'Complete nonsense!' | Bill Browder SLAMS Nigel Farage for justifying Putin's invasion of Ukraine
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- “He had huge sympathy for me and for my mission and…all the terrible things we’ve suffered at the hands of Putin.”
Bill Browder says Nigel Farage is “opportunistic” in changing his tone towards Putin for the election.
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Russia does NOT get to dictate ANY countries ECONOMIES/FOREIGN POLICY. End of story
Exactly right👍
But America can? Is that a double standard or an acceptance that America is just better than Russia so is allowed to that?
@@tedteddington6223 Clearly we're talking about dictating things at gunpoint, not about dictating things in general. Every country can try to dictate policies, that's not the problem here. For example, when Poland exited USSR, the west dictated a switch to open market, and Poland agreed. To this day we debate in Poland if the switch could be done better. But there wasn't a military threat from the West, we just wouldn't get some of the incentives. Nobody had a problem with this.
Also, maybe you are not aware of the local sentiment that is the basis of the comment. The sentiment is, Russia has been hurting eastern europe for decades. Almost every person in eastern europe has a family member in last 2 generations who died due to Russia. When someone here says "Russia has no right to dictate us anything", we mean it in this particular context.
@@janb3625 Fair point well put. On the other end of that though is the SS division made up of Ukrainians who killed Poles. There's much hurt on all sides and there is much nuance within any point. Squadron 303, best damn pilots the (1940) RAF had. Cheers.
Only America does that through AIPAC
May I respectfully point out to the ambassador, who is surely far more knowledgeable on this topic than I am, that NATO didn't strongarm any of the former Soviet Republics or Soviet satellites into joining. They asked to join for safety because of their experiences with the USSR. Also, Finland and Sweden would still be neutral and outside NATO if Putin hadn't invaded Ukraine.
Strong arm, maybe not, but seduction?
@@edgar-valentine Corporate regimes consider the very existence of nation-states to be seductive for the population of territories ruled by corporate entities.
In Putin’s eyes Western nations is a pretence of secret “global government” to lure the entire population of the Earth under their control. He simply doesn’t believe that citizens can possibly nationalise their governments.
And thus,he would see it as “seduction”, not a free choice of Citroens and nations.
See the interview again! He blamed Putin for the war!!!!!! And the alternative a PM that walks out on the vets at D day rememberance! A Labour party that may cut military expenses,!and even the UKs nukler deterant!
I suppose becoming less vulnerable to attack is "seductive" in a way.@simonlever
@@It1nt Touché!
Every Country have the Freedom to belong to EU, NATO, wathever, without ask for permission to the neighbours much less to Putin.
TRUE
Idiotic. US almost started a nuclear war over the same thing in cuba....which they illegally sanction to this day
This was the deficiency in Brentons - and Farage's- argument. Russia has no right to attack or subvert neighbouring states, it's against the UN charter and the Budapest memorandum it signed. If we have to have a standoff like in Korea, that's better than giving Putin anything of what he wants.
@davidmullens2464 you had no right to invade iraq....but there you were. Debating law in a war is like debating law in a streetfight "you cant hit me bc its wrong"
Absolutely agree with Browder... Russians use everything western yet they badmouth the west and the western politicians still listen to Kremlin''s News channels...
This former diplomat has the exact level of naivety that Neville Chamberlain had. What a tool.
He’s a coward - the pompous theory university bubble type - likely avoiding actual fights his whole life. Kremlin talking points are cleverly embedded in even the people who pretend to condemn Putin’s invasion. Watch out for these types everyone! They act sensible but casually sneak into conversation what Putin wants. Stay united, disinformation is everywhere now, Slava Ukraine.
The U.K. political class for all to show. Lions led by donkeys is a saying for a reason.
What do u actually know about Chamberlain?
I couldn’t agree more. It’s clear where this former diplomats sympathies lie.
