Every time you do a comparison video involving a .357 magnum round, I find myself rooting for that round. This video was no different. Except I now find myself appreciating the 10mm more and more. Thanks for creating such great content. You have the best TH-cam gun channel. You perform realistic measurements and exercises.
Thanks. A lot of people say the .357 Magnum is more powerful, and maybe it was at one point, but currently I would say 90% of .357 Mag VS 10mm tests I do, the 10mm is more powerful.
It's so small a difference if you already have a nice 357 I wouldn't change over to 10mm I mean unless you like to blow money or just want a new gun. 10mm is just a lil bigger and a lil heavier loads but they both kill a deer or drive heavy hardcast loads in bears skulls
@@VroomNBoom Thanks, but I have never really paused making videos. I was sick from December 2023 to January 2024, had a few other short times of illness but again I never paused making videos for any amount of time other than like for 2 weeks, a year ago.
A few years ago Paul Harrell showed how effective the American Gunner ammo was for self defense in 357mag. I was impressed so that’s what I run. Thanks to your video I’ll do the same in 10mm as long as my XDM runs it flawlessly.
Great Video. I've grown to prefer Revolvers over semi autos. I added a sweet new Ruger .454 Alaskan yesterday. I have a bunch of Polymers I need to sell.
Both rounds did excellent overall, accuracy and expansion were what I would expect from Hornady. The .357 was loaded on the light side and I think it could have been better. The XTP is still an excellent bullet even after all these years! Thanks for sharing!👍🙏❤💯
This is a favorite test - thank you! I recently shot both of these. The 10mm was through a Glock 20 and the 357 was through an LCR. After 3 cylinders, I decided to step down to 38 spl. The recoil was fairly unpleasant, but the flash was enormous from the LCR whereas the Glock was very manageable. Like other comments suggest - I always believed the 357 had a higher ceiling, but I'm growing more fond of the 10mm - it seems to be loaded to full potential more commonly. I picked these up for ~ $20/box which was quite a deal. Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas! 🎄
Remarkably consistent bullet performance from both loads in both bare gel and your real-world gel tests. It was always my experience with full power 357 Magnum loads using 125 grain bullets was that they barked loud and the flash was enough that it can make people on the firing line back away from me, even in bright sunlight. 158 grain full power 357 loads tend to produce less flash.
Thanks for the content! I think the winner in this comparison is the ammunition. It performed very well in both calibers. I recently tried the AG .357 in my Model 27 and was very pleased with its controllability.
I've always been a big fan of the .357 in a revolver as a do all sort of thing. Now I'm starting to think the 10mm/.40 might just be about as good. Thank you Sir for the great content. Let's see how they compare with some hunting type ammo.
These are both performing fantastic, such consistent penetration AND expansion both with and without the MDF. The .357 will penetrate a little more, but the 10mm will deliver more energy. Everyone's a winner today!
I like mine. One of the biggest selling points for me is it can shoot .40 S&W ammo. There's a lot of cheap .40 S&W ammo out there, it recoils enough to feel like you're shooting a real caliber but it's cheaper than any other cartridge in it's power range. For instance, I could buy a box of .38 Special for $30 and shoot it in a full size revolver and go tink tink on steel, or I could buy a box of .40 S&W for $20 and go bang bang on the steel for less. OR I could shoot 10mm ammo that is roughly as powerful as .357 Magnum ammo, for a little bit less money too.
I carry a small Ruger LCR .357 as my EDC. I tied some Hornady " critical defense ". It made me want to shoot hot .44 magnum for relief! The flash, blast and recoil made me switch to .38 +P for my carry duty! The Hornady would be fine out of a heavy revolver but I had the feeling that a few boxes would blow my LCR apart!
Hi gun Sam. Another awsome video. And 2 very nice revolvers. I think both would work very well as camping guns. Ive never fired 10 mm. But i have hunted deer and got 2 so far with my 357 mag ruger 7" blackhawk. I used 158 grn winchester soft points. I got complete penetration through front shoulders. . The shots were inside 50 yards.😊😊 God bless merry Christmas and GOOD shooting. 😊
I have seen other ammo makers use 8" barrels for testing. Which prompted me to look at the SAAMI specs for .357. They list both a 4" vented barrel and a 10" solid barrel. The 10" barrel is measured like a semi-auto and included the length of the cartridge. Measured like a revolver, without the length of the cartridge, it would be 8 and 3/8 inches. Maybe that's why ammo makers use it. Higher numbers on the box sells more ammo and it is technically following industry guidelines.
