I had a K6-2 350MHz back in the day. I upgraded it to the K6-III 400 because I couldn't get a 450. It worked quite well for me back in the day. I had an EPoX MVP3G board. They aren't the fastest chips from that time period, but they work great in a lot of games from the time frame. Glad to see you fixed that socket. A lot of people would have thrown it out. Glad to see the hardware preservation.
WOW thanks for this video, the level of detail I don't have to now research for myself is a real time saver! I recently stumbled across your channel in your repair video for the Compaq Presario.
Feels strange to, 20-25+ years later, realize that both AMD and cyrix cpus were actually quite good in the socket 3 to 7 era. Sure amd 486 up to 100 MHz were "standard" but the faster variants were really uncommon where I grew up. And the k6 2/3 were uncharted territory. A friends Mother bought a everex explora mini system as a christmas present to him and his brothers, more a punishment then a present actually.. K6-2 450 with 64mb ram and integrated gfx, we did what we could adding memory and voodoo 2 cards but it was a sad experience 🤣
Yes! There is indeed! 2MB max cache size, but I would also have to replace the tag ram. Maybe some day I'll try adding another MB of level 2 cache, but first I need to get better at soldering.
Hi, thanks for your videos, I do enjoy all of them. But I expected something different for this one :) but you were lucky you didn't have to replace the full socket... which I need to do, where did you get the socket replacements? I need one for an aladdin V super socket 7 board
I found them on ebay while I was on a trip to US. I think there were only a couple of ads for Socket 7. I hope you'll find them and good luck with replacing such a socket. I have never done a socket replacement, but I shiver just thinking about doing it!
I actually got it for free. Original price on ebay was around 140 USD after tax. But due to this fault, the seller refunded the money not requiring the board to be sent back.
Correct, that's what I've seen from a pin-out diagram. I think I said it also in my October Channel Update video. Either way I had to open the socket because it would screw up any CPU that I'd place in the socket.
@@bitsundbolts Yea and you would have to disassemble it either way. I have only just discovered your channel. You have some interesting content over here...
@@bitsundbolts if you ever get via apollo pro chipset board with tualatin suport, there is a mod you may want to do to it due to a bug bioses for those boards can't simply use pci/agp dividers and to get any overclocking done on those boards it is best to insolate bsel 1 and bsel2 pins in the secket and add external jumpers for bus select. because if cpu demands 133mhz bus even if it is celeron 566 on 66mhz bus board will work fine with as if it was 1133mhz celeron on 133mhz bus and would aply pci and agp clocks correctly, if you set them in bios or by jumpers on board that way agp and pci would get 100% overclock and board would not post, aply to any via chipset for s370/slot1 they could aso run sdram on ridiculous speed for some reason have fun getting one of those
I have an Asus P5A board running the same CPU but I had to hardware-mod connections to pins on the CPU socket for K6-2+ compatibility with the board and I believe I'm getting limited PCI/AGP bus performance. I'd like to compare Unreal timedemo framerates. That's what I'd like to see: K6-2+ at 600MHz, Voodoo 3 3000, Unreal timedemo at 1024x768.
@@bitsundbolts I assume you don't have any Voodoo3's of any type cuz I could adjust my card's clock speed to match one of the other models if you did. Actually I have one of each of the Voodoo3 models now but my V3-2000 is PCI, all others AGP. If you're ever in upstate NY I'll let you borrow one :)
Correct, I do not have any Voodoo 3 yet. But I'll keep looking and will eventually get one. Edit: Thank you for your offer. Unfortunately, I am about 14 hrs away from NY.
