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A materialist essay on the beaver wars.

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  • There are numerous interpretations of the beaver wars, the majority of these are varying degrees of inadequate. Thus I thought it necessary to present a reexamination.
    I don't necessarily disagree with all of the serious good-faith work that has been done on the subject, rather I think it presents an incomplete picture.
    Some of this leans into social justice rants, I apologize as I usually try to avoid politics, but In researching the subject I was frustrated with how many people I’ve seen uncritically spouting rancid garbage. As much as I dislike it, condescension is the appropriate response to bigotry.
    The first part of the video presents some of the difficulties, as well as strawman arguments of the better narratives and presents a model for how I think the period should be considered.
    The second part presents a theory of balance.
    The third parts present those aspects which were changed by contact.
    The fourth part is my conclusion.
    The fifth is some afterthoughts.
    It should further be noted that for the most part within this video I attempt to speak in an amoral mode about many nasty subjects. I think moral/immoral language is inherently reductionist, and thus serves as a barrier to understanding. However I ask that you do not mistake this amorality for endorsement.
    This project took months of reading and weeks of editing and I am not altogether happy with the result. I will not be attempting something of this scale any time soon.
    Link to patreon if you are so inclined.
    www.patreon.com/user?u=3998481

ความคิดเห็น • 220

  • @scottjustscott3730
    @scottjustscott3730 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Klaus Kinski throwing away that squirrel monkey like a cashed cigarette butt is the pinnacle of cinema. 😂

  • @samuelmercier11
    @samuelmercier11 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    I'm a scholar working on the French side of the "Beaver Wars" and your analysis matches mine. The Iroquois intensify their raids on the French and their allies only after 1642 and the settlement in Montreal, a territory they claimed as their own. After 1664, the plan to "exterminate" the Iroquois was circulating among French officials, and would be put into action with a series of punitive raids against Mohawk villages in 1666, a method that would be revived periodically until 1701.
    I also find it odd that some historians try to explain the wars on complex ritualistic practices, beaver pelt business or inherent violence, while it is quite easy to understand French settlement as an existential threat for the Iroquois. I often run into trouble stating this with colleagues, though, as many will retaliate that it was also an "existential threat" for the French, even though the majority of French settlers by 1666 were... soldiers sent to the colony to exterminate the Iroquois.
    The genocidal aspects of the French colonial project are still very much controversial, nonetheless, and many disagree with me on this. I hope this point will go through eventually. I find your explanation intersects very well with the documents I've been working on, and with my own reading as someone who works from a different perspective.
    Your self-criticism is a bit too harsh, though. I find your work really fascinating and useful. Keep up the good work!

    • @MalcolmPL
      @MalcolmPL  ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Thank you for that.

  • @Methus3lah
    @Methus3lah ปีที่แล้ว +101

    The section on how guns shape warfare was so well-written and informative that it earned a subscription by itself.

    • @fasted8468
      @fasted8468 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      This guy is the most thorough and intelligent speaker on youtube. He goes into details which may bore people. But those people aren't worth reaching.
      I'm astounded. I would adopt his manner of speech and mannerisms if I could. The simplicity and in depth nature is inspiring.

    • @raf155
      @raf155 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Could not agree more.

    • @hiddenwoodsben
      @hiddenwoodsben ปีที่แล้ว +2

      same

  • @jfuentes207
    @jfuentes207 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    This was beautifully made! I'm watching it a second time. More essays please!!

    • @MalcolmPL
      @MalcolmPL  ปีที่แล้ว +53

      We’ll see how this one performs. It was an absurd amount of work.

    • @milanetc4865
      @milanetc4865 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@MalcolmPL Appreciate your work

    • @brightmooninthenight2111
      @brightmooninthenight2111 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yes deeply appreciated, thank you

  • @warriorsesh619
    @warriorsesh619 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    As someone who studies African military history what happened with the Atlantic slave trade in West Africa has some similar themes, however one of the many differences is that those African states were able to fight the Europeans on more or less equal footing well into the modern era. So the dynamic is more on settling century year old rivalries and greedy power grabs. Upstart gun armed states knocking out the older status quo and inspiring other to do the same creating a power vacuum that the Europeans later exploit.

    • @toddberkely6791
      @toddberkely6791 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      which in turn sound like the maori musket wars

  • @wyattw9727
    @wyattw9727 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Always great to see a video essay which is actually on essay worthy material and not pop media lore.