I'm off topic slightly. Chamberlain did try to avoid war with the Czech agreement, it possibly slowed down Hitler's master plan and gave Britain time to improve their military preparedness. Chamberlain declared war in 1939 and he died in 1940,with hindsight I feel he acted responsibly for the British and the title of "appeaser" given to Chamberlain is not really justified as Britain was not ready for war in 1938.
The Foreign Office are notorious for going native. Reminds me what John Sweeney said of the BBC Station Head in Moscow. He said the guy seemed more of an apologist for Putin than an objective observer.
This asinine idea that Ukraine was pushed into seeking NATO completely strips Ukraine of any agency. If Ukraine wants to align itself with NATO and the EU over russia, as a sovereign nation, it has the right to do so, and russia has NO say in the matter.
PRECISELY.
Aye, and Cuba has every right to host military forces of any nation on earth.
USA should have no say.
@@dazjackson1972 Yup, agreed. Would I prefer they don't? Absolutely. Is it their choice? Yes.
They don't really have a right per se joining NATO isn't some kind of universal right. NATO is an exclusive club of nations no one has rights to join especially if other countries feel it threatens their security. There's a reason why the US doesn't allow countries in South America to join defence pacts with other countries. They feel it undermines their security. I think that's wrong but we live in the real world and in the real world the powerful countries dictate.
China would never be allowed to set up bases anywhere that threatens US security.
@@AdeleKakwandiThey have the to apply and self determination though. That is exactly what China is trying to do right now with it's belt and road initiative. But it looks like everyone is waking up to it and they are going to run out of money.
Who gave russia veto rights for denying souveriegn countries to join Nato (or any other organisations)??????
I wonder what would happen if Mexico signed an alliance treat with China? Would the Americans just accept it? The Cuban Missile Crisis proves no, they would not. "Who gave the United States veto rights over Cuba having Soviet missiles on its own sovereign territory?" You are at best ignorant, at worst a hypocrite.
If Scotland ever becomes independent should we then just chill out if they decided to join the Russian Federation?
I know it's unlikely, but Alex Salmond did work for RT.
Who gave USA right to stop Iran Venezuela, and many others selling their oil. USA are worse than Russia for telling other Countries what to do.
@@maewest68 the era of spheres of influence is a tad bit outdated.
letting a stronger country get away with invading their sovereign neighbours would just encourage other dictators to do the same and other smaller nations to seek nuclear deterrence. an absolute disaster for international relations.
@@tofu666 then there is only one question; if the West, and the key players in NATO, can invade Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, threaten to go to war to "defend" Taiwan, threaten regime change in Iran and assassinate Iranian generals on foreign territory, why can't Russia invade the Ukraine? The era of spheres of influence is not outdated at all, it is even more relevant today than it was 30 years ago in a "multipolar World".
"Letting a stronger country get away with invading a sovereign nation would just encourage other "democracies" to do the same and other small nations to seek nuclear deterence (N. Korea, Iran etc) and defensive pacts (Russia and China) against these "democracies". An absolute disaster for international relations".
You think you're clever but you're not.
It’s appalling we have such ignorant diplomats. He should be nowhere near foreign office.
you say ignorant.. I say corrupt..
HIS facts were totally incorrect
He didn’t know there are minerals we don’t to benefit Russia and China
@@austinbourke9292 His conclusions are faulty. The Russians gave Ukraine every reason to want protection. Fact is that NATO was lukewarm about Ukrainian membership and Ukrainians mostly didn't want to signal intention to join NATO out of fear of Putin's reaction. Putin's aggression toward Ukraine far re-dated any talk of NATO membership.
He only got the job because at the time he was seen as very pro Russian.
He his opinions have carried little weight since leaving his job. So why Times radio ask him to speak is a little bit strange maybe the original speak pullout at the last moment.
A ruthless dictator cannot be appeased.
Bill is such a Champion! If only more leaders had his courage, conviction and sense of decency.
browder decency ? that used to include telling the truth in the old days😂😂😂
The ambassador is proof that many of these positions are claimed by peoples social connections rather than suitability or astuteness.
