Two living human persons enter the doctor's office. One leaves after her appointment. The other one is dead and abandoned. How is this "health care". ???!!!???
"Because it's not a human being! Quit bringing your religion into politics!" -The science denier Since everyone is incapable of reading: I am mocking the people who say that, not actually advocating for it.
@@IsaiahINRI if it isn't a human being, then "what" would you say "it" IS? And this has nothing to do with religion. I am just "following the science." President Biden says that is what people should do. "
Agreed, Emperor Vespasian. How does one take care of oneself in that manner without some kind of sexual thought? It happens. Most dudes have done it. In fact, if a dude has never done it, there may be something wrong with his functioning. But that doesn't mean it's good. That doesn't mean we should all go home and do it. We need to acknowledge that for some people, it can be a hard sin to shake, but there is an ocean of God's Mercy. I suspect that some degree of sin is inevitable. The first narrative of Adam and Eve is their fall. As soon as Noah and his family is saved, they start goofin' around. As soon as Israel received part of the Law on Sinai, they build a golden calf and have a wild party. That's just me.
I guess those solo scripture folks forgot about the part where God killed Onan for spilling his seed, (Genesis 38:9) Masturbation = the sin of Onan; aka. Onanism
@jz1528 apparently you do not understand yourself bible. Onnanism may be called masterbation in your world but is not masterbation. Onnan married his brothers childless wife as was the custom of the day so she would not be left without a bloodline. He committed the sexual act with his wife but didn't want to impregnate her and so pulled out and spilt his seed on the ground. God punished him for that act. He did not pleasure himself. Honestly...get out of your human traditions and read the bible for yourself. You may learn something.
@@jz1528 To be fair, I recall Onan’s sin also (EDIT: potentially) being an act of “r*pe by deception”, seeing how he seemingly took advantage of Tamar and had her consent under the false pretense that he would try to conceive an heir for her. So while I am not justifying the act in question, I find it a false equivalency to compare the typical act of it to the severity of what Onan did.
This is one of the reasons I became Catholic, from being a SBC Baptist. The contraception issue and the waiver on abortion... at the beginning of the 20th century all major Christian denominations opposed both. By the middle of the century, only the Church had not changed her teaching on these things.
You became Catholic because they didn't change their stance on abortion? Why not come out of the church because it changed it's stance on lots of other things. Sorry that humans are flawed but that's exactly why we don't want to trust the Catholic churches teachings.
When Protestants say that contraceptives are okay, they are admittedly saying “sex is for pleasure, go enjoy yourself.” They are no better than the spirit of the age.
Protestants are much more likely to bow to cultural demands rather than stay strong. We see this with gay marriage and transgender ideology which has unfortunately affected those churches
Mike winger and alan parr are so backwards and anti catholic they need our prayers! So many protestant brothers and sisters are brainwashed about the catholic faith. They need to take off the blinders off to see the truth!
as a Catholic, i apologise for any Catholics being plain mean in their critique. Trent’s not doing that but the comments get heated and uncharitable at times.
@@alwaysrootingfortheantihero123 he's bringing up the past, so I will, too. While I am disgusted by some protestants of the past on their liberal stance on abortion, I still remember why the reformation happened, and I was raised a Catholic.
When I consider why I am a Catholic now, it occurs to me that Catholic Answers was a main driving force. Now even in 2009, Catholic Answers was largely made of Protestant converts addressing other Protestants. And they were addressing not only Protestant objections, but they addressed them using the main Protestant point: that salvation is indeed from Jesus Christ, that His death on the cross saves us, that it is sufficient for salvation, and that nothing else can effect what His sacrifice did. It occurred to me that, although these points are properly Catholic, I do in a way owe Protestants a debt of gratitude for continuing to thump that message. We Catholics need to remember that core of the fullness of truth. And I'm grateful for Catholic apologists who know that core of Christianity who brought it with them and continue to orient their apologetics on putting our teaching in that context. It is needed to wake up cradle Catholics to why we do what we do.
@@HolyKhaaaaan I have been very grateful that my Catholic mom taught me about Jesus, but she didn't teach me the gospel, because no one taught it to her. I have listened to priests on youtube who did teach the gospel, and I got excited, and tried to steer Catholics I knew to listen to those priests (Father Cedric is one, Bishop Barron). I even thought about going back to Catholicism at one point, just to try to stir up excitement about just what Jesus did for us, and the beauty of the scriptures without embellishment by the traditions of men. It's like Catholics walk around, not all of them, but most of them, in a coma. No joy, no enthusiasm, because they just don't get what happened 2000 years ago, and the significance of it!!! I remember a girl that I met, at the church that woke me up to the meaning of the Gospel, while we were sharing the fact that we grew up in the Catholic church, that her mom was different. She said her mom always cried at mass. I never saw anyone that moved during my childhood, at least not that I remember. Not saying any of this to put anyone down, or to lift myself up. Just stating why I left the RNC, and why I have no nudge or urge to go back.
Also, those examples don't even make sense. Abortion literally ends pregnancy, or you want them to say it gives life? But with slavery since when was it a job?
@@TheCounselofTrent Hello Trent. We would love to have you visit Australia! The Archdiocese of Sydney would be a great place to start. Thank you for your service to the Faith. Pax
@@TheCounselofTrent doctrinal authority?? Come on… you are being DISHONEST with your whole premise…. Even the book Common Sense explains how Popist are doctrinally incoherent and it was it Catholics that took the God and the Bible out of public schools. The reason: the added 7 books… proving that the added 7 uninspired books divided the nation. It was Catholics that cracked the walls of this nation. Peter is one of the foundations of New Jerusalem… not the firs, just one of the stones like the Bible says… (By the way, who is the 12 apostle named on the foundation of New Jerusalem? Paul or Matthias?) Read the Bible, it says the Catholics have a doctrine of demons with unmarried church leaders and abstaining from foods? 1 Timothy 4:1-4. Read that eating Jesus is satanic according to God’s word?? Hebrews 13:7-16 Readthat Sola Scriptura is taught in the bible? And not the traditions of men which void the word of God? The number of verses is too great to list. I can if you need them. Plus, you want the Bible to say only God’s Word in the English of today. Well it says it wording that is contemporaneous with when it was written. DISHONEST you…. Do you say that talking to little gods is idolatry??? Luke 20:36 HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO SAY WHAT YOU SAY??
@@TheCounselofTrent doctrinal authority?? Come on… you are being DISHONEST with your whole premise…. Even the book Common Sense explains how Popist are doctrinally incoherent and it was it Catholics that took the God and the Bible out of public schools. The reason: the added 7 books… proving that the added 7 uninspired books divided the nation. It was Catholics that cracked the walls of this nation. Peter is one of the foundations of New Jerusalem… not the firs, just one of the stones like the Bible says… (By the way, who is the 12 apostle named on the foundation of New Jerusalem? Paul or Matthias?) Read the Bible, it says the Catholics have a doctrine of demons with unmarried church leaders and abstaining from foods? 1 Timothy 4:1-4. Read that eating Jesus is satanic according to God’s word?? Hebrews 13:7-16 Readthat Sola Scriptura is taught in the bible? And not the traditions of men which void the word of God? The number of verses is too great to list. I can if you need them. Plus, you want the Bible to say only God’s Word in the English of today. Well it says it wording that is contemporaneous with when it was written. DISHONEST you…. Do you say that talking to little gods is idolatry??? Luke 20:36 HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO SAY WHAT YOU SAY??
doctrinal authority?? Come on… you are being DISHONEST with your whole premise…. Even the book Common Sense explains how Popist are doctrinally incoherent and it was it Catholics that took the God and the Bible out of public schools. The reason: the added 7 books… proving that the added 7 uninspired books divided the nation. It was Catholics that cracked the walls of this nation. Peter is one of the foundations of New Jerusalem… not the firs, just one of the stones like the Bible says… (By the way, who is the 12 apostle named on the foundation of New Jerusalem? Paul or Matthias?) Read the Bible, it says the Catholics have a doctrine of demons with unmarried church leaders and abstaining from foods? 1 Timothy 4:1-4. Read that eating Jesus is satanic according to God’s word?? Hebrews 13:7-16 Readthat Sola Scriptura is taught in the bible? And not the traditions of men which void the word of God? The number of verses is too great to list. I can if you need them. Plus, you want the Bible to say only God’s Word in the English of today. Well it says it wording that is contemporaneous with when it was written. DISHONEST you…. Do you say that talking to little gods is idolatry??? Luke 20:36 HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO SAY WHAT YOU SAY??
I remember Rush Limbaugh making that case that it’s a historical anomaly that the GOP became pro-life, when the Democrat party was the more likely home. Even Jesse Jackson used to be pro-life! Wild how things change.
HugeLungs You can be pro-life without wanting to impose it on other people. Why would you think you have to right to make someone else's choice on their body for them, even if you believe it saves a life? There's already a living person now. One that can actually feel the pain of death. Some people want to prioritize the one that doesn't even know what life is because of their religious beliefs
@@Scoring57 Funny!😅 You know, the only reason they call abortion healthcare is so they can publicly fund the killing of poor people, right? Abortion is an elected procedure, period, one that ends the life of an innocent person. Who are you to tell me that I have to pay for the abortions of others? Why is that okay for you to impose on everyone?
@@Scoring57not really pro life then is it? Because you're saying that "I would never murder a person, but who am I to say that you can't do it?" It's ridiculous.
As I understand it, the 1980 election established the GOP as the pro-life party. In that primary, Bush was a pro-choice candidate who preached zero population growth. After Reagan won the nomination, Bush had to change his position before Reagan would accept him as VP. The Democrats went all in on pro-choice as a reaction to Reagan. Pro-life Democrats, like the Pennsylvania governor at that time (Casey?), became outsiders in their party very quickly.
How on earth can anyone say the Bible doesn't forbid masturbation? While the term itself doesn't appear, fornication, sins of the flesh, unchastity are all condemned. It's not all that difficult to apply one/all of those to masturbation.
As a former Prot who fell into this self-destructive behavior, and still struggles from it at times, I can say that it is largely because we make excuses. We don't WANT it to say that, so we pretend and twist the words of the Bible to suit our passions. Sin has a grip on us and we can't see it. I thank God that He showed me what I was doing. But now the battle is over the addiction that comes with it.y
@@IsaiahINRI As a lifelong Catholic, I had a different reason for being unable to make sense of that being a sin for so long. If I may elaborate below… To first cut to the chase, I might consider solo-ma$tUrb@tlon to be the equivalent to trying to satisfy your sweet-tooth cravings, by chomping on food made purely from a bunch of zero-calorie artificial sweeteners. It may outwardly have the same “taste” as marital intimacy’s sugar, but one is not giving themselves the actual substance being hungered for. The “taste” is just the intermediate step on the road to gratification, not the appetite’s endpoint and gratification itself. The problem I faced is that so many people from both the secular cultures and Christian cultures (including some Catholic spokesmen, unfortunately) were all mischaracterizing that appetite in the same way. I would define that appetite as “the yearning to initiate and continuously nourish a lifelong and potentially fruitful bond with a mate/spouse, through acts of s3xu@I intercourse”. However, all I saw was people basically characterizing it as “the desire for the high triggered by s3xu@I activity”. That was the equivalent to defining hunger as merely “the urge to chew on and swallow tasty things” rather than “the urge to nourish one’s body with water/nutrients/calories, through acts of eating and drinking”. Due to me having that misguided latter definition instilled in me, any assertion that solo-m@$tUrb@tlon itself could be a sin made God seem like a manipulative drug dealer. People get addicted to this metaphorical substance, then are told they must do something first before they can earn that high again. That is, despite the hypothetical “drug” being attached to one’s own body and, therefore, seemingly something the person should already rightfully own (like being paid in coins already inside your wallet). However, once I started picturing the 0rg@$m as the “taste of that gratifying substance” rather than “the gratifying substance” itself, everything started to make a lot more sense. This helped me to more easily see the bonding and procreative potential as the true s3xu@I gratification, rather than the conditions someone must meet first in order for one to be granted s3xu@I gratification.
After I read Casti Connubii, while studying to become a Protestant pastor, caused me to think that the Catholic Church is right. It then took me 17 years after reading it to actually enter the Catholic Church. But the reading of it left an Indelible mark on my soul. I entered the Catholic Church last year.
@@johnisaacfelipe6357 I have more than likely read morsels of them before entering the Church. I may have to go back and read the whole Encyclicals. I have delved into other Encyclicals as well.
@@zacharynelson5731 in your hometown you could have found many Protestant churches who strongly opposed abortion so that argument is specious. But your comment was only meant to be provocative anyway.
Thank you Trent. Realizing the inconsistency of Protestantism on these important issues was the catalyst for my conversion in 2017. I spent a lifetime in the evangelical church, now I’m so thankful to have found the one true Church.
All Christian denominations have made errors in the past. Catholicism is no exception. It has made some very significant errors throughout the ages. Protestantism I believe is currently united that abortion is wrong.
I gotta say... I am actually shocked and surprised by the positions of these huge Protestant denominations! Horrific. I am very thankful that my Protestant friends today are extremely pro-life, but it is yet more confirmation of why I am a Catholic. P.S. It really isn't funny but the 'WE CAN SMOKE CRACK!' comment by Alan Parr always cracks me up. No pun intended.
But the bible actually commands us to be sober minded so I would argue that actually no, we cannot smoke crack in good conscience, nor any other mind altering drug. That's obviously disregarding where we are told our bodies are a temple to God, and whatever we do,.do it for the glory of God. So on that basis, and more, I would argue that it is in fact sinful. We are told laziness is also a sin, so if we do something that is not productive, then it is arguably sinful by its nature of not being productive.