I personally think the opposite. It performs nearly identically to my hand loads with fast burning powder, but that type of powder can't give that great of power. Near identical velocity with the same XTP, identical recoil impulse to 7.5 gr of Titegroup handloads.
The 10 mm is a good SD load but the 357 Mag. with it's greater sectional density is a good hunting load. This is what happens when the same weight bullets are compared in different calibers.
So many videos of yours now seem to expose I.g., Underwood Ammo, of weak loaded .357 magnum. So good man, thank you. I would love to see you get the 610 in 6.5” too and see if there is a difference. Maybe one day.
That's the barrel length (4") where they cross over. 10mm best up to about 3 or 4 inches, depending on the ammo, then the 357 surpasses greatly after that. The powder flash in the 357 told us that.
@gunsam -- I HIGHLY recommend the "RIMZ" from EZ Moonclips, they are polymer and are bend resistant. Also, the Hi-Viz sight (comes in two heights btw) for the 610 -- the 610 is even easier to change a front sight on than a Ruger GP100 standard. Just pull to the rear and up, there is a spring detent. Why oh why Smith does not do this on all their revolvers I will never know -- its awesome. Yes Fiber Optics break. Easy fix with some spare rods and a lighter and scissors. As my eyes get older I start appreciating that nice green fiber optic.
Use either one in the proper firearm. That 10mm revolver is mostly just a 40cal revolver with moonclips, so you can eject and reload. The 357 is still a 357 that you reload with more 357.
I was struggling to justify owning both my Dan Wesson 357 and my my Tanfoglio 10mm. I’d always heard that the 357 is slightly more powerful than 10mm, but I honestly don’t think that’s true anymore. Comparing the numbers of the 10mm and the 357 on Buffalo Bore’s website, their energies are so close there’s just not enough difference to matter. But with its extra mass, width, and significantly greater capacity, the 10mm had my 357 beat in every way. 😢 However, after carrying each of them for a day, I found what none of those numbers on page could tell me: my Dan Wesson is A LOT more comfortable to wear than my Tanfoglio. The gun’s a bit lighter, thinner, and the tiny grip is easy to conceal. In other words, my 357 deals about as much power as my 10mm but in a much smaller package. All in all, my 357 is still a very relevant member of my collection!
I once compared the hottest JHP 10mm from Underwood in my 5.3" Glock conversion, to the hottest JHP .357 Mag from Buffalo Bore, which is basically the same amount of bullet travel in each respective gun. Energy - 10mm 792 FPE, .357 Mag 794 FPE. Very very close when both are at their top potential. Now days though, defensive run of the mill loads in .357 Mag in a 4" barrel run about 580ish FPE while a lot of 10mm loads in a 4" revolver/5" auto are closer to 650 FPE.
more damage in a shorter distance but if you need more pen the 357 looks better. Imagine if you had tested 158 gr 357 against the 155gr 10mm. Or 180 vs 180.
Way back around 1974 when I got my first handgun a Ruger Security Six 357 mag the ammo was loaded with 158 grains screaming out of the muzzle at almost 1500 feet per second ---- so in reality you're not really comparing TRUE 357 magnum to 10mm but I know it's not your fault.
357 is downloaded to meet the bullet technology, which you don't need in the first place. 10mm is downloaded to work specifically with the 40 cal bullets. In either case, they are made weaker to work with the current bullet technology. They could easily make proper 10mm and 357 bullets that work at the right velocities, but the 38/40 bullet tech also works in the 38/40 guns.
@@logangodofcandy That's nonsense the 357 was developed back in the 1930's to provide law enforcement the power to punch thru the metal cars of gangsters the 38 special just didn't have the power. I think the problem is profit over customer satisfaction is why they cut the power but not the price.
When you put the 10mm in a revolver, you can really trust it to do its thing. How well does the 610 do with 40S&W? I presume it would be relying on the moon rings for head spacing on the shorter cartridge. Then again, I suppose there's no need to go to the less powerful round with an N-Frame.
