Here is the link to the Modular PolyPhoenix: kegland.com.au/search?q=modular+polyphoenix&type=product&options%5Bprefix%5D=last&options%5Bunavailable_products%5D=last&sca_ref=4151121.mssqnLpUwk
But... You didn't distill rum with a plastic still though... Your still is made of stainless. Although, you did put that cool new plastic vapor management column on it😅 I think it's a very interesting idea, you definitely did a great job making the video, and that column is certainly very fun to watch work. Though I would like to mention just a few things. First of all, I wouldn't call myself a "plastic hater" but I do believe everyone should do their own thorough research before taking a risk... Radel aka PPSU was a new polymer for me personally, but after a good couple of hours looking over the full 68-page MSDS. I've come to the conclusion, that it is very thermally stable and among the most chemically resistant plastics/polymers I've ever researched💯 But I would like to cite page-34 table-29: "Chemical resistance of Radel PPSU by immersion" and mention I see things I don't particularly like. In the extended chemical resistance test some organic solvents did have a visible effect on the material🧐 www.solvay.com/sites/g/files/srpend221/files/2018-07/Radel-PPSU-Veradel-PESU-Acudel-PPSU-Design-Guide_EN.pdf 🤔 So personally, I will continue to not use plastics for any part of my spirits, specifically. Except instances of VERY short-term contact... Especially considering the fact that spirits are not purely ethanol and water... The heads can contain a multitude of organic solvents particularly acetaldehyde that can dissolve many polymers and tails can contain fusil oils and carboxylic acids that leech into plastics. But unfortunately, even the MSDS only checks how the materials physically look after a 7-day chemical immersion or 100k hours of heat cycling. There's also no testing how a combination of solvents, heat, and stress all combined for long periods of time will affect the material or the solvents that contact it. See, me personally... I'm more interested to see some MS/GC testing of a finished spirit made via PPSU column distillation to confirm if there's any amount of that polymer ending up in the final spirit both when the column is new as well as after extended use to get a better idea of its degradation over time. Because despite its GRAS status, I'd still rather not put any polymer into my body if I can help it. Especially with most plastics also containing trace amounts of PFAS in some manner as well these days...⚗🧪 In conclusion, do I think it's "safe"? 🤷♂ Probably... Honestly, I would need to see even more testing and data to come up with an actual firm conclusion on what I think about this Radel plastic... I'm not trying to push the limits of materials science and test new polymers in new ways on myself and others who receive my spirits as gifts. But I'm also not out here to push my beliefs onto others either. I'm just of the opinion that there's enough microplastics and PFAS/PFOA in all of us already which we had no control over at all, so given a choice I try not to contribute to the growing global problem of persistent bioaccumulative toxic stuff in everything😒 Still though, I am actually glad there's people like yourself out here pushing the limits of home distillation and in this case distillation technology in general. And I greatly appreciate you documenting it and sharing the process with the rest of us here on the internet 😄🙏 Lastly, I wanted to mention that prior to a spirit run it's beneficial to not make any cuts. Especially on rum! After hearing you say you cut some heads prior to the spirit run I wanted to inform you that those headsy organic compounds you likely cut out, can bring with them an increased likelihood of esterification and trans-esterification with their corresponding carboxylic acids during the final distillation to create a wider variety of other intense and delicious flavors. This is especially true in the case of rum containing dunder or muck because of the complex blend of carboxylic acids that's generally contained within the dunder or muck as well as the generally higher acidity distillation environment. It's a necessary part of the Fischer Esterification Equation, alcohols and aldehydes heated with carboxylic acids in an acidic environment as the catalyst will esterify into delicious flavors😋 I ❤🔥 ⚗ the alchemy of chemistry, distillation, and spirits creation 🧪🔬 All interests that will always have new things to learn and discover. I wish you the best of luck on your own personal journey to create spirits you enjoy. I believe the best spirits are made however the distiller enjoys distilling them, and drank however the drinker likes to drink them, as there's no true "one size fits all" in life. Shine on & keep chasing the craft fellow distiller! Feel free to contact me anytime to discuss distilling and related its sciences 😁 --🧿RuneShine, Michigan's Norse-Druid Alchemist🧪🥼🔬
Ive watched you and learned how to do hydroponics. Cool to see your doing some new stuff. Distilling is very interesting to me but seems very dangerous and is also illegal here. So watching you and others is me living vicariously. Thank you for that.