@@BornAgain223 you might actually just be the first modern Christians i have come across who condemn alcohol consumption. unless im wrong? hope you arent going to 'pull an Andrew Wilson' who exclude wheed from his mind altering list. 🙄
A few weeks ago, here in Brazil, they gave a pro-choice speech in a Protestant church and it was applauded. Pastors who are deputies also support it.Of course, you can't speak for everyone; Even the most voted deputy here is Protestant and takes a stand against all these ideologies. (It goes without saying that he is hated by the left) And the famous pastors who take a pro-life stance have such a bad reputation for being dishonest and hypocritical, that their support hinders more than it helps. The point is that each pastor says what he wants, manipulates the Bible to say what he wants. Protestant churches are sects.
Don't act like this problem is only with Protestant churches. There are so many clips of Catholic priests doing and supporting things that are reprehensible. It's a sin problem, not a protestant one. I come from a Baptist background, and not one church I have ever been to has supported abortion.
@@jacklaurentius6130 I think the problem is not just scripture, but the fact that people no longer see God objectively; For most people, God must adapt to them, it is God who has to agree with them and not them with God. And this happens regardless of the religion that person supposedly follows. Here in Brazil, Catholicism is cultural or what I call superstition, the number of practicing Catholics is small and you don't see the difference between a person who has no religion, an atheist and someone who says they are Catholic. Many Catholics go to Alan Kardec's spiritualist center (it's very popular here), they attend African religions (syncretism here is very strong) and if you say that God prohibits these types of things they will say that it doesn't matter because God is the same.
Yes, they are heretics, and will hear "I never knew you. Depart from Me you evil doers (Matt 7:23)." What is truly sad is that so many people are duped by their slick and false teachings and follow them to their eternal perdition. May God have mercy, open their eyes, and grant them understanding so that they may come to Your Church before it is too late. Amen!
yep, Leftie Big Brother pretending to define abortion as the termination of a "pregnancy." That's like killing me in my home being reported as the termination of a "residency." "Professor Joe's residency was terminated by a bomb at 3:00 yesterday afternoon, Google has reported."
Google and Planned Parenthood are in the same boat and both backed Hillary Clinton in 2016. Several Clinton Foundation people ended up joining TH-cam and Google.
The worst example I could think of this is when, about 7 years ago, there was a protest organized by the Archdiocese of Denver at the nearby Planned Parenthood, the biggest one west of the Mississippi River. The protest included Archbishop Aquila processing around the block with the Eucharist in a monstrance several times. And then some former Catholic decided this would be the perfect time to undermine what the Church was doing and start yelling at people saying the Catholic Church is false. It's really sad that some Protestants would rather have abortion in our country than---God forbid! ---work with Catholics to stop it.
@@mattc9764 The confessional Lutherans(e.g. LCMS, WELS, ELS) would say they are the only Lutherans in America. The liberal “Lutherans” like the other “mainline” denominations are dying out, they are on life support (which is a good thing). The Roman Catholic Church are the leaders on pro life issues. Sadly, that doesn’t always trickle down into laity. I saw a pew research poll on Catholics in America-not a lot of good news. What’s going on? The Trad Catholics are right. The Catholic Church has done a good job at promoting pro life as a whole. They’ve done an outstanding job. The Orthodox, Lutherans, etc., can follow the example Romans Catholic Church on pro-life issues.
@@P-el4zdThey mean eastern Catholics not Orthodox lol. Not all Catholics are Roman. Theres Byzantine Catholics, Syro-Malabar, Maronite, Roman, etc. Roman Catholic isn’t the official name of the church. The Latin Rite is just one of 23.
Consistent? You papists may be the greatest shape shifting church there is. Vatican 2 was literally a break with so much traditional understanding of doctrines and practices
That's the problem with schisms and refusal of submission. Either you are your own authority or you accept God as your authority. I am so glad of being a catholic
What do you do when your Popes go rogue? I've heard from many in the RCC that Francis' decision to bless homosexuals in so-called "marriages" has been a big splitter of an issue. He's not the first one to stir up a hornet's nest. Sometimes I think the only thing that holds the RCC together instead of it splitting is the fact that the clergy created a hierarchy that says, "If you don't agree with us, you're going straight to Hell, do not pass GO and not even any time in purgatory. In other words, fear. Protestants have an inherent and undeniably reasonable skepticism of how that can be used to abuse people and the Gospel, as we saw in the middle ages with Papal corruption, sale of indulgences and church offices, etc. Maybe a little healthy push back against the "because I said so" man-made authority would be a good move for the RCC!
@@sidwhiting665 Have you watched Pope Francis's clarification on the fiducia? He said that he doesn't allow for the blessing of homosexual marriages just the blessing of the homosexuals who are in these disordered unions, so that they may live lives pleasing to Christ which includes them ending their disordered unions.
Lmao, this is a fallacy and it's funny that Trent comments on this There are many catholics that believe different things, and Trent has rebutted them on this channel Why is there a false pretense on the unity of the Catholics whenever they criticizes the "protestant" chruch
I'm a Catholic myself, but I know someone simply identifying as a Catholic doesn't mean they're against abortion. The president of the United States claims to be Roman Catholic and his staunch support of abortion is one of his main talking points.
@@tafazziReadChannelDescription thats not true. You can be excommunicated ipso facto by factually being a heretic by declaring false teachings and not changing your ways after being corrected twice. It is arguable if this is the case with biden since he is no leader in faith but I would argue that his position is connected to enough power for him to fall into that cathegory. maybe @TheCounselofTrent could clarify
@@tafazziReadChannelDescription "a person who procures a successful abortion incurs an automatic (latae sententiae) excommunication." This means that at the very moment that the abortion is successfully accomplished, the woman and all formal conspirators are excommunicated. (Canon 1398 of the Law of the Church). For the excommunication to be lifted and the woman able to (a sign it is lifted) licitly receive Holy Communion again, first she would have to repent/formally confess the sin.
You have made an error in who set the churches doctrine. Jesus is in charge of the doctrine, not humans. The doctrine cannot change because God cannot change. Only our human understanding can change. We now have the ability to understand abortion because we now have the procedure!!! We couldn't know that before, abortion wasn't a thing yet. We can't understand a thing that doesn't exist to us. But God knows about abortion and everything else for ALL TIME. Meaning He didn't change, we changed.
@@ethanmiller5487they had abortion before the time of Jesus, not on the same scale obviously. It's mentioned in the OT and the Didache and other early Church teachings. They had potions and would perform surgical abortions or abandon unwanted newborns.
@@ethanmiller5487 wow. This argument would be bad no matter what, but the fact that you staked it on an obviously lie "we didn't have abortion before" makes it a complete farce. We had procedures for abortion in Jesus's day. They were extremely dangerous but they existed. And exposure is just post birth abortion. You should actually know what you are talking about before running your mouth
The clips about masturbation bring back long suppressed memories for myself. When I was about 12 or so and I first discovered masturbation, I felt guilty about it, and not being well educated in the Church, I looked online to see if it was sinful. Again I was not well educated, so I didn’t really understand the difference between Protestant and Catholic. I found some protestant sources that echoed this same talking point and this lead to wasted years of adolescence and a struggle against lust. I say this so that current and future parents can understand just how important spiritual education is. If you don’t teach morality to your kids, someone else will teach their twisted morality.
Humans seem to have a profound ability to invent new forms of deviancy. Sola scriptura promotes the idea that all one must due to escape the moral bounds of scripture is to act inventively in sin.
Sola Scriptura just means the Bible is the only infallible authority because it is God breathed . Seeing as every argument goes back to Scripture anyway, we all affirm it to some degree.
@@clivejungle6999The defining aspect of Sola Scriptura is the _Sola_ part. Catholics affirm the infallibility of Scripture. We just haven't declared, without any evidence at all, that it's the only infallible rule of faith.
@@BrewMeister27 There is nothing like Scripture, there is nothing that is on par with the Word of God. Why would the Church be infallible and therefore incapable of error? Subordinationism used to be universal orthodoxy. The sacraments weren’t fixed at 7 for 1000 years and the Papacy didn’t become infallible until the 1870s. Why are ecumenical councils called by a Roman Emperor (A secular leader) on par with the Word of God? They even used forgeries such as the letter to King Agbar at Nicaea II. That is infallible? A rigged Byzantine power struggle spearheaded by an eye gouging empress…
Obviously this isn't true since we can't relate all modern phenomenon to sacred scripture which often is unable to address modern issues for the sheer fact that they were present at that time.
The problem wasn't sola scriptura, pro-abortiom isn't a position you can arrive at sola scriptura, as the bible is clear on its stance on abortion. You want to debate Sola Scriptura, okay, let's hear it, but don't blame pro-abortionism on Sola Scriptura
@@dyzmadamachus9842 He means the "information label" YT unilaterally tacked onto Trent's video so we ignorant backward viewers would understand that abortion is just the termination of a pregnancy. (so we can all pretend it is not the termination of a human being)
@@sandstorm7768 They won't tell you because they don't want you to know. Their goal is to get people to stop asking questions and acquiesce to the new world order.
I never understood so much about sexual ethics and the dignity of humans life and all stages until I came out of the anti Catholic church I grew up in. This video deepens my understanding of the history behind so called Christian liberal stances on these subjects and further deepens my appreciation for the Catholic Church! Thank Trent!
My father and I classified as non-denominational protestant fundamentalists. My father lived the last 70 years of the 20th century, and now I'm almost 70. He stood against abortion. So have I. We reached this conclusion without the Roman Catholic Church, yet the RCC being pro-life has never turned me away from our position, nor hindered me from joining with Catholics politically on this issue.
Here in Scotland we have a political party called The Scottish Family Party. It's Leader and Deputy Leader are Evangelical Protestants. It's slogan is "Pro-Life, Pro-Marriage, Pro-Family". It is anti-abortion but in a video on TH-cam, the Deputy Leader made an exception of allowing abortion if the mother's life is in danger. Any exception is the thin end of the wedge.
did the LCMS change their view? from their website, their answer to the morality of abortion is, “The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod believes that abortion is contrary to God's Word and "is not a moral option, except as a tragically unavoidable byproduct of medical procedures necessary to prevent the death of another human being, viz., the mother" (1979 Res. 3-02A)”
Oh this video doesn't apply to us !! … Its impossible to catch them all. This isn't Pokémon!! Trent can't recite off every single particular protestant communities' position on every single topic. This is the very point of why Sola Scriptura is false!
@@benjaminshirley no i understand but i was just wondering whether the LCMS currently teaches abortion is ok. but i'm confused on how this makes Sola Scriptura false.
@@LukeBowman08I could be mistaken but I think the reasoning is that if you don't have a central authority for exegeting scripture, then you inevitably end up with a multitude of various views, the majority being wrong by simple probability, and no one having any authority over another to make a claim that they are right or someone else is wrong.
@@LukeBowman08 The many points made for Sola Scriptura being a false document are cumulative. Certainly, some have more weight than others. In this particular point, the inability to succulently present the positions of Protestantism(s) 'in toto' on any given position is its self a symptom of the unworkable structure of Sola Scriptura. How can we trust the 'truth' of a doctrine or moral teaching, if we must look within our private judgment to arrive at an answer? I grant we simply cannot. The protestant must hold onto this doubt of possibly erring in interpretation whenever they arrive at any particular position. The protestant accepts this or must claim the Holy Spirit is speaking to them correctly, in opposition to others. How are we to test this? By scripture alone?? This framework quickly becomes circular, and cannot be solved.
I’m glad I found your channel. Your moral, polite and you seem well educated. Nice to hear your perspective. Looking forward to more videos. Hope you could try to do a topic talking about at what point do people who justify immoral deeds against an unconscious person turns into them justifying it with anyone. Like that topic of that destiny guy for example.
@@DPK5201 who said he did? Perhaps, you have a problem with Western Civilization because it's an expression of the bio-spirit of Westernkind-White people.
Paul, when writing 1st Timothy, didn’t appeal to the church when giving reason for how a Christian ought to behave. At 12:49, Trent cites 1 Timothy 3:15 as proof, but it’s ironic because the verse is within the context of Paul writing Scripture! Paul writes SCRIPTURE so that the church of Ephesus knows what’s to do, he doesn’t just assume they do. The fact that the church needed guidance from Paul’s letters at all should be indication enough to show that Scripture is of higher authority. The church is the bulwark of the faith because the church has scripture which is from God.
That's what I was thinking! But I didn't feel like responding. I could hear that previous verse in my head so I looked it up and ya, i didnt think it made sense in this context.
The note from TH-cam says abortion is "a procedure to remove the pregnancy from the uterus." Remove a pregnancy from the uterus? A pregnancy is not a thing to remove, I think they mean a baby/fetus.
I read an article once which argued -with historical citations - that the early pro-choice movement was in large part a Protestant demonstration of their “enlightened” views on sexuality as opposed to the backwards, superstitious, ignorant views of Catholics.
Protestants came around with the Rescue movement in the late 80s and Early 90s but I think the core of your argument stands true as we see them retract after the overturning of Roe.
The bible makes us mature in our values. It is undeniable that removing an intended part of our humanity from an act, changes it. Contraception turns something meant to be a moment of love and connection to between a wife and husband, creating something beautiful, to lowering the value a spouse has for the other's humanity to a tool of pleasure.
it’s weird how you christians talk about sex. you treat it like the most vile sin AND like the most holy act people can do. no wonder y’all have so many problems with predators, y’all teach yourselves to have abnormal confusions around sex
@@mrscharmless Yeah, it's very strange to me just how pro abort Jews are. There are lots of different Jewish sects out there so I'm not sure it's a universal belief or, like our Protestants brothers and sisters, a belief held out of convenience.
The Catholic Church magisterium's reletively late condemnation of transactional salvation via indulgences in Medieval Europe reveals a serious flaw in the Catholic view of Doctrinal authority.
As a conservative, fundamentalist Christian, it is sad to believe that people did not have the Biblical understanding of Life. Life begins at conception. All abortion is murder. People need to understand that we are not allowed to play God to end life. That is the Almighty's prerogotive. At this point, I feel it is trivial to use past beliefs to denigrade these denominations. Now, today, it appears that we have taken up the banner of Life. Past is passed. Sad as it appears it was. Let's all move forward to promote Life.
