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I was seeing that pic in the corner of my eye and i was instantly thinking What the hell is Charles Manson doing there between computer videos and then i was like oohh nevermind :P
The Charles Manson look and Atari are like two peas in a pod. Charles Manson looks good with a joystick. I'd like to play some of the games he would program.
I did. Was this coincidence? I don't think so. You see, Charles was deeply into assembler back before assembler was cool. He particularly like popping things on and off stacks and registers of various lengths. He may have orchestrated the most famous multiple mutilation in history but he could code man.
I love Computer Chronicles. When I saw the kinder hippie version of Charles Manson demonstrate Cyber Paint, I thought "hmm that looks a lot like Autodesk Animator that I played a lot with in the early '90s" and by jove, AA was actually an evolution of Cyber Paint. So fun to discover these little tidbits!
Half of the music I wrote for my GCSE Music was made on an ST at school, and the other half on my Amiga. They were both absolute beasts for music, each with their own strengths and weaknesses.
If Amiga or atari had a Steve Jobs, we'd be on new Atari or Amiga computers right now. In the late 80's, an Amiga 2000 or atari could do anything a $9000 mac quadra could do for 1/4 the price.
@@charles-y2z6c Yeah, I imagine anybody who has worked in Scientific/Technical fields have encountered a least a handful of people like him who are more concerned with their field/craft than obsessive grooming habits, lol.
Yellowblanka Amen to that. It was said Albert Einstein’s wife would pack his suitcase for a trip come home untouched. Einstein put his shoes and socks on like everyone else. Just did it in that order.
Somewhere in the bowels of my house resides my Mega 2 ST that my mother graciously purchased for me back in 1988 for college. Great machine back in the day... playing Jim Yee's Midi Maze with multiple ST's connected was also a real blast!!
I bought an Atari ST Mega4 in 1987 and used Hybrid Arts SMPTE TRK as my MIDI DAW. I was at a presentation by the Hybrid Arts team in BellFlower CA. Stefan Daystrom was the designer of the software and that night I was SOLD. Had racks of synths and a big mixer to run everything into. Recorded on a Tascam 688 8 track cassette deck. It was a great setup. I had a HUGE 20MB hard drive as big as a shoe box and never even close to filling it up because MIDI files are so small. Today, a couple hi-res photos and 20MB is gone. But at the time files and apps were very efficient and took relatively little space. These days I have even more power in my laptop with zero external gear, racks, cables, stands, etc. Today's musicians are very fortunate. But good to see a few using the old gear. The late 80's and early 90's were the golden age of synths and MIDI DAWs. Best of luck.
Fun to see this. I didn't search for it.. youtube suggested it. Jim Kent developed a simple language that was used for game development on Atari ST way back when. It was published in a magazine at the time. I used it to fool around with an ST and make simple games. Jim Kent went on to perform computing related to the human genome study. Look it up. It's interesting.
Man, Commodore and Atari... just two more visionary companies ruined by bad marketing and shortsighted planing. '89 was still a good year...but just two years later, oh my...
flatshade Mac,Comkodore,Atari, ink vats literate patent copywrite plan Gary's invention of license follows to rigours created in Unknown developments that occurred enthrough several supercomputer installations,where this is documented from shown here. Eventual quarry was Pentium Intel splitter bomb ,which Gary was said too call securities of utmost every nature,so,today when you view this you too will comment kill terror Manson invites of crazed hippys to play outside way back gun slinger games eh? Boot,Hill,McGraw(That's 'bill' in Gary's slang?)
Ahh, I was ballin' with my 17" flat screen in 93. King of the hill w/ my dx2 66 and 16MB running OS/2, maxtor 1.2GB fast SCSI2. In fact, I remember my CRT and desktop used to heat my dorm room. It was then, when my friends were getting faster hardware at a lower price 6-12 mo's later did I learn about depreciation rate of computer hardware. It's certainly stabilized now. I still rocking my haswell that's close to 10 years old. I may upgrade soon. Maybe move to updates every decade.