If it was “our intent” to expand NATO into Ukraine, how come when Ukraine says, “please, can we join NATO now?” Do we say “No, not yet. You’re not quite there yet.”?
The former UK ambassador to Russia sounds way too much like an ambassador of Russia to the UK.
His arguments are as toothless as his gob.
What an idiot.
I strongly disagree. Looking at the last 500 years of our experience with Russia,I think he has an excellent grasp of the real situation off today.
Bill Browder is on a personal vendetta, that has dangerously blinded him.
Idiotic comment. Listen to him. He is not pro Russia. He is not a Putin supporter. Good God. Listen.
Putin apologist nonsense bot@@winstonchurchill8300
You don’t like the FACTS, they are freely available
Bill Browder understands about Russia more than ex-ambassador to Russia.
And Browder definitely understands more about Russia than Farage, but I suspect that's a pretty low bar.
Browder is a typical American brass and confrontational. Watch the Channel 4 video with George Robertson the former Secretary General of NATO on how the West let Putin and Russia down. You have to work with people to get things done not keep challenging them. Winston Churchill understood that more than 80 years ago. There was no point being superior and aggressive with Stalin you had to work with him to get results. Americans don’t understand that. Nigel Farage is correct.
Why did he have to completely misrepresent Putins approval rating data then?
In your sick mind.
i agree with bills comments about putin
Thank you Mr. Browder!
It was not our intent to expand nato it was Ukraine who wished to be part of nato bill stay safe your amazing a real hero
Bill is right on about Putin.
He has to be everyday for the past 20 years , his life depends on it
Typical bully behaviour. Starting to feel threatened as soon as somebody stands up to their bs...
”The Russian people support the war”… they support whatever Putin does. Had he not invaded Ukraine they would never have wanted it. “Pushing Ukraine into NATO”… you apply to join NATO. All countries on Russias border want to join.
The people enable putin by giving their power away. ..they had no idea it would be abused to create deaths and invasions ...and now they are stuck ,unable to protest .
There in lies the problem.
Putin is making NATO grow.
Hardly any countries joined NATO the last 20 years. Until Putin attacked a sovereign country!
@rufanuf1 Only problem is russia
@@pauldench1299 True, and they ain't going away sadly. They say nations get the leaders they deserve. This is why the world is in the state its in.
Ukraine wasn’t in NATO and had zero chance to join since 2014. You can’t join NATO if you have territorial disputes with aggressors. Does the ambassador not know about 2014-2022?
There on here to lie...period
It's not for russia to tell me a damned thing.
The ambassador is cowardly and shameful.
Complete nonsense from Tony for sure. Sir Bill has it correct.
Putin has no right to tell another country who they can align with. Can we tell Putin not to ally Russia with China, North Korea ??????????????????
usa did the same 1962 they stopped cuba joining russia same thing
"I broke into your house because I saw that you were putting bars on the windows; wouldn't have touched it otherwise. So you were responsible for me breaking into your house."
Ukraine was not going to join NATO before the invasion.
Huh? So why do they have numerous CIA bases there
NATO had only very small forces in surrounding countries until Russia invaded Ukraine. Ukraine only wanted in to NATO after being attacked, not before.
Farage is a kind of British analogue of Donald Trump. 100% opportunistic and essentially empty.
Is the diplomat paid by Putin? Ukraine is an independent country, why should Russia dictate Ukrainians what they can and can not do?
The ambassador is very naive...
putin has been talking about recreating the Soviet Union since he came to power. Talk about that.
That is nonsense
@@voice.of.reason Triggered much? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes. Already when only PM in 1999 he started the 2nd Chechen war and planned to invade Georgia (which he realised 9 years later), and planned invasion of Ukraine no later than 2003 (which he realised with Crimea 11 years later). He has planned all this a quarter of a century ago.
@@larsrons7937 You got it. 👍
@@cynthiamarie2107 Yes, thanks. Some of us need to be aware of it. Many people don't even know the war in Ukraine started in 2014 and has been going on for over ten years.
You might ask why is the Eu such a threat to Putin.