Check out the comment I left, Mr. Trent. It's on this very topic. I proposed four questions that I have been pondering for a while, now. Give it a like and a comment, that maybe it can be boosted to his attention.
@TheCounselofTrent i think another similar point is divorce. RC church has always been opposed to divorce - while Protestant's seem more liberal. this is my perception - haven't done any research. it is plain scripture that Jesus did not approve of divorce.
As a Protestant I feel as if the historical acceptance of abortion is more of a problem of racism than Sola Scriptura. Looking at the history of abortion and its intended use and its current use in black neighborhoods on black fetuses it makes more sense. Same way with looking at the racist history of the SBC and their separation strictly on the issue of slavery and their historical support on segregation and white supremacy
@@RachelNichols-writer Women can be convinced to do the most dehumanizing things, see Genesis, It is the fault of Adam in not only failing in protecting Eve from the influence of the serpent but also reifying Eve's error by following her dehumanizing act.
@@UBEUILLBEME I do understand consent as liberals mean it. This includes issues like power differential ... which is absolutely in play with regard to surrogacy.
That is one problem with Sola Scriptura. Since abortion is not explicit in the Bible, some Protestants don't believe it is an essential doctrine. Who determines what is essential?
@@lepterfirefall Purgatory is supported in the Bible. This is not the video to discuss it. If you want to, what is the teaching of purgatory to say it is not in the Bible?
@@armoredplacoderm Yes, explicit to YOU. That doesn't mean it is not explicit to other Protestants. That is why I said SOME Protestants don't see it as an essential doctrine.
I am a doctor, and a past president of Oregon Right to Life, and I think I was the first Catholic president of that state organization (convert to Catholicism at age 21). There were a few Catholics in the organization, including myself and another Catholic doctor, but the Executive Director at the time was a Southern Baptist, and the other administrators were Protestants of one denomination or the other. However, we did not have a great turnout of Protestant clergy for the rallies and functions. We did have the Archbishop of Portland and other priests and deacons there. My biggest surprise and disappointment was the nearly complete absence of Orthodox clergy at any of the functions. The Catholic Church rightly believes that the bible, and the early church, proscribes against contraception. The Bible presents children as a gift from God (Genesis 4:1; Genesis 33:5), a heritage from the Lord (Psalm 127:3-5), a blessing from God (Luke 1:42), and a crown to the aged (Proverbs 17:6). God sometimes blesses barren women with children (Psalm 113:9; Genesis 21:1-3; 25:21-22; 30:1-2; 1 Samuel 1:6-8; Luke 1:7, 24-25). God forms children in the womb (Psalm 139:13-16). God knows children before their birth (Jeremiah 1:5; Galatians 1:15). Onan did not want to split his inheritance with any child that he might produce on his brother’s behalf, so he practiced the oldest form of birth control, withdrawal. Genesis 38:10 says, “What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so He put him to death also.” (I did pull these references quickly from another article in the interest of time). Most Protestants actually abandoned scripture long ago, except for select passages that they use out of context to "prove" their theology. Now the trans crowd is promoting mutilation of children as a route to normalize child abuse. I submit, and have said all along, that any doctor who transitions children is committing child abuse. We must protect the unborn and our children. These issues surrounding life are sufficient to prove the authority of the one true church. Excellent video and I completely agree with you, as usual.
Dude really said texting and driving, doing crack and cocaine is fine. It's literally illegal many places. You're still required to follow just civil laws.
@@thepalegalilean yes, the 10 Commandments prohibit abortion in the Commandment Not To Murder. The Liar taught the proabortion crowd that abortion was not murder, just as he taught Eve that to eat the apple was not truly disobedient. The Liar was wrong, Eve was wrong, and the proaborts are wrong.
@newglof9558 The issue is that the commandment would only apply to abortion if the Bible definitivly affirms the humanity of the fetus. The Bible doesn't do this. This is why it is necessary to understand the Bible through and with extra Biblical sources.
The current president calls himself pro-choice and catholic, but your leadership doesn't have the cajones to excommunicate him for being in open opposition to Catholic doctrine and thereby committing the sin of scandal (among many others). I don't want to hear you whine about the past position of protestants on abortion when that situation is current and relevant.
As a Belgian (confessional) Protestant, the issue is conformity with the world. Not willing to be persecuted, at least, that is how it is within broader EU. The church has become fat and lazy and is not ready to lose everything for Christ. We love our stuff and reputation, not willing to lose it. Ukrainian refugees (mainly Baptists) hold us a mirror of our lukewarmness. And despite being a Protestant, I commend the RCC in my country for standing up to abortion. Though very few in number (faithful RCC), they are the ones with a few organizations being pro-life while Protestants have basically none here, to our great shame.
As a theologically conservative protestant I am with you fully Trent. I've said it before and its worth repeating: conservative catholics & protestants have far more in common in the way the live their lives and what world they seek to make and live in. We, both catholics & protestants that are liberal, insofar as I have experienced are so far apart from the conservative ones that they appear alien. Abortion is one of those subjects. Yes unfortunately for us both our liberal wings are pro-abortion to the point of making it one of their religious beliefs, taking it onto their branch of Christianity to our shame and abhorrence.
Many Protestants are close on the idea of ending government abortion but Protestants still have to come to terms with how abortion is funded.. Abortion clinics can only stay open if they receive family planning money. That is why today abortion clinics have taken on the new role of transgender medicine. They need money. It has gotten worse because now mainline pharmacies and even Amazon offer tel-med services for the abortion pill.
@@MS-pm4dc We theologically conservative Christians honestly are losing ground within our own branches internally and losing ground externally of Christianity. Christ has given us much work to do and called use to sacrifice. Let us be found doing his work when he arrives and not idle. May God strengthen us for these good works we are to walk in. In times of favor and times of strife.
@@emmagrace6396, sure, the moral failings of individuals in a denomination doesn't discredit it. *But* when those moral failings are *directly linked to their teachings,* it does indeed discredit the denomination as a whole. For example, in this case it's the Protestant teaching of Sola Scriptura that lead to them being Pro-choice.
@@Lone-Lee Scripture does not support pro-choice. You don't need anything beyond scripture to be pro-life. You don't need anything beyond basic biology to be pro-life. Also your argument is weird. Pro-choice """Catholics""" exist. Catholic Church has no doctrine of Sola Scriptura so I guess that's not what leads people to abortion.
@@lonelyberg1808 That did nothing for me. Quite a weak claim actually. Abortion is not a new issue. Furthermore, no, the Bible is quite sufficient in the arena of morality. The Bible teaches eternal moral principles. Then you apply those eternal moral principles to the """new""" and """unique""" situations in your life, none of which are new or unique. Yes, there is a place for the church. The conflict comes into play when the church contradicts or appears to contradict scripture. When a protestant church is corrupt or teaches falsely, protestants have an out. When the Catholic Church is corrupt or teaches falsely, Catholics have no out.
Back in the early 2000s, I was an Episcopal Priest, having a parish in Council Bluffs, Iowa. I formed an ecumenical pro-life group, in response to Planned Parenthood's buildling of a 'clinic' in the city. Many Catholics were in this group, and they would say to me, "We're so glad you've done this, as we can't get our priests involved." I have since left the Episcopal Church AND Council Bluffs, but as I understand, this group still exists today. Your critique of Protestantism is valid in Mainline Protestant churches (I myself was persecuted by my Diocese because I "brought my divisive views into the parish.") but not valid, in my experience, with most evangelical Protestants. And I must say also, in my time in Council Bluffs, NO Catholic priest came to our meetings. I must say I'm rather disappointed with your report.
Well, Trent is mainly a polemicist. The video topic itself is just rhetoric and polemics. Trents trying to make people think "Protestantism" (as if it's an organization and not an umbrella term) is liberal by it's very nature, he of course will avoid discussing the rampant liberalism in the American RCC (places like LA, Joe Biden being given communion, etc.). That would undermine all his points.
Trent's argument is not that Protestants are less pro-life than Catholics but that Protestantism is less pro-life than Catholicism. The Catholic Church has been far more consistent in its teaching than Protestants on this issue. There was a time when even the Southern Baptist Conference officially supported abortion. This was never the case in the Catholic Church.
@@TheMeatyOne360Catholicism is defined by the Church magisterium, not the individual beliefs of self-identifying Catholics. Trent is arguing that Sola Scriptura, arguably the foundational doctrine of protestantism, cannot reliably determine truth. And this is shown by Protestant groups contradicting _themselves_ over time on serious moral issues.
My parents were married by a Methodist minister in 1950. He said that the Methodist Church was staunchly in favor of birth control, because the denomination believed all children should be planned and wanted. I'm an only child, in part, because my father was the youngest of three, and my mother was the youngest of eight. My mother, who was staunchly pro-choice, was of the position that pro-choice and pro-life were both lousy positions. Pro-choice is lousy, because it's basically a procedure that could have been avoided with birth control. Pro-life is a lousy choice, because of rape, incest, potential health issues for the mother, and potential health issues for the child after birth. Of course, I know Mainline Protestants who are pro-choice for one of two reasons. A. Catholicism is against it. B. Evangelical Prostestant denominations are against it. It's this mindset that I know some Protestants I know are staunchly in favor of women in the ordained clergy.
Trent you were doing so well in mending fences between protestants and Roman Catholics. Why are you putting this wedge between them now? If you want to play the game of "when X group WAS bad" then you're going to have to address the atrocities within the history of the Roman Church as well. You've used an argument against atheists in that you shouldn't condemn an entire religious group just because some people within it get it wrong.
Exactly. Although, I’ve seen some Catholics actually deny that indulgences and pagan practices happened to cause the Protestant reformation. Yeah, so Luther was worked up over nothing 😂
Luther was an admitted liar. He argued for bigamy and allowed a prince to take a second wife. He then said lies for the good of the church were acceptable. You can verify this for yourself by reading it in Concordia Theological Journal.
It is a valid example to bring up to critique a problem with sola scriptura. I'm not just pointing out Protestant pastor scandals or something like that. It is the bad effect of a bad paradigm, sola scriptura, which still continues into the present with many self-identified Protestants being unable to condemn the act of masturbation (even apart from lust) or surrogacy.
@@TheCounselofTrent except protestants weren't following sola scriptura when they failed to stand up for life in the womb. If they had been following sola scriptura the. they would have trusted what scripture says about life in the womb. Instead they were following culture pressures and their own sinful hearts.
Just because some prodistants have a stupid view doesn’t mean a Christian has to be Catholic to be validly pro-life. Catholicism doesn’t tell us “thou shalt not murder” the Bible does.
@tell-me-a-story- What I’m gathering is that the argument is not “Catholicism tells us ‘thou shall not murder’” but rather that Catholicism says that this applies to abortion (or at the very least the early church outside of the Bible clearly applied this to abortion). You won’t get that stance from sola scriptura, but only from a teaching outside of what’s written in the Bible that also originated from the apostles; not as an addition but as an authoritative interpretation. That’s what I’m gathering the argument to be.
@@samueljennings4809 I mean, I think you just need science to see that. Obviously, the unborn is fully human, and it’s not a part of the mother, (Like a tumor or organ or something) And it’s obviously not doing anything that warrants execution, which means any regular Joe can see that killing it is murder. (It’s willful ignorance that makes people think otherwise,) I mean, even pagans could see it. The original Hippocratic oath in Ancient Greece included a passage where young doctors vow not to give pregnant women abortive herbs like rue.
They are a voice recently but that was not the case for many years prior as pro-life groups have been run by and whose participants have been Catholics. You cannot show up at the end when Roe is overturned and take credit for the movement that has been going on for 60 years.
5:35 I’ve always, to some extent, supported separation of church and state, at least in the U.S. Even under a completely secular government, though, it makes no sense for abortion to be legal. The procedure kills another human being, something that every religion and moral philosophy should be opposed to.
I'm a Protestant and abortion is absolutely a theological matter. The only reason we know human life is valuable is because of God, nothing to do with Nationalism
@@TheCounselofTrent That group is founded on an ideology "of life" taken from Catholic theology that was specifically developed by a Catholic priest. Claiming the word "secular" is meaningless unless your ideology actually conforms in some way to secular standards and so-called "secular pro life" is not secular in any meaningful way.
I can't help but to wonder if Trent made this video in a bad spirit towards protestants. His historic account by the end of the video turned out just to be rhetoric or a polemic against Protestant theology. The case of this video can be summarized by " look how inconsistent historically Protestants are with this novel moral issue and look at the superior moral fortitude of the Catholic Church" I've spent much time in church history, and it is easy to find moments in history where the Catholic Church has had bad position or was not morally developed and required quazi-reform. But the holy spirit acted infallibly and corrected the Catholic church over time. We see the same thing with Eastern Orthodoxy which might make the convincing argument that they have been more morally consistent in history. And now, we see the Holy Spirit acting infallibly within the sincere Christians of protestantism as they grow in understanding.
I think he is trying to demonstrate how Sola Scriptura leads to a depth of problems when it comes to moral issues. The problem is not the Protestants themselves, but the false doctrine of sola Scriptura
@@johnisaacfelipe6357 One example is the Catholic Church's stance on usury. In the Middle Ages, the Church condemned the charging of interest on loans as morally wrong. Over time, however, the Church's position evolved, and by the 19th century, it accepted the practice of charging reasonable interest. The teaching on abortion falls into the same category as the teaching on usury in the Middle Ages. Both are moral teachings rather than dogmas. While they have been strongly upheld by the Church, they are not defined with the infallibility and permanence associated with dogmas. On a theological level we could also talk about St. Maximus to confessor who had his tongue cut off by the Catholic church before they realize that he was actually right for that I say thank God for the holy Spirits work in correcting the church.