For those who are commenting about the long-haired Hippie, that is Jim Kent, who later contributed to the human genome project. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Kent
The Atari 1040 st was my first computer that I had in my own house. I used it for hosting a BBS system (Olympus BBS) and logging into other bay area BBS systems in the '80's. I also had a subscription to Genie (competitor to Compuserve), which was a large BBS system, or basically a precursor to the internet. The Atari was way ahead of its time. In particular, the graphics blew anything away at the time. When Windows 3.1 came out, I remember thinking thta my Atari was still superior in actual use. I ended up giving the computer to a friend in the early '90's because he liked playing Star Trek the game on it so much.
@@abes.4040 The word processor was better than a Macintosh (b&w) or Amiga, way better than IBM or compatible.. because of the graphics that came with it. Nice and smooth fonts on the Atari. It really should have caught on way more but people didn't take Atari seriously (games). I don't remember which word processor I used now. Wordperfect maybe. It was excellent for the time. My printer driver, unfortunately never worked properly, but that was an incompatibility issue. I tried to use it to do my algebra homework. I didn't want to learn math and thought I had a clever way to cheat by programming all the basic functions into basic programming so I could just type in any equation and it wouldsolve for x. The problem was, I had to learn the math to do it, so by the time I was done, I already did the homework myself.
I ran a BBS too. I remember those good old days sharing PD software over a 2400 Baud modern (then finally a 56K) running BBS Express ST with an ICD 20MB HDD. I have a 520ST and it died on me and I got a 1040STe with 4096 colors. Man those pics of Sam Fox looked even better
I had calamus and was a fan of vector graphics. Used to highly enjoy making fancy looking newspaper prints for school. I made the school IT teacher look silly cos I was so good at the time thanks to ATARIST
Computers sure had their roles at the time, IBM/Clones were locked into the business sector, Macintosh had the Desktop publishing market, Amiga had the video production, and Atari ST had music composure.
To which it all converged into the PC with its add-on board capabilities and economies of scale to have available super powerful specs by the mid 90s for cheap.
I would love a show like this today, slow conversations with a focus on consumer interests. Watching a tech channel on youtube today feels like a kids show with ads, everything is so fast and in your face.
It's so wild -- these videos bring back memories. I remember when this all was cutting edge and new. Yet now it looks ancient. And it was expensive, even in today's money.
An “affordable ST” with a color display and hard drive was almost $3K in today’s money. A name brand PC clone with crappy graphics and no sound was about $6K in 2023 dollars, and a color Mac of the era was almost $10K in 2023 dollars. Crazy!
From what I've seen on CC, Gary is pretty humble and quiet about his contributions to computer science. He's very professional about it - he's a host, not the subject matter.
I wanna know the longer term results of that dolphin and seal experiment. How long did it go on, and did they ever upgrade the Atari ST to a PC to continue the experiment in the future?
OH GOD that's what they used at our local model hobby shop, Norwegian Modellers! It's how I discovered how an RC helicopter is insanely difficult to control for a 12-year old.
The Atari 1040ST was the first computer w/ at least 1MB RAM to cost under US$1000. Oh, and something interesting about Gary Kildall being on this episode is that the TOS operating system (ST/TT/Falcon computers) uses his GEM GUI.
It's interesting to see how software developers back in those days used to have at least two different versions of the the same software title. They had one with lower and one with higher system requirements, depending on the capabilities of your computer. So not only did you have to chose a software for your platform, but you also had to choose the right version that is not too demanding on your computer.
What's sad is computer hardware reviewers harshly criticized both ATARI and Commodore as being game machines,even though they never even extensively used either the ST or AMIGA computers. Both of which were a better buy than an Intel or Mac
Well isn't that what the Amiga was? It surely didn't have the high resolution modes that business users required (1024x768 @ 72Hz) because of its NTSC heritage. The hardware never really advanced, which didn't help with credibility for the company. Imagine if the original Iphone came out and Apple 10 years later then kept pushing the same Iphone as the best phone ever without a single technological upgrade to it. It would've been laughed at so hard. That's exactly what happened with Commodore.