  • @denezhoo
    @denezhoo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    This was... I am so impressed and stoked with your channel. Your writing, I feel, lends me inspiration to contribute my own. I really really loved the section on alcoholism. I feel that conversations about substance use are too far skewed to the substance or the user (usually the latter), rather than about the external factors of capital interest and intergenerational trauma. I imagine this took a lot of effort and time and you said yourself the research was difficult at times, and for your work, I want to make sure I properly thank you.

    • @MalcolmPL
      @MalcolmPL  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      If that is the element of the essay you found most interesting you might try the book, "Dying to please you: Indigenous suicide in contemporary Canada." By Roland Chrisjohn and Shaunessey MacKay. Which I heavily drew from thematically with regards to the section on alcohol.

    • @denezhoo
      @denezhoo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @MalcolmPL Got a PDF, and Based on the preface, I have high expectations of it. Thanks!

  • @5h0rgunn45
    @5h0rgunn45 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    So in summary, it was a brutal time period and everyone was taking what they believed to be the best course of action to ensure the best outcome for their people. The Iroquois were the ones with enough luck, strategy, and tenacity to come out on top. Thanks for your thoughts on the subject, the history of the eastern woodlands is a topic of fascination to me.
    I think it's most useful to think of the Beaver Wars not as a single event or even a chain of events, but rather as a historical period like the Victorian Era in Britain or the Sengoku Jidai in Japan. It can be helpful for the student of history to look at the events within it as a unit. Even if some events are only tangentially related, they all took place within the same cultural and geopolitical milieu.

    • @mohicanmachine99
      @mohicanmachine99 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well put

    • @JackJackKcajify
      @JackJackKcajify 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And this should be obvious to any serious reader of this history.

  • @natchapman7121
    @natchapman7121 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    this is really good! i can't imagine the reward is gonna be worth the effort for you to do this regularly, but i'm grateful that you were willing to make this.

    • @MalcolmPL
      @MalcolmPL  ปีที่แล้ว +35

      TH-cam punishes effort. But it is what it is.

  • @jamesellsworth9673
    @jamesellsworth9673 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    My wife and I grew up in Upstate New York: she lived in Oneida, my home was in the Iroquois heartland and we lived near the Onondaga and the Mohawk Nation's current reservations. By Chance or Fate, my youngest grandchildren are twins: citizens of the Chickasaw Nation of Oklahoma. I am learning a good deal from your approach to this topic and your knowledge of Historical methods and of Ethnography.

  • @baphometsvomitcomet2350
    @baphometsvomitcomet2350 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    "I will try not to launch into a socialist tirade"
    "Anyway capitalism is an abomination"
    Mood

  • @skyl4rk
    @skyl4rk ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I have been trying to understand the impact of the Roman Empire on germanic tribes. Your explanation gives some insight to the chaos of a time when empire destroys the old tribal ways.

  • @ricksmith9256
    @ricksmith9256 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Came for the iroquois armor, stayed for the history. Great work! 👍

  • @ericmckinley9455
    @ericmckinley9455 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The people's need someone like yourself to create a real story documentary. Your approach to this difficult topic is proof you were given the breath of life, to teach and educate. Again thank you and blessings to you and your family

  • @p3ter9000
    @p3ter9000 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Really appreciate how all of your videos aren't simply a pop historian relaying other works, but genuine, critical historical investigation.
    This illuminates so much of history that is difficult to find even to the experienced amateur history consumer.

  • @spoutnik7703
    @spoutnik7703 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    In my opinion, this video is the best you've done on your channel. It deserves more likes and views.
    In France we study and analyse more and more our coloniaslist past since the last twenty years, but the main focus is on our role in Africa and Asia ( to a lesser degree), our impact on north America is still completly unknown to the general population and it's mainly seen as an Anglo-Saxon disgrace. This kind of videos put things back in the right order.

  • @wmd40
    @wmd40 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks so much for all your videos. Always searching for more info on the Iroquois. I live in Auburn NY which is in Cayuga county and the historic seat of the Cayuga Nation. There's a modern cemetery on Fort Hill now, which was a fortified Cayuga village built on a mound. It's a mound in the middle of the city to this day, except it's been destroyed and torn up and turned into a cemetery but it is a beautiful cemetery at least and Harriet Tubman is buried there so... that's neat... And yet nobody seems to know or care. There's little to no info about any of it. There's actually multiple mounds in Cayuga county, but most have only a small plaque with little info aside from a description... Goiogouen is a great example. I'm convinced that LIDAR scans of the area would reveal much more. I mention this because even though i grew up on Iroquois land, there's almost no information or historical places to visit and learn. And what info you see in history books and media are written by white people/settlers. Truly am so thankful for your effort on your channel. You're doing great work!!