In a video I did with several 165 gr .40 S&W JHP rounds, I basically got identical velocity to what I got in my 5" M&P pistol. Works just fine with the moon clip. It was great because it has all the power of a longslide semi auto, with half the recoil due to high weight. With 10mm ammo, there tends to be some velocity drop VS a 5" auto, but not any with .40 S&W ammo.
@@GunSam Cool. So then the question becomes, is the 610 worth getting over the 629? The 44 Magnum does have a longer case. But you could shoot hot 44 Special or load hot 44 Special. Oddly enough, 44 Special brass costs more than 44 Magnum brass. Although with a brass trimmer, I guess it wouldn't matter. It seems to me the 10mm auto and the 44 Magnum should be roughly comparable as the bullet diameters are pretty close. Although perhaps there isn't a huge difference between 357 and 40 either. Although more diameter should get more efficiency from a given pressure. I suppose that would really come down to beginning and ending volume.
@@Fudmottin I think it depends on many factors. I had a 6" 629 at one time. Ultimately, the .44 Magnum is the better revolver, especially if you hand load. But, the 10mm can shoot some cheap .40 S&W ammo that is typically more powerful than .44 Special and way cheaper ammo, and hot 10mm is pretty close to low end .44 Magnum from a 4" revolver. What stands out as the main difference is that .44 Magnum has massive recoil, but 10mm from this revolver has less recoil than full power .357 Magnum ammo. At the end of the day, if my life depended on it and I didn't shoot a lot, i'd get a .44 Magnum because loading and unloading is more reliable and it's gonna shoot no matter what. The 10mm revolver takes a little more thought process into it like how you plan to eject and reload, making sure the moon clips aren't bent before you carry it etc, but - if you shoot a lot of ammo for practice and know your way around moon clips, the 10mm revolver could be a better option.
@@GunSam I originally got into reloading because the 44 Magnum was so expensive. Also the recoil from a 3" 629 is quite stout indeed! So I was loading low cost low power rounds. They weren't even stressing the brass, so didn't even worry about brass life because I wasn't doing a full length resize.
I was talking with a guy and we were discussing the velocities of Super Vel 180 grain 44 magnum from a 2.75" combat magnum vs a Glock 20 with Buffalo Bore 180 grain 10mm. Their velocities, weight and energy being similar on paper. The two guns were relevant because they're virtually the same OAL and width with the Glock being 7 ounces lighter and holding 2.5 times the ammunition.
10mm Short & 40 Long are such wonderful cartridges! My .40 Snub I use as BUG w just shy of 2.3" seems to get about G27 velocity best I can figure, and that's within .40 design envelope since tons of agencies were testing G27 as backup and off duty. I tested 165 gr punch in it because over 400 ft lbs and VERY impressive...my man at Federal says can't go wrong with 180 HST it always performs great Real World OIS results too. But Sam come on everyone's not going to carry heavy 4" wheel guns....how about you test something a little more practical no one has an excuse not to carry EVERY SINGLE Day ALWAYS.....
I was going to release a short barrel test of 9mm and .40 S&W Punch instead of this one today. The .40 S&W from my G2C was something like 430 ft lbs energy from that 3.2" barrel. I was pretty shocked at that as a lot of .40 S&W from that G2C is barely more energy than the 9mm version of the same brand.
How about “real world” test at 7yds., 10yds., and 15yds.? What would happen to all these picture perfect expansions close up from all these modern bullet designs? A knife threat coming from 7yds. is a “real world” threat. Does a 9mm really perform as well at longer range? Or have ammo makers played the gel game to have all calibers get close to 12” at point blank ranges?
I wish the 10mm cartridge didn’t require you to use moon clips. Not that it matters in 90% of situations, but the ability to use speed loaders or directly put in bullets one by one makes the 357 better for self defense with revolvers in my eyes. For hunting with revolvers, I can see the 10mm being a better choice, but for self defense, I’d stick with the 357. Just can’t get over the fact that you need to use moon clips for fast reloads, and then with that, I have a fear of it bending.