@@Geralt400 We still abhor usury ie charging of interest. Read Vix Pervenit, nothing has changed, we tolerate it because those who are beholden to it, ie the borrowers, are not at fault in not being able to survive in a world that is ruled by interest without engaging in interest acrueing loans. We call for those who loan out money to not loan out money with interest. So you're still wrong :D
@@johnisaacfelipe6357 While it is true that "Vix Pervenit" reaffirms the condemnation of usury, the Church's practical application of this teaching has evolved. Historically, any interest on loans was condemned as usury. However, in modern times, the Church tolerates reasonable interest, recognizing the complexities of contemporary economics and the necessity for loans in today's world. The differentiation between usurious (exploitative) interest and reasonable interest rates reflects this evolution, indicating a shift in the practical stance while maintaining the moral principle against exploitation. This nuanced change demonstrates an adaptation in the Church’s application of its teachings rather than a rigid, unchanged position.
Really? If we want to talk history, we could mention the Great Schism, three concurrent popes, and when the Catholic Church was in favor of the death penalty. Let's stay focused on important doctrinal issues and not stoke passions of the faithful here who love a dog fight.
I don't think this is a problem with Sola Scritura; that being that scripture is the only final authority. Isn't it, instead, that these liberalized divisions caved to social pressure?
Your title was a purposeful choice. It could have been worded more truthfully by using the word "some" or in a different way altogether. Choosing to word messages in a way that is inflammatory would be a sin if it pushes a person away from Jesus. Is this kind of attitude towards others inviting? Do you like thing worded towards your ideas the same way? Protestants can be as wrong as they want, but that doesn't mean you can sin in response. You know that.
Seriously? If it was true that prots in general were more or less pro-choice - then it can stand. It seems like most protestant nations were quick to allow abortions, so it is not far fetched for me to believe (apart from the evidences presented in this video). Please specify what kind of title you would accept and why..
@@mortensimonsen1645 What? I already did what you asked. 1. Add the word some (or reword the sentence) to indicate the reality that not all Protestants believe the same thing. Which is obvious. Catholics don't. 2. Because it's a sin to do things you know could push people away from Jesus. If you can lump all the bad Protestants together with the good, we can do the same thing with the Catholics. That solves nothing and makes everything worse. Please stop the hate train, don't add coal!!
@@ethanmiller5487 So the title should be "When some protestants were pro-choice" according to you. That would give the opposite impression, that only some protestants were pro-choice, but most weren't. If the case was that most protestant churches were more or less pro-choice, the heading seems entirely correct to me. Maybe the title could have been changed to "When most protestant churches were pro-choice" - would that suit you better? Be careful before you use too strong language about this headline. Every time you make a generic observation about some phenomenon, you could easily fall under your judgment. I would agree with you if the headline was misleading. After viewing the video I don't think so. The video could itself be wrong, as well as the book, but I have no information to the contrary.
@mortensimonsen1645 I didn't make a generic observation. I was specific. Were all Protestants pro-abortion? NO! Are all Catholics anti-abortion? NO!! I ask for people to be aware of how their messages will come across to others and to speak in the most true manner, but I'm doing something wrong?
I own this. As a high school and college student, my view on abortion was apathetic. I was a Cultural Christian in so many ways, Laodicean I would say. Then, the veil came off my eyes. It was God who showed me, not a church. I had always looked upon this evil as an unfortunate choice for the mom. But, the Lord showed me the horrific evil brought to the child. He showed me Old Testament accounts that children were sacrificed to Moloch. I was sickened by my empathy. Lately, God Is showing me the stain it has on the parents who make this God-like choice to end an innocent life. They do not come out of it the same or changed in a good way, usually. Some repent and show remorse for what they have done, but most have let this stain take over their lives. This is a Christian issue for baby and mom.
I would like for Trent to do a video about theocracy vs our modern system of church and state. And if there could be any middle ground to have any possible alternatives that are better than now.
With all due respect, considering that a vast number of professing Catholics voice being pro-abortion in some way or another now, I wouldn't talk too loudly if I were you.
This is a bad objection because the Catholic Church still condemns it despite those who break the rules. Even pro-choice “Catholics” knows the Catholic Church condemns abortion, whereas within Protestantism pro-choice Protestants are convinced the Scriptures alone do not condemn abortion.
The Catholic view on contraception is 100% true. Do you really think God would design sex reproductively just for you to strip that very nature from it?
You can always just make up your own religion and not worry about being formed by something bigger than yourself or founded by Christ. But I bet you feel that wouldn't be right. Following Christ is hard, my friend. But trust me, there's nothing on earth that I'd ever exchange for obedience to Christ. You're in my prayers.
Go Anglo-Catholic and avoid all the unnecessary clutter of the Romanists. Edit: Remember Natural Law in a fallen world is a dodgy foundation and unnecessarily adding to Scripture. And the Word of God.
You shouldn't look for a Church that makes you comfortable. Look for the True Church. If the Catholic Church teaches something to be wrong, you shouldn't break away from it or start your own "church". Instead, you embrace it and pray that God grant you the wisdom to understand the truth!
Dan I did not know this about many Protestants and churches which honestly as a non catholic if I knew I would have called them as false teachers and false churches, know of course things are different but like I said that does not discard the issues in the past. I would also say that one of the issues you did Trent horn was that almost non of the evangelicals used that type of thinking (sola scriptura) to justify there actions. Seems you made a mistake trying to insert sola scriptura in some of these issues. In the case where something moral is not explain though in the Bible best thing to do is not to leave for anyone’s discernment or feelings but to simply not engage in such actions.
I was raised Protestant and was shocked to find out how many today voted for abortion. I hope for the day that people start calling the family unite, ESP the babies being born.
Mr. Horn, Sola Scriptura is not the problem. You do not give a fair criticism of Protestantism. The reason those denominations held to those wicked views was precisely because they had abandoned a proper understanding of Sola Scriptura. Every denomination you quoted was, at that time, heavily influenced by theological liberalism which has a lower view of the sufficiency of Scripture and it's nature as God's Divine Revelation. This was even the case with The Southern Baptist Convention prior to the Conservative Resurgence. These groups of protestants began changing their belief about the Holy Scriptures, particularly in the 19th century. They no longer believed that The Bible is The written Word of God, they believe it only "contained" the Word of God. This resulted in the changing of moral stances they once held. You never mention the strong stands historic conservative Protestants made such as Confessional Lutherans, Confessional Presbyterians and Conservative Anglicans. This distinction may be unfamiliar with members of the Roman church because you do not have or seek doctrinal unity, and never have. You have hierarchical unity that allows an ever widening spectrum of theological viewpoints, even on basics tenants such as justification. This was even prevalent at The Council of Trent with the divisions between the Dominicans and Franciscans. Confessional Protestants hold to a confession of faith rooted in the Church's historical tradition that shows an interpretation of scripture and is not held equal to God's infallible Word. The three historic branches of Protestantism are Lutheranism, Calvinism, and Anglicanism. The Confessional branches hold to the original expressions of these reform movements within God's Church, and even between the three there is remarkable unity on basic and some secondary doctrines. This is because they take the plain reading of Scripture seriously. As for Rev. W.A. Criswell, he did support abortion until later in life, he then became a staunch opponent of abortion and publicly repented of his hand in supporting abortion. The examples of onanism and surrogacy as being viewed as permissible highlight the many theological problems with enthusiast traditions such as American evangelicalism who do not have a solid root in Biblical Christianity or how to apply Biblical principles. Confessional Magisterial Protestants don't have this problem because we are a part of historical Christianity and understand the nature of Sola Scriptura is not a "my Bible and me" mentality. We don't need a magisterium to know that concubinage is sinful, that is one of the points the Scriptures are making when it brings them up. We can all see the messes it makes. Christ gives clear teachings on marriage as does St Paul. We do like St Athanasius did when he defended the Divinity of Christ, He did not ask Rome or a magisterium what to think, he went strait to The Scriptures and applied their truths in continuity with the Faith passed down throughout the ages, even when the hierarchy was against him. As did Augustine and Luther with the controversies of their own days. "Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful." Hebrews 10:23 ESV
@HunterMcLain Sola scriptura is what gives man the power to interpret Scripture however he wants. That's why there are so many denominations. Nothing but chaos and disunity has come out of the Reformation based on Sola Scriptura, no matter how you define it.
You should be aware that in the 1960s through 1990s especially early years, it felt like abortion was accepted by 70 to 80 percent of the people. so it seemed acceptable or popular to say the things these Pastors said. Society has changed but these Pastors should have been courageously outspoken then. This is not to say that all Catholic Bishops and priests were outspoken but some were. and Pope reaffirmed, Catholic politician "I am personally opposed BUT
Two living human persons enter the doctor's office. One leaves after her appointment. The other one is dead and abandoned. How is this "health care". ???!!!???
Great point!
"Because it's not a human being! Quit bringing your religion into politics!" -The science denier
Since everyone is incapable of reading: I am mocking the people who say that, not actually advocating for it.
@@IsaiahINRI if it isn't a human being, then "what" would you say "it" IS? And this has nothing to do with religion. I am just "following the science." President Biden says that is what people should do.
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@@erikriza7165 that's my exact thought when these people claim human fetuses aren't human
@@IsaiahINRImore like the “Pro Science” college student
Saying "masturbation is ok, if its without lust" is like saying "abortion is fine as long as the baby is not hurt"
Agreed, Emperor Vespasian. How does one take care of oneself in that manner without some kind of sexual thought? It happens. Most dudes have done it. In fact, if a dude has never done it, there may be something wrong with his functioning. But that doesn't mean it's good. That doesn't mean we should all go home and do it. We need to acknowledge that for some people, it can be a hard sin to shake, but there is an ocean of God's Mercy. I suspect that some degree of sin is inevitable. The first narrative of Adam and Eve is their fall. As soon as Noah and his family is saved, they start goofin' around. As soon as Israel received part of the Law on Sinai, they build a golden calf and have a wild party. That's just me.
I guess those solo scripture folks forgot about the part where God killed Onan for spilling his seed, (Genesis 38:9)
Masturbation = the sin of Onan; aka. Onanism
@jz1528 apparently you do not understand yourself bible. Onnanism may be called masterbation in your world but is not masterbation. Onnan married his brothers childless wife as was the custom of the day so she would not be left without a bloodline. He committed the sexual act with his wife but didn't want to impregnate her and so pulled out and spilt his seed on the ground. God punished him for that act. He did not pleasure himself.
Honestly...get out of your human traditions and read the bible for yourself. You may learn something.
@@jz1528
To be fair, I recall Onan’s sin also (EDIT: potentially) being an act of “r*pe by deception”, seeing how he seemingly took advantage of Tamar and had her consent under the false pretense that he would try to conceive an heir for her. So while I am not justifying the act in question, I find it a false equivalency to compare the typical act of it to the severity of what Onan did.
💯 got that right,
When TH-cam adds its message about the subject of the video, you know you are doing something right.
Exactly
This is one of the reasons I became Catholic, from being a SBC Baptist. The contraception issue and the waiver on abortion... at the beginning of the 20th century all major Christian denominations opposed both. By the middle of the century, only the Church had not changed her teaching on these things.
Stay strong in faith brother.
You became Catholic because they didn't change their stance on abortion? Why not come out of the church because it changed it's stance on lots of other things. Sorry that humans are flawed but that's exactly why we don't want to trust the Catholic churches teachings.
Welcome home!
When Protestants say that contraceptives are okay, they are admittedly saying “sex is for pleasure, go enjoy yourself.” They are no better than the spirit of the age.
Protestants are much more likely to bow to cultural demands rather than stay strong. We see this with gay marriage and transgender ideology which has unfortunately affected those churches
that Mike Winger and Alan Parr clip shook me 🤯
It's not an uncommon view in Protestantism
Lol being a popular pastor some people look up to and engaging in this type of behaviour is wild.
And let us not hold our breath, Winger refuses to debate; he does like to give speeches however.
Mike winger and alan parr are so backwards and anti catholic they need our prayers! So many protestant brothers and sisters are brainwashed about the catholic faith. They need to take off the blinders off to see the truth!
Same
As a Protestant this is a valid critique.
as a Catholic, i apologise for any Catholics being plain mean in their critique. Trent’s not doing that but the comments get heated and uncharitable at times.
@@alwaysrootingfortheantihero123 he's bringing up the past, so I will, too. While I am disgusted by some protestants of the past on their liberal stance on abortion, I still remember why the reformation happened, and I was raised a Catholic.
No, it’s not. This video is mostly lies and cherry picked data.
When I consider why I am a Catholic now, it occurs to me that Catholic Answers was a main driving force. Now even in 2009, Catholic Answers was largely made of Protestant converts addressing other Protestants.
And they were addressing not only Protestant objections, but they addressed them using the main Protestant point: that salvation is indeed from Jesus Christ, that His death on the cross saves us, that it is sufficient for salvation, and that nothing else can effect what His sacrifice did.
It occurred to me that, although these points are properly Catholic, I do in a way owe Protestants a debt of gratitude for continuing to thump that message. We Catholics need to remember that core of the fullness of truth.
And I'm grateful for Catholic apologists who know that core of Christianity who brought it with them and continue to orient their apologetics on putting our teaching in that context.
It is needed to wake up cradle Catholics to why we do what we do.
@@HolyKhaaaaan I have been very grateful that my Catholic mom taught me about Jesus, but she didn't teach me the gospel, because no one taught it to her. I have listened to priests on youtube who did teach the gospel, and I got excited, and tried to steer Catholics I knew to listen to those priests (Father Cedric is one, Bishop Barron). I even thought about going back to Catholicism at one point, just to try to stir up excitement about just what Jesus did for us, and the beauty of the scriptures without embellishment by the traditions of men. It's like Catholics walk around, not all of them, but most of them, in a coma. No joy, no enthusiasm, because they just don't get what happened 2000 years ago, and the significance of it!!!