  • @terrynewsome6698
    @terrynewsome6698 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    This reminds me of the crushing in southern Africa caused by the shift in population density and how warfare was waged.

    • @deoneforpeace
      @deoneforpeace ปีที่แล้ว

      And how they did the Pyramid People....and so on.....But today we call that for what it is and it's called evil.....Because saying that you start again today what their people who are dead now for 4000 years and their war plans dismantled time and time and again.....Anyone can come up with a war plan from antiquity and say they are the same people.....Makes no sense....The Jewish or any other Nation here is not one better than the other.....That's just evilness....gangs stealing money ....abusing their children by them not being free having to live prisoners and used as replacement people in Canada....it's just evil......

  • @JordanSullivanadventures
    @JordanSullivanadventures หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Omg dude you are literally my favorite new TH-cam channel. Your sense of humor is peak dry, flat affect wit, and your perspective and analysis are sorely needed and illuminating.

  • @chrisball3778
    @chrisball3778 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Anything but a 'tedious' essay. I like to think I'm open-minded and reasonably well-informed, but this made me realise how utterly ignorant I was about a lot of what was discussed. This was really well written and I love the choice of images and film clips used to illustrate it. Thanks for putting so much effort into researching this and putting it together, especially as the subject matter is so unrelentingly horrible.
    With regards to Europe also seeing a big upsurge in violence in the 17th century (a topic I'm a little more knowledgeable about), my analysis is that it was essentially a result of emerging capitalism. New military technology alone cannot be blamed, as the overall casualty rate in battles didn't generally get worse in Europe as guns improved. Furthermore, the religious tensions that provided the ostensible motives for many of them weren't particularly new by that stage- the Reformation had begun a full century earlier. What really changed was the size of armies. Global trade and colonialism made states much richer and they could afford to vastly increase the size of their militaries. Not only did this cause far more battlefield casualties, but in addition they didn't yet have reliable logistics for supplying these much larger armies. Troops would feed themselves (as well as the 'camp followers' who often accompanied them on campaign) by pillaging and stealing the food from local populations, causing starvation and displacement on a scale not really seen before. This was made even worse because tens of thousands of people living in close proximity without any form of sanitation made military camps near perfect incubators for diseases that they often passed on to the communities they robbed and ransacked. Capitalism is indeed an abomination.

  • @iDigsGiantRobots
    @iDigsGiantRobots ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I cannot be more grateful for such an excellent essay. Your arguments are well honed. This kind of work helps put into perspective the injustices happening even today from a direct lineage with the European colonisation of the Americas. Not just in North America, but in South America and the Middle East, most recently (and urgently) the ongoing settlement of Palestine. Thank you.

  • @sergeykuzmichev8064
    @sergeykuzmichev8064 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is a great materialistic exploration of first nations history

  • @doculab3d
    @doculab3d ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is profound and larger in scope than the title suggests. You've changed my view of the period to a panorama, adding context to complex events. I've appreciated your commentary thoughout.

  • @zenothemeano4381
    @zenothemeano4381 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Genuinely great video. Truly a rarity on modern youtube. Always love to see your work!

  • @evanfreshman2450
    @evanfreshman2450 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice to hear a native voice on a somewhat obscure topic that shaped our continent.

  • @Cycad1
    @Cycad1 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This is an amazing video. I heard you remark a couple times how taxing this was regarding the horrors and trauma. But I know you don’t need to be told how important it is to be discussed. Thank you for making these videos.

    • @Scodiddly
      @Scodiddly ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm sure he doesn't need to be told, but I would bet it helps to be thanked.

  • @constipatednugget5890
    @constipatednugget5890 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love this video so much, you explain things very well and frame the information in ways that are very easy to understand and emphasise the thesis of your essay. I would really love if you made more!!

    • @MalcolmPL
      @MalcolmPL  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I don't have the time or energy to do something like this very often. Every minute of video can take more than an hour to produce. And generating a novel thesis and doing the research to prove it sound is an infinity of work on top of that.

  • @maurathedancer
    @maurathedancer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I appreciate the point about a society's inevitable recovery from disease/plague and how a pandemic/series of pandemics is not in and of itself an explanation for our ongoing population loss post European invasion. I do not often hear folks discuss the fact that many nations did not have the chance to properly recover from the onslaught of disease due to successions of colonial warfare, slavery, genocidal policies, land loss, and forced relocation. Sgi, thank you!