The EU is a far greater threat to Putin than NATO, because if Ukraine is wealthy and successful, the Russian people will want the same.
farage snake oils salesman and snake in the grass by nature.
If you voted for Farages Brexit shame on Farage. If you vote for him now, shame on you.
Free people can decide join nato if want it that simple
Farage kisses Trump's ring. The one under the daiper.
I know right ! 🤮
And you take to the knee every time you are told to.😏
He has a lot of shares in arms companies lol
Wow, this ex-ambassador is completely out of touch
There is NO NEGOTIATION with pootin the puny, only CAPITULATION!
Absolutely, what happens though if your neighbour disagrees
It is complete nonsense i suggest read about BlackRock and investments in Ukraine and I have nothing more to say.
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That ambassador is shocking, how did he get that job I wonder, hasn't got a clue about the country he worked in
Farage didn't justify Putin's invasion. The criticism are straw men arguments.
I don't want Arthur Neville Chamberlain again as my PM. Nigel Farage (now "NEVILLE GARAGE") has now lost my otherwise definite Reform vote((
@@Trump_the_RAPIST Are you unhinged?
We know Browder's opinion. He was wronged, perhaps even rightly, and now is out for revenge (his mission), even if you start a world war. NATO is defensive? Why did they then attack Serbia in support of Bosnia?
Putin will see this and rub his hands.
Sir Tony Brenton was the British Ambassador to Russia, he said that Farage was Correct on
the Point that the West's move to Include Ukraine into Nato was part of what provoked Russia into this war
He akso went on to say that the US Ambassador also said the same thing.
Bill Browder is giving his biased slant, or should I say rant on the situation and that is all it is. It is his opinion with absolutely no facts.
There was letter from US Secretary of State(James Baker) to Gorbechev in 1990 stated that NATO would not expand its boundaries. Then we get on to cicrumstances with Victoria Nuland and how Zelensky got into power in Ukraine, around 2014.
Russia didn't invade Ukraine due to NATO. Putin, himself, denied that cause when it was raised in the Tucker Carlson interview. Subsequently, Putin cognitively wandered off into his mists-of-time imperialist jibberish.
I'm sure England would be very understanding if a future independent Scotland welcomed Russian Fighter Squadrons onto its bases.
Just like USA would be overjoyed to see China and Mexico sign a "defence" pact.
Rusha' isn't a superpower like the US, and has a joke military and an economy smaller than Italy's.
Well said !
@@user4j0xo5-qi6qdNot sure what your point is, but I said "future independent Scotland." At which point it would no longer be part of the UK.
Russia and china are never gonna be welcomed by democratic countries,we dont want to be controlled by wanna be heroes, Ukrainians wants freedom they dont like putin they dont care about mother russia , and they have the right to defend their land , only a coward would accept invaders conditions without fighting in the mean time Putin is just getting older , exposed and humiliated.
Russia has bases in Kaliningrad, nobody cared.
Farage should defer to Bill who knows a lot more about Putin than he does.
This guy should get the Neville Chamberlain award for diplomacy.
In response to the conversation between Sir Bill Browder and Sir Anthony Brenton, both talk truth and common sense. I am encouraged that Sir Tony extended his hand to Sir Bill for further dialogue on this issue and others. It was telling how two great minds can take a nuanced view of the same subject. More support at this level for Sir Bill can only be excellent news in a wider context and concerning the furtherance of the Sergei Magnitsky Act campaign worldwide.
It's a wonder Farage didn't say if I was PM Russia, would never have invaded Ukraine.
Typical foreign office. They dont promote our interests but the country's they serve in.
He whent to America to learn from trump. Don't take my word you can find it on-line
Dont call it nonsense...just offer your opinion without using strong words
Agree 100% with Bill Browder.
Right, give us the exact words Farage used - not interpretations of what he said!
Bill Browder is a Prince among men.
Totally agree with you Bill ,in every wotrd you said. Some people in the west just dont underneath
Someone who can hold two ideas in their head at the same time vs an American:
This has just lost farage any chance of pm !! Nato is defence. .