I remember a girl that I met, at the church that woke me up to the meaning of the Gospel, while we were sharing the fact that we grew up in the Catholic church, that her mom was different. She said her mom always cried at mass. I never saw anyone that moved during my childhood, at least not that I remember.
Not saying any of this to put anyone down, or to lift myself up. Just stating why I left the RNC, and why I have no nudge or urge to go back.
"National Library of Medicine - An abortion is a procedure to end a pregnancy." Do they also claim slavery was a procedure to give people jobs?
“…a method of agricultural production…” 😅
“ A Job program for african americans”
They would, if they have a spine.
bigfootapologetics
Interesting when white people always use slavery to criticize something else. You don't even care enough to give reparations
Also, those examples don't even make sense. Abortion literally ends pregnancy, or you want them to say it gives life? But with slavery since when was it a job?
"Thou shalt not kill." - God
Amen! -Vanessa
@@TheCounselofTrent Hello Trent. We would love to have you visit Australia! The Archdiocese of Sydney would be a great place to start. Thank you for your service to the Faith. Pax
@@TheCounselofTrent doctrinal authority?? Come on… you are being DISHONEST with your whole premise…. Even the book Common Sense explains how Popist are doctrinally incoherent and it was it Catholics that took the God and the Bible out of public schools. The reason: the added 7 books… proving that the added 7 uninspired books divided the nation. It was Catholics that cracked the walls of this nation.
Peter is one of the foundations of New Jerusalem… not the firs, just one of the stones like the Bible says…
(By the way, who is the 12 apostle named on the foundation of New Jerusalem? Paul or Matthias?)
Read the Bible, it says the Catholics have a doctrine of demons with unmarried church leaders and abstaining from foods? 1 Timothy 4:1-4.
Read that eating Jesus is satanic according to God’s word?? Hebrews 13:7-16
Readthat Sola Scriptura is taught in the bible? And not the traditions of men which void the word of God? The number of verses is too great to list. I can if you need them. Plus, you want the Bible to say only God’s Word in the English of today. Well it says it wording that is contemporaneous with when it was written. DISHONEST you….
Do you say that talking to little gods is idolatry??? Luke 20:36
HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO SAY WHAT YOU SAY??
@@TheCounselofTrent doctrinal authority?? Come on… you are being DISHONEST with your whole premise…. Even the book Common Sense explains how Popist are doctrinally incoherent and it was it Catholics that took the God and the Bible out of public schools. The reason: the added 7 books… proving that the added 7 uninspired books divided the nation. It was Catholics that cracked the walls of this nation.
Peter is one of the foundations of New Jerusalem… not the firs, just one of the stones like the Bible says…
(By the way, who is the 12 apostle named on the foundation of New Jerusalem? Paul or Matthias?)
Read the Bible, it says the Catholics have a doctrine of demons with unmarried church leaders and abstaining from foods? 1 Timothy 4:1-4.
Read that eating Jesus is satanic according to God’s word?? Hebrews 13:7-16
Readthat Sola Scriptura is taught in the bible? And not the traditions of men which void the word of God? The number of verses is too great to list. I can if you need them. Plus, you want the Bible to say only God’s Word in the English of today. Well it says it wording that is contemporaneous with when it was written. DISHONEST you….
Do you say that talking to little gods is idolatry??? Luke 20:36
HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO SAY WHAT YOU SAY??
doctrinal authority?? Come on… you are being DISHONEST with your whole premise…. Even the book Common Sense explains how Popist are doctrinally incoherent and it was it Catholics that took the God and the Bible out of public schools. The reason: the added 7 books… proving that the added 7 uninspired books divided the nation. It was Catholics that cracked the walls of this nation.
Peter is one of the foundations of New Jerusalem… not the firs, just one of the stones like the Bible says…
(By the way, who is the 12 apostle named on the foundation of New Jerusalem? Paul or Matthias?)
Read the Bible, it says the Catholics have a doctrine of demons with unmarried church leaders and abstaining from foods? 1 Timothy 4:1-4.
Read that eating Jesus is satanic according to God’s word?? Hebrews 13:7-16
Readthat Sola Scriptura is taught in the bible? And not the traditions of men which void the word of God? The number of verses is too great to list. I can if you need them. Plus, you want the Bible to say only God’s Word in the English of today. Well it says it wording that is contemporaneous with when it was written. DISHONEST you….
Do you say that talking to little gods is idolatry??? Luke 20:36
HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO SAY WHAT YOU SAY??
I remember Rush Limbaugh making that case that it’s a historical anomaly that the GOP became pro-life, when the Democrat party was the more likely home. Even Jesse Jackson used to be pro-life! Wild how things change.
Jesse Jackson was pro life ….until he ran for president
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You can be pro-life without wanting to impose it on other people. Why would you think you have to right to make someone else's choice on their body for them, even if you believe it saves a life? There's already a living person now. One that can actually feel the pain of death. Some people want to prioritize the one that doesn't even know what life is because of their religious beliefs
@@Scoring57 Funny!😅 You know, the only reason they call abortion healthcare is so they can publicly fund the killing of poor people, right? Abortion is an elected procedure, period, one that ends the life of an innocent person. Who are you to tell me that I have to pay for the abortions of others? Why is that okay for you to impose on everyone?
@@Scoring57not really pro life then is it? Because you're saying that "I would never murder a person, but who am I to say that you can't do it?" It's ridiculous.
As I understand it, the 1980 election established the GOP as the pro-life party. In that primary, Bush was a pro-choice candidate who preached zero population growth. After Reagan won the nomination, Bush had to change his position before Reagan would accept him as VP. The Democrats went all in on pro-choice as a reaction to Reagan. Pro-life Democrats, like the Pennsylvania governor at that time (Casey?), became outsiders in their party very quickly.
How on earth can anyone say the Bible doesn't forbid masturbation?
While the term itself doesn't appear, fornication, sins of the flesh, unchastity are all condemned. It's not all that difficult to apply one/all of those to masturbation.
Yup, "A fornicator I was, A heretic? Never"
@@manny75586 It's pretty crazy how Protestants are always able to find "biblical arguments" for our culture's current sexual ethics.
As a former Prot who fell into this self-destructive behavior, and still struggles from it at times, I can say that it is largely because we make excuses. We don't WANT it to say that, so we pretend and twist the words of the Bible to suit our passions. Sin has a grip on us and we can't see it. I thank God that He showed me what I was doing. But now the battle is over the addiction that comes with it.y
@@IsaiahINRIvery well said
@@IsaiahINRI
As a lifelong Catholic, I had a different reason for being unable to make sense of that being a sin for so long. If I may elaborate below…
To first cut to the chase, I might consider solo-ma$tUrb@tlon to be the equivalent to trying to satisfy your sweet-tooth cravings, by chomping on food made purely from a bunch of zero-calorie artificial sweeteners. It may outwardly have the same “taste” as marital intimacy’s sugar, but one is not giving themselves the actual substance being hungered for. The “taste” is just the intermediate step on the road to gratification, not the appetite’s endpoint and gratification itself.
The problem I faced is that so many people from both the secular cultures and Christian cultures (including some Catholic spokesmen, unfortunately) were all mischaracterizing that appetite in the same way. I would define that appetite as “the yearning to initiate and continuously nourish a lifelong and potentially fruitful bond with a mate/spouse, through acts of s3xu@I intercourse”. However, all I saw was people basically characterizing it as “the desire for the high triggered by s3xu@I activity”. That was the equivalent to defining hunger as merely “the urge to chew on and swallow tasty things” rather than “the urge to nourish one’s body with water/nutrients/calories, through acts of eating and drinking”.
Due to me having that misguided latter definition instilled in me, any assertion that solo-m@$tUrb@tlon itself could be a sin made God seem like a manipulative drug dealer. People get addicted to this metaphorical substance, then are told they must do something first before they can earn that high again. That is, despite the hypothetical “drug” being attached to one’s own body and, therefore, seemingly something the person should already rightfully own (like being paid in coins already inside your wallet). However, once I started picturing the 0rg@$m as the “taste of that gratifying substance” rather than “the gratifying substance” itself, everything started to make a lot more sense. This helped me to more easily see the bonding and procreative potential as the true s3xu@I gratification, rather than the conditions someone must meet first in order for one to be granted s3xu@I gratification.
After I read Casti Connubii, while studying to become a Protestant pastor, caused me to think that the Catholic Church is right. It then took me 17 years after reading it to actually enter the Catholic Church. But the reading of it left an Indelible mark on my soul. I entered the Catholic Church last year.
Praise be to God!
Papal Encyclicals truly are great works of the church! You should also read Vix Prevenit, Divini Illius Magistri, and Rerum Novarum
@@johnisaacfelipe6357 I have more than likely read morsels of them before entering the Church. I may have to go back and read the whole Encyclicals. I have delved into other Encyclicals as well.
I am disappointed in some protestants who made decisions that I find abhorrent, but not enough to forget why the reformation happened.
The Protestant church I attended growing up being weak on abortion was a major impetus for my conversion to Catholicism.
you have 100+ comments on this channel
catholic church is pro communist for over 8 popes now
Are you saying he is on a mission?@@ourospost
Your incorrect,I'm sorry look at the stats on who supports abortion. Wow Catholics come 1st on both support and practice
@@zacharynelson5731 in your hometown you could have found many Protestant churches who strongly opposed abortion so that argument is specious. But your comment was only meant to be provocative anyway.
Thank you Trent. Realizing the inconsistency of Protestantism on these important issues was the catalyst for my conversion in 2017. I spent a lifetime in the evangelical church, now I’m so thankful to have found the one true Church.
love to hear that you were able to follow the bread crumbs. Isn't it amazing to receive Our Lord in the Eucharist?
Welcome home!
All Christian denominations have made errors in the past. Catholicism is no exception. It has made some very significant errors throughout the ages.
Protestantism I believe is currently united that abortion is wrong.
you didn't find the one true church though. You found paganism masquerading as Christianity
And that "one true church" has a Pope who says it's okay to blesses homosexuals who engage in marriage unions. Thoughts on that?
I gotta say... I am actually shocked and surprised by the positions of these huge Protestant denominations! Horrific. I am very thankful that my Protestant friends today are extremely pro-life, but it is yet more confirmation of why I am a Catholic.
P.S. It really isn't funny but the 'WE CAN SMOKE CRACK!' comment by Alan Parr always cracks me up. No pun intended.
But the bible actually commands us to be sober minded so I would argue that actually no, we cannot smoke crack in good conscience, nor any other mind altering drug. That's obviously disregarding where we are told our bodies are a temple to God, and whatever we do,.do it for the glory of God. So on that basis, and more, I would argue that it is in fact sinful. We are told laziness is also a sin, so if we do something that is not productive, then it is arguably sinful by its nature of not being productive.
@@BornAgain223I don’t think she is agreeing with that quote. But it is kind of funny to just say that, but I agree with you.
@@BornAgain223 you might actually just be the first modern Christians i have come across who condemn alcohol consumption. unless im wrong? hope you arent going to 'pull an Andrew Wilson' who exclude wheed from his mind altering list. 🙄
A few weeks ago, here in Brazil, they gave a pro-choice speech in a Protestant church and it was applauded. Pastors who are deputies also support it.Of course, you can't speak for everyone; Even the most voted deputy here is Protestant and takes a stand against all these ideologies. (It goes without saying that he is hated by the left) And the famous pastors who take a pro-life stance have such a bad reputation for being dishonest and hypocritical, that their support hinders more than it helps.
The point is that each pastor says what he wants, manipulates the Bible to say what he wants. Protestant churches are sects.
Don't act like this problem is only with Protestant churches. There are so many clips of Catholic priests doing and supporting things that are reprehensible. It's a sin problem, not a protestant one. I come from a Baptist background, and not one church I have ever been to has supported abortion.
The errors of “Bible Alone” theology
@@jacklaurentius6130 I think the problem is not just scripture, but the fact that people no longer see God objectively; For most people, God must adapt to them, it is God who has to agree with them and not them with God. And this happens regardless of the religion that person supposedly follows. Here in Brazil, Catholicism is cultural or what I call superstition, the number of practicing Catholics is small and you don't see the difference between a person who has no religion, an atheist and someone who says they are Catholic. Many Catholics go to Alan Kardec's spiritualist center (it's very popular here), they attend African religions (syncretism here is very strong) and if you say that God prohibits these types of things they will say that it doesn't matter because God is the same.
Yes, they are heretics, and will hear "I never knew you. Depart from Me you evil doers (Matt 7:23)." What is truly sad is that so many people are duped by their slick and false teachings and follow them to their eternal perdition. May God have mercy, open their eyes, and grant them understanding so that they may come to Your Church before it is too late. Amen!
JFC, how can people buy that crap?
Hey Google thanks for reminding me that abortion is just healthcare. I’m ready to abandon this platform.
yep, Leftie Big Brother pretending to define abortion as the termination of a "pregnancy." That's like killing me in my home being reported as the termination of a "residency." "Professor Joe's residency was terminated by a bomb at 3:00 yesterday afternoon, Google has reported."
Google and Planned Parenthood are in the same boat and both backed Hillary Clinton in 2016. Several Clinton Foundation people ended up joining TH-cam and Google.
it is healthcare. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
@@velkyn1 Says the guard at Auschwitz.
@@velkyn1 Healthcare? Whose health is being cared for, of the two patients on the table?
The worst example I could think of this is when, about 7 years ago, there was a protest organized by the Archdiocese of Denver at the nearby Planned Parenthood, the biggest one west of the Mississippi River. The protest included Archbishop Aquila processing around the block with the Eucharist in a monstrance several times. And then some former Catholic decided this would be the perfect time to undermine what the Church was doing and start yelling at people saying the Catholic Church is false. It's really sad that some Protestants would rather have abortion in our country than---God forbid! ---work with Catholics to stop it.
I'm glad we can all unite on this today!
Roman Catholics have always been leaders in this area. Confessional Lutherans (e.g. LCMS) have always been pro-life.