It depends on what you need to fix. I only had to lift the socket cover and bend a metal plate back into position. A plastic prying tool was enough. Replacing an entire socket on the other hand requires a desoldring station
From what I've read is that most AGP cards have trouble on socket 7 boards. Voodoo 3 seems to be compatible as it doesn't implement AGP features - basically a PCI card made compatible to the AGP interface. I'll try to figure something out to create some interesting content
@@bitsundbolts would be an interesting video to see what gpus work best on agp on socket 7 . i vaguely remember having a socket 7 board with an agp card
@@bitsundbolts I used VIA based board with AGP Riva 128 card and there were no problem, only VIA AGP drivers had to be installed. I think that most problem with AGP on this board is when you try to use more modern, power hungry card. Because voltage stabilizer for AGP is not designed for it and overheat.
AMD K6 series were great value at the time. However, I have no idea why you're using them in a retro machine. Pentium was far superior, just unaffordable at the time.
I am not building a retro machine. Just playing around with old hardware and sharing it on TH-cam - guess I am going to be making more videos - including Pentium soon
Ah ok I misunderstood. Good video anyway. The "pencil trick" for AMD Athlon and Athlon 64 was a good one back then, that could be interesting... especially with the direct die heatsink mounting. It was on the more modern Socket A boards though.
I had a K6-2 350MHz back in the day. I upgraded it to the K6-III 400 because I couldn't get a 450. It worked quite well for me back in the day. I had an EPoX MVP3G board. They aren't the fastest chips from that time period, but they work great in a lot of games from the time frame. Glad to see you fixed that socket. A lot of people would have thrown it out. Glad to see the hardware preservation.
Fantastic, so much more useful than showing perfect execution.
Happy to hear that you find it useful. No need to hide as we can learn from other people's mistakes. Thanks for watching!
This is the first time I saw under a cpu socket! It's good information.
You could test the oldest and newest games that are playable on such a system.
Same here - well, I saw some when I had to do research, but I definitely didn't expect that shape of metal for each pin hole.
Success is when you've fixed one more thing than you've broken ;)
Very nice mobo. Good job.
Haha! Very true!
🤣
Great that it was just the top part as I thought it might need to be resoldered and all that plastic might have melted! :)
Can't wait to see what you do with this and future works
WOW thanks for this video, the level of detail I don't have to now research for myself is a real time saver! I recently stumbled across your channel in your repair video for the Compaq Presario.
Glad to hear that the video was helpful to you!
Very nice vídeo, thanks to you I will have a clue about this stuff when It happen to me!
Feels strange to, 20-25+ years later, realize that both AMD and cyrix cpus were actually quite good in the socket 3 to 7 era. Sure amd 486 up to 100 MHz were "standard" but the faster variants were really uncommon where I grew up.
And the k6 2/3 were uncharted territory.
A friends Mother bought a everex explora mini system as a christmas present to him and his brothers, more a punishment then a present actually..
K6-2 450 with 64mb ram and integrated gfx, we did what we could adding memory and voodoo 2 cards but it was a sad experience 🤣
good sense of humor! :)
Looks like there's room for an additional cache chip on the board.
Yes! There is indeed! 2MB max cache size, but I would also have to replace the tag ram. Maybe some day I'll try adding another MB of level 2 cache, but first I need to get better at soldering.
Hi, thanks for your videos, I do enjoy all of them. But I expected something different for this one :) but you were lucky you didn't have to replace the full socket... which I need to do, where did you get the socket replacements? I need one for an aladdin V super socket 7 board
I found them on ebay while I was on a trip to US. I think there were only a couple of ads for Socket 7.
I hope you'll find them and good luck with replacing such a socket. I have never done a socket replacement, but I shiver just thinking about doing it!
Good going!
Thanks!
Hope you got it for cheap. Nice repair :)
I actually got it for free. Original price on ebay was around 140 USD after tax. But due to this fault, the seller refunded the money not requiring the board to be sent back.
That particular pin is a "No Connect", so it would have been ok to desolder or break off the damaged contact if everything else had failed. ;)
Correct, that's what I've seen from a pin-out diagram. I think I said it also in my October Channel Update video. Either way I had to open the socket because it would screw up any CPU that I'd place in the socket.
