Thnx. Answered all of my questions. Restoring a 70yr cherrywood desk my grandfather built and wanted to bring it up a level by lining the inside. Now I can with no worries. Greatly appreciated sir!
I'm glad I could help. There is more on the subject on my web site: www.gerstnertoolchest.com Terry gerstnertoolchest.shutterfly.com/restorationdetails
Thanks for this! Just found your channel after you responded to my post on the Gerstner Forum about a handle repair. Putting glue on the sides first to prevent getting it on the bottom felt is a helpful tip! I bought Gerstner felt and had a friend who is a quilter help me cut it to fit. I'm going to use Titebond hide glue.
Damn brother that looks fabulous. You are right the red on mahogany is awesome. Thanks for video. I am researching felting for a shadow box I am making.
Already did a Gerstner some time ago. Looks good. I am going to do something similar to a metal tool box. Going to put in a luan liner and cover that in felt. For all my tools and special treasures. Hide glue is very good and so is Gerstner felt.
Just found your channel and page. Subbed both. Great content! I'm restoring and keeping a very old Gerstner leatherette 7 drawer. The felt is in pretty good shape except for the top. I believe in keeping with Gerstner restoration supplies but all I need is one piece of felt! Any alternative to 3 yards of Gerstner felt for just one piece? I don't want to use just craft felt?
Are you using regular felt like what you would buy at a craft store? Or is there a type of felt you have to buy for jewelry boxes? Were do you get your hide glue?
I did try craft store or fabric store felt... It did not work!! It stretched out of shape and was loose and floppy. I use sized felt especially made for lining drawers in machinist's tool chests. not jewelry boxes! It is stiff and thick enough to maintain its shape for cutting and installation. I get mine from Gerstnerusa.com, exclusively. gerstnerusa.com/shop/part-1008-green-felt/ I buy my granular hide glue on Ebay, by the pound, www.ebay.com/itm/132351369939 Terry
I use hot hide glue, as was used in the originals. I prefer the ground type, such as Behlen's or Mohawk hide glue, which can be found on Amazon and elsewhere. There are others available, but I do not recommend the liquid hide glue in squeeze bottles because of its cost and difficulty applying it. www.amazon.com/M-MOHAWK-M745-4006-Mohawk-Ground/dp/B07V7HRY7R/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=behlen%27s+hide+glue&qid=1567934307&s=gateway&sr=8-1 It is mixed with water and heated in a small crock pot. I mix the water and glue in a quart size zip lock plastic freezer bag and suspend it in the water in the crock pot until the glue reaches a temperature of about 140 degrees or more. I then insert the bag and contents into a small plastic cup and fold the edges of the bag back and over the sides of the cup to reveal the hot glue, as shown in the video.
Iain, I use hot animal hide glue, as they did on the originals. I have details about the process on my web site: Check Amazon or other sources. I prefer to use the granules and mix them with hot water. gerstnertoolchest.shutterfly.com/
If you plan to use the hot hide glue, you have some time to make adjustments before it sets up, unlike contact cement, etc. It depends on how thick a coat you kay down and how hot it is.
Thanks for this! I've just applied baize to a table of mine and the glue has come through. I watched other videos on TH-cam where they said this was fine, and saw the glue coming through also on their demonstration. But now that it's dried, you can still see patches - darker spots - of goddamn glue on the baize, meaning the finish is blemished. Any ideas why this has happened? If there is anything that can be done about it?
Sean, I had to Google baize and found that it is a felt-like material used to cover pool tables. The felt used in these boxes is stiffer and heavier than that. I have not experienced bleed-through of the glue when using it. I suspect that the material is at fault, rather than the glue or the application of it. I you used hot hide glue, it can be softened and removed with hot water. Try again. You may want to use a more substantial material next time. gerstnertoolchest.shutterfly.com/
I have never used it. It's way to expensive to pay them to liquefy it, and I love the way the the granules dissolved in hot water works. Other guys have used it with mixed results, but I just don't see the point...
You can, but please don't! As one who had had to deal with that later, when removal was necessary, I would definitely discourage the use of wood glue. Hot hide glue is the preferred medium for installing felt and has been for over 100 years, and with good reason - It adheres well and is readily released with hot water. Wood glue is a nightmare to remove!
Great video 🙂 I'm rather new to this kind of thing but love your work. I'm actually thinking of making a storage box from a Jerry can. I noticed you're using hot glue,can I use a hot glue gun? Is it the same thing? I always thought it might melt it 😅. I've seen self adhesive sheets online too. Any help at all is greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance ☺️
In a word - NO! The glue used in glue guns bears no resemblance to the hot hide glue used to fasten felt into a chest. How would you propose to spread the glue before it set up? Hide glue is made from the collagen in animal hides and is mixed with hot water and brushed onto the surface before the felt in applied. Self adhesive sheets suck! They stretch out of shape and stick when they shouldn't. I've tried them all...