You don't absolutely have to use moon clips at all. The moon clips are only required if you want to use the ejector to get out the spent brass or if you want to use .40 S&W ammo. If your chambers are clean, what you initially fired in the first cylinder, the brass will fall out when you tip the revolver upward.
@ gotcha. I thought that the empty casings would get stuck every time you fire without a moon clip. I’m guessing that only applies after a couple rounds and the cylinder gets clogged. As usual, thanks for the info!
@@xkben90 If you have fired a lot of rounds or if the rounds are particularly powerful, the brass may not fall out. But it's been my experience that with the first few cylinders full without moon clips in a clean revolver, the brass tends to either fall out when inverted, or most will fall out and the rest will too if you tap the cylinder. Once you get to maybe 30-40 rounds of firing, now you are into fingernail pluck territory, but still pretty easy to remove.
Yes and no. I know I have tested it before but I don't think it was in gel. Was a long time ago into water jugs, might have been through a snub nose too.
Underwood, Buffalo Bore, Double Tap for me. I Loved Hornady until I found out how shady they are on there Popular round's Ballistics. I Do not know anyone who carries an 8 inch barrel on any revolver , But that's just me. Great Video though.
So, in your comments at the beginning you inferred even with the same manufacturer and specific type of ammo the velocities were erratic. I agree, I’ve noticed this in the past years with different calibers of the same companies. It’s as if the producers are becoming sloppy. All the more reason to hand-load. Perhaps you should introduce hand-loads as part of your testing, using these as a base line to compare factory loads?
Their loaded cartridges often suck ass. You can handload much much better stuff with their bullets. Excellent bullets, bad cartridges. The 45acp 220 +p extreme duty are bad ass, however.
Call me impressed with the 10mm round. The only problem is the 10mm is hard to get in my area, slightly more expensive compared to .357-mag. My other concern is ammo availability after a potential breakdown of society. Popular rounds such as 9mm Lugar will be much easier to find. Although a cessation of society is remote at best. It's hard to argue against it when Putin threatens nuclear attack.
MY BULLET OF CHOICE IS THE 140gr XTP -- AT ABOUT 1200 FPS I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT IT WOULD BE AN EFFECTIVE MAN STOPPER ALWAYS GIVES A BIT MORE PENETRATION THAN THE 125 gr LOADS
Every time you do a comparison video involving a .357 magnum round, I find myself rooting for that round. This video was no different. Except I now find myself appreciating the 10mm more and more. Thanks for creating such great content. You have the best TH-cam gun channel. You perform realistic measurements and exercises.
Thanks. A lot of people say the .357 Magnum is more powerful, and maybe it was at one point, but currently I would say 90% of .357 Mag VS 10mm tests I do, the 10mm is more powerful.
Agreed. I own both
I'm hard core thinking about replacing the .357/.38 for the 10mm/.40 for my "woods gun" it just makes sense.
It's so small a difference if you already have a nice 357 I wouldn't change over to 10mm I mean unless you like to blow money or just want a new gun. 10mm is just a lil bigger and a lil heavier loads but they both kill a deer or drive heavy hardcast loads in bears skulls
@@GunSamcase in point is the fact that 10mm is used much more for brown bear defense. I wouldn’t have a 357 for that.
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I hope your feeling better brother
@@VroomNBoom Feeling better?
@GunSam yeah from that sickness you had that pretty much put a pause on you making videos I know you weren't feeling to good for a long while
@@VroomNBoom Thanks, but I have never really paused making videos. I was sick from December 2023 to January 2024, had a few other short times of illness but again I never paused making videos for any amount of time other than like for 2 weeks, a year ago.
This was a really good comparison that ended up being 2 winner's I think. Especially for reasonably priced ammo. Thanks for the video!
Gun Sam and Tools and Targets are my favorite ammo testing channels!
A few years ago Paul Harrell showed how effective the American Gunner ammo was for self defense in 357mag. I was impressed so that’s what I run. Thanks to your video I’ll do the same in 10mm as long as my XDM runs it flawlessly.
Your .38 spl +p videos suprised me with how powerful they can be.
Great Video. I've grown to prefer Revolvers over semi autos. I added a sweet new Ruger .454 Alaskan yesterday.
I have a bunch of Polymers I need to sell.