I used an upgraded Mega4 with a ET4000 VGA adapter on a 1280x1024 NEC monitor, running Calamus, and I had a 450mb SCSI hard drive. I wanted to put a SCSI optical drive on it, but never got around to it.
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Everyone looked like Charles Manson in the 80’s lol
I had a 520 ST before buying a IBM compatible PC. One night I was up late typing a paper for my English/Lit 1 class assignment in 1st Word and fell I asleep. My brother woke me up and he noticed I had diagonal imprints on my forehead. My head was on my ST above the keyboard layout.
I had an Atari ST mega4 with a 60mb harddrive. Sadly my mother tossed it when we moved a decade ago... I still boot up STEEM and play ballerburg from time to time :). We only had monochrome monitors for it though.
There is also a Val Kilmer ("The Saint" version) lookalike inside. I love Atari ST, my very first computer, bought with "Wonderboy in Monsterland", what a game!
its amazing they had midi multi tracking back in 89 , although , back then im sure the sounds were more realistic using actual hardware based equipment
Does anyone remember Colourspace by Jeff Minter (Llamasoft)? Jeff is still going strong; a prolific and talented programmer. I met him at a computer show in in the UK (presumably late 80s) and I recall that he was a really nice chap.
12:10, 23:30, 24:50 ... THANK YOU ... and I was always wondering why FALCON 030 and 040 silently "disappeared" ... business as usual ... just like nowadays ... I miss some really interesting tools and desktop publishing software programs ... GEMINI (tweaking the TOS user interface), Signum and Script from Application Systems Heidelberg (pretty cool stuff from Germany at these times ... I was running my own BBS Mailbox on my Mega ST (with a 30MB hardisk) ... my father freaked out when he saw the telephone BILL ...
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It amazes me how powerful this software was running at 8mhz on a 16 bit bus...also the Mac emulator ran 10-20 percent faster on the ST with 640 X 480. This capability made it very hard to obtain Mac ROMs unless one traded in old ones.
They simply didn't have to emulate the process. I had the later Spectre GCR emulator on my 1040 STf. The grayscale resolution was 640x400, btw., not 480. You basically traded a little RAM (the Spectre software used some) but had an 8 instead of 7 MHz 68K processor running the software. Most software I used back then ran fine. Needed some tweaking for printer support and switching disks was a little strange (the Mac's 3.5" disk drive could eject floppies automatically, whereas you had to push a button on the Atari), but if you already had an Atari ST (which was a lot less expensive than a real Mac Plus), Spectre GCR was a very inexpensive way to use Mac software.
@@fryke The Mac was clocked at 7.9 MHz so theoretically just a little bit slower than the ST. The difference was that the screen refresh circuitry was more primitive on the Mac and blocked the bus during refresh thuis stealing a lot of cycles from the CPU. The CPU ran effectively only at around 5MHz because of that on the Mac. The ST had faster RAM and the refresh was better hidden so that the 68K in the Atari could run almost the whole time at its real 8MHz clock (there were some instructions that would have their cycle count rounded up to a multiple of 4 and thus losing some cycles here and there but nothing as bad as on the Mac).
@@daveeyes Wow. I loved the series of articles you wrote in the 80s that were published in the French ST-Magazine. Do you have a link to these stories?
4 years too late, but I believe it was a collaboration between the two companies. Also worth bearing in mind that software was often distributed by different companies in different regions, and developers also changed distributors over time. Often the distributor’s name was on the box, not the developer’s.