Have you tried titebond hide glue? I haven’t used the bottle I have but it looks much thicker than the liquid you used or is that the point of heating it?
At 4:40 you said you can reactivate with hot glue later. What do you mean? Hot glue from a hot glue gun? Reapplying new hot hide glue? What about staining in that case?
I would not recommend getting hide glue from Stew Mac. It is just too expensive. Search for hide glue granules in google chrome for better and less expensive sources....
I use Behlen ground hide glue when I can find it, but there are others out there. www.ebay.com/itm/Ground-Hide-Glue-16-oz-powder-veneer-cabinet/382034720454?hash=item58f30b36c6:g:pKEAAOSwuLZY5~h2 Google "ground hide glue". I have not had much luck with the liquid hide glue. Terry
It is generically called Hide Glue. Remember when they threatened to send horses to the glue factory? This is made from the collagen in animal hides. I get mine from a guitar makers supply house. Or on EBAY.
DO NOT attempt to use fabric or craft store felt. It just will not work. It is too floppy and stretchy. Email me directly and let me know how much you need. trush5247@gmail.com Terry www.gerstnertoolchest.shutterfly.com www.terrystoolboxes.com
Thnx. Answered all of my questions. Restoring a 70yr cherrywood desk my grandfather built and wanted to bring it up a level by lining the inside. Now I can with no worries. Greatly appreciated sir!
I'm glad I could help. There is more on the subject on my web site: www.gerstnertoolchest.com
Terry
gerstnertoolchest.shutterfly.com/restorationdetails
Thanks for this! Just found your channel after you responded to my post on the Gerstner Forum about a handle repair. Putting glue on the sides first to prevent getting it on the bottom felt is a helpful tip! I bought Gerstner felt and had a friend who is a quilter help me cut it to fit. I'm going to use Titebond hide glue.
Damn brother that looks fabulous. You are right the red on mahogany is awesome. Thanks for video. I am researching felting for a shadow box I am making.
Love the attention to detail
Great, Terry! Thx!
Already did a Gerstner some time ago. Looks good. I am going to do something similar to a metal tool box. Going to put in a luan liner and cover that in felt. For all my tools and special treasures. Hide glue is very good and so is Gerstner felt.
Great tutorial. I love hack with the bag of glue.
THANK YOU...for sharing. Very nice.
Just found your channel and page. Subbed both. Great content! I'm restoring and keeping a very old Gerstner leatherette 7 drawer. The felt is in pretty good shape except for the top. I believe in keeping with Gerstner restoration supplies but all I need is one piece of felt! Any alternative to 3 yards of Gerstner felt for just one piece? I don't want to use just craft felt?
awesome! i was wondering if i could use my hide glue to glue felt inside my wooden quiver :) ty!
I have never felted a quiver, but, in theory, it should work. Just don't expect fabric store felt to work well.
Are you using regular felt like what you would buy at a craft store? Or is there a type of felt you have to buy for jewelry boxes? Were do you get your hide glue?
I did try craft store or fabric store felt... It did not work!! It stretched out of shape and was loose and floppy. I use sized felt especially made for lining drawers in machinist's tool chests. not jewelry boxes! It is stiff and thick enough to maintain its shape for cutting and installation. I get mine from Gerstnerusa.com, exclusively.
gerstnerusa.com/shop/part-1008-green-felt/
I buy my granular hide glue on Ebay, by the pound,
www.ebay.com/itm/132351369939
Terry
Thank you very much sir for the information!👍👍
Is the brand called High Glue? Curious about brand or type you are using. Thank you for your video!
It's a type called Hide Glue
What kind of glue?
Thanks for the video. What glue are you using?
I use hot hide glue, as was used in the originals. I prefer the ground type, such as Behlen's or Mohawk hide glue, which can be found on Amazon and elsewhere. There are others available, but I do not recommend the liquid hide glue in squeeze bottles because of its cost and difficulty applying it.
www.amazon.com/M-MOHAWK-M745-4006-Mohawk-Ground/dp/B07V7HRY7R/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=behlen%27s+hide+glue&qid=1567934307&s=gateway&sr=8-1
It is mixed with water and heated in a small crock pot. I mix the water and glue in a quart size zip lock plastic freezer bag and suspend it in the water in the crock pot until the glue reaches a temperature of about 140 degrees or more. I then insert the bag and contents into a small plastic cup and fold the edges of the bag back and over the sides of the cup to reveal the hot glue, as shown in the video.
Iain, I use hot animal hide glue, as they did on the originals. I have details about the process on my web site: Check Amazon or other sources. I prefer to use the granules and mix them with hot water.
gerstnertoolchest.shutterfly.com/
www.amazon.com/Mohawk-M745-4105-Ground-Clarity-2-Pack/dp/B088X2N4YH
This is helpful
I am restoring an antique safe - I was going to felt the shelves - 24X15 - How much time do I have to work with the glue on a larger area
If you plan to use the hot hide glue, you have some time to make adjustments before it sets up, unlike contact cement, etc. It depends on how thick a coat you kay down and how hot it is.