Never sell your guns! Just buy more.. lol
Sell the polymers that you have multiple in that caliber or gun size. Maintain a wide array of toys
Both rounds did excellent overall, accuracy and expansion were what I would expect from Hornady. The .357 was loaded on the light side and I think it could have been better. The XTP is still an excellent bullet even after all these years! Thanks for sharing!👍🙏❤💯
This is a favorite test - thank you! I recently shot both of these. The 10mm was through a Glock 20 and the 357 was through an LCR. After 3 cylinders, I decided to step down to 38 spl. The recoil was fairly unpleasant, but the flash was enormous from the LCR whereas the Glock was very manageable. Like other comments suggest - I always believed the 357 had a higher ceiling, but I'm growing more fond of the 10mm - it seems to be loaded to full potential more commonly. I picked these up for ~ $20/box which was quite a deal. Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas! 🎄
Merry Christmas
Remarkably consistent bullet performance from both loads in both bare gel and your real-world gel tests. It was always my experience with full power 357 Magnum loads using 125 grain bullets was that they barked loud and the flash was enough that it can make people on the firing line back away from me, even in bright sunlight. 158 grain full power 357 loads tend to produce less flash.
125gr vs. 155gr isn't quite a logic comparison; standard .357 is 158gr.
Thanks for the content! I think the winner in this comparison is the ammunition. It performed very well in both calibers. I recently tried the AG .357 in my Model 27 and was very pleased with its controllability.
I've always been a big fan of the .357 in a revolver as a do all sort of thing. Now I'm starting to think the 10mm/.40 might just be about as good. Thank you Sir for the great content. Let's see how they compare with some hunting type ammo.
These are both performing fantastic, such consistent penetration AND expansion both with and without the MDF. The .357 will penetrate a little more, but the 10mm will deliver more energy. Everyone's a winner today!
After this thinking of buying the sw 610 thanks for all the test you do for us
I like mine. One of the biggest selling points for me is it can shoot .40 S&W ammo. There's a lot of cheap .40 S&W ammo out there, it recoils enough to feel like you're shooting a real caliber but it's cheaper than any other cartridge in it's power range. For instance, I could buy a box of .38 Special for $30 and shoot it in a full size revolver and go tink tink on steel, or I could buy a box of .40 S&W for $20 and go bang bang on the steel for less. OR I could shoot 10mm ammo that is roughly as powerful as .357 Magnum ammo, for a little bit less money too.
I carry a small Ruger LCR .357 as my EDC. I tied some Hornady " critical defense ". It made me want to shoot hot .44 magnum for relief! The flash, blast and recoil made me switch to .38 +P for my carry duty! The Hornady would be fine out of a heavy revolver but I had the feeling that a few boxes would blow my LCR apart!
My 357 carry ammo is banes vor-tx 140gr. All copper bullet gives it better penetration and more reliable expansion.
Hi gun Sam. Another awsome video. And 2 very nice revolvers. I think both would work very well as camping guns. Ive never fired 10 mm. But i have hunted deer and got 2 so far with my 357 mag ruger 7" blackhawk. I used 158 grn winchester soft points. I got complete penetration through front shoulders. . The shots were inside 50 yards.😊😊 God bless merry Christmas and GOOD shooting. 😊
I have seen other ammo makers use 8" barrels for testing. Which prompted me to look at the SAAMI specs for .357. They list both a 4" vented barrel and a 10" solid barrel. The 10" barrel is measured like a semi-auto and included the length of the cartridge. Measured like a revolver, without the length of the cartridge, it would be 8 and 3/8 inches. Maybe that's why ammo makers use it. Higher numbers on the box sells more ammo and it is technically following industry guidelines.
GS. Always a good and interesting video and ammo comparison. Good shooting and thanks for sharing. Take care.
My guess is that the powder used in the 357 load is designed for longer barrels, hence the muzzle flash and lower than advertised velocity.
I personally think the opposite. It performs nearly identically to my hand loads with fast burning powder, but that type of powder can't give that great of power. Near identical velocity with the same XTP, identical recoil impulse to 7.5 gr of Titegroup handloads.
I love these Got Dang videos
The 10 mm is a good SD load but the 357 Mag. with it's greater sectional density is a good hunting load. This is what happens when the same weight bullets are compared in different calibers.
