wish Tom had spoken about regenerating from Jon Pertwee and what he was like!
And didn't that woman at the end who 'killed the conversation' sound depressing,.
"I wear crocs now. Crocs are cool."
I couldn't resist.
I could be the great gardener!
It is so good to see this. I've often thought if all of these men could spend quality time together and get past the tentativeness that they would actually get along in spite of previous awkwardness, and it does seem to be playing out. I think a lot of people are very tentative around Tom and expect him to seize the spotlight, but I think a lot of that comes from the fact that he is just one of those Type A personalities that wants to get the job right and in doing so is completely oblivious to the fact that he is ruffling feathers. I get the impression that he respects people who care enough about getting the job right that they are willing to basically fight with him, and as long as they give him a fair hearing, at least until the very end of his tenure as the doctor, I got the impression that he wasn't too worried when he didn't get his way. Louise Jameson clearly won his respect when she stood up to him and told him she cared about the program and getting it right. From what I can tell, that seems to have been the turning point in them going from being at odds to getting along. Elizabeth Sladen never seemed to take any of it personally and respected his dedication to the role and the program. She clearly also could see that he was sometimes wrong and sometimes unintentionally was ruffling feathers more than he realized, but she could also see it came from a place of passion and wanting to get things right. The Pyramids of Mars is definitely a masterpiece, but it really sounds like the reason he didn't get along well with the director was not because he wasn't getting his way, but merely because the director was so focused on the special effects aspect of the episode that she wasn't giving the actors' input a fair hearing. And while it is perfectly understandable that from a practical point she did have to prioritize the special effects, I do wonder if the episode would have been even better if Paddy Russell had listened to Tom's and Liz's input about their characters. The Director takes ownership of the episode, but with different writers and different directors it really did fall to the actors to take a certain level of ownership of the characters and given them a certain level of consistency from episode to episode. While the character always seemed to be best when Tom was given SOME input rather than NO input or TOO MUCH input, in balance I personally believe Tom's passion for the character and his willingness to go to bat for his character is part of the reason his doctor is so popular. He may have ruffled many feathers in the process, and he may have been too dominate at times, but a lot of times he was right. I have always gotten the impression that the majority of it wasn't personal. As I said, as long as he felt the team gave him a fair hearing, and especially if the person disagreeing with him had a good artistic reason for over-ruling him I don't think he ever took it personally. So it makes sense that it would confuse him that the people around him would take what he was saying personally or might be scared to speak up and stand up to him. As he is slowly discovering that people around him were taking things personally, he actually seems to care about that, too. And as long as it isn't in a marriage or on the stage, he seems to be able to have very deep, meaningful connections with almost all of his co-workers.
Anyway, my point is although its clear the other actors are a bit tentative around him, I don't think they need to be. Tom may sound egotistical, but when you listen to what he is actually saying it is almost always self-deprecating humor. He may struggle at times to find the right balance of contributing to a stage conversation without taking the conversation over, but you can tell that's what he wants to do. It takes practice to find that balance, and at first most people oscillate between accidentally taking over and then over-correcting by being silent, and then over-correcting again. All five of these men share that deprecating humor. None of them takes themselves too seriously. All them have a certain quirkiness and a certain unusual wisdom and interesting wit. They all seem to have very mature insights into what it meant - and what it didn't mean - to play the doctor. And they all share a fairly unique experience that very few people share. I kind of get the impression that Tom would love to be part of the party, but he's worried if he tries to join in they will all think he is trying to take the spotlight or something or even that they just don't want him in because they think he is pompous. And because they don't know him well and have heard about his reputation from directors and co-stars and stage hands, especially those who knew him at the end when he was having to deal with JNT taking over and a young, inexperienced co-star that was arrogant enough to be giving him acting tips, while trying to make a tumultuous marriage work, and most importantly was clearly mourning the loss of co-workers like Liz and Louise who understood him and respected him and worked with him, they really do assume he is pompous enough to not want them around now. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Tom was unbearable to be around in those last few years. I personally am in the I respect what JNT did for Doctor Who, but still feel he did terrible things to a show I loved camp, so while I think the way Tom handled it was incredibly juvenile, I tend to think his artistic instincts were right. But it is kind of sad that this many years later, especially after he has clearly done a ton of self-work and has done his best to reach out to those he hurt over the years to try to make things right, that he is still essentially being viewed through the lens of his worst moments. And it is also sad because I truly believe there if all parties could drop their barriers Tom would absolutely love hanging out with the rest of the Doctors and trading stories with them, and I truly believe all of the other Doctors would love hanging out with Tom and trading stories and life philosophies and jokes with him. They do seem to be making progress, but there is so little time and health left, and I think a lot of potential incredible bonding moments between these men have been permanently lost.