He was was talking about a lack of diplomacy by NATO
Who's this 'Lord Halifax'?
Another great interview with Bill. This guy knows exactly what’s in Putin’s head! Evil. 👍
What a great debate on the war in Ukraine. Both parties make true and valid points.
That said. If we are having to eventually negotiate with Putin then doesn’t that tell the world that dictators/bullies will always prevail?
Post-communist country here. We raced to join NATO as soon as it was possible. Nobody forced us. Lived history with Russia (Moscow) was one of the reasons.
Also, anyone claiming that "NATO is a threat to Russia" has to explain why Russia withdrew its forces from Finnish border after Finland joined NATO.
NATO is a defensive threat to Russia, for sure. Not an offensive one. Very important difference.
The English Constitution Party are standing in the Speaker's seat, citing our 1688 bill of rights as their manifesto.. That's all the Reform we need. Ofcom deny they're on a fatwah but ask yourselves why else do you not know anything about them?
Nigel Farage , the new Lord Haw Haw!!!!
All thoughtful insightful comment. Thanks.
The ex UK Ambassador to Russia totally agrees with Nigel
A: "If you move that, this will happen."
B: Moves that. This happens.
B: "Why A was wrong and is completely ridiculous."
Is the Neville Chamberlain grandson?
Who the heck is Bill Browder? Never heard of them throwing his two pence in.
Shouldn't "Farage" rhyme with "mirage"?
so why is ok to join Czechs, Slovaks, Pols? Estonians? Latvians? Finns? Swedens? Ukrainians are not self determining people? They have right to reason for themselfs!!!
Is the former ambassador saying that Ukraine shouldn't be allowed to join NATO because it will upset the Russians?
I know Bill Browder but who is the other guy? Neville Scamberlaine. Peace in our time?
Sir Bill is not interested in meeting him. That was obvious
As Jake Broe makes clear in his excellent updates on the war in Ukraine there are more reasons why Russian fears of Ukraine joining NATO is claptrap.
1. Whereas there had been no talk of this prior to the invasion, Russia has been doing military exercises along the Ukrainian border ever since 2016,
2. If the Russians fear "NATO agression," why are they actually WITHDRAWING troops and military installantions from the Russo-Finnish border?
3. And why, if they fear "NATO agression," do they waste so many precious missiles (of US $ 500,000 or so a piece) on Ukrainian hospitals, schools, churches, market places, theatres and appartment blocs?
In all their actions the Russians make it clear that they have not the slightest fear of any NATO attack on their country.
Bill is so articulate and just the right man to refute Farage's daft pro Russian line.
Bill tottaly say truth. I m from Ukraine and here all cnow same
Well, I WAS a supporter and champion for Farage, but NOW if he is arguing that a deal should be done with Pootin to give up bits or all of Ukraine, he's l;ost me !
Is this the case; that he is championing Russia or at least wimping out on support for UKR resistance ??
Does anyone here know who Mr Browders grandfather was?
Russia invaded Finland a long time ago.
RUSSIA threatened Finland they would pay a price if they joined NATO!
NATO WAS LITERALLY CREATED TO DEFEND AGAINST RUSSIA.
RUSSIA BEING APPALLED AT COUNTRIES JOINING NATO DOSE NOT GIVE RUSSIA THE RIGHT TO INVADE ANOTHER COUNTRY.
NATO is no treat to anyone who behaves themselves.
Bill Browder is one of the few that seems to really understand Putin. I have been following Russian geopolitics for 20 years. This ambassador really seems not to understand the psychology of the main actors of this conflict, I am not impressed. Russians are scared of NATO because their dictator has been telling them to do so for the last 15 years. He removed armed forces from Finland border, he knows perfectly that NATO is a defence organization, and he is playing with that against the West. Bill Browder is a very knowledgeable character in this conflict, thanks for his effort.
Putin's money stretches far.
As a Russian I absolutely agree with Bill's analysis.
Great understanding of Putin's mindset and real motivation.