  • @liquidpiss7368
    @liquidpiss7368 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for making this. It's admirable that you plain stated you won't be making anything like this again soon - god knows it must've been hellish work. If this video is anything to go by, though, you've got a real skill for this kind of long(er) form writing. It's a shame TH-cam doesn't reward this type of video as it should.
    Obviously your analysis of the Beaver Wars was enlightening, but I found the section on the introduction of alcohol especially affecting. Addiction as an inherent or individual failing is among the most harmful fallacies of our age, and it was really gratifying to listen to you give that idea a dressing down.

  • @coywolfoutdoor540
    @coywolfoutdoor540 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I've listened to this 3 times now. It is amazing. Great work!

  • @BobDunlock
    @BobDunlock ปีที่แล้ว

    Usually I don't have time for long form videos but the subject intrigued me and I'm really grateful for you tackling this dense subject that had been completely off my radar until now. Though it is difficult to research atrocities, reporting on them is an entirely different beast and I'm thankful you spent some of yourself in that undertaking as it really drove home the realities of this historical setting I feel are often either sensationalized, misrepresentation, or overlooked. I also appreciated your dry humor throughout which kept things fresh.

  • @haitianfencing
    @haitianfencing ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is one of the sanest arguments I've ever heard about colonialism and violence. Please keep up the work you're doing! It is so important.

  • @AnAmbientGrey
    @AnAmbientGrey ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "...that being said capitalism is an abomination and an unnatural mode of living". Laughed out loud hearing that. Such a blasé, sober acknowledgement of this cursed economic system we live under is something I wholly empathise with.

  • @ImJef
    @ImJef ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow, this is a brilliant video! As someone who never knew much about this time period, I can’t understate how informative and engaging this is.

  • @ianlilley2577
    @ianlilley2577 ปีที่แล้ว

    So i finishes the essay and i gotta say i think this is one of the best you've made. I loved it.
    God willing i will be able to donate to your patreon in a few months, when I finish schooling and get back to work.

  • @13wayz70
    @13wayz70 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The "random indian ambushes" described in stories from this time make a lot more sense when understanding this bounty system.

  • @kellyezebra
    @kellyezebra หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much for this-I can’t imagine it was very tolerable to research and write but the information is vital and well presented. I appreciate your effort to share your knowledge and analysis. Easily outstrips everything I learned about the era in school and contextualizes everything I thought I understood. Thanks again, continually grateful to be a subscriber!

  • @sirepanfried8641
    @sirepanfried8641 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The liqour chapter is going to stick with me forever, thank you.

  • @miketacos9034
    @miketacos9034 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's just amazing that without metal or guns, total war would be so unfeasible... That really took me by surprise.

  • @SGSteeves
    @SGSteeves ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your Alchemy reference related to facts and their final formulations was wonderfully done, and had me hooked for there on in.

    • @DerSchleier
      @DerSchleier ปีที่แล้ว

      Formulations?

    • @wilhelmseleorningcniht9410
      @wilhelmseleorningcniht9410 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DerSchleier if I had to guess, if you think of history as a story, one written by human beings with specific 'recipes', what recipe depending on the kind of story, then it's like a chemical formula almost. You need certain ingredients (this and that socio-economic factors, those leaders, this disease, etc.) added in just the right ways, right times, right amounts, etc. but unlike chemistry it's less a science and more an art, a transformative art of disconnected facts into a whole narrative, a whole history, and thus more in the domain of alchemy. History in a sense can be thought of as a formulation, a formulation of facts that in and of itself also discloses on the biases and worldviews of its formulator, just as alchemy did on the alchemists (and to be honest on all things)

  • @brandoc.5936
    @brandoc.5936 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All your points are well explained and autocriticised.
    I admire your work and your narration style.
    Keep up with this!

  • @lokotahsanborn1561
    @lokotahsanborn1561 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is an incredibly well researched video and it’s also as entertaining as it is informative, I really appreciate this

    • @lokotahsanborn1561
      @lokotahsanborn1561 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Also, always here for socialist tirades lol

    • @raak4070
      @raak4070 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lokotahsanborn1561 always

    • @Scodiddly
      @Scodiddly ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lokotahsanborn1561 Are they tirades if you generally agree with them, though? I do.

  • @banksnlb
    @banksnlb ปีที่แล้ว

    This has been one of the best videos ,in this format, I have ever watched on youtube; great work.

  • @captaincobop
    @captaincobop ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your channel is a gem. Your way of thinking resonates with me.