Very intriguing! I'm always skeptical of anything plastic when it comes to distillation, based on everything I've read on HD site, so I will let people smarter than me comment on the safety. From the vid, it looks like you kept your cuts sealed/covered? Recommendations from experienced folks (again from HD site) are to let them "air out" for 24 hrs, which allows volatiles to evaporate. Maybe a coffee filter & a rubber band to keep critters & dust out? I've been at this for 4 years, but always willing to learn new things.
I've just started to accumulate a few of these parts , liquid/vapour management section unit, the dimroth style reflux condenser extra connections, screw on parts and I'm about to pull the trigger on the complete column but I want to get another 2 sections higher first. The product is out of this world it's like the Meccano of the distillation world. Great video mate and a Big shout out to 'Kee' he's Da Man. Cheers from Aussie 👍🦘🍻🍻.
Since you're all up and up on your certifications / permits you should do an episode on how to make medical grade ethanol for using it like a cleanser or extracting essential oils from flowers/herbs/citrus. You can really kick up your gin / rum making.
Now that is an excellent video, not only showcasing keglands new offering but also a very good demonstration of using it to make rum, doing cuts and explaining what you were doing, what I don't really understand is how the plates loaded so well as I could not see a reflux condenser, the other thing is the "shotgun" condenser is actually a Liebig condenser, same but different
Honestly I don’t have an explanation for this. The whole system balanced perfectly. I was talking to the boys at Kegland about this and they were surprised too.
BRILLIANT Hoocho........A new channel to show your 3 stooges side and I love the name "all the gear and no idea'.....it shows really well. You should try comedy on your next channel. How many did you have before you started recording this one?
Thanks for showing a coupl'a runs through the plastic bits and simplified plates. Also, always nice to watch how others do things. Surprised the PC could knock it down, 'cuz it looks more like a Lyne arm than a tube 'n shell shotgun; your approach to water recirc is damn impressive (when you first walked us out I'd expected a rain barrel for watering tomatoes, but not THAT).
@@AllTheGear-NoIdea After reading a thread on HomeDistiller forums by a guy who was advocating more than three baffles in his shotgun I went down a research rabbit-hole of commercial ones & found a reddit comment suggesting baffles cut from cheap plastic board. I had some 1 1/2 inch copper, made it tad over 2 feet with 8 baffles, then during the sacrificial cleaning run I followed the old advice to wait 20 min extra before running water and (at least) one baffle started to melt. Worked great still after that - required much less water than DIY Leibig, but, so funny. (5 tubes inside, 20% off each baffle). That was years ago, of course.
Mecanno, oh boy that took me back to my youth! You know what they say: "the difference between men and boys is the price of their toys!" Great video, thank you. I was interested to see how you were going to load the bubble plates without a dephlegmator, but it just seemed to work.
This is really cool! I've only ever made wine.. people loved my Rhubarb wine, after fermentation and aging, right at bottling, I would add a few drops of strawberry syrup to give a hint of sweetness to the very dry wine. It was very tasty :). But, now I know why I like rum so much! I didn't know it was made from molasses lol. learn something new every day :). I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks hahaha :) can't wait for the next one!
Awesome video hooch. Starting my first rum in the near future. Your flip top jars... have you replaced the seals on them? If so where did you get the new seals ect
Those caps are confusing me do they bounce or is there a solder dot somewhere for them to sit on that provides the headspace for the vapour to escape up.
Top video. Thanks for that Mitchell. We are in the process of shooting videos on this still too but you have beaten us to the punch line. Keep up the good work!
