I've owned this lens for several months and it is without a doubt mighty impressive. I'm predominantly a FF Nikon shooter so the size of the 10 to 25 doesn't particularly faze me. I mainly purchased this lens for video but I've used it many times photographically. Highly recommended 👍
Such an honest skin ... I love your channel and your reviews as much as your photo walks at -25°C. I'm a Fuji-Guy meanwhile (X-T4), had once a G81 with several lenses. I leaved the MFT world but never I would leave the sultanoblog. Greetings from Germany.
Like you, Matti, since I bought this lens, it is the lens that is literally glued to my Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mk3. Before I got this, I thought to myself, who'd be stupid enough to get such a gigantic lens for the m43 system. Then I made the mistake of going into a store to try it out. I found out it was not as heavy as I expected it to be. But more importantly, that extra light that comes through the lens meant that it's like a Prime Zoom (a zoom lens with prime brightness) lens to me. And MOST importantly, I was amazed by the quality of the photos, they were tack sharp. I really only use this lens for photos, as I'm not a video person. I can say, after using this for over half a year, this is THE best m43 lens next to my Olympus 40-150mm Pro. The beauty of the m43 system? I can switch to something smaller e.g. Olympus 17mm f1.8 if I want to go light. m43 is a great system, I hope it grows through Panasonic and OM... thanks for your video. You're justified in saying it's pretty much the best lens out there!
People always dog it for the size, price and range. But the people that actually use it find out that all 3 of these are not an issue. Size: It's only large and heavy if you're using a small m43rds body not designed to handle it. Fits like an absolute glove and feels almost perfectly balanced on a G9. Price: Costs as much as 3 QUALITY sharp Primes. Yet can substitute for 4-5 of them without needing to change anything. Range: 10-25mm a perfect range for 80% of situations. The lens is also so sharp that you can do a major crop and get 100mm equivalent range with very little loss in quality.
@@overnightdelivery Totally agree. At first, I was one of the people who dogged it for size and price and never thought I'd get it. One day I decided (as a bit of a joke as I was hoping to laugh at its size on my OMD EM1 Mk3) to go into a camera store and test it. It was then I fell in love with it. While it is reasonably large, it was well balanced with a camera like the EM1 or the G9, and more importantly, it wasn't as heavy as it looks! And then I was blown away by the quality and the range! People have got to try it instore to get a sense of it. With this lens, I traded in my Oly 12-40 Pro, Oly 25mm and Oly 9-18mm lenses because this 10-25mm lens substituted those lenses (and I don't normally do much in the range in the 25-40, plus I kept my Zuiko 25mm f1.8 lens... this lens is now literally permanently fixed to my OMD EM1...
Dear Matti, I love this lens for both stills and video. I've no complaints at all about its performance. On my first copy the sleeve between the mounting flange and the focal length scale came slightly loose , threatening the weather seal. Several people had this problem. I suspect and hope it was more prevalent on earlier models. I've had no problems with its replacement. Even had I been forced to repair the lens at my own expense I would have done so. The lovely images it gives are worth it to me. Thank you for all the help you give us. Hal Y.
Great video... I too have been using this lens since it launch, and have been using it together with my G9. I use it mainly for photography. If you're a landscape, cityscape, street & portrait shooter (like myself), this is the lens for you! This lens is also glued onto my G9 for 80% of the time... haha... :)
Thank you for your honest review. I would love to own this lens someday. Another host mentioned his [10-25mm f1.7] glue became loose near the base. Just a watch out for other owners. It was recommended to buy new and not used. I'm a new photographer and I've settled with the G9M2 starting with the 100-400mm lens for birding. It's been a great lens, however, like other reviewers, the focus gets soft past 250mm. However, it does enough detail at 400mm that I'm okay with the quality and price-range for my needs. My next lens will be the Leica 35-100mm. Any suggestions for a prime lens for landscape?
Hi Matti. Thanks for your reviews over the years about this lens. This was on my wish list and I finally just ordered one yesterday and its arriving today in time for Springtime Ocean landscapes with flying birds and flowers with butterflies and other insects videos!!! 🙂It helps a lot it was on sale too 😆. Next on my wish list is a good macro lens for my G9.
@@mattisulanto Hi Matti! I just tried it out today on a gloomy overcast day. Was getting high shutter speed choices with zebra patterns at 200 ISO. OMG. Blew my mind! Got a nice shot of an Azalea hand held, and I can't wait to see what it can do from a a monopod/tripod with the faster speeds/sharpness! I hope I can sneak up on some butterflies soon. Pretty sure I will need to stop down the ISO and get an ND filter when the Sun comes out; yielding me yet another learning curve. Looking forward to taking some nature videos too. So exciting!!!
Almost bought one on Amazon and then I saw one in a camera store and that monster lens changed my mind right away. But the photos look amazing it produces.