  • @GreatLakesWar
    @GreatLakesWar 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am studying the colonial history of Wisconsin and its unusual and unique alcohol culture (I am local to Port Des Mortes- AKA Deaths Door- history well shrouded, green bay being alcohol consumption captiol of the continent) my research has lead me to your videos. what a rabbit hole it has become.

  • @a.p.2356
    @a.p.2356 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another thing to note about how guns impact war (and conflict more generally) is that they're fairly easy to use. Being an effective combat archer required a huge amount of training and physical endurance. This is particularly true of European heavy bows, which had extremely heavy draw weights: a random person cannot pick up a bow and reliably kill someone with it.
    That is not the case with guns. The strength of the person wielding the gun doesn't make much of a difference, and the skills needed to fire, reload, and march in a straight line are far easier to train than the skills needed to hit someone at range with a bow.
    With the introduction of the gun, you could quickly train a larger portion of your population into effective fighters in a much shorter time, and each soldier killed represented a smaller investment of resources. A skilled archer killed in battle will take years of dedicated training to replace; a guy with a musket can be replaced in a few weeks.

    • @MalcolmPL
      @MalcolmPL  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      This is not a useful angle to my subject, this is a culture where your average man would be a fairly experienced archer and where a strong archery tradition persisted until about 1900.
      It's a different equation when you're talking about a society of hunters instead of a society of farmers or factory workers.

    • @a.p.2356
      @a.p.2356 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@MalcolmPL That's a really good point; if a substantial amount of your culture's calorie intake comes from being able to shoot a bow, I imagine finding talented archers is a lot easier to do.

  • @Alorand
    @Alorand ปีที่แล้ว +3

    1:03:00 Wait, is Neutrals a name of a tribe I haven't heard of? Or is it some category of neutral and unaligned tribes? I recognize all of the others.

    • @MalcolmPL
      @MalcolmPL  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The Neutrals occupied what is now south west Ontario. They were a poorly documented Iroquoian people. They were supposed to be the largest and most powerful group in the eastern woodlands. Numbering between 40 and 50 thousand.
      The French called them Neutrals because they didn’t take a side in the Iroquois-Huron wars.
      I don’t know if their proper name has survived, the Wendat called them Attawandaron, which means those people who talk funny.

    • @Alorand
      @Alorand ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MalcolmPL Thank you. I am Slavic myself, and our word for Germanic peoples is very similar to calling them 'Mutes' meaning that when we were first deciding what to call them, the most important thing was that they couldn't talk "normally" like us Slavs - which roughly means "people of the word" in the most commonly proposed etymology. So Attawandaron makes a lot of sense, as long as you aren't calling them that to their faces. Sorry for using the word Tribe. I just watched your video on the topic. I wish there was a better term in English for it. I am trying to substitute the word 'peoples' (eg. the Attawandaron Peoples) because the core idea is that it is a people group who live far apart yet share enough cultural similarities in their lifestyle to see each other as being fundamentally the same. But it gets more complicated once outsiders start doing the grouping and sorting. Like the Greek historian Jordanes in 'Getica' categorizing all barbarian peoples past the Danube into either Germanic or Sarmatian tribes.

  • @OldOneTooth
    @OldOneTooth ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Also worth considering the sterilizing effects of these diseases on survivors, loss of skills to communities, loss of food production during sickness in addition to those you note. Plus imbalance caused by infection hitting seperated populations at different times.

  • @deanmoriarty1148
    @deanmoriarty1148 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am grateful to you for making this video. I grew up near the eastern shore of Lake Erie and have ancestry from both colonial and first nations sides of this conflict. My families history was “white washed” but but thanks to dna 🧬testing truth is known.
    And though painful, It is good to hear a more accurate telling of our past.
    Thank you 🙏

  • @mollymillions6586
    @mollymillions6586 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The french colonies were partly unappealing to women because the English generally allowed colonists to own land and make their own money, which was an inviting offer for many families. The French colonies were much more restrictive and offered little real economic opportunity outside of fur trapping, so French men would head there to escape legal consequences or turn a quick buck, but there wasn't really any incentive to bring your family.

  • @user-ty5tc2yc7w
    @user-ty5tc2yc7w ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I enjoyed liatening to your essay. As a Canadian of European decent, I learned a lot and like to believe that after having watched this video, moving forwards, am a changed person.