@@bitsundbolts Yea and you would have to disassemble it either way. I have only just discovered your channel. You have some interesting content over here...
Glad you like it. Hope to bring more interesting stuff in the future!
populate the non populated chip spot.
non populated spots drive me nutz
i love how the oryginal socket is just a s370 with unused holes
Still have to get to S370. Next will be Slot 1 for me - probably with S370 adapters.
@@bitsundbolts if you ever get via apollo pro chipset board with tualatin suport, there is a mod you may want to do to it
due to a bug bioses for those boards can't simply use pci/agp dividers and to get any overclocking done on those boards it is best to insolate bsel 1 and bsel2 pins in the secket and add external jumpers for bus select. because if cpu demands 133mhz bus even if it is celeron 566 on 66mhz bus board will work fine with as if it was 1133mhz celeron on 133mhz bus and would aply pci and agp clocks correctly, if you set them in bios or by jumpers on board that way agp and pci would get 100% overclock and board would not post, aply to any via chipset for s370/slot1
they could aso run sdram on ridiculous speed for some reason
have fun getting one of those
Thanks for letting me know! Will definitely keep this in mind!
I have an Asus P5A board running the same CPU but I had to hardware-mod connections to pins on the CPU socket for K6-2+ compatibility with the board and I believe I'm getting limited PCI/AGP bus performance. I'd like to compare Unreal timedemo framerates. That's what I'd like to see: K6-2+ at 600MHz, Voodoo 3 3000, Unreal timedemo at 1024x768.
Now I just need a Voodoo 3 3000 ;)
@@bitsundbolts I assume you don't have any Voodoo3's of any type cuz I could adjust my card's clock speed to match one of the other models if you did. Actually I have one of each of the Voodoo3 models now but my V3-2000 is PCI, all others AGP. If you're ever in upstate NY I'll let you borrow one :)
Correct, I do not have any Voodoo 3 yet. But I'll keep looking and will eventually get one.
Edit: Thank you for your offer. Unfortunately, I am about 14 hrs away from NY.
You can overclock a Voodoo3 2000 to 3000 speed if you add a fan to the heatsink. I did that in my K6-2 system back in 2000.
What tools do I need to fix socket please?
It depends on what you need to fix. I only had to lift the socket cover and bend a metal plate back into position. A plastic prying tool was enough.
Replacing an entire socket on the other hand requires a desoldring station
5:04 --- cannot believe i murdered a smt capacitor on a TNT2 the same way....
3dfx voodoo2 upgrade
you broke a resistor
get the fastest pci card that supports 9x id be curious to see what is the fastest pci card and the game and demoscene performace
It also has AGP support, wonder if it is really that buggy as many people say.
@@bitsundbolts oh thats neat so gret the fastest gpu with 9x support . im wondering if the agp shares the bus with pci devices
From what I've read is that most AGP cards have trouble on socket 7 boards. Voodoo 3 seems to be compatible as it doesn't implement AGP features - basically a PCI card made compatible to the AGP interface. I'll try to figure something out to create some interesting content
@@bitsundbolts would be an interesting video to see what gpus work best on agp on socket 7 . i vaguely remember having a socket 7 board with an agp card
@@bitsundbolts I used VIA based board with AGP Riva 128 card and there were no problem, only VIA AGP drivers had to be installed. I think that most problem with AGP on this board is when you try to use more modern, power hungry card. Because voltage stabilizer for AGP is not designed for it and overheat.
AMD K6 series were great value at the time.
However, I have no idea why you're using them in a retro machine. Pentium was far superior, just unaffordable at the time.
I am not building a retro machine. Just playing around with old hardware and sharing it on TH-cam - guess I am going to be making more videos - including Pentium soon
Ah ok I misunderstood. Good video anyway.
The "pencil trick" for AMD Athlon and Athlon 64 was a good one back then, that could be interesting... especially with the direct die heatsink mounting.
It was on the more modern Socket A boards though.