I owned this lens, it’s fantastic, it’s almost as sharp as Olym’s pro prime lenses, and it covered very useful (20,28,35,50) @F1.7 all the time!!! Imagine you do not need other prime lenses any more, this lens can be used for all shooting activities in the city, buildings, street, portrait, indoor lowlight, anything… and as mentioned, the contrast is superb, much better than the 12-100 pro, the only thing is it’s too big, but not that heavy, you can add another 35-100 or 40-150 if you need additional reach, but as I only use one lens on one body with 2 systems so I still prefer 12-100
@@A1Bokeh That lens has a variable max aperture and it has no aperture ring, so there are some things that are not possible. It's very nice, in video, if you can keep the same exposure through the zoom range. With the 20-60mm you'd have to shoot at F5.6 to be able to do that. However, I'm not saying the S5 + 20-60mm would be a bad choice, far from it, but comparing the 10-25mm and the 20-60mm is really like comparing apples and oranges.
@@mattisulanto I think we can agree the 10-25 is an excellent videocentric lens. Whether it represents good value depends how invested Panasonic are in m43 as a long term video format.
I've got it and love it. Its my main video lens but I've also shot stills as well on the G9. The size (for video) is just right - it sits in my left hand really well and reminds me of broadcast camcorders. It is a little heavy, especially when its part of a rig and the total weight is a lot, and it would be good if it had a little more reach but as Matti says , you can't have perfection. Re price, look out for second hand. It is so rugged it would be a good second hand buy.
I highly recommend this lens for Astrophotography. The Coma and chromatic distortion is unbelievably low even @ F 1.7. It is extremely well weather sealed. My only gripe is perhaps the weight of this lens but it more than makes up for it by having exceptional optics and superb weather sealing. Anybody into wide-field astrophotography/ low light video should seriously consider this lens. Thank you for reviewing this lens.
Absolutely one of the most versatile m4/3 lenses out there for both video and photography, especially the 20mm for astro and landscape, and yes it’s expensive but you get what you pay for 😀
Great Review, Thanks for your Videos. Did you Hand the chance to compare the Panasonic 10-25mm 1.7 with the Panasonic 12-60mm 2.8 that is stabilized as well ?
Thanks. I have not made any side by side comparisons. The constant F1.7 makes this lens unique in Panasonic line up, except for the newer 25-50mm F1.7.
Hey....The lens is amazing. The f1.7 I am in love. but....I notice a flaw but it may not be that big of a deal if you wouldn't use this to film. I bought 2 follow focus units and I put one on the focus ring, and one on the zoom and what I find is that you can't change focal points and zoom at the same time. For example, if you are zooming in and turning the focus ring to a closer focal point, it sticks at whatever focus point you start at and then snaps to the closer focal point once you stop zooming in. If that makes sense. I don't know if anyone has pointed this out but changing focus while either zooming in or out should be something that I would think the lens should be able to do especially for the price. Has anyone experienced this or know why this is? Hello.....? Panasonic?
Quick question. Is your 10-25mm f1.7 autofocus loud enough to where your internal GH6 mic pics up the sound? Just bought this lens new and I’m trying to figure out if I got a bad copy with moderately noisy autofocus or if that’s normal? Would appreciate any advice! Great content!! Thank you!
Thanks. First, I'm no longer a Lumix brand ambassador. Second, I have not tired that lens on the GH6, but as far as I can remember the AF was virtually silent.
I haven't handled this lens, but I hear that it's not as heavy it looks. I just looked it up. AT 690g, it's heavier than the Olympus 12-100 and just a bit lighter than the 40-150 PRO.
Thanks. I have never made any comparison, because I think this zoom and the 25mm prime are for different purposes. You can get sharp photos on both lenses😀
@@mattisulanto for interview videos (plus podcast) and indoor photos, I was thinking of getting the 25mm f1.4 and 17mm f1.7. Smaller and lighter, and cheaper. Is that a better idea for me (if no zooming involved)? The f1.4 on the 25mm is brighter too.
@@mantiq7768 In my opinion the 10-25mm is very good for video and I'd take that over some primes, but that is only my opinion and one opinion😀 There are so many benefits. For example, if you need a variable ND, you only need one or no need to switch the filter between lenses.
I had both but I sold the 25mm f1.4. The 10-25mm is sharper, really sharper even when both lenses are at f1.7. The 25mm is small and lightweight with nice rendering but pretty soft wide open.
Once you have tried this lens, you think why other lenses are of not the same quality. The downside is the size but understandable why it is like that. The rendering is modern Leica-like.
@@mattisulanto Thanks for your kind reply , and forgot to say i had subscribed on this up load of yours . been watching for quite a while now over 2020 , i started with GH2 years ago , now using and really rate the G9 . cheers again for the inspiring content.