  • @unprofessionalgopnik6827
    @unprofessionalgopnik6827 ปีที่แล้ว

    I absolutely love how informative your videos are

  • @patrickpilkington6241
    @patrickpilkington6241 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You have a really awesome channel and a very keen set of insights based in reality and, perspective of someone who seems to genuinely place himself in a place and time instead of overly reductive anachronisms and low IQ takes.
    I’m really loving my Sunday Morning deep dive into your content.

  • @justicebeske5704
    @justicebeske5704 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'd just like to say I respect and agree with your critique of capitalism, but I'd also like to say that you really are doing a lot in this fight. Capitalism feeds on privatization and control and you help break that down and spread important knowledge and skills in a free way. Building knowledge, stories and non monetized skillsets is such an important tool in building community and resources for people, and goes a long way to stop enclosure, privatization and isolation under capitalism.

  • @lildoe77
    @lildoe77 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "sweet sweet narratives" Still giggling at this

  • @novaenricarter705
    @novaenricarter705 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's sad the way TH-cam works that this probably wont be something you can do often or again but know I appreciated this A LOT

  • @erisu69
    @erisu69 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent and well-researched video. If the pre-colonial situation was a relatively stable mixture of people and cultures, then (to make a chemical analogy) the Europeans added a new and highly reactive element to that mixture that changed absolutely everything. Disease changed the makeup of the population; alcohol introduced new interpersonal challenges that weren't present before; firearms disrupted the previously level military playing field, prompting an arms race that could only end in one way; new capitalist incentives encouraged the ruination and exploitation of both nature and neighbour alike. Just like in chemistry, there's no way a violent reaction like this can be reversed, and little chance that any semblance of the previous order can survive.

  • @dancing_odie
    @dancing_odie ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All in all I do agree with your interpretation of the time period. You look at this mostly objectively and you don't blame any one people in particular but the situation itself. The first nations people were not savage or barbaric, just less advanced. That left them in a vulnerable situation where they had to make hard decisions just to survive. Some of those decisions led to war and it was very likely this was unavoidable.

  • @GreatLakesWar
    @GreatLakesWar 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You have become my favorite historian sir

  • @phunkracy
    @phunkracy ปีที่แล้ว

    Some of the most interesting essays out there. I loved it.

  • @fasted8468
    @fasted8468 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Imagine never seeing metal before and pulling out a deformed lead ball from your chiefs head.
    Imagine taking ten minutes to make a fire and then a magic tube makes it instantly.
    Imagine the loudest noise you can make is a war cry and then something louder than thunder is used agaisnt you.
    The most intimidating things you have ever seen in your life have become satirical jokes, and you become the punchline.
    If we get invaded by aliens im grabbing the closest native american i can just to have someone whos given some thought to this

  • @GeeBaggelius
    @GeeBaggelius 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is a masterpiece brother.

  • @murphylhunn
    @murphylhunn ปีที่แล้ว +1

    46:39 genuinely the best argument for socialism ive ever heard.

  • @johnnadrous1614
    @johnnadrous1614 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing level of analysis, thank you for this one!

  • @ThePurpleclone
    @ThePurpleclone 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent video. For an analysis and overview of the 30 years war, I would highly recommend Matt Christman's and Chris Wade's Hell on Earth series. Spoiler: it's capitalism again. More specifically, it's the emergence of capitalism, the state institutions that are necessary to embody and embolden it, and of a religious movement that stands as proxy and shared social language to express the change of the dominant mode of production.

  • @fiddleriddlediddlediddle
    @fiddleriddlediddlediddle ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If Europe lived lifestyles as the Iroquois did I wonder if they would have ever come over.

  • @frogpastethedyke
    @frogpastethedyke หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yet another reminder of the teaching I never received, and the research I have yet to conduct.

  • @Proctor_Conley
    @Proctor_Conley ปีที่แล้ว

    This was educational, Thank You!
    There's a lot to say & I feel my words will only come up short.

  • @alanthornton4704
    @alanthornton4704 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really appreciate that you made this. I learned a lot.

  • @SnepperStepTV
    @SnepperStepTV ปีที่แล้ว

    Nearby we have a huge museum of indigenous culture, run by indigenous groups. It was my favorite field trip the year we went. I know it is still open, I need another opportunity to go there. It is in Connecticut, and still a ways from me and somewhat difficult to find. Your videos have rekindled the interest I have in having a better understanding of indigenous cultures and I'd love to meet more folks who I can talk with.

  • @kopectate2
    @kopectate2 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I want to thank you for the time and energy you put into making this video. It's very powerful. Even as someone skeptical of anything I was taught in school about indigenous people in the Americas, this is incredibly eye opening. As you mentioned, this was a taxing video for you to create, I must assure you the effort is not in vein and people will discover this video over the years and have the same if not a more profound watching than I had. Thank you again.

