Ho ho! I have always enjoyed this version...even with the soundtrack and all. I get very excited when I see you have posted a video! You're very informative and entertaining!
I honestly like it too. I like the one from the 2000s as well, but I enjoy this one for what it is, and I think the 2000s one borrowed a lot from it - including the dream sequences, which I like better in the '87 version.
The trays they were carrying in the bath were not food and drink. They were flowers and spices intended to mitigate the smell of so many not-well-washed bodies and rented bating costumes soaking in the same hot water.
I loved Tilney , the music and the Bathing scene. The gothic element is perfect, after all, it was the height of gothic novels. I grew up in the 80s so maybe that's why I can appreciate this film more. I think it is a very good adaptation. Quirky and weird acting? Absolutely. Love it anyway.
the 87 is questionable at best, but i kind of love it in a 'idk what the hell i'm watching' way. at least everyone is wearing a hat! even in the bath scene, where you might expect creative choice to be women with loose languid flowing hair, they ALL have their hair up and covered! hats off to the hat department haha. and if you trimmed some of the ott feathers away, there's quite a few actually gorgeous bonnets in there that i'd happily wear myself 👀
I liked them including a Minuet (if it was a Minuet, couldn't hear or see for sure). The Minuet was advertised by Dancing Masters throughout the Regency, and included in the Assembly Rules throughout too. I think it was the geath of George III that ended it. Mr King MC in NA actually existed in Bath, and his rules 1787 that Jane would have known mentioned the Minuet... Okay, that related to the Ballroom Minuet, but the step also found its way into Country Dances too, and... okay, the Minuet was out of fashion post French Rev and rarely danced - but the opportunity did exist.
The minuet being danced post-1800 really depended on location. Bath was an outlier for still having them, thanks to the older population that flocked to the health spa. There are very few mentions of it from what I've read from the 1810s, though dancing masters wanted to keep it alive because it took so long to learn (the couples dance, I mean). Having to wear side hoops was a major impediment to ladies wanting to actually dance it...
@@teawithcassiane8431 Thanks for replying....yep agree with all that, but for the time setting of Northanger Abbey (not being strictly Regency) and Austen’s specific mention of Mr King (and his rules for dancing the Minuet in Bath), it was okay to put a Minuet in...and so much a better thought process gone into the dancing scenes than many other versions.
Indeed. I'm sorry if it wasn't clear that I was agreeing with you. But yes, they definitely were still a thing in Bath. I was just kind of musing that Bath was one of the few places we know about for sure because of records. It's interesting doing dance research because there's so much we don't know, and we have exceptions to almost every trend and rule. The more I dive into things the more I just want to make everything one big caveat. But again, I totally agree that a Minuet is appropriate for NA. Since making this video I have even found evidence of minuet country dances still used by Wilson in the 1810s, though it's difficult to say if they were common, considering his are the only ones I've found thus far.
? Why didn't the English nobility adopt the Polonaise and Mazurka dances as the Russian Court did? ...keeping in mind the high tone of these dances and the frequent and ready contact with Saint Petersburg (Duke Devonshire) , and all that...............
We do have evidence of the polonaise in the 1810s and the mazurka in the 1820s in England among the Aristocracy, but Austen is writing about the gentry, which is why I don't mention it in this series. I will be talking about it a little in an upcoming series about Bridgerton. One thing to remember is that the English were very conservative about dancing. They were a few decades behind in adopting the waltz compared to the Continent as well.
YOOOOO i just watched this for only the second time on a drunken whim because i remembered it being batshit. The Amazon Prime blurb calls it a "disturbingly surreal interpretation" And tbh that's on point and i weirdly liked a lot of it. Not all of it. Could have done without all the close ups. And the creepy staring. And peter firth rolling his r's and swanning around like a fop. BUT OTHER THAN THAT this is hilarious 80's goth fun in a big big way. Its like "why make an Austen Adaptation that's shot like a An Adam Ant music video? Why not?"
@@teawithcassiane8431 yeah. The story regarding Catherine and Isabella being particular friends especially suffered. Partly because they have almost no interaction before we're thrown into scenes of them being very intimate with their friendship and partly because Isabella, whether because of the actress being made up to look a bit like an evil antique doll or simply by virtue of lack of nuance, is so obviously a huge fraud.