The diplomacy between Europe, USA and Russia was extremely provocative. Especially in 2021.
Ukraine played a big part in it.
The invasion would have been very easy to avoid.
l totally agree with Bill Browder. l hope that Farage has not been listening to Trump who is pro-Russian and anti-west. Also, it does not damage his campaign.
Listen to Bill Broder!
Clearly Ukraine does not blame the West for any of this. We should ask them, not make stuff up or believe pukin's nonsense.
Negotiating with Putin? When has Putin ever negotiated with "the West" in good faith?
Europe keeps rolling over for US and Russia. It needs to cultivate a sense of itself as a power, although this seems unlikely with all our politicians skulking off to do deals with US corporations and Russian oligarchs at the first opportunity. I worry about Little Britain as I don't think we have anything left to sell off.
It was considered by Putin to be provocative. I'm not saying he was correct: it's just the way his mind worked. He was scared he'd lose all his control! All Mr Farage did was say How Putin thought - not that his thinking was correct.
What have they got on him , after 8 years in Moscow ... some visits to " nightflight " etc ?
Typical diplomat, cowardice and no will to fight. It sickens me to hear these people who don’t understand Putin will not negotiate and never has and would not abide by any agreements he made. Browder as usual is spot on and should be listened to.
Agree.
Nobody can get the troIIs out as Bill Browder. I hope the Times Radio will do something about the Russian propaganda here.
totally agree, shame on Britain that they could ever appoint such a "man"
Absolutely agree.
Browder spouts the ususal mis-info and down right proovable lies.
"NATO is a purely defensive Organisation" - just go and ask civilians in Serbis, Libya and Syria !!
Russia's actions made worse by their lies to Ukraine after making the 1994 Trilateral Statement
Ukraine agreed to transfer its nuclear warheads to Russia and accepted U.S. assistance in dismantling missiles, bombers, and nuclear infrastructure.
They got repaid by Russia in treachery with invasion by the very people who were supposed to be guaranteeing their safety. NEVER TRUST A RUSSIAN.
The Russian apologist fails to recognize several key points, including 1) if Russia is so worried about NATO, then why have they emptied their military bases along the NATO border? They've moved all their kit to Ukraine . They clearly know that NATO will never invade Russia unless Russia attacks them first.
2) Surrendering to Putler will NOT result in peace, but instead will allow Putler to recover and then continue the war on some lame pretext like he did in February 2022.
Its only western politicians and talkshow queens who talk about Putn beeing threatened by NATOs expansion. Putin doesnt talk abou it. He will come up with every excuse to do whatever comes to his sick mind.
Excellent point. If NATO were looking for an excuse and opportunity to attack Russia, that would be it. Yet crickets from NATO in that regard.
I agree. 👍
I think it’s a little more nuanced, the Russians appear to fear Ukraine joining NATO but not say Finland. So there is another conversation going on inside Moscow other than the direct threat of NATO. So NATO didn’t provoke this, this is purely a Russian projection. They fear a democratic Ukraine doing well inside the western “umbrella”.
What a punk of a lot 🥴
Putin has notoriously ignored peace treaties. The Budapest Memorandum is ironic here. Under the agreement, the signatories (Russia, Britain, USA) offered Ukraine "security assurances" in exchange for its adherence to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and for Ukraine to surrender the Soviet era Nukes on their soil).
Ukraine had about 1,740 nukes, the third most powerful nuclear power in the world. Since Ukraine's territorial integrity has not been protected as promised, shouldn't they have their nukes back? I wonder if russia would have invaded Crimea and the rest if Ukraine still had those 1,740 nukes?
@@larsrons7937 Ukraine never had any nukes - stop spreading this garbage !!!!
"assurances" is not "guarantees", that agreement was crafted to get the nuke out of Ukraine, memorandum you all talking about was crafted to lure Ukraine thinking they are guaranteed safety. There is extensive paper on "weekiliks" about the memorandum and how your signature country's manipulated decisions of Ukranians to sign the deal with no guarantees.