So many videos of yours now seem to expose I.g., Underwood Ammo, of weak loaded .357 magnum. So good man, thank you. I would love to see you get the 610 in 6.5” too and see if there is a difference. Maybe one day.
Thanks for the video
I must say I'm impressed with that 357 in gel. Sure, the 10mm dumped more energy into the block, but I like the penetration that the 357 gave.
Handguns don't dump any energy that matters into a target. they just slow down faster or they don't.
Both performed really well.
Forgot to add, great content as usual and Merry Christmas.
Nice shooting Sam! Great evaluation ;)
Great video -as always! Gotta get me a S&W 610! Merry Christmas!
Thank you, Merry Christmas.
I have the 6.5” SW 610 and it’s a hammer with good loads.
Thanks for all the work you do, always fun to watch your videos!
Good stuff all the way around, thanks for the show and tell.
Thumbs up on both rounds!
Good test, Sam. 👍
That's the barrel length (4") where they cross over. 10mm best up to about 3 or 4 inches, depending on the ammo, then the 357 surpasses greatly after that. The powder flash in the 357 told us that.
@gunsam -- I HIGHLY recommend the "RIMZ" from EZ Moonclips, they are polymer and are bend resistant. Also, the Hi-Viz sight (comes in two heights btw) for the 610 -- the 610 is even easier to change a front sight on than a Ruger GP100 standard. Just pull to the rear and up, there is a spring detent. Why oh why Smith does not do this on all their revolvers I will never know -- its awesome.
Yes Fiber Optics break. Easy fix with some spare rods and a lighter and scissors. As my eyes get older I start appreciating that nice green fiber optic.
610 has a shorter 4" barrel ,,, has the right look !
Thanks again for your hard work.
I'd say 10mm for self defense against people and .357 for animal defense/hunting.
Humans are just two legged mammals 🙂
Use either one in the proper firearm. That 10mm revolver is mostly just a 40cal revolver with moonclips, so you can eject and reload. The 357 is still a 357 that you reload with more 357.
The 9mm version has always been dead accurate with my shield plus.
XTP is so good in magnum handgun rounds
I was struggling to justify owning both my Dan Wesson 357 and my my Tanfoglio 10mm. I’d always heard that the 357 is slightly more powerful than 10mm, but I honestly don’t think that’s true anymore. Comparing the numbers of the 10mm and the 357 on Buffalo Bore’s website, their energies are so close there’s just not enough difference to matter. But with its extra mass, width, and significantly greater capacity, the 10mm had my 357 beat in every way. 😢
However, after carrying each of them for a day, I found what none of those numbers on page could tell me: my Dan Wesson is A LOT more comfortable to wear than my Tanfoglio. The gun’s a bit lighter, thinner, and the tiny grip is easy to conceal. In other words, my 357 deals about as much power as my 10mm but in a much smaller package. All in all, my 357 is still a very relevant member of my collection!
I once compared the hottest JHP 10mm from Underwood in my 5.3" Glock conversion, to the hottest JHP .357 Mag from Buffalo Bore, which is basically the same amount of bullet travel in each respective gun. Energy - 10mm 792 FPE, .357 Mag 794 FPE. Very very close when both are at their top potential. Now days though, defensive run of the mill loads in .357 Mag in a 4" barrel run about 580ish FPE while a lot of 10mm loads in a 4" revolver/5" auto are closer to 650 FPE.
You shot better with the 357. Damn near a one hole group on the closer rounds. 👍🏻
more damage in a shorter distance but if you need more pen the 357 looks better. Imagine if you had tested 158 gr 357 against the 155gr 10mm. Or 180 vs 180.
I have an older model S&W 686 & it's a N.M. State Police trade in; It's the most accurate revolver I own.
Way back around 1974 when I got my first handgun a Ruger Security Six 357 mag the ammo was loaded with 158 grains screaming out of the muzzle at almost 1500 feet per second ---- so in reality you're not really comparing TRUE 357 magnum to 10mm but I know it's not your fault.
Same story with the 10mm.
357 is downloaded to meet the bullet technology, which you don't need in the first place. 10mm is downloaded to work specifically with the 40 cal bullets. In either case, they are made weaker to work with the current bullet technology.