Matti i have a question for u,is this true this lens leica 10-25 f1.7 in full frame will be 20-50 f3.4,is it true the aperture doubles to,i was thinking about getting the g9 with a lens for video bokeh,how about the 30 or 56 1.4 sigma,always great to see your vids
This has been covered many times already, so I'm gonna make it short. The aperture is always what it says on the lens, but the pictures/video you are shooting on this lens will look the same as pictures/video shot on a 20-50mm F3.4 FF lens. The pictures you take on the Sigma 56mm F1.4 will look the same as the pictures shot on a 112mm F2.8 FF lens.
Coma, even wide open is almost non-existent. Even Coma distortion is extremely low. No other MFT lens comes close to this Leica. I used to have it on my G9 but now it sits on my OM-1. Very happy
I don't understand the hate with this lens unless your somebody that has G.A.S. and has to have 30 different focal lengths. People don't seem to get the concept of upfront cost. It costs about as much as 3 GOOD prime lenses and then you rarely have to ever change out lenses again. Absolutely love the simplicity of only needing two or three lenses to do it all. It's a tight fit but I can fit all my necessary lenses: Normal to long range zoom, a mic, and flash all in one standard camera bag. It takes long enough to choose the right settings when taking a picture. It's really lame when people have to wait on you to change to the perfect prime as well. And with a G9 Body this lens feels PERFECT. Not oversized at all. As a matter of fact putting smaller lenses on the G9 makes it feel more like a toy, than a pro camera. But I can appreciate the small lenses on smaller bodies. Which is why I also have a Gx85 if I need to travel anywhere.
@@Hot4Wheels I have never even seen the 25-50mm F1.7 in flesh, so can't comment. You'd use either lens depending on if you need a wide angle or a short tele.
For my vídeo work I tend to use two Cameras all the time, and I’m happy to use the Nokton 10.5mm and 25mm f0,95 (stopped down to 1.2 or 1.4). I think that the Leica is a good option for anyone working with a single lens. But for the same price I bought the two Noktons (one used) and a Lumix 12-35 f2.8 for rainy days. And I understand that today there is a tendency to make the equivalence between FF and m43 also at the aperture, but I don't agree! In my opinion this is a mistake. In the depth of field Is acceptable. But aperture, in my opinion, is the measurement of light, and DOF is a side effect (also influenced by other factors). I understand that the aperture and the shutter speed are responsible for the composition of light (in optical terms). Even the ISO, I understand as an “extra” factor, of electronic compensation. Aspects involving noise and ISO should be dealt with in a separate chapter, related to sensor technology. I think that correlations and equivalences do not help at all and are not really important in the work of a photographer. Greetings from the Black Forest!
No manufacturer has ever made a fixed aperture f1.4 zoom lens. There is good reason for that, and f1.7 is already an engineering triumph, as was the Sigma f1.8. At f1.7 this lens is already very large. F1.4 would make it huge. You would probably then say you would get it if they had made it lighter.
@@artistjoh Indeed. I think the f/2 zoom lenses are already a breakthrough. A f/1.4 version of this lens would easily be double the size and cost, for a mere what, 1/3 stop extra? Just underexpose by that much and boost it back up in Lightroom!
I have a GH5 & GH5s and I use the Sigma 18-35mm lens. I would love this lens, but it is so expensive like you guys say... The only thing the Sigma does not have is the weather sealed over the Panasonic Leica. Other than that the Sigma is great, but I do want to the 10-25mm lens!
@@kalisti2323 The question is, will the m4/3 Panasonic cameras be replaced by better models? It seems difficult to sustain two different lines for Panasonic being the underdog.
@@manuelb8808 well thats another question, maybe they make more mft maybe they dont, if the mft cameras available dont meet your demands, maybe another mount would be better? The lens though seems like a reasonable price for what it is, quite unique. Way out of my league anyways XD
@@kalisti2323 Any camera meets my demands however, I would rather spend my money on their S5 with the kit lens than on this lens + another body. M4/3 is ok but when you have to spend equally or more on it than on bigger formats to have comparable results, then questions arise on consumer's minds, don't they?!
@@manuelb8808 £3850 for S5 and 24-70 2.8, £2600 for a G9 and the 10-25, thats about as close as it gets, the 20-60 isnt bright enough at any point to really compare. So a sensible consumer would do their research, and buy into a more expensive FF system for the greater shooting envelope, low light being the strongest case, if that was what they needed. The S5 offers greater low light performance, but that should be obvious from the sensor size! But the G9's AF speed and burst speeds are way beyond the S5, really depends what someone needs. Personally I wanted the speed and system size mft offered, so having an option like this if I dont mind the size is excellent, and while it doesnt equal a FF 24-70 f2.8 it emulates it close enough and is cheaper.
I wonder why you need a zoom for you TH-cam video. Why not just use a small prime like the Leica 15mm or 25mm ? You can bring 3 smalls primes with you for less money and space in your bag than this pricey monster lens.