  • @miketacos9034
    @miketacos9034 ปีที่แล้ว

    The way you describe the way guns affected the psychology of the fighters... It's crazy to think how the same kind of shock that Europe had in WW1 is what the Native Americans experienced in the 17th century.

  • @nacaclanga9947
    @nacaclanga9947 ปีที่แล้ว

    I cannot answer all questions but on the global scale I definatly do see some factors:
    a) The time period between the 16th and the 19th century is known as the "Small ice age". A time of poorer weather conditions and likely poorer harvests them before.
    b) Early exploration was mostly driven by ruthless, gready happy go lucky man as seen by Columbus and the Concistadors.
    c) Arquebus' had a profound impact on European and Japanese Combat as well. While previously war was the business dominated highly trained professionals (aka knights and samurai), with a clear source of income in peace via the feudal system and some pear pressure to mach certain moral ideal, these where replaced by peasant armies of spear holders and arquebus-man. In the European case the new armies predominantly consited of merchants. These not only overstreched finances of all states but also created problems during times of peace.
    Regarding the musket trade in North America. I think war just turned out to be much more labor and thus cost expensive, with the arival of the musket and there was no longer a sustanable way to pay for a proper defense for everybody.

  • @Grandfly7
    @Grandfly7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this was beautifully made, i understand why you may feel dissatisfied about your lack of a "conclusion" but times of intense brutality don't really ever really have that. not because humans have and always will be brutal, but rather i believe that once this type of brutality does come inti reality it just decimates everything including reason. also as much as i hate to sound like a meme, the things that led to this are still leading to a head and we are living in that timeline right now. maybe the conclusion will come after us.

  • @SevilleOrange
    @SevilleOrange 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much for this. I learned a lot.

  • @imperatorcaesardivifiliusa3805
    @imperatorcaesardivifiliusa3805 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was a very well rounded video with a lot of detail and aspects touched on.I spent some time listening as I worked on projects as I've only heard the Beaver wars mentioned briefly in texts.I liked the mention of the introduction of flint locks and the disadvantages the previous match locks had. I find it very interesting that in Asia they didn't take to the new flint locks and preferred using their old match locks compared to Europe and North America.
    I understand this must have taken some time to source it all but would you consider a similar video on Pontiac's Rebellion? With the Iroquois involvement?
    As for politics I hope the author's distain of capitalism doesn't effect his weapon commissions. As I have been hoping for a future commission.

    • @MalcolmPL
      @MalcolmPL  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It depends on whether I can think of something worth saying on the subject. I have no desire to simply paraphrase someone else’s work.

    • @imperatorcaesardivifiliusa3805
      @imperatorcaesardivifiliusa3805 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MalcolmPL The detail and research you have done on the topic of the Beaver wars is no small feat and so that is understandable. I often wonder how many tales like this are lost between various cultures in the past like the European Mesolithic hunters first encountering the neolithic Anatolian farmers. Or when the neolithic farmers first encountered the Bell beakers. I wonder what tales they would tell.

  • @Scodiddly
    @Scodiddly ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow - thank you for going to the trouble to make this video. Not comfortable material at all, but these days I'd rather understand than be entertained. And this part of history is one of those eras that was glossed over in school, simplified down to yet another "us vs. them" which had to have clear heroes and villains.

  • @miketacos9034
    @miketacos9034 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There’s something about your narration that made real the sheer and utter terror the Natives must have felt facing such a malicious and implacable enemy as colonialism.

  • @ilikecats1562
    @ilikecats1562 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your content is some of the best on youtube

  • @b1laxson
    @b1laxson ปีที่แล้ว

    Found it interesting. Incorporating it into my view will take some processing. I had seen that one of the disease spreaders was the pigs being let loose in the wild by the Spanish. Those pigs being intended to bred to have supplies for the ships in the form of salted pork or live pigs. Today we could call that an intentional invasive species. Pigs being able to spread diseases would be one vector (method of delivery) though wasn't why they were let loose. That overall just being one factor of many you discuss. Currently seeing your view emphasis is toward the rapid impact of technologies shifting the means in a destabilized situation.

  • @katevdm4097
    @katevdm4097 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I appreciate your efforts in making this video so much. Niawen’kó:wa from the North shore of Lake Erie.

    • @MalcolmPL
      @MalcolmPL  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you.

  • @CliffsidePermaculture
    @CliffsidePermaculture 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is a remarkable piece thank you so much for creating and sharing it.