Was going to buy a alco engine then i see this ... Down the rabbit hole i go haha . Awesome vid . Would you run a stripping run the same ? Like same amount of plates etc ?
I actually stripped using the alcoengine pot still. (No plates) So I’m yet to strip using this unit. The more plates the more you polish the spirit. (Less flavour) So start with a small amount of plates for the strip. You can always add more plates for the spirit run. But you can’t add back in flavour.
@@AllTheGear-NoIdea so I'm basically looking for a still to run bourbon and maybe some rum. Reckon these are the go over the alco engine? I've got the brewzilla 35L but will get the extension eventually
Due to temperature gradient and lack of mixing, sheer quantity of distillate. Smearing is almost non existent. I’m not worried. Even if it were a problem it would only effect about 50ML at each end of the cut. I much prefer the feedback of a parrot over preserving the 50 ml on each end of the cut.
Agree with OP here, parrots are basically all the same size - still boilers are not. Using one on your 20L turbo 500, yep probably not a good idea, but boiler charges this size they are useful to control process
Here is the link to the Modular PolyPhoenix:
kegland.com.au/search?q=modular+polyphoenix&type=product&options%5Bprefix%5D=last&options%5Bunavailable_products%5D=last&sca_ref=4151121.mssqnLpUwk
But... You didn't distill rum with a plastic still though... Your still is made of stainless. Although, you did put that cool new plastic vapor management column on it😅
I think it's a very interesting idea, you definitely did a great job making the video, and that column is certainly very fun to watch work. Though I would like to mention just a few things. First of all, I wouldn't call myself a "plastic hater" but I do believe everyone should do their own thorough research before taking a risk...
Radel aka PPSU was a new polymer for me personally, but after a good couple of hours looking over the full 68-page MSDS. I've come to the conclusion, that it is very thermally stable and among the most chemically resistant plastics/polymers I've ever researched💯
But I would like to cite page-34 table-29: "Chemical resistance of Radel PPSU by immersion" and mention I see things I don't particularly like. In the extended chemical resistance test some organic solvents did have a visible effect on the material🧐 www.solvay.com/sites/g/files/srpend221/files/2018-07/Radel-PPSU-Veradel-PESU-Acudel-PPSU-Design-Guide_EN.pdf 🤔
So personally, I will continue to not use plastics for any part of my spirits, specifically. Except instances of VERY short-term contact... Especially considering the fact that spirits are not purely ethanol and water... The heads can contain a multitude of organic solvents particularly acetaldehyde that can dissolve many polymers and tails can contain fusil oils and carboxylic acids that leech into plastics. But unfortunately, even the MSDS only checks how the materials physically look after a 7-day chemical immersion or 100k hours of heat cycling. There's also no testing how a combination of solvents, heat, and stress all combined for long periods of time will affect the material or the solvents that contact it. See, me personally... I'm more interested to see some MS/GC testing of a finished spirit made via PPSU column distillation to confirm if there's any amount of that polymer ending up in the final spirit both when the column is new as well as after extended use to get a better idea of its degradation over time. Because despite its GRAS status, I'd still rather not put any polymer into my body if I can help it. Especially with most plastics also containing trace amounts of PFAS in some manner as well these days...⚗🧪
In conclusion, do I think it's "safe"? 🤷♂ Probably...
Honestly, I would need to see even more testing and data to come up with an actual firm conclusion on what I think about this Radel plastic...
I'm not trying to push the limits of materials science and test new polymers in new ways on myself and others who receive my spirits as gifts.