I don't need a zoom, but I like it much better than three primes. I want to be able to change the angle of view, but I don't want to change lenses. When I take my camera, my one lens and the microphone I know I have all I need. Very simple set up that sits nicely on my tripod and I don't even need a bag. Especially outside changing lenses is an extra effort and more risk to get dirt on the sensor etc. Then I'd need three variable ND filters as well or I'd have to change the filter also every time I change the lens. Then after I changed the lens I'd have to make sure the exposure is the same as it was with the other lens, i.e. turn the ND filter and check the waveform. There are so many things to keep in mind when you are a making videos on your own, that you want to keep the gear as simple as possible. However, this is only my preferred way to do things and some may prefer three primes. Whatever works for you😀
Crazy that this is a 10-min "long-term" review of a Lumix-brand tool, done by a Lumix ambassador, yet only has approx. 20 secs of any results with it. Sure, there might be results in other places on his channel or website or whatever, he claims to use it "every day," but 9 minutes of looking at your face should never, ever, ever be in a video about a tool. If this was a review of your face, I would understand. You use this every day and have nothing to show for it? Crazy.
You just have to watch my other videos or maybe my channel is not for you at all. You tube has a crazy number of crazy and less crazy channels, please browse around like crazy and you'll find something that you can like😀
@Uncle Marwee Well, the purpose of m43 at least for me is the versatility. You can select some small primes as perfect travell setup or you can put on big special purpose lens like this 10-25 for professional video work or 150/2.0, 200/2.8 and 300/4.0 for wildlife. So many options....!
@@_Thumbnail_ I know this shocks some people... but you can actually have Two camera bodies. One for big professional zooms and One for travel. Why not just get Full Frame? Because EVERYTHING will be larger and more expensive if you want to actually take advantage of that extra light and shallow DOF. No way around it. Often times you don't need it unless you specifically shoot at night and aren't allowed to use flash.
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I've owned this lens for several months and it is without a doubt mighty impressive. I'm predominantly a FF Nikon shooter so the size of the 10 to 25 doesn't particularly faze me. I mainly purchased this lens for video but I've used it many times photographically. Highly recommended 👍
Thanks for sharing. I love to hear what other users think about this lens.
I got this lens 2 months ago and it has quickly become a favorite.
Such an honest skin ... I love your channel and your reviews as much as your photo walks at -25°C. I'm a Fuji-Guy meanwhile (X-T4), had once a G81 with several lenses. I leaved the MFT world but never I would leave the sultanoblog. Greetings from Germany.
Wow, thanks for those kind words. Vielen dank😀
@kenguru2005 Ich stehe vor der Entscheidung von der G81 zur X-T4 zu wechseln. Was denkst du jetzt darüber?
Like you, Matti, since I bought this lens, it is the lens that is literally glued to my Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mk3. Before I got this, I thought to myself, who'd be stupid enough to get such a gigantic lens for the m43 system. Then I made the mistake of going into a store to try it out. I found out it was not as heavy as I expected it to be. But more importantly, that extra light that comes through the lens meant that it's like a Prime Zoom (a zoom lens with prime brightness) lens to me. And MOST importantly, I was amazed by the quality of the photos, they were tack sharp. I really only use this lens for photos, as I'm not a video person. I can say, after using this for over half a year, this is THE best m43 lens next to my Olympus 40-150mm Pro. The beauty of the m43 system? I can switch to something smaller e.g. Olympus 17mm f1.8 if I want to go light. m43 is a great system, I hope it grows through Panasonic and OM... thanks for your video. You're justified in saying it's pretty much the best lens out there!
Thanks for sharing your experience.
People always dog it for the size, price and range. But the people that actually use it find out that all 3 of these are not an issue.
Size: It's only large and heavy if you're using a small m43rds body not designed to handle it. Fits like an absolute glove and feels almost perfectly balanced on a G9.
Price: Costs as much as 3 QUALITY sharp Primes. Yet can substitute for 4-5 of them without needing to change anything.
Range: 10-25mm a perfect range for 80% of situations. The lens is also so sharp that you can do a major crop and get 100mm equivalent range with very little loss in quality.
@@overnightdelivery Totally agree. At first, I was one of the people who dogged it for size and price and never thought I'd get it. One day I decided (as a bit of a joke as I was hoping to laugh at its size on my OMD EM1 Mk3) to go into a camera store and test it. It was then I fell in love with it. While it is reasonably large, it was well balanced with a camera like the EM1 or the G9, and more importantly, it wasn't as heavy as it looks! And then I was blown away by the quality and the range! People have got to try it instore to get a sense of it. With this lens, I traded in my Oly 12-40 Pro, Oly 25mm and Oly 9-18mm lenses because this 10-25mm lens substituted those lenses (and I don't normally do much in the range in the 25-40, plus I kept my Zuiko 25mm f1.8 lens... this lens is now literally permanently fixed to my OMD EM1...