*Catholics
Don't forget us Eastern brothers! 😇
@@Lone-Lee And the Orthodox Catholic Church ☦️😃(but they are not Protestant).
What percentage of Lutherans belong to the "confessional" minority?
@@mattc9764 The confessional Lutherans(e.g. LCMS, WELS, ELS) would say they are the only Lutherans in America. The liberal “Lutherans” like the other “mainline” denominations are dying out, they are on life support (which is a good thing).
The Roman Catholic Church are the leaders on pro life issues. Sadly, that doesn’t always trickle down into laity. I saw a pew research poll on Catholics in America-not a lot of good news. What’s going on? The Trad Catholics are right.
The Catholic Church has done a good job at promoting pro life as a whole. They’ve done an outstanding job. The Orthodox, Lutherans, etc., can follow the example Romans Catholic Church on pro-life issues.
@@P-el4zdThey mean eastern Catholics not Orthodox lol. Not all Catholics are Roman. Theres Byzantine Catholics, Syro-Malabar, Maronite, Roman, etc. Roman Catholic isn’t the official name of the church. The Latin Rite is just one of 23.
This is another reason I'm becoming catholic. The church is the most consistent, huh maybe because it's led by the holy spirit
Consistent? You papists may be the greatest shape shifting church there is. Vatican 2 was literally a break with so much traditional understanding of doctrines and practices
Yeah if you want consistency look into Orthodoxy
That's the problem with schisms and refusal of submission. Either you are your own authority or you accept God as your authority. I am so glad of being a catholic
Thank you for this comment! -Vanessa
What do you do when your Popes go rogue? I've heard from many in the RCC that Francis' decision to bless homosexuals in so-called "marriages" has been a big splitter of an issue. He's not the first one to stir up a hornet's nest.
Sometimes I think the only thing that holds the RCC together instead of it splitting is the fact that the clergy created a hierarchy that says, "If you don't agree with us, you're going straight to Hell, do not pass GO and not even any time in purgatory. In other words, fear. Protestants have an inherent and undeniably reasonable skepticism of how that can be used to abuse people and the Gospel, as we saw in the middle ages with Papal corruption, sale of indulgences and church offices, etc.
Maybe a little healthy push back against the "because I said so" man-made authority would be a good move for the RCC!
@@sidwhiting665 Have you watched Pope Francis's clarification on the fiducia? He said that he doesn't allow for the blessing of homosexual marriages just the blessing of the homosexuals who are in these disordered unions, so that they may live lives pleasing to Christ which includes them ending their disordered unions.
It's hard to take that position seriously when Supreme Court justices who spent decades ensuring that abortion remained legal weren't excommunicated.
Lmao, this is a fallacy and it's funny that Trent comments on this
There are many catholics that believe different things, and Trent has rebutted them on this channel
Why is there a false pretense on the unity of the Catholics whenever they criticizes the "protestant" chruch
I'm a Catholic myself, but I know someone simply identifying as a Catholic doesn't mean they're against abortion. The president of the United States claims to be Roman Catholic and his staunch support of abortion is one of his main talking points.
All are fallen. What’s far more significant is official statements by organizations.
He is excomunicated ipso facto
@@Onlyafool172I don't think that's true. Excommunication is applied if he were to actually procure an abortion, which we have no evidence happened.
@@tafazziReadChannelDescription thats not true. You can be excommunicated ipso facto by factually being a heretic by declaring false teachings and not changing your ways after being corrected twice. It is arguable if this is the case with biden since he is no leader in faith but I would argue that his position is connected to enough power for him to fall into that cathegory. maybe @TheCounselofTrent could clarify
@@tafazziReadChannelDescription "a person who procures a successful abortion incurs an automatic (latae sententiae) excommunication." This means that at the very moment that the abortion is successfully accomplished, the woman and all formal conspirators are excommunicated. (Canon 1398 of the Law of the Church). For the excommunication to be lifted and the woman able to (a sign it is lifted) licitly receive Holy Communion again, first she would have to repent/formally confess the sin.
Remember when Protestants were against contraception?
i am not old enough to remember that, but i did learn about it in school. church history.
Remember when the Catholic Church supported the Death Penalty?
@@DPK5201 yes, i remember that. i remember when bishops were Catholic. I remember lots of things that i miss. The way things used to be.
Common Trent W
So protestants DO BELIEVE in doctrinal development!
You have made an error in who set the churches doctrine. Jesus is in charge of the doctrine, not humans. The doctrine cannot change because God cannot change. Only our human understanding can change. We now have the ability to understand abortion because we now have the procedure!!! We couldn't know that before, abortion wasn't a thing yet. We can't understand a thing that doesn't exist to us. But God knows about abortion and everything else for ALL TIME. Meaning He didn't change, we changed.
@@ethanmiller5487they had abortion before the time of Jesus, not on the same scale obviously. It's mentioned in the OT and the Didache and other early Church teachings. They had potions and would perform surgical abortions or abandon unwanted newborns.
@@ethanmiller5487Writings from the early church fathers called the Didache, written about 50 AD said not to procure an abortion.
@@ethanmiller5487But who said doctrinal development is a change in the doctrine? That’s a gross, rather a bizarre caricature.
@@ethanmiller5487 wow. This argument would be bad no matter what, but the fact that you staked it on an obviously lie "we didn't have abortion before" makes it a complete farce.
We had procedures for abortion in Jesus's day. They were extremely dangerous but they existed. And exposure is just post birth abortion.
You should actually know what you are talking about before running your mouth
In Kentucky, we welcome both Catholic and Protestant defenders of life, and Kentucky Right to Life welcomes both in the cause of life as well.
That is great! -Vanessa
The clips about masturbation bring back long suppressed memories for myself. When I was about 12 or so and I first discovered masturbation, I felt guilty about it, and not being well educated in the Church, I looked online to see if it was sinful. Again I was not well educated, so I didn’t really understand the difference between Protestant and Catholic. I found some protestant sources that echoed this same talking point and this lead to wasted years of adolescence and a struggle against lust. I say this so that current and future parents can understand just how important spiritual education is. If you don’t teach morality to your kids, someone else will teach their twisted morality.
Never would I have thought i would hear Allen parr say “we smoke crack, we can sniff cocaine”…. This is why the Catholic Church is needed 😅
I hate when people misunderstand the verse about “all is permissible” Paul is quoting the Corinthians, not himself saying it.
Humans seem to have a profound ability to invent new forms of deviancy. Sola scriptura promotes the idea that all one must due to escape the moral bounds of scripture is to act inventively in sin.
Sola Scriptura just means the Bible is the only infallible authority because it is God breathed . Seeing as every argument goes back to Scripture anyway, we all affirm it to some degree.
@@clivejungle6999The defining aspect of Sola Scriptura is the _Sola_ part. Catholics affirm the infallibility of Scripture. We just haven't declared, without any evidence at all, that it's the only infallible rule of faith.
@@BrewMeister27 There is nothing like Scripture, there is nothing that is on par with the Word of God.
Why would the Church be infallible and therefore incapable of error? Subordinationism used to be universal orthodoxy. The sacraments weren’t fixed at 7 for 1000 years and the Papacy didn’t become infallible until the 1870s.
Why are ecumenical councils called by a Roman Emperor (A secular leader) on par with the Word of God? They even used forgeries such as the letter to King Agbar at Nicaea II. That is infallible? A rigged Byzantine power struggle spearheaded by an eye gouging empress…
Obviously this isn't true since we can't relate all modern phenomenon to sacred scripture which often is unable to address modern issues for the sheer fact that they were present at that time.
Billy Graham caved in on Contraception too!
Thank you Trent Horn
The problem wasn't sola scriptura, pro-abortiom isn't a position you can arrive at sola scriptura, as the bible is clear on its stance on abortion. You want to debate Sola Scriptura, okay, let's hear it, but don't blame pro-abortionism on Sola Scriptura
Exactly
Oh look. The YT propaganda badge of honor.
What do you mean? Oo
@@dyzmadamachus9842 He means the "information label" YT unilaterally tacked onto Trent's video so we ignorant backward viewers would understand that abortion is just the termination of a pregnancy. (so we can all pretend it is not the termination of a human being)
@@dyzmadamachus9842 TH-cam sometimes puts a tag that says “abortion is healthcare” on any video that talks about abortion
Lol yep. "It's a procedure that ends a pregnancy." What does that *mean* exactly? What specifically in a pregnancy are you putting an end to? 🤔
@@sandstorm7768 They won't tell you because they don't want you to know. Their goal is to get people to stop asking questions and acquiesce to the new world order.
I never understood so much about sexual ethics and the dignity of humans life and all stages until I came out of the anti Catholic church I grew up in. This video deepens my understanding of the history behind so called Christian liberal stances on these subjects and further deepens my appreciation for the Catholic Church! Thank Trent!
Pray for the State of Puebla, Mexico, they just decriminalized abortion here up to 3 months.
This is what happens when Americans choose to settle down in Mexico.
Small note: at 1:40 it's not "Casti Cannubi", it's "Casti Connubii". It means "Of chaste wedlock".
Trent misseplled _”Casti Connubii”?_ Dang... 😮
Thank you for yet another thought provoking and educational video.
My father and I classified as non-denominational protestant fundamentalists.
My father lived the last 70 years of the 20th century, and now I'm almost 70. He stood against abortion. So have I. We reached this conclusion without the Roman Catholic Church, yet the RCC being pro-life has never turned me away from our position, nor hindered me from joining with Catholics politically on this issue.
Here in Scotland we have a political party called The Scottish Family Party. It's Leader and Deputy Leader are Evangelical Protestants. It's slogan is "Pro-Life, Pro-Marriage, Pro-Family". It is anti-abortion but in a video on TH-cam, the Deputy Leader made an exception of allowing abortion if the mother's life is in danger. Any exception is the thin end of the wedge.
PLEASE create an Audiobook for the Second Edition of Persuasive Pro Life
did the LCMS change their view? from their website, their answer to the morality of abortion is, “The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod believes that abortion is contrary to God's Word and "is not a moral option, except as a tragically unavoidable byproduct of medical procedures necessary to prevent the death of another human being, viz., the mother" (1979 Res. 3-02A)”
Oh this video doesn't apply to us !! … Its impossible to catch them all. This isn't Pokémon!! Trent can't recite off every single particular protestant communities' position on every single topic. This is the very point of why Sola Scriptura is false!
@@benjaminshirley no i understand but i was just wondering whether the LCMS currently teaches abortion is ok. but i'm confused on how this makes Sola Scriptura false.
@@LukeBowman08I could be mistaken but I think the reasoning is that if you don't have a central authority for exegeting scripture, then you inevitably end up with a multitude of various views, the majority being wrong by simple probability, and no one having any authority over another to make a claim that they are right or someone else is wrong.
but... that still doesn't reach the end goal of proving Sola scriptura false, just sort of implies that it is.
@@LukeBowman08 The many points made for Sola Scriptura being a false document are cumulative. Certainly, some have more weight than others. In this particular point, the inability to succulently present the positions of Protestantism(s) 'in toto' on any given position is its self a symptom of the unworkable structure of Sola Scriptura. How can we trust the 'truth' of a doctrine or moral teaching, if we must look within our private judgment to arrive at an answer? I grant we simply cannot. The protestant must hold onto this doubt of possibly erring in interpretation whenever they arrive at any particular position. The protestant accepts this or must claim the Holy Spirit is speaking to them correctly, in opposition to others. How are we to test this? By scripture alone?? This framework quickly becomes circular, and cannot be solved.
I’m glad I found your channel. Your moral, polite and you seem well educated. Nice to hear your perspective. Looking forward to more videos. Hope you could try to do a topic talking about at what point do people who justify immoral deeds against an unconscious person turns into them justifying it with anyone. Like that topic of that destiny guy for example.
We need a strong Catholic church in America to protect Western Civilization.
I don't think Christ has a favorite civilisation
@@DPK5201 who said he did?
Perhaps, you have a problem with Western Civilization because it's an expression of the bio-spirit of Westernkind-White people.
I thought America is all about... Freedoooooom
@@buddyduddyful what about Catholics in Asia?
@@rob7724 LOL. Indeed, and The biggest threat to Freedom is Freedom!
"Violent rape"? As opposed to "Non Violent Rape" ?????
I know. What in the world is he talking about?
@@kristinwannemuehler9757 perhaps statutory . . .
Paul, when writing 1st Timothy, didn’t appeal to the church when giving reason for how a Christian ought to behave. At 12:49, Trent cites 1 Timothy 3:15 as proof, but it’s ironic because the verse is within the context of Paul writing Scripture! Paul writes SCRIPTURE so that the church of Ephesus knows what’s to do, he doesn’t just assume they do. The fact that the church needed guidance from Paul’s letters at all should be indication enough to show that Scripture is of higher authority. The church is the bulwark of the faith because the church has scripture which is from God.
That's what I was thinking! But I didn't feel like responding. I could hear that previous verse in my head so I looked it up and ya, i didnt think it made sense in this context.
The note from TH-cam says abortion is "a procedure to remove the pregnancy from the uterus." Remove a pregnancy from the uterus? A pregnancy is not a thing to remove, I think they mean a baby/fetus.
Well done.
A needed history lesson as well as a frank but non-confrontational look at the limitations of Sola Scriptura.
Thanks Trent.
Thank you Trent!
Protestants actually were the denomination that first condemned abortion as homicide…
Great video Trent. God bless you
Eye opening. Many thanks.
I read an article once which argued -with historical citations - that the early pro-choice movement was in large part a Protestant demonstration of their “enlightened” views on sexuality as opposed to the backwards, superstitious, ignorant views of Catholics.
Protestants came around with the Rescue movement in the late 80s and Early 90s but I think the core of your argument stands true as we see them retract after the overturning of Roe.