Maybe I understood something wrong - but what's your problem with a menuet? Kattfuß mentions the menuet in 1800 as the most dificult and most elegant dance which everybody has to learn. But I can't remember to have ever used the pass de menuet for such a dance as it is visible here.
How kind of you to credit our Treasurer, Paul Cooper! Paul has done an immense amount of research into dances of the Regency era. As you point out, many of these Austen adaptations are products of their time, so it is easy to criticise with more informed hindsight. Peter Firth who plays Henry Tilney (no relation to Colin) was quite a star at that time, along with other popular actors like Robert Hardy and Googie Withers. The bathing scene is in the novel and does accurately show bathing in the Kings Bath, along with the bathing gowns and trays of sweet meats. The attempt to show a Cotillion dance is also laudable. Minuets were still danced at that period, but mainly to open a ball. Although l have some reservations about this 1987 adaptation, it could have been a lot worse.
I rely heavily on Paul's research to put these videos together, and I especially wanted people to see the wonderful work he's done on Cotillions and Quadrilles! A lot of people have researched Quadrilles, but there's comparitively little on Cotillions, especially in England in Jane Austen's lifetime (I found more Colonial American sources than anything else). The fact that he just published an essay on a 1799 Cotillion Ball was serendipitous!
That's pretty much what I've heard about the minuet as well. Still a couples dance to open the ball, but not for county dances. From what I learned from asking around from ECD scholars, there were never that many county dance minuets, and they had disappeared entirely by halfway through the 18th C - long before Austen started dancing.
I'm enjoying all these videos, but I have to totally disagree on this one. I did hate the music and the noise and that gothic lady. But I like Catherine and Tinley. I thought they played their parts very well. This book is Jane Austen's wittiest book. And this movie missed that entirely. When I watched it I thought they need to remake this one. But I don't like the 2007 version either. It made Katherine look like somebody she wasn't. And of course they inserted some immorality.
OMG you leaned HARD into the gothic obsession of the 1987 Northanger Abbey! I. LOVE. IT.
Ho ho! I have always enjoyed this version...even with the soundtrack and all. I get very excited when I see you have posted a video! You're very informative and entertaining!
I honestly like it too. I like the one from the 2000s as well, but I enjoy this one for what it is, and I think the 2000s one borrowed a lot from it - including the dream sequences, which I like better in the '87 version.
Please do a video on dance slippers vs. everyday footwear.
The trays they were carrying in the bath were not food and drink. They were flowers and spices intended to mitigate the smell of so many not-well-washed bodies and rented bating costumes soaking in the same hot water.
Hi ! I loved your videos. When are we going to have more? I'm waiting for the review of Northanger Abbey 2007.
I loved Tilney , the music and the Bathing scene. The gothic element is perfect, after all, it was the height of gothic novels. I grew up in the 80s so maybe that's why I can appreciate this film more. I think it is a very good adaptation. Quirky and weird acting? Absolutely. Love it anyway.
the 87 is questionable at best, but i kind of love it in a 'idk what the hell i'm watching' way. at least everyone is wearing a hat! even in the bath scene, where you might expect creative choice to be women with loose languid flowing hair, they ALL have their hair up and covered! hats off to the hat department haha. and if you trimmed some of the ott feathers away, there's quite a few actually gorgeous bonnets in there that i'd happily wear myself 👀
I liked them including a Minuet (if it was a Minuet, couldn't hear or see for sure). The Minuet was advertised by Dancing Masters throughout the Regency, and included in the Assembly Rules throughout too. I think it was the geath of George III that ended it. Mr King MC in NA actually existed in Bath, and his rules 1787 that Jane would have known mentioned the Minuet...
Okay, that related to the Ballroom Minuet, but the step also found its way into Country Dances too, and...
okay, the Minuet was out of fashion post French Rev and rarely danced - but the opportunity did exist.
You can't see their feet, but I strongly suspect it's a minuet step based on the rhythm and the plié
And yeah, George IV got rid of the minuet, but even when he was Regent, the Queen still insisted on them. It's a REALLY interesting rabbit hole!
The minuet being danced post-1800 really depended on location. Bath was an outlier for still having them, thanks to the older population that flocked to the health spa. There are very few mentions of it from what I've read from the 1810s, though dancing masters wanted to keep it alive because it took so long to learn (the couples dance, I mean). Having to wear side hoops was a major impediment to ladies wanting to actually dance it...