Dear Matti, I love this lens for both stills and video. I've no complaints at all about its performance. On my first copy the sleeve between the mounting flange and the focal length scale came slightly loose , threatening the weather seal. Several people had this problem. I suspect and hope it was more prevalent on earlier models. I've had no problems with its replacement. Even had I been forced to repair the lens at my own expense I would have done so. The lovely images it gives are worth it to me. Thank you for all the help you give us. Hal Y.
Thanks. I haven't heard of such problem.
This is an excellent example of what first appears to be folly but for the right job, it is the right lens.
Yes, that is correct.
I've been told this is the M43 version of the sigma 18-35mm. So I may have to pick it up
Great video... I too have been using this lens since it launch, and have been using it together with my G9. I use it mainly for photography. If you're a landscape, cityscape, street & portrait shooter (like myself), this is the lens for you! This lens is also glued onto my G9 for 80% of the time... haha... :)
Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for your honest review. I would love to own this lens someday. Another host mentioned his [10-25mm f1.7] glue became loose near the base. Just a watch out for other owners. It was recommended to buy new and not used.
I'm a new photographer and I've settled with the G9M2 starting with the 100-400mm lens for birding. It's been a great lens, however, like other reviewers, the focus gets soft past 250mm. However, it does enough detail at 400mm that I'm okay with the quality and price-range for my needs.
My next lens will be the Leica 35-100mm.
Any suggestions for a prime lens for landscape?
Thanks. I don't have any specific prime suggestion for landscape. The Leica 15mm F1.7 is great and the Leica 12mm F1.4 is another good one.
Hi Matti. Thanks for your reviews over the years about this lens. This was on my wish list and I finally just ordered one yesterday and its arriving today in time for Springtime Ocean landscapes with flying birds and flowers with butterflies and other insects videos!!! 🙂It helps a lot it was on sale too 😆. Next on my wish list is a good macro lens for my G9.
Thanks! Enjoy your new lens😀
@@mattisulanto Hi Matti! I just tried it out today on a gloomy overcast day. Was getting high shutter speed choices with zebra patterns at 200 ISO. OMG. Blew my mind! Got a nice shot of an Azalea hand held, and I can't wait to see what it can do from a a monopod/tripod with the faster speeds/sharpness! I hope I can sneak up on some butterflies soon. Pretty sure I will need to stop down the ISO and get an ND filter when the Sun comes out; yielding me yet another learning curve. Looking forward to taking some nature videos too. So exciting!!!
Almost bought one on Amazon and then I saw one in a camera store and that monster lens changed my mind right away. But the photos look amazing it produces.
It is a big lens, but not so heavy, and that is why I don't prefer it for photography.
A perfect fit on my G9 for taking family pictures although its weight has kept me from carrying it on long trips.
Thanks for sharing!
The rendering of this lens is awesome, far better than the 25mm or 14mm Lumix.
I owned this lens, it’s fantastic, it’s almost as sharp as Olym’s pro prime lenses, and it covered very useful (20,28,35,50) @F1.7 all the time!!!
Imagine you do not need other prime lenses any more, this lens can be used for all shooting activities in the city, buildings, street, portrait, indoor lowlight, anything… and as mentioned, the contrast is superb, much better than the 12-100 pro, the only thing is it’s too big, but not that heavy, you can add another 35-100 or 40-150 if you need additional reach, but as I only use one lens on one body with 2 systems so I still prefer 12-100
I agree on the build and image quality of the 10-25mm. On the other hand it costs about the same price as the S5 and 20-60mm!
It is expensive, but with the S5 + 20-60mm you can't do the same things. However, the S5 + 20-60mm is a great package too.
@@mattisulanto what do you mean can't do the same things
@@A1Bokeh That lens has a variable max aperture and it has no aperture ring, so there are some things that are not possible. It's very nice, in video, if you can keep the same exposure through the zoom range. With the 20-60mm you'd have to shoot at F5.6 to be able to do that. However, I'm not saying the S5 + 20-60mm would be a bad choice, far from it, but comparing the 10-25mm and the 20-60mm is really like comparing apples and oranges.
@@mattisulanto I think we can agree the 10-25 is an excellent videocentric lens. Whether it represents good value depends how invested Panasonic are in m43 as a long term video format.
@@borderlands6606 Sure, the value is always a personal matter.
I've got it and love it. Its my main video lens but I've also shot stills as well on the G9. The size (for video) is just right - it sits in my left hand really well and reminds me of broadcast camcorders. It is a little heavy, especially when its part of a rig and the total weight is a lot, and it would be good if it had a little more reach but as Matti says , you can't have perfection. Re price, look out for second hand. It is so rugged it would be a good second hand buy.
Thanks for sharing. Really interesting to hear what other users say.
I highly recommend this lens for Astrophotography. The Coma and chromatic distortion is unbelievably low even @ F 1.7. It is extremely well weather sealed. My only gripe is perhaps the weight of this lens but it more than makes up for it by having exceptional optics and superb weather sealing. Anybody into wide-field astrophotography/ low light video should seriously consider this lens. Thank you for reviewing this lens.