The bible makes us mature in our values. It is undeniable that removing an intended part of our humanity from an act, changes it. Contraception turns something meant to be a moment of love and connection to between a wife and husband, creating something beautiful, to lowering the value a spouse has for the other's humanity to a tool of pleasure.
it’s weird how you christians talk about sex. you treat it like the most vile sin AND like the most holy act people can do. no wonder y’all have so many problems with predators, y’all teach yourselves to have abnormal confusions around sex
Trent, it would be interesting, if you made a similar video about Jews and their stance on abortion.
We are not allowed to criticize certain groups don’t you know
Oi
Perhaps I should say “question” not “criticize”. Or both, yes would have to say both
That would be interesting, many Jews say that banning abortion would infringe on their religion.
@@mrscharmless Yeah, it's very strange to me just how pro abort Jews are. There are lots of different Jewish sects out there so I'm not sure it's a universal belief or, like our Protestants brothers and sisters, a belief held out of convenience.
Great reasoning Trent 😁
The Catholic Church magisterium's reletively late condemnation of transactional salvation via indulgences in Medieval Europe reveals a serious flaw in the Catholic view of Doctrinal authority.
As a conservative, fundamentalist Christian, it is sad to believe that people did not have the Biblical understanding of Life. Life begins at conception. All abortion is murder. People need to understand that we are not allowed to play God to end life. That is the Almighty's prerogotive. At this point, I feel it is trivial to use past beliefs to denigrade these denominations. Now, today, it appears that we have taken up the banner of Life. Past is passed. Sad as it appears it was. Let's all move forward to promote Life.
protestants are funny fellas
Do you know any?
@@lepterfirefall seen a bunch online
@@PabloVelasco-hr3ko you should get to know some.
@@lepterfirefall I dont particularly care for people who think I am in a pagan, satanic cult. I pray God protects me and leaves them far away from me.
@@lepterfirefall If online behaviour is anything to go by, no thank you
Trent, will you consider joining the Abolish Abortion movement? Pro-Life organizations lobby against abolishing abortion.
Check out the comment I left, Mr. Trent. It's on this very topic. I proposed four questions that I have been pondering for a while, now. Give it a like and a comment, that maybe it can be boosted to his attention.
@Luvurenemy pro lifers want to see abortion illegal just as much as abolitionist do.
@TheCounselofTrent i think another similar point is divorce. RC church has always been opposed to divorce - while Protestant's seem more liberal. this is my perception - haven't done any research. it is plain scripture that Jesus did not approve of divorce.
As a Protestant I feel as if the historical acceptance of abortion is more of a problem of racism than Sola Scriptura. Looking at the history of abortion and its intended use and its current use in black neighborhoods on black fetuses it makes more sense. Same way with looking at the racist history of the SBC and their separation strictly on the issue of slavery and their historical support on segregation and white supremacy
The Protestants I met in pro-life work saw abortion as morally wrong, an abomination before God.
How is Handmaid's Tale a horror story and surrogacy not?
To understand the answer you would need to understand the importance of consent and autonomy to human well being.
Because women agree to the latter even if it is dehumanizing.
@@RachelNichols-writer Women can be convinced to do the most dehumanizing things, see Genesis, It is the fault of Adam in not only failing in protecting Eve from the influence of the serpent but also reifying Eve's error by following her dehumanizing act.
@@UBEUILLBEME I do understand consent as liberals mean it. This includes issues like power differential ... which is absolutely in play with regard to surrogacy.
@@benabaxter If we considered every power differential horrific, life would have to be considered a horror story.
That is one problem with Sola Scriptura.
Since abortion is not explicit in the Bible, some Protestants don't believe it is an essential doctrine. Who determines what is essential?
Abortion seems pretty explicit to me in the Bible.
The problem outside of sola Scripture is your popes can add whatever they want and say it's true...remember purgatory?
@@lepterfirefallpurgatory is true. It's a biblical teaching.
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Purgatory is supported in the Bible. This is not the video to discuss it. If you want to, what is the teaching of purgatory to say it is not in the Bible?
@@armoredplacoderm
Yes, explicit to YOU. That doesn't mean it is not explicit to other Protestants. That is why I said SOME Protestants don't see it as an essential doctrine.
I am a doctor, and a past president of Oregon Right to Life, and I think I was the first Catholic president of that state organization (convert to Catholicism at age 21). There were a few Catholics in the organization, including myself and another Catholic doctor, but the Executive Director at the time was a Southern Baptist, and the other administrators were Protestants of one denomination or the other. However, we did not have a great turnout of Protestant clergy for the rallies and functions. We did have the Archbishop of Portland and other priests and deacons there. My biggest surprise and disappointment was the nearly complete absence of Orthodox clergy at any of the functions. The Catholic Church rightly believes that the bible, and the early church, proscribes against contraception. The Bible presents children as a gift from God (Genesis 4:1; Genesis 33:5), a heritage from the Lord (Psalm 127:3-5), a blessing from God (Luke 1:42), and a crown to the aged (Proverbs 17:6). God sometimes blesses barren women with children (Psalm 113:9; Genesis 21:1-3; 25:21-22; 30:1-2; 1 Samuel 1:6-8; Luke 1:7, 24-25). God forms children in the womb (Psalm 139:13-16). God knows children before their birth (Jeremiah 1:5; Galatians 1:15). Onan did not want to split his inheritance with any child that he might produce on his brother’s behalf, so he practiced the oldest form of birth control, withdrawal. Genesis 38:10 says, “What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so He put him to death also.” (I did pull these references quickly from another article in the interest of time). Most Protestants actually abandoned scripture long ago, except for select passages that they use out of context to "prove" their theology. Now the trans crowd is promoting mutilation of children as a route to normalize child abuse. I submit, and have said all along, that any doctor who transitions children is committing child abuse. We must protect the unborn and our children. These issues surrounding life are sufficient to prove the authority of the one true church. Excellent video and I completely agree with you, as usual.
Dude really said texting and driving, doing crack and cocaine is fine.
It's literally illegal many places. You're still required to follow just civil laws.
Great video but im not wholly convinced by your final conclusions
Doesn't the Bible condemn abortion in the ten commandments?
No. It doesn't.
It's covered under "thou shalt not murder" @@thepalegalilean
@thepalegalilean of course it does. The 5th commandment not to commit murder
@@thepalegalilean yes, the 10 Commandments prohibit abortion in the Commandment Not To Murder. The Liar taught the proabortion crowd that abortion was not murder, just as he taught Eve that to eat the apple was not truly disobedient. The Liar was wrong, Eve was wrong, and the proaborts are wrong.
@newglof9558
The issue is that the commandment would only apply to abortion if the Bible definitivly affirms the humanity of the fetus. The Bible doesn't do this. This is why it is necessary to understand the Bible through and with extra Biblical sources.
As a reformed Calvinist I do agree with you Catholics are more consistent when it comes to this issue and I think I’ve done a better job.
Thanks for sharing! -Vanessa
Wishing you a good day as well, Trent
-protestantism-
The current president calls himself pro-choice and catholic, but your leadership doesn't have the cajones to excommunicate him for being in open opposition to Catholic doctrine and thereby committing the sin of scandal (among many others).
I don't want to hear you whine about the past position of protestants on abortion when that situation is current and relevant.
As a Belgian (confessional) Protestant, the issue is conformity with the world. Not willing to be persecuted, at least, that is how it is within broader EU.
The church has become fat and lazy and is not ready to lose everything for Christ. We love our stuff and reputation, not willing to lose it.
Ukrainian refugees (mainly Baptists) hold us a mirror of our lukewarmness.
And despite being a Protestant, I commend the RCC in my country for standing up to abortion.
Though very few in number (faithful RCC), they are the ones with a few organizations being pro-life while Protestants have basically none here, to our great shame.
As a theologically conservative protestant I am with you fully Trent. I've said it before and its worth repeating: conservative catholics & protestants have far more in common in the way the live their lives and what world they seek to make and live in.
We, both catholics & protestants that are liberal, insofar as I have experienced are so far apart from the conservative ones that they appear alien. Abortion is one of those subjects. Yes unfortunately for us both our liberal wings are pro-abortion to the point of making it one of their religious beliefs, taking it onto their branch of Christianity to our shame and abhorrence.
Many Protestants are close on the idea of ending government abortion but Protestants still have to come to terms with how abortion is funded.. Abortion clinics can only stay open if they receive family planning money. That is why today abortion clinics have taken on the new role of transgender medicine. They need money. It has gotten worse because now mainline pharmacies and even Amazon offer tel-med services for the abortion pill.
@@MS-pm4dc We theologically conservative Christians honestly are losing ground within our own branches internally and losing ground externally of Christianity.
Christ has given us much work to do and called use to sacrifice. Let us be found doing his work when he arrives and not idle.
May God strengthen us for these good works we are to walk in. In times of favor and times of strife.
@@neoturfmasterMVS ❤
When (Some) Protestants Were Pro-Choice
Fixed that video title for you.
@@Lone-Leeand nowadays, most catholics are prochoice. It's almost like the moral failings of a denomination doesn't inherently discredit it!
@@emmagrace6396, sure, the moral failings of individuals in a denomination doesn't discredit it.
*But* when those moral failings are *directly linked to their teachings,* it does indeed discredit the denomination as a whole.
For example, in this case it's the Protestant teaching of Sola Scriptura that lead to them being Pro-choice.
@@Lone-Lee Scripture does not support pro-choice. You don't need anything beyond scripture to be pro-life. You don't need anything beyond basic biology to be pro-life.
Also your argument is weird. Pro-choice """Catholics""" exist. Catholic Church has no doctrine of Sola Scriptura so I guess that's not what leads people to abortion.
@@armoredplacodermI think this part of the video could help you 12:17
@@lonelyberg1808 That did nothing for me. Quite a weak claim actually. Abortion is not a new issue. Furthermore, no, the Bible is quite sufficient in the arena of morality. The Bible teaches eternal moral principles. Then you apply those eternal moral principles to the """new""" and """unique""" situations in your life, none of which are new or unique.
Yes, there is a place for the church. The conflict comes into play when the church contradicts or appears to contradict scripture. When a protestant church is corrupt or teaches falsely, protestants have an out. When the Catholic Church is corrupt or teaches falsely, Catholics have no out.
Back in the early 2000s, I was an Episcopal Priest, having a parish in Council Bluffs, Iowa. I formed an ecumenical pro-life group, in response to Planned Parenthood's buildling of a 'clinic' in the city. Many Catholics were in this group, and they would say to me, "We're so glad you've done this, as we can't get our priests involved." I have since left the Episcopal Church AND Council Bluffs, but as I understand, this group still exists today. Your critique of Protestantism is valid in Mainline Protestant churches (I myself was persecuted by my Diocese because I "brought my divisive views into the parish.") but not valid, in my experience, with most evangelical Protestants. And I must say also, in my time in Council Bluffs, NO Catholic priest came to our meetings. I must say I'm rather disappointed with your report.
Your individual experience may vary--from the generalization which is true, admit it.
Well, Trent is mainly a polemicist. The video topic itself is just rhetoric and polemics. Trents trying to make people think "Protestantism" (as if it's an organization and not an umbrella term) is liberal by it's very nature, he of course will avoid discussing the rampant liberalism in the American RCC (places like LA, Joe Biden being given communion, etc.). That would undermine all his points.
Trent's argument is not that Protestants are less pro-life than Catholics but that Protestantism is less pro-life than Catholicism. The Catholic Church has been far more consistent in its teaching than Protestants on this issue. There was a time when even the Southern Baptist Conference officially supported abortion. This was never the case in the Catholic Church.
@@TheMeatyOne360Catholicism is defined by the Church magisterium, not the individual beliefs of self-identifying Catholics. Trent is arguing that Sola Scriptura, arguably the foundational doctrine of protestantism, cannot reliably determine truth. And this is shown by Protestant groups contradicting _themselves_ over time on serious moral issues.
@@TheMeatyOne360 You sound like the polemicist. Trent is point out facts that you apparently dislike. Or: what fact he gave is incorrect?
Masturbation. Bad
Sex slavery. Who am I to judge
My parents were married by a Methodist minister in 1950. He said that the Methodist Church was staunchly in favor of birth control, because the denomination believed all children should be planned and wanted.
I'm an only child, in part, because my father was the youngest of three, and my mother was the youngest of eight.
My mother, who was staunchly pro-choice, was of the position that pro-choice and pro-life were both lousy positions.
Pro-choice is lousy, because it's basically a procedure that could have been avoided with birth control.
Pro-life is a lousy choice, because of rape, incest, potential health issues for the mother, and potential health issues for the child after birth.
Of course, I know Mainline Protestants who are pro-choice for one of two reasons. A. Catholicism is against it. B. Evangelical Prostestant denominations are against it.
It's this mindset that I know some Protestants I know are staunchly in favor of women in the ordained clergy.
Trent you were doing so well in mending fences between protestants and Roman Catholics. Why are you putting this wedge between them now? If you want to play the game of "when X group WAS bad" then you're going to have to address the atrocities within the history of the Roman Church as well. You've used an argument against atheists in that you shouldn't condemn an entire religious group just because some people within it get it wrong.
Exactly. Although, I’ve seen some Catholics actually deny that indulgences and pagan practices happened to cause the Protestant reformation. Yeah, so Luther was worked up over nothing 😂
Luther was an admitted liar. He argued for bigamy and allowed a prince to take a second wife. He then said lies for the good of the church were acceptable. You can verify this for yourself by reading it in Concordia Theological Journal.
It is a valid example to bring up to critique a problem with sola scriptura. I'm not just pointing out Protestant pastor scandals or something like that. It is the bad effect of a bad paradigm, sola scriptura, which still continues into the present with many self-identified Protestants being unable to condemn the act of masturbation (even apart from lust) or surrogacy.
@@TheCounselofTrent except protestants weren't following sola scriptura when they failed to stand up for life in the womb. If they had been following sola scriptura the. they would have trusted what scripture says about life in the womb. Instead they were following culture pressures and their own sinful hearts.