And that is an EXTREMELY long-winded way of me saying I am so glad they had this experience and that it has been recorded. While I wish there were many more of these moments, at least this one does exist, and I believe it is precious.
4:44 that's like the classic version of the Day of The Doctor scene where all three Doctors turn to look at Clara xD
It's so cute how Peter talks about his grandson Tyler's favorite Doctors because there's actually an interview between Tyler and Georgia for The Doctor's Daughter where she asks him about this and he says exactly what Peter says here!
This is great footage: a true treasure for the timeless series like Doctor Who.
Meanwhile Paul is thinking "I didn't even get a bloody regeneration."
He had to wait 4 years. there is a bbc short video of Paul regenerating into the War Doctor. Very well done.
Poor Sylvester, having to regenerate into himself
that was was such a funny and awesome interview with The Doctors 4-8 cool as!
LOL. Tom almost never uses his mic. :)
Aw, poor Peter isn't his grandson's favorite Doctor.
Well the guy who created Space: 1999, his son was more of a Whovian.
And Gene Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek, his son was more of a Star Wars fan. My point is, that's just the way it is.
Colin Baker looks like the Skipper from Gilligans Island now
Wow that crowd was SOOOO British. By that I mean, everyone was quiet, reserved, and absolutely...I don't know. Understand, this is coming from a very LOUD, OBNOXIOUS American ;) and I mean no insult. But, if I was sitting in front of the five oldest living Doctors (the ones from MY childhood) I think I'd be bouncing up and down like a crackhead! LOL! I was geeking-OUT just watching the video!! Thanks for posting it and the rest of you: WAKE UP! :)
Hope there is a transcript because it's hard to hear anything.
Thanks for posting.
Legend has it that the advice Tom gave Peter was as swift "F.... Off". I don't know if it's true or not
I think they were all struck by the awe of seeing them all together if I'm honest! I know I would be!:')
I guess that 8 is the silent but deadly Doctor.
He’s amazing!!
Great footage! Thanks for posting, pity the sound quality is a bit up and down, couldn't hear Tom at one point.
LOL! Absolutely true. ;)
awesome 4-8 thats quite an achievement to them all at once also was there any talk about the 50th anniversary
On the plus side, at least we can hear what's being said, instead of being interrupted by whooping and hollering every five seconds! :)
I just noticed. He is. A hint to what Matt's Doctor will wear next?
Thanks and where's next video with autographs and photos you got at the convention?
I already have Paul's autograph, but if I were there, I would want the rest.
Colin is as well! LOL!
The proper Doctors!!
I think Doctors 9-12 have all been "proper" Doctors as well. Jury's still out on 13, but I have high hopes.
...is sylvester mcoy wearing crocs?
I don't look at it like that. I don't say the classic or new show because it's the continuation of the same show albeit there was huge gaps between some seasons.
Paul McGann doesn't like to talk much does he?
He's the shy one. He's really nice though.
He loves to talk but he also seems to be one to let other people have their moment too ❤️.
@TheKingTuter He's not the only one of the lot...
omg mcgann wouldve done the new series :( that's so dissapointing. thanks for the video btw
Although I absolutely loved Chris, I was real sad when they brought the show back without Paul. I would've liked at least one full series with Doctor # 8.
@@jerobriggs6861 Or better, should've had him instead of creating a new Doctor, have him interact with Tennant and Smith.
@@jerobriggs6861 Honestly he's still pretty young, I think they could get away with doing a spin-off that was just "Doctor Who: The Eighth Doctor" with him.
@STARPD7 I noticed that! All he does is play with it! XD
Haha. :)
lol both of the bakers have put on some weight