Thanks for sharing.
Hi, is it possible to see night photos of this lens?
My nightime favorite landscape lens for 1,5 years.
No shooting without it.
Also milkyway works great.
The only downturn, i forgot, it is not parafocal.
It keeps the the same focus trough the zoom range, but it's not parfocal.
Hi, is it possible to see night photos of this lens?
Absolutely one of the most versatile m4/3 lenses out there for both video and photography, especially the 20mm for astro and landscape, and yes it’s expensive but you get what you pay for 😀
Thanks!
Amazing the size difference between my tiny 12-32 mm and this giant. As long as I don't need the f 1.7 I stick with the tiny size one.
You can of make all kinds of comparisons and be amazed, but comparing apples and oranges is usually amazing😀
Great Review, Thanks for your Videos. Did you Hand the chance to compare the Panasonic 10-25mm 1.7 with the Panasonic 12-60mm 2.8 that is stabilized as well ?
Thanks. I have not made any side by side comparisons. The constant F1.7 makes this lens unique in Panasonic line up, except for the newer 25-50mm F1.7.
@@mattisulanto oh I totally forgot about this one, did the 25-50mm 1.7 come out recently?
@@fthprodphoto-video5357 2021
Hey....The lens is amazing. The f1.7 I am in love. but....I notice a flaw but it may not be that big of a deal if you wouldn't use this to film. I bought 2 follow focus units and I put one on the focus ring, and one on the zoom and what I find is that you can't change focal points and zoom at the same time. For example, if you are zooming in and turning the focus ring to a closer focal point, it sticks at whatever focus point you start at and then snaps to the closer focal point once you stop zooming in. If that makes sense. I don't know if anyone has pointed this out but changing focus while either zooming in or out should be something that I would think the lens should be able to do especially for the price. Has anyone experienced this or know why this is? Hello.....? Panasonic?
For me it sounds really well. This is a good lens of course.
Quick question. Is your 10-25mm f1.7 autofocus loud enough to where your internal GH6 mic pics up the sound? Just bought this lens new and I’m trying to figure out if I got a bad copy with moderately noisy autofocus or if that’s normal?
Would appreciate any advice! Great content!! Thank you!
Thanks. First, I'm no longer a Lumix brand ambassador. Second, I have not tired that lens on the GH6, but as far as I can remember the AF was virtually silent.
@@mattisulanto Ok great thanks for your input! Thanks for taking the time to respond!
Starts with G1 then GH1 and more having GH4 I am Lumix lover I have few Lumix lens and camera bodies I am using since 2008
Thanks for sharing.
Love mine and got it for under £1000 so very happy :)
Wow, excellent price😀
It seems a super lens for micro 4/3 and I would like to buy it for my gh5. The price is very high anyway. Thanks for your opinion!
Thanks.
Thanks Matti; I have never handled this lens and wonder whether you find it heavy for a micro 4/3 camera?
Thanks. It's not heavy at all, it only looks heavy😀
Fantastic lens. Got it about a year ago for my GH5,.
Thanks.
Marcus for a few seconds I though you were holding an L mount lens. Yes an interesting lens.
Is this alot bigger than the 12-35 f2.8? The extra width and faster f stop seems worth it though! =)
It's a lot bigger than the 12-35mm F2.8 but not very heavy.
Its BIG! Not sure whats the weight,but maybe it could be to heavy to use direct on tripod for the oly omd em5 mk3 with its "tripod mount issue"
I haven't handled this lens, but I hear that it's not as heavy it looks. I just looked it up. AT 690g, it's heavier than the Olympus 12-100 and just a bit lighter than the 40-150 PRO.
Nice informative video. How would you rate this compared to the 25mm Panasonic Leica f1.4? The prime lens should be better at that fixed focal length?
Thanks. I have never made any comparison, because I think this zoom and the 25mm prime are for different purposes. You can get sharp photos on both lenses😀
@@mattisulanto for interview videos (plus podcast) and indoor photos, I was thinking of getting the 25mm f1.4 and 17mm f1.7. Smaller and lighter, and cheaper. Is that a better idea for me (if no zooming involved)? The f1.4 on the 25mm is brighter too.
@@mantiq7768 In my opinion the 10-25mm is very good for video and I'd take that over some primes, but that is only my opinion and one opinion😀 There are so many benefits. For example, if you need a variable ND, you only need one or no need to switch the filter between lenses.
I had both but I sold the 25mm f1.4. The 10-25mm is sharper, really sharper even when both lenses are at f1.7. The 25mm is small and lightweight with nice rendering but pretty soft wide open.
@@slows728 do you find any difference between f1.4 and f1.7 in darker settings?
Once you have tried this lens, you think why other lenses are of not the same quality. The downside is the size but understandable why it is like that. The rendering is modern Leica-like.