They could easily make proper 10mm and 357 bullets that work at the right velocities, but the 38/40 bullet tech also works in the 38/40 guns.
@@logangodofcandy That's nonsense the 357 was developed back in the 1930's to provide law enforcement the power to punch thru the metal cars of gangsters the 38 special just didn't have the power. I think the problem is profit over customer satisfaction is why they cut the power but not the price.
I got a box of 158gn Hornady Custom 357mag and it seems like the hottest rounds I've got from Hornady
When you put the 10mm in a revolver, you can really trust it to do its thing. How well does the 610 do with 40S&W? I presume it would be relying on the moon rings for head spacing on the shorter cartridge. Then again, I suppose there's no need to go to the less powerful round with an N-Frame.
In a video I did with several 165 gr .40 S&W JHP rounds, I basically got identical velocity to what I got in my 5" M&P pistol. Works just fine with the moon clip. It was great because it has all the power of a longslide semi auto, with half the recoil due to high weight. With 10mm ammo, there tends to be some velocity drop VS a 5" auto, but not any with .40 S&W ammo.
@@GunSam Cool. So then the question becomes, is the 610 worth getting over the 629? The 44 Magnum does have a longer case. But you could shoot hot 44 Special or load hot 44 Special. Oddly enough, 44 Special brass costs more than 44 Magnum brass. Although with a brass trimmer, I guess it wouldn't matter. It seems to me the 10mm auto and the 44 Magnum should be roughly comparable as the bullet diameters are pretty close. Although perhaps there isn't a huge difference between 357 and 40 either. Although more diameter should get more efficiency from a given pressure. I suppose that would really come down to beginning and ending volume.
@@Fudmottin I think it depends on many factors. I had a 6" 629 at one time. Ultimately, the .44 Magnum is the better revolver, especially if you hand load. But, the 10mm can shoot some cheap .40 S&W ammo that is typically more powerful than .44 Special and way cheaper ammo, and hot 10mm is pretty close to low end .44 Magnum from a 4" revolver.
What stands out as the main difference is that .44 Magnum has massive recoil, but 10mm from this revolver has less recoil than full power .357 Magnum ammo.
At the end of the day, if my life depended on it and I didn't shoot a lot, i'd get a .44 Magnum because loading and unloading is more reliable and it's gonna shoot no matter what. The 10mm revolver takes a little more thought process into it like how you plan to eject and reload, making sure the moon clips aren't bent before you carry it etc, but - if you shoot a lot of ammo for practice and know your way around moon clips, the 10mm revolver could be a better option.
@@GunSam I originally got into reloading because the 44 Magnum was so expensive. Also the recoil from a 3" 629 is quite stout indeed! So I was loading low cost low power rounds. They weren't even stressing the brass, so didn't even worry about brass life because I wasn't doing a full length resize.
The .357 Mag was designed for penetration (to replace .38 Sp) and that seems exactly what it does best after 90years in service around the world.
not bad. be interesting try 357 magnum in semi auto probably hard to find😊.
Very good performance. 10 for the win.
610 yep
A semi-auto in 10mm is like a 357 Sig with greater expansion. I think you proved that to my way of thinking.
Well the .357 Sig was created from necking down a 10mm auto.
I was talking with a guy and we were discussing the velocities of Super Vel 180 grain 44 magnum from a 2.75" combat magnum vs a Glock 20 with Buffalo Bore 180 grain 10mm. Their velocities, weight and energy being similar on paper. The two guns were relevant because they're virtually the same OAL and width with the Glock being 7 ounces lighter and holding 2.5 times the ammunition.
Good test. I use the 357
I would take the 357 mag over the 10mm any day, it just wouldn’t be that specific load.
10mm results kind of makes you wonder why the .41 mag did not get more development other than the standard 210 grain deer load.
10mm Short & 40 Long are such wonderful cartridges! My .40 Snub I use as BUG w just shy of 2.3" seems to get about G27 velocity best I can figure, and that's within .40 design envelope since tons of agencies were testing G27 as backup and off duty. I tested 165 gr punch in it because over 400 ft lbs and VERY impressive...my man at Federal says can't go wrong with 180 HST it always performs great Real World OIS results too. But Sam come on everyone's not going to carry heavy 4" wheel guns....how about you test something a little more practical no one has an excuse not to carry EVERY SINGLE Day ALWAYS.....