But I'm also not out here to push my beliefs onto others either. I'm just of the opinion that there's enough microplastics and PFAS/PFOA in all of us already which we had no control over at all, so given a choice I try not to contribute to the growing global problem of persistent bioaccumulative toxic stuff in everything😒
Still though, I am actually glad there's people like yourself out here pushing the limits of home distillation and in this case distillation technology in general. And I greatly appreciate you documenting it and sharing the process with the rest of us here on the internet 😄🙏
Lastly, I wanted to mention that prior to a spirit run it's beneficial to not make any cuts. Especially on rum! After hearing you say you cut some heads prior to the spirit run I wanted to inform you that those headsy organic compounds you likely cut out, can bring with them an increased likelihood of esterification and trans-esterification with their corresponding carboxylic acids during the final distillation to create a wider variety of other intense and delicious flavors. This is especially true in the case of rum containing dunder or muck because of the complex blend of carboxylic acids that's generally contained within the dunder or muck as well as the generally higher acidity distillation environment. It's a necessary part of the Fischer Esterification Equation, alcohols and aldehydes heated with carboxylic acids in an acidic environment as the catalyst will esterify into delicious flavors😋
I ❤🔥 ⚗ the alchemy of chemistry, distillation, and spirits creation 🧪🔬
All interests that will always have new things to learn and discover. I wish you the best of luck on your own personal journey to create spirits you enjoy. I believe the best spirits are made however the distiller enjoys distilling them, and drank however the drinker likes to drink them, as there's no true "one size fits all" in life. Shine on & keep chasing the craft fellow distiller! Feel free to contact me anytime to discuss distilling and related its sciences 😁
--🧿RuneShine, Michigan's Norse-Druid Alchemist🧪🥼🔬
Ive watched you and learned how to do hydroponics. Cool to see your doing some new stuff. Distilling is very interesting to me but seems very dangerous and is also illegal here. So watching you and others is me living vicariously. Thank you for that.
You rock brother. Keep up the great work! I’m constantly inspired by all of your videos! Keep it up Champion!
Very intriguing! I'm always skeptical of anything plastic when it comes to distillation, based on everything I've read on HD site, so I will let people smarter than me comment on the safety.
From the vid, it looks like you kept your cuts sealed/covered? Recommendations from experienced folks (again from HD site) are to let them "air out" for 24 hrs, which allows volatiles to evaporate. Maybe a coffee filter & a rubber band to keep critters & dust out?
I've been at this for 4 years, but always willing to learn new things.
Awesome video! Loved it and looking forward to the next one on rum👍🏼
I've just started to accumulate a few of these parts , liquid/vapour management section unit, the dimroth style reflux condenser extra connections, screw on parts and I'm about to pull the trigger on the complete column but I want to get another 2 sections higher first. The product is out of this world it's like the Meccano of the distillation world. Great video mate and a Big shout out to 'Kee' he's Da Man. Cheers from Aussie 👍🦘🍻🍻.
It’s an absolute unit. 👌🏻
Since you're all up and up on your certifications / permits you should do an episode on how to make medical grade ethanol for using it like a cleanser or extracting essential oils from flowers/herbs/citrus. You can really kick up your gin / rum making.
Now that is an excellent video, not only showcasing keglands new offering but also a very good demonstration of using it to make rum, doing cuts and explaining what you were doing, what I don't really understand is how the plates loaded so well as I could not see a reflux condenser, the other thing is the "shotgun" condenser is actually a Liebig condenser, same but different
Honestly I don’t have an explanation for this. The whole system balanced perfectly.
I was talking to the boys at Kegland about this and they were surprised too.
BRILLIANT Hoocho........A new channel to show your 3 stooges side and I love the name "all the gear and no idea'.....it shows really well. You should try comedy on your next channel. How many did you have before you started recording this one?
Thanks for showing a coupl'a runs through the plastic bits and simplified plates. Also, always nice to watch how others do things. Surprised the PC could knock it down, 'cuz it looks more like a Lyne arm than a tube 'n shell shotgun; your approach to water recirc is damn impressive (when you first walked us out I'd expected a rain barrel for watering tomatoes, but not THAT).
Yeah I should have called it a Liebig condenser since it only has one internal.