  • @jorrinn1995
    @jorrinn1995 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great work. The effort you put into it was worth it.

  • @sliceofbread2611
    @sliceofbread2611 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just an interesting point on how bullets require hardened steel to be stopped: the japanese used barricades made of wet straw to stop bullets. This is nowhere near as mobile as a suit of steel, but it is movable, and very low tech.

    • @MalcolmPL
      @MalcolmPL  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, but you can say the same thing about a bag of sand.

    • @sliceofbread2611
      @sliceofbread2611 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MalcolmPL i almost did as well, but i found a bag of sand less elegant of a solution compared to wet grass.

  • @lorrainesalisbury9342
    @lorrainesalisbury9342 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi this video is very interesting. In a future video could you maybe elaborate on what you meant when you mentioned the pre-colonial ritualized border disputes? I've heard of this before but it is difficult to conceptualize.

  • @whs4754
    @whs4754 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really interesting stuff. Thank you for your work.

  • @fullmetaljackalope8408
    @fullmetaljackalope8408 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video! I learned so much!

  • @merryweather3713
    @merryweather3713 ปีที่แล้ว

    extremely informative. thank you for making this

  • @GA1313E
    @GA1313E ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, this was fascinating!

  • @toastgod1276
    @toastgod1276 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is a fantastic video sir. Thank you for making this.

  • @pilotravis
    @pilotravis ปีที่แล้ว

    well put together, I learned a lot

  • @hanoverfisk2115
    @hanoverfisk2115 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you see the gaint in the background of that early painting

  • @otherperson
    @otherperson 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Any chance we'll ever get a Kandiorank video by you? I was surprised to hear his name here, if only because he played such a major role in David Graeber and David Wengrow's pop history book The Dawn of Everything.

  • @gabfortin1976
    @gabfortin1976 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    💯amazing research as always man

  • @jfletcher1262
    @jfletcher1262 ปีที่แล้ว

    A sad a shameful history of how mankind has treated one another. Thank you for this piece.

  • @hillbillyhistorian1863
    @hillbillyhistorian1863 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Could you recommend some sources on the Mourning Wars and why you reject the practice as a cause for the war?

  • @johncremeans969
    @johncremeans969 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you thank you thank you I think what you are doing is carefully imagining what it would have been like I have a couple of substantial criticisms about your couple of subjective things you've mentioned but this is really great work the effect of men in dark robes with diseases in these earliest contacts that must've been super direct disruptive two people's View of how life operates I mean absolutely devastating. And ultimately you have no choice but to buy weapons from your superior enemy so that you can kill and steal your neighbors stuff so that you can buy enough weapons to survive now this is brilliant work.

  • @zombehmonkey
    @zombehmonkey ปีที่แล้ว

    Appreciate your work. Thanks mate

  • @JerryDurante
    @JerryDurante ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your perspective on the history of eastern woodland people. What are your thoughts on Prince Philip's war?

    • @MalcolmPL
      @MalcolmPL  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am only superficially versed in it.
      From that superficial study it seems to me that the war could easily have been avoided if the colonial government had had the least interest in behaving decently or policing their people.
      Mohawk behaviour in the war was also extremely disappointing.

    • @JerryDurante
      @JerryDurante ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MalcolmPL Thanks for quick reply. As a history buff I've been interested in the lesser talked about stuff like prerevolution eastern US and Canada. Unfortunately information is hard to come by and the little that is available is Eurocentric. It is nice to hear the other side of the story. Are you familiar with Atun-Shei Films. He did a few video's on Philip's war, which brought it to my attention. Keep up the good work. Enjoy.

    • @MalcolmPL
      @MalcolmPL  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@JerryDurante His videos are very well researched and thought out.

  • @bsh819
    @bsh819 ปีที่แล้ว

    More long-form talks like this please!

    • @MalcolmPL
      @MalcolmPL  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      2000+ pages of research. 6+ months of cogitation. 300+ hours of scripting/recording/editing.
      A lot of work to put into a video that can't earn anything due to the content.
      I'd like to make more like this, as I tend to prefer this type of video, but it isn't really economical for me.

    • @bsh819
      @bsh819 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MalcolmPL Dang. I get it. But keep an eye on the view count, if this one gets big enough that equation could change!
      *Oh I missed the content bit. That's unfortunate.

    • @MalcolmPL
      @MalcolmPL  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Apparently discussions of slavery, genocide and the ills of capital aren't good for selling pepsi and designer jeans.