I was going to release a short barrel test of 9mm and .40 S&W Punch instead of this one today. The .40 S&W from my G2C was something like 430 ft lbs energy from that 3.2" barrel. I was pretty shocked at that as a lot of .40 S&W from that G2C is barely more energy than the 9mm version of the same brand.
How about “real world” test at 7yds., 10yds., and 15yds.? What would happen to all these picture perfect expansions close up from all these modern bullet designs?
A knife threat coming from 7yds. is a “real world” threat. Does a 9mm really perform as well at longer range? Or have ammo makers played the gel game to have all calibers get close to 12” at point blank ranges?
I wish the 10mm cartridge didn’t require you to use moon clips. Not that it matters in 90% of situations, but the ability to use speed loaders or directly put in bullets one by one makes the 357 better for self defense with revolvers in my eyes.
For hunting with revolvers, I can see the 10mm being a better choice, but for self defense, I’d stick with the 357.
Just can’t get over the fact that you need to use moon clips for fast reloads, and then with that, I have a fear of it bending.
You don't absolutely have to use moon clips at all. The moon clips are only required if you want to use the ejector to get out the spent brass or if you want to use .40 S&W ammo. If your chambers are clean, what you initially fired in the first cylinder, the brass will fall out when you tip the revolver upward.
@ gotcha. I thought that the empty casings would get stuck every time you fire without a moon clip. I’m guessing that only applies after a couple rounds and the cylinder gets clogged.
As usual, thanks for the info!
@@xkben90 If you have fired a lot of rounds or if the rounds are particularly powerful, the brass may not fall out. But it's been my experience that with the first few cylinders full without moon clips in a clean revolver, the brass tends to either fall out when inverted, or most will fall out and the rest will too if you tap the cylinder. Once you get to maybe 30-40 rounds of firing, now you are into fingernail pluck territory, but still pretty easy to remove.
Have you tested American Eagle 357 mag 158 gr jsp in a 4" revolver?
Yes and no. I know I have tested it before but I don't think it was in gel. Was a long time ago into water jugs, might have been through a snub nose too.
Underwood, Buffalo Bore, Double Tap for me. I Loved Hornady until I found out how shady they are on there Popular round's Ballistics. I Do not know anyone who carries an 8 inch barrel on any revolver , But that's just me. Great Video though.
357 is great for whitetail as
So, in your comments at the beginning you inferred even with the same manufacturer and specific type of ammo the velocities were erratic. I agree, I’ve noticed this in the past years with different calibers of the same companies. It’s as if the producers are becoming sloppy. All the more reason to hand-load. Perhaps you should introduce hand-loads as part of your testing, using these as a base line to compare factory loads?
I do test my hand loads from time to time.
Wins all around, just one won a little more. Good to see a decent 10mm load too; a lot of pretend mm out there
good ammo. both performed almost the same in both tests.
I want to love Hornady.......but they keep pushing me away!
Their loaded cartridges often suck ass. You can handload much much better stuff with their bullets. Excellent bullets, bad cartridges. The 45acp 220 +p extreme duty are bad ass, however.
Call me impressed with the 10mm round. The only problem is the 10mm is hard to get in my area, slightly more expensive compared to .357-mag. My other concern is ammo availability after a potential breakdown of society. Popular rounds such as 9mm Lugar will be much easier to find. Although a cessation of society is remote at best. It's hard to argue against it when Putin threatens nuclear attack.
Why do we now have a 9 mm and a 10 mm?
9 for the hoods, 10 for the woods
MY BULLET OF CHOICE IS THE 140gr XTP -- AT ABOUT 1200 FPS I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT IT WOULD BE AN EFFECTIVE MAN STOPPER ALWAYS GIVES A BIT MORE PENETRATION THAN THE 125 gr LOADS
Great, but STOP SHOUTING!
@@somebloke13 WHY ?
Nice tests, im not a fan of moon crickets.
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Just imagine 8 inches of bear fat before bullet ever touches a muscle.
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