@@terrystoolboxes Thank you, my order from Amazon for the Hide Glue somehow got canceled, I ended up using Elmer's and it worked like a charm
Thanks for sharing
Thank You..
yeah but what glue can we easily buy ?
www.amazon.com/Pound-Hide-Instrument-Making-Cabinet/dp/B07PKFKT27/ref=sr_1_5?adgrpid=1341404750625098&hvadid=83837868033378&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=102121&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvtargid=kwd-83838143591127%3Aloc-190&hydadcr=8369_10796244&keywords=granulated+hide+glue&qid=1657740542&sr=8-5
Thanks for this! I've just applied baize to a table of mine and the glue has come through. I watched other videos on TH-cam where they said this was fine, and saw the glue coming through also on their demonstration. But now that it's dried, you can still see patches - darker spots - of goddamn glue on the baize, meaning the finish is blemished. Any ideas why this has happened? If there is anything that can be done about it?
Sean,
I had to Google baize and found that it is a felt-like material used to cover pool tables. The felt used in these boxes is stiffer and heavier than that. I have not experienced bleed-through of the glue when using it. I suspect that the material is at fault, rather than the glue or the application of it.
I you used hot hide glue, it can be softened and removed with hot water. Try again. You may want to use a more substantial material next time.
gerstnertoolchest.shutterfly.com/
Terry, Can liquid Hide Glue be used?
I have never used it. It's way to expensive to pay them to liquefy it, and I love the way the the granules dissolved in hot water works. Other guys have used it with mixed results, but I just don't see the point...
Can I use regular wood glue?
You wanna get HIGH glue.
What glue was this?
granulated hot hide glue: www.earthpigments.com/hide-glue/?msclkid=cff61ea9fa5e1aae44947a638ead6a30&**LP%20Shop%20-%20Catch%20All&Catch%20All
You can, but please don't! As one who had had to deal with that later, when removal was necessary, I would definitely discourage the use of wood glue. Hot hide glue is the preferred medium for installing felt and has been for over 100 years, and with good reason - It adheres well and is readily released with hot water. Wood glue is a nightmare to remove!
Unfortunately, I have only white glue available.
@@DianaLDiehl That's just not true. Granulated hide glue is widely available.
@@terrystoolboxes Perhaps where you are. I am in a rural area in Mexico. I have the glue I brought with me. No leatherworkers where I am.
@@DianaLDiehl Search Ebay for Hide glue granules...
What is hide glue?
is velvet ok with hide glue too?
I never tried it with velvet, but I would be afraid that the glue would seep through the material. Gerstner's felt works best for me.
No. Velvet is too absorbent. It will soak up the glue and make a mess!
Great video 🙂 I'm rather new to this kind of thing but love your work.
I'm actually thinking of making a storage box from a Jerry can. I noticed you're using hot glue,can I use a hot glue gun? Is it the same thing? I always thought it might melt it 😅. I've seen self adhesive sheets online too. Any help at all is greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance ☺️
In a word - NO! The glue used in glue guns bears no resemblance to the hot hide glue used to fasten felt into a chest. How would you propose to spread the glue before it set up? Hide glue is made from the collagen in animal hides and is mixed with hot water and brushed onto the surface before the felt in applied. Self adhesive sheets suck! They stretch out of shape and stick when they shouldn't. I've tried them all...
Have you tried titebond hide glue? I haven’t used the bottle I have but it looks much thicker than the liquid you used or is that the point of heating it?
At 4:40 you said you can reactivate with hot glue later. What do you mean? Hot glue from a hot glue gun? Reapplying new hot hide glue? What about staining in that case?
Use a second coat of hot hide glue, being careful not to stain the existing felt. Do not use a glue gun!
what kind of glue is that?
Hot Hise Glue. See replies below:
I would not recommend getting hide glue from Stew Mac. It is just too expensive. Search for hide glue granules in google chrome for better and less expensive sources....
what kinda glue?
I use Behlen ground hide glue when I can find it, but there are others out there.
www.ebay.com/itm/Ground-Hide-Glue-16-oz-powder-veneer-cabinet/382034720454?hash=item58f30b36c6:g:pKEAAOSwuLZY5~h2
Google "ground hide glue". I have not had much luck with the liquid hide glue.
Terry
www.amazon.com/Mohawk-M745-4105-Ground-Clarity-2-Pack/dp/B088X2N4YH
Granulated hide glue
It is generically called Hide Glue. Remember when they threatened to send horses to the glue factory? This is made from the collagen in animal hides. I get mine from a guitar makers supply house. Or on EBAY.
Stew Mac?
Well thank god for the comments…. HIDE glue is the glue to use!
Very cool brotha man!! Thank you.
DO NOT attempt to use fabric or craft store felt. It just will not work. It is too floppy and stretchy. Email me directly and let me know how much you need. trush5247@gmail.com Terry
www.gerstnertoolchest.shutterfly.com
www.terrystoolboxes.com