No. No. No. Stop it. Stop endangering my bank balance by encouraging my desire to get this lens :)
i got it and regret nothing
All those years and I am still lusting for this lens. I know I do not need it - it's an emotional desire!
It's also called GAS. There is no known cure for it but if you buy something it can work as a short term help😀
@@mattisulanto you're certainly barking up the right tree. I own 21 Micro Four Thirds cameras as of this month... And tons of other systems.
@@thedarkslide 😂
Nicely presented with good reasons , cheers .
Thank you kindly!
@@mattisulanto Thanks for your kind reply , and forgot to say i had subscribed on this up load of yours . been watching for quite a while now over 2020 , i started with GH2 years ago , now using and really rate the G9 . cheers again for the inspiring content.
Matti i have a question for u,is this true this lens leica 10-25 f1.7 in full frame will be 20-50 f3.4,is it true the aperture doubles to,i was thinking about getting the g9 with a lens for video bokeh,how about the 30 or 56 1.4 sigma,always great to see your vids
This has been covered many times already, so I'm gonna make it short. The aperture is always what it says on the lens, but the pictures/video you are shooting on this lens will look the same as pictures/video shot on a 20-50mm F3.4 FF lens. The pictures you take on the Sigma 56mm F1.4 will look the same as the pictures shot on a 112mm F2.8 FF lens.
Nice review. This lens flew under my radar, but it must be the perfect lens for astro! How does it handle coma?
I have not really specifically tested that, because it's not relevant for my video work😀 Sorry about that.
Coma, even wide open is almost non-existent. Even Coma distortion is extremely low. No other MFT lens comes close to this Leica. I used to have it on my G9 but now it sits on my OM-1. Very happy
I don't understand the hate with this lens unless your somebody that has G.A.S. and has to have 30 different focal lengths. People don't seem to get the concept of upfront cost. It costs about as much as 3 GOOD prime lenses and then you rarely have to ever change out lenses again. Absolutely love the simplicity of only needing two or three lenses to do it all. It's a tight fit but I can fit all my necessary lenses: Normal to long range zoom, a mic, and flash all in one standard camera bag. It takes long enough to choose the right settings when taking a picture. It's really lame when people have to wait on you to change to the perfect prime as well. And with a G9 Body this lens feels PERFECT. Not oversized at all. As a matter of fact putting smaller lenses on the G9 makes it feel more like a toy, than a pro camera. But I can appreciate the small lenses on smaller bodies. Which is why I also have a Gx85 if I need to travel anywhere.
Thanks for sharing.
Would you re recommend this lens for the G95?
It's a good lens for any camera.
@@mattisulanto How do you feel about the 25-50? When would you use one over the other?
@@Hot4Wheels I have never even seen the 25-50mm F1.7 in flesh, so can't comment. You'd use either lens depending on if you need a wide angle or a short tele.
I think its a great lens, though I miss the OIS on it.
Thanks.
25mm 1.7 should be best mft leans chip one :P
For my vídeo work I tend to use two Cameras all the time, and I’m happy to use the Nokton 10.5mm and 25mm f0,95 (stopped down to 1.2 or 1.4). I think that the Leica is a good option for anyone working with a single lens. But for the same price I bought the two Noktons (one used) and a Lumix 12-35 f2.8 for rainy days. And I understand that today there is a tendency to make the equivalence between FF and m43 also at the aperture, but I don't agree! In my opinion this is a mistake. In the depth of field Is acceptable. But aperture, in my opinion, is the measurement of light, and DOF is a side effect (also influenced by other factors). I understand that the aperture and the shutter speed are responsible for the composition of light (in optical terms). Even the ISO, I understand as an “extra” factor, of electronic compensation. Aspects involving noise and ISO should be dealt with in a separate chapter, related to sensor technology. I think that correlations and equivalences do not help at all and are not really important in the work of a photographer. Greetings from the Black Forest!
Thanks for sharing. I don't like the EQV either and I only seldom use it.
What a beast!
I wished they would have made it at least F1.4, then I would have bought one. I use F1.2-F1.4 usually.
No manufacturer has ever made a fixed aperture f1.4 zoom lens. There is good reason for that, and f1.7 is already an engineering triumph, as was the Sigma f1.8. At f1.7 this lens is already very large. F1.4 would make it huge. You would probably then say you would get it if they had made it lighter.
@@artistjoh Indeed. I think the f/2 zoom lenses are already a breakthrough. A f/1.4 version of this lens would easily be double the size and cost, for a mere what, 1/3 stop extra? Just underexpose by that much and boost it back up in Lightroom!
Sold the lens, 10 was too wide and 25 didn’t let me get close enough to the subject. They should have just made a fast 12-35 lens.
Thanks for sharing.
It's an expensive one, can you share some pictures?