I’ll correct myself in future videos 😂👌🏻
@@AllTheGear-NoIdea After reading a thread on HomeDistiller forums by a guy who was advocating more than three baffles in his shotgun I went down a research rabbit-hole of commercial ones & found a reddit comment suggesting baffles cut from cheap plastic board. I had some 1 1/2 inch copper, made it tad over 2 feet with 8 baffles, then during the sacrificial cleaning run I followed the old advice to wait 20 min extra before running water and (at least) one baffle started to melt. Worked great still after that - required much less water than DIY Leibig, but, so funny. (5 tubes inside, 20% off each baffle). That was years ago, of course.
Mecanno, oh boy that took me back to my youth! You know what they say: "the difference between men and boys is the price of their toys!" Great video, thank you. I was interested to see how you were going to load the bubble plates without a dephlegmator, but it just seemed to work.
Love that saying, I’ll borrow that if you don’t mind! Haha
The power range that these bubble plates can tolerate and balance at is mind blowing.
🤯
You should take a sample and have it tested for micro plastic and forever chemicals.
Hey Mate, you enjoy your work way too much.😋😋😋
We both have very loose definitions of work.
Super cool video, love the innovation from KEGLAND
We need to see Beaver videos back more often.
Cool video mate!
This is really cool! I've only ever made wine.. people loved my Rhubarb wine, after fermentation and aging, right at bottling, I would add a few drops of strawberry syrup to give a hint of sweetness to the very dry wine. It was very tasty :). But, now I know why I like rum so much! I didn't know it was made from molasses lol. learn something new every day :). I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks hahaha :) can't wait for the next one!
What's your thoughts on adding the hammerhead condenser? Do you see much benefit?
Can you add a pre-condenser to that to make it relux more? Sorry probably not what its called.. lol
Awesome video hooch. Starting my first rum in the near future. Your flip top jars... have you replaced the seals on them? If so where did you get the new seals ect
They’re all brand new, just from big w. Haven’t replaced yet sorry mate.
Those caps are confusing me do they bounce or is there a solder dot somewhere for them to sit on that provides the headspace for the vapour to escape up.
Top video. Thanks for that Mitchell. We are in the process of shooting videos on this still too but you have beaten us to the punch line. Keep up the good work!
Thats pretty cool Mitch i sort of got the impression while filling your jars uuummm you may have been lacking a little ventilation lolololol
😂🤣 I think the problem was one of excess
@AllTheGear-NoIdea lololololol it certainly appeared that way lolololol you looked like you were almost floating
In todays video: how to make fuel for an RC car :P
Was going to buy a alco engine then i see this ... Down the rabbit hole i go haha . Awesome vid .
Would you run a stripping run the same ? Like same amount of plates etc ?
I actually stripped using the alcoengine pot still. (No plates)
So I’m yet to strip using this unit.
The more plates the more you polish the spirit. (Less flavour)
So start with a small amount of plates for the strip.
You can always add more plates for the spirit run. But you can’t add back in flavour.
@@AllTheGear-NoIdea so I'm basically looking for a still to run bourbon and maybe some rum. Reckon these are the go over the alco engine? I've got the brewzilla 35L but will get the extension eventually
why no dephlegmator to control the amount of reflux so you get a consistent output? which would be more efficient and consistent
I’ve got one one coming 👌🏻
@@AllTheGear-NoIdea nice.. great series, am looking at registering a small distillery in Qld from home so well done.
I was wondering about this 😅
3500w 60l heat up was quick??? 50l takes about hour to produce far from quick
It only had 30L of liquid in it mate.
Using a parrot for the spirit run is a mistake.
Due to temperature gradient and lack of mixing, sheer quantity of distillate. Smearing is almost non existent. I’m not worried.
Even if it were a problem it would only effect about 50ML at each end of the cut.
I much prefer the feedback of a parrot over preserving the 50 ml on each end of the cut.
Agree with OP here, parrots are basically all the same size - still boilers are not. Using one on your 20L turbo 500, yep probably not a good idea, but boiler charges this size they are useful to control process
@@s2561828 Boiler size is the key differentiator.
Ooooooo
Cheers for your help mate!
Mmmmm Rum...
plastic still.... no thanks!
Plastic bad. Copper stainless glass only please stay safe
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