Just because some prodistants have a stupid view doesn’t mean a Christian has to be Catholic to be validly pro-life.
Catholicism doesn’t tell us “thou shalt not murder” the Bible does.
@tell-me-a-story- What I’m gathering is that the argument is not “Catholicism tells us ‘thou shall not murder’” but rather that Catholicism says that this applies to abortion (or at the very least the early church outside of the Bible clearly applied this to abortion). You won’t get that stance from sola scriptura, but only from a teaching outside of what’s written in the Bible that also originated from the apostles; not as an addition but as an authoritative interpretation.
That’s what I’m gathering the argument to be.
@@samueljennings4809
I mean, I think you just need science to see that.
Obviously, the unborn is fully human, and it’s not a part of the mother, (Like a tumor or organ or something)
And it’s obviously not doing anything that warrants execution, which means any regular Joe can see that killing it is murder.
(It’s willful ignorance that makes people think otherwise,)
I mean, even pagans could see it.
The original Hippocratic oath in Ancient Greece included a passage where young doctors vow not to give pregnant women abortive herbs like rue.
This happens when protestants thinks like half baked when lead by protestants Martin Luther..
Small Fundamentalist groups are a voice. Because that voice is animated by the Holy Spirit which can NOT ever by silenced.
They are a voice recently but that was not the case for many years prior as pro-life groups have been run by and whose participants have been Catholics. You cannot show up at the end when Roe is overturned and take credit for the movement that has been going on for 60 years.
5:35 I’ve always, to some extent, supported separation of church and state, at least in the U.S. Even under a completely secular government, though, it makes no sense for abortion to be legal. The procedure kills another human being, something that every religion and moral philosophy should be opposed to.
For Catholics, anti-abortion is a theological matter. For Protestants it's a Christian nationalism matter. For no one is it a secular matter.
I'm a Protestant and abortion is absolutely a theological matter. The only reason we know human life is valuable is because of God, nothing to do with Nationalism
False, see the group secular pro-life: secularprolife.org/
@@TheCounselofTrent That group is founded on an ideology "of life" taken from Catholic theology that was specifically developed by a Catholic priest. Claiming the word "secular" is meaningless unless your ideology actually conforms in some way to secular standards and so-called "secular pro life" is not secular in any meaningful way.
@@mikekukovec4386 I'm not going to argue against your position that Christian Nationalism is a theological matter. Conceded.
Ben Shaprio routinely argues that abortion is wrong without bringing up any religious arguments. He opposes it on scientific grounds.
I can't help but to wonder if Trent made this video in a bad spirit towards protestants. His historic account by the end of the video turned out just to be rhetoric or a polemic against Protestant theology.
The case of this video can be summarized by " look how inconsistent historically Protestants are with this novel moral issue and look at the superior moral fortitude of the Catholic Church"
I've spent much time in church history, and it is easy to find moments in history where the Catholic Church has had bad position or was not morally developed and required quazi-reform. But the holy spirit acted infallibly and corrected the Catholic church over time. We see the same thing with Eastern Orthodoxy which might make the convincing argument that they have been more morally consistent in history. And now, we see the Holy Spirit acting infallibly within the sincere Christians of protestantism as they grow in understanding.
I think he is trying to demonstrate how Sola Scriptura leads to a depth of problems when it comes to moral issues. The problem is not the Protestants themselves, but the false doctrine of sola Scriptura
and what is that? dogma is not the same as practice.
@@johnisaacfelipe6357 One example is the Catholic Church's stance on usury. In the Middle Ages, the Church condemned the charging of interest on loans as morally wrong. Over time, however, the Church's position evolved, and by the 19th century, it accepted the practice of charging reasonable interest.
The teaching on abortion falls into the same category as the teaching on usury in the Middle Ages. Both are moral teachings rather than dogmas. While they have been strongly upheld by the Church, they are not defined with the infallibility and permanence associated with dogmas.
On a theological level we could also talk about St. Maximus to confessor who had his tongue cut off by the Catholic church before they realize that he was actually right for that I say thank God for the holy Spirits work in correcting the church.
@@Geralt400 We still abhor usury ie charging of interest. Read Vix Pervenit, nothing has changed, we tolerate it because those who are beholden to it, ie the borrowers, are not at fault in not being able to survive in a world that is ruled by interest without engaging in interest acrueing loans.
We call for those who loan out money to not loan out money with interest. So you're still wrong :D
@@johnisaacfelipe6357 While it is true that "Vix Pervenit" reaffirms the condemnation of usury, the Church's practical application of this teaching has evolved. Historically, any interest on loans was condemned as usury. However, in modern times, the Church tolerates reasonable interest, recognizing the complexities of contemporary economics and the necessity for loans in today's world. The differentiation between usurious (exploitative) interest and reasonable interest rates reflects this evolution, indicating a shift in the practical stance while maintaining the moral principle against exploitation. This nuanced change demonstrates an adaptation in the Church’s application of its teachings rather than a rigid, unchanged position.
Really? If we want to talk history, we could mention the Great Schism, three concurrent popes, and when the Catholic Church was in favor of the death penalty. Let's stay focused on important doctrinal issues and not stoke passions of the faithful here who love a dog fight.
I don't think this is a problem with Sola Scritura; that being that scripture is the only final authority. Isn't it, instead, that these liberalized divisions caved to social pressure?
Catholic Church today is very weak in teaching her own doctrine.
We have a catechesis issue, yes. This is not news.
@@newglof9558 We have catastrophy, not an issue.
Are you very sure? So how come Catholic teachings against abortion according to God's law...?
@@tomeypaul2212 Can you explain your question more explicite?
Your title was a purposeful choice. It could have been worded more truthfully by using the word "some" or in a different way altogether. Choosing to word messages in a way that is inflammatory would be a sin if it pushes a person away from Jesus. Is this kind of attitude towards others inviting? Do you like thing worded towards your ideas the same way? Protestants can be as wrong as they want, but that doesn't mean you can sin in response. You know that.
Seriously? If it was true that prots in general were more or less pro-choice - then it can stand. It seems like most protestant nations were quick to allow abortions, so it is not far fetched for me to believe (apart from the evidences presented in this video). Please specify what kind of title you would accept and why..
@@mortensimonsen1645 What? I already did what you asked.
1. Add the word some (or reword the sentence) to indicate the reality that not all Protestants believe the same thing. Which is obvious. Catholics don't.
2. Because it's a sin to do things you know could push people away from Jesus.
If you can lump all the bad Protestants together with the good, we can do the same thing with the Catholics. That solves nothing and makes everything worse.
Please stop the hate train, don't add coal!!
You know that the presence of individual exceptions does not invalidate a rule. you know that, right?
@@ethanmiller5487 So the title should be "When some protestants were pro-choice" according to you. That would give the opposite impression, that only some protestants were pro-choice, but most weren't. If the case was that most protestant churches were more or less pro-choice, the heading seems entirely correct to me. Maybe the title could have been changed to "When most protestant churches were pro-choice" - would that suit you better?
Be careful before you use too strong language about this headline. Every time you make a generic observation about some phenomenon, you could easily fall under your judgment. I would agree with you if the headline was misleading. After viewing the video I don't think so. The video could itself be wrong, as well as the book, but I have no information to the contrary.
@mortensimonsen1645 I didn't make a generic observation. I was specific. Were all Protestants pro-abortion? NO! Are all Catholics anti-abortion? NO!! I ask for people to be aware of how their messages will come across to others and to speak in the most true manner, but I'm doing something wrong?
I own this. As a high school and college student, my view on abortion was apathetic. I was a Cultural Christian in so many ways, Laodicean I would say. Then, the veil came off my eyes. It was God who showed me, not a church. I had always looked upon this evil as an unfortunate choice for the mom. But, the Lord showed me the horrific evil brought to the child. He showed me Old Testament accounts that children were sacrificed to Moloch. I was sickened by my empathy.
Lately, God Is showing me the stain it has on the parents who make this God-like choice to end an innocent life. They do not come out of it the same or changed in a good way, usually. Some repent and show remorse for what they have done, but most have let this stain take over their lives.
This is a Christian issue for baby and mom.
I would like for Trent to do a video about theocracy vs our modern system of church and state. And if there could be any middle ground to have any possible alternatives that are better than now.
With all due respect, considering that a vast number of professing Catholics voice being pro-abortion in some way or another now, I wouldn't talk too loudly if I were you.
This is a bad objection because the Catholic Church still condemns it despite those who break the rules. Even pro-choice “Catholics” knows the Catholic Church condemns abortion, whereas within Protestantism pro-choice Protestants are convinced the Scriptures alone do not condemn abortion.
Irrelevant
"professing Catholics", like Biden do you mean? Or Catholics who follow Church teaching? which?
Yes, there have always been people who protested against the Truth taught by the Catholic Church.
@@johnyang1420yeah ditto for this video
Wanna be Catholic so bad, but their view on contraception is more holding me back than any of their dogma
The Catholic view on contraception is 100% true. Do you really think God would design sex reproductively just for you to strip that very nature from it?
You can always just make up your own religion and not worry about being formed by something bigger than yourself or founded by Christ. But I bet you feel that wouldn't be right. Following Christ is hard, my friend. But trust me, there's nothing on earth that I'd ever exchange for obedience to Christ. You're in my prayers.
God will give you grace, as you join the church and recieve the sacraments to overcome, your carnal affections and attachments. Join brotha.
Go Anglo-Catholic and avoid all the unnecessary clutter of the Romanists.
Edit: Remember Natural Law in a fallen world is a dodgy foundation and unnecessarily adding to Scripture. And the Word of God.
You shouldn't look for a Church that makes you comfortable. Look for the True Church.
If the Catholic Church teaches something to be wrong, you shouldn't break away from it or start your own "church". Instead, you embrace it and pray that God grant you the wisdom to understand the truth!
Dan I did not know this about many Protestants and churches which honestly as a non catholic if I knew I would have called them as false teachers and false churches, know of course things are different but like I said that does not discard the issues in the past. I would also say that one of the issues you did Trent horn was that almost non of the evangelicals used that type of thinking (sola scriptura) to justify there actions. Seems you made a mistake trying to insert sola scriptura in some of these issues. In the case where something moral is not explain though in the Bible best thing to do is not to leave for anyone’s discernment or feelings but to simply not engage in such actions.
I was raised Protestant and was shocked to find out how many today voted for abortion. I hope for the day that people start calling the family unite, ESP the babies being born.
The fruits of sola scriptura are rotten yet again! No prophecy of scripture ever came from ones own interpretation.
No prophecy ever came from what the Roman bishop thought of scripture either; all prophecy is from God is it not?
@@mikekukovec4386 And so is his church!
Mr. Horn, Sola Scriptura is not the problem. You do not give a fair criticism of Protestantism. The reason those denominations held to those wicked views was precisely because they had abandoned a proper understanding of Sola Scriptura. Every denomination you quoted was, at that time, heavily influenced by theological liberalism which has a lower view of the sufficiency of Scripture and it's nature as God's Divine Revelation. This was even the case with The Southern Baptist Convention prior to the Conservative Resurgence. These groups of protestants began changing their belief about the Holy Scriptures, particularly in the 19th century. They no longer believed that The Bible is The written Word of God, they believe it only "contained" the Word of God. This resulted in the changing of moral stances they once held. You never mention the strong stands historic conservative Protestants made such as Confessional Lutherans, Confessional Presbyterians and Conservative Anglicans. This distinction may be unfamiliar with members of the Roman church because you do not have or seek doctrinal unity, and never have. You have hierarchical unity that allows an ever widening spectrum of theological viewpoints, even on basics tenants such as justification. This was even prevalent at The Council of Trent with the divisions between the Dominicans and Franciscans. Confessional Protestants hold to a confession of faith rooted in the Church's historical tradition that shows an interpretation of scripture and is not held equal to God's infallible Word. The three historic branches of Protestantism are Lutheranism, Calvinism, and Anglicanism. The Confessional branches hold to the original expressions of these reform movements within God's Church, and even between the three there is remarkable unity on basic and some secondary doctrines. This is because they take the plain reading of Scripture seriously. As for Rev. W.A. Criswell, he did support abortion until later in life, he then became a staunch opponent of abortion and publicly repented of his hand in supporting abortion. The examples of onanism and surrogacy as being viewed as permissible highlight the many theological problems with enthusiast traditions such as American evangelicalism who do not have a solid root in Biblical Christianity or how to apply Biblical principles. Confessional Magisterial Protestants don't have this problem because we are a part of historical Christianity and understand the nature of Sola Scriptura is not a "my Bible and me" mentality. We don't need a magisterium to know that concubinage is sinful, that is one of the points the Scriptures are making when it brings them up. We can all see the messes it makes. Christ gives clear teachings on marriage as does St Paul. We do like St Athanasius did when he defended the Divinity of Christ, He did not ask Rome or a magisterium what to think, he went strait to The Scriptures and applied their truths in continuity with the Faith passed down throughout the ages, even when the hierarchy was against him. As did Augustine and Luther with the controversies of their own days. "Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful." Hebrews 10:23 ESV
@HunterMcLain Sola scriptura is what gives man the power to interpret Scripture however he wants. That's why there are so many denominations. Nothing but chaos and disunity has come out of the Reformation based on Sola Scriptura, no matter how you define it.
You should be aware that in the 1960s through 1990s especially early years, it felt like abortion was accepted by 70 to 80 percent of the people. so it seemed acceptable or popular to say the things these Pastors said. Society has changed but these Pastors should have been courageously outspoken then. This is not to say that all Catholic Bishops and priests were outspoken but some were. and Pope reaffirmed, Catholic politician "I am personally opposed BUT
As some others in the comments section have suggested, it seems essentially inconceivable that masturbation could be performed without lust.
What I tell my fellow Baptists is that, you can separate church and state, but you can't separate state and God.