Watch this: th-cam.com/video/nqet2fv-T1Y/w-d-xo.html
Lumix/Leica should go balls to the wall and make a huge 8-100 (16-200) f1.8 constant. That would be the end all be all lens.
It's not parafocal, that's sad, but everything else - worth the squeeze.
It's electronically parfocal and you can use it as such, but it's not mechanically parfocal as you say.
Thanks with this
Is the Leica 12-60 just as good?
It is a different lens for slightly different purpose, but as good.
I have a GH5 & GH5s and I use the Sigma 18-35mm lens. I would love this lens, but it is so expensive like you guys say... The only thing the Sigma does not have is the weather sealed over the Panasonic Leica. Other than that the Sigma is great, but I do want to the 10-25mm lens!
Thanks for sharing! Also no aperture ring on the Sigma.
The lens seems very good but the price is... the one of a new camera, a good one.
lenses outlast cameras, and cameras get replaced with better models quicker than lenses too.
@@kalisti2323 The question is, will the m4/3 Panasonic cameras be replaced by better models? It seems difficult to sustain two different lines for Panasonic being the underdog.
@@manuelb8808 well thats another question, maybe they make more mft maybe they dont, if the mft cameras available dont meet your demands, maybe another mount would be better? The lens though seems like a reasonable price for what it is, quite unique. Way out of my league anyways XD
@@kalisti2323 Any camera meets my demands however, I would rather spend my money on their S5 with the kit lens than on this lens + another body. M4/3 is ok but when you have to spend equally or more on it than on bigger formats to have comparable results, then questions arise on consumer's minds, don't they?!
@@manuelb8808 £3850 for S5 and 24-70 2.8, £2600 for a G9 and the 10-25, thats about as close as it gets, the 20-60 isnt bright enough at any point to really compare. So a sensible consumer would do their research, and buy into a more expensive FF system for the greater shooting envelope, low light being the strongest case, if that was what they needed. The S5 offers greater low light performance, but that should be obvious from the sensor size! But the G9's AF speed and burst speeds are way beyond the S5, really depends what someone needs. Personally I wanted the speed and system size mft offered, so having an option like this if I dont mind the size is excellent, and while it doesnt equal a FF 24-70 f2.8 it emulates it close enough and is cheaper.
I thought the lens would have been alot more compact.
I wonder why you need a zoom for you TH-cam video. Why not just use a small prime like the Leica 15mm or 25mm ? You can bring 3 smalls primes with you for less money and space in your bag than this pricey monster lens.
I don't need a zoom, but I like it much better than three primes. I want to be able to change the angle of view, but I don't want to change lenses. When I take my camera, my one lens and the microphone I know I have all I need. Very simple set up that sits nicely on my tripod and I don't even need a bag.
Especially outside changing lenses is an extra effort and more risk to get dirt on the sensor etc. Then I'd need three variable ND filters as well or I'd have to change the filter also every time I change the lens. Then after I changed the lens I'd have to make sure the exposure is the same as it was with the other lens, i.e. turn the ND filter and check the waveform. There are so many things to keep in mind when you are a making videos on your own, that you want to keep the gear as simple as possible.
However, this is only my preferred way to do things and some may prefer three primes. Whatever works for you😀
Crazy that this is a 10-min "long-term" review of a Lumix-brand tool, done by a Lumix ambassador, yet only has approx. 20 secs of any results with it. Sure, there might be results in other places on his channel or website or whatever, he claims to use it "every day," but 9 minutes of looking at your face should never, ever, ever be in a video about a tool. If this was a review of your face, I would understand. You use this every day and have nothing to show for it? Crazy.
You just have to watch my other videos or maybe my channel is not for you at all. You tube has a crazy number of crazy and less crazy channels, please browse around like crazy and you'll find something that you can like😀
It is a real pity, but seems to be a plague amongst youtubers. That one shot though, stunning.
@@orange42 What one shot? Can't even find it.
Lenses like this one defeats the whole purpose of the m43 system... 😕
Why?
@@mattisulanto why call it micro four-thirds with a not-so-micro lens ?
@@melvinch I have no idea who came up with the Micro Four Thirds in the first place, because I think it belittles the whole system😀
@Uncle Marwee Well, the purpose of m43 at least for me is the versatility. You can select some small primes as perfect travell setup or you can put on big special purpose lens like this 10-25 for professional video work or 150/2.0, 200/2.8 and 300/4.0 for wildlife. So many options....!
@@_Thumbnail_ I know this shocks some people... but you can actually have Two camera bodies. One for big professional zooms and One for travel. Why not just get Full Frame? Because EVERYTHING will be larger and more expensive if you want to actually take advantage of that extra light and shallow DOF. No way around it. Often times you don't need it unless you specifically shoot at night and aren't allowed to use flash.
Marcus for a few seconds I though you were holding an L mount lens. Yes an interesting lens.
Thanks. Who is Marcus?😀
@@mattisulanto I apologise Matti!