@@teawithcassiane8431 Thanks for replying....yep agree with all that, but for the time setting of Northanger Abbey (not being strictly Regency) and Austen’s specific mention of Mr King (and his rules for dancing the Minuet in Bath), it was okay to put a Minuet in...and so much a better thought process gone into the dancing scenes than many other versions.
Indeed. I'm sorry if it wasn't clear that I was agreeing with you. But yes, they definitely were still a thing in Bath. I was just kind of musing that Bath was one of the few places we know about for sure because of records. It's interesting doing dance research because there's so much we don't know, and we have exceptions to almost every trend and rule. The more I dive into things the more I just want to make everything one big caveat.
But again, I totally agree that a Minuet is appropriate for NA. Since making this video I have even found evidence of minuet country dances still used by Wilson in the 1810s, though it's difficult to say if they were common, considering his are the only ones I've found thus far.
? Why didn't the English nobility adopt the Polonaise and Mazurka dances as the Russian Court did? ...keeping in mind the high tone of these dances and the frequent and ready contact with Saint Petersburg (Duke Devonshire) , and all that...............
We do have evidence of the polonaise in the 1810s and the mazurka in the 1820s in England among the Aristocracy, but Austen is writing about the gentry, which is why I don't mention it in this series. I will be talking about it a little in an upcoming series about Bridgerton.
One thing to remember is that the English were very conservative about dancing. They were a few decades behind in adopting the waltz compared to the Continent as well.
They eventually, in Victorian period ,did both.
YOOOOO i just watched this for only the second time on a drunken whim because i remembered it being batshit. The Amazon Prime blurb calls it a "disturbingly surreal interpretation" And tbh that's on point and i weirdly liked a lot of it. Not all of it. Could have done without all the close ups. And the creepy staring. And peter firth rolling his r's and swanning around like a fop.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT this is hilarious 80's goth fun in a big big way. Its like "why make an Austen Adaptation that's shot like a
An Adam Ant music video? Why not?"
It's so funny! I love when it's trying to be stylized, but the normal bits are kinda flat...
@@teawithcassiane8431 yeah. The story regarding Catherine and Isabella being particular friends especially suffered. Partly because they have almost no interaction before we're thrown into scenes of them being very intimate with their friendship and partly because Isabella, whether because of the actress being made up to look a bit like an evil antique doll or simply by virtue of lack of nuance, is so obviously a huge fraud.
Maybe I understood something wrong - but what's your problem with a menuet? Kattfuß mentions the menuet in 1800 as the most dificult and most elegant dance which everybody has to learn. But I can't remember to have ever used the pass de menuet for such a dance as it is visible here.
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there are 2 yoga classes in your playlist ....
How kind of you to credit our Treasurer, Paul Cooper!
Paul has done an immense amount of research into dances of the Regency era.
As you point out, many of these Austen adaptations are products of their time, so it is easy to criticise with more informed hindsight.
Peter Firth who plays Henry Tilney (no relation to Colin) was quite a star at that time, along with other popular actors like Robert Hardy and Googie Withers.
The bathing scene is in the novel and does accurately show bathing in the Kings Bath, along with the bathing gowns and trays of sweet meats. The attempt to show a Cotillion dance is also laudable. Minuets were still danced at that period, but mainly to open a ball. Although l have some reservations about this 1987 adaptation, it could have been a lot worse.
I rely heavily on Paul's research to put these videos together, and I especially wanted people to see the wonderful work he's done on Cotillions and Quadrilles! A lot of people have researched Quadrilles, but there's comparitively little on Cotillions, especially in England in Jane Austen's lifetime (I found more Colonial American sources than anything else). The fact that he just published an essay on a 1799 Cotillion Ball was serendipitous!
That's pretty much what I've heard about the minuet as well. Still a couples dance to open the ball, but not for county dances. From what I learned from asking around from ECD scholars, there were never that many county dance minuets, and they had disappeared entirely by halfway through the 18th C - long before Austen started dancing.
I'm enjoying all these videos, but I have to totally disagree on this one. I did hate the music and the noise and that gothic lady. But I like Catherine and Tinley. I thought they played their parts very well. This book is Jane Austen's wittiest book. And this movie missed that entirely. When I watched it I thought they need to remake this one. But I don't like the 2007 version either. It made Katherine look like somebody she wasn't. And of course they inserted some immorality.