The anti Atari/Commodore bias that the US computer industry had at that time always baffled me. At that time, to me Atari/Commodore computers were the "good" computers with high quality graphics, sound, animation and were low cost and if you wanted, they could even do all those same types of boring business applications too (word processing, spreadsheets) if you wanted to use it as a "serious" business computer. At the time I thought of IBM/Mac's as those terrible overpriced black and white machines with no sound, no colour, awful games, that for some odd reason I could never understand....businesses seemed to prefer. Even as a kid I wondered, why the hell isn't everyone using Atari/Commodore computers? They were like 5-10 times cheaper, you could generally hook them up directly to a TV to save money (if you didn't want to buy a monitor), they actually had colour graphics/sound. and if you really really wanted to use boring business type apps...they could do that too. There was no disadvantage of using them. At least in Europe that message got across but in the US people preferred to pay 10 times more for inferior PCs and Macs at the time.
In America in the 80s, businesses still viewed Commodore and Atari as gaming machines. In the late 70s, if Visicalc would have been released on the Commodore PET (not the 1st model with the terrible chiclet keyboard but the later models) instead of on the Apple II and if the Commodore 64 would have supported both 40 and 80 column modes from the beginning, things might have turned out differently. The only advantage that the Apple II line had over the C64 is that they had support for 80 column displays, which businesses required.
@@dbranconnier1977 The Amiga also needed enhanced resolutions if it wanted to cater to business audiences. 1024x768 @ 72 Hz was standard fare already for the PC world at this time, to which the Amiga was a 640x200 @ 60 Hz machine. Ugh . Even the AGA modes could only do 640x400 @ 72 Hz or 800 x600 @ 60 Hz. Ridiculous.
Business didn't care about graphics. They wanted crisp 80-col text, hard drives, CP/M compat (you could easily translate CP/M software to run on MS-DOS with very little code changes), and tanky machines. Commodore and Atari machines were notoriously unreliable and businesses simply could not tolerate machines regularly breaking down even if they were substantially cheaper.
@@noelsaw now you sure have a great memory. Yes. I remember the photo they used to advertise spectrum 512. A very colourful clown face *_Paul, Liverpool UK_*
25:41 It’s 1989, and there are still PC users stuck with the 640K RAM limit. Can you recall any other case like this, where the company brings out a 2.2 version to sell in parallel with its 3.0 version?
Interesting to hear Adam Kent’s tendency to “uptalk”. He looks and sounds like he came out of today (2019), even in his physical mannerisms. I wonder if this is some of the earliest audio evidence of “uptalk”. More importantly, would Adam Kent’s manner of speaking imply that this style was common in younger tech circles of the time, and the reason that “uptalk” is pervasive now can be directly/indirectly correlated to the dominance of the tech industry?
Bruce Stephan thats what I meant. I still consider late 80s/early 90s up to around 1996 as the best times for IT. I still maintain and run MS-DOS based machine as my personal favorite desktop box... and Linux (which started in 1991) on servers.
I owned a 1040ST. It was the only computer I've ever seen that actually had in the manual that if your computer wouldn't boot it might because heat caused the hand-installed computer chips might pop out of their sockets so the solution was to pick up the front of the computer and drop it on your desk from 2-3 inches a few times to reseat all the chips.
This was the cool era, everybody looked cool and hip. Charles Manson was doing digital animations, and even the aquarium researchers looked like Hollywood actors.
can someone explain to me, why with programs like the paint program why atari didn;t push harder to sell it's product as the much have pc at that time.
They were one company vs the many companies that made PC compatible machines and the third party peripheral companies that made PC cards and accessories. Atari and Commodore had zero chance in terms of eroding market capitalization of the PC platform. We even learned later that Apple, who played all their cards right in terms of marketing strategy, was bleeding to death on the Mac to the point it was unsustainable going into the 90s without radical changes for the company.
Jim Kent. Before he speaks, I know that he will be smart. If a man is confident enough to look like him in the job, you know, that the man knows what he is doing.
I think this clearly shows the position that software companies were in. There were several platforms they could develop software for. Then there was a gazillion of different models and configurations they had to take into consideration when designing a new software, each new model almost as unique as the different platforms. Software companies had to sort of play by the rules of the big hardware companies. And they had to cater to all kinds of crazy computer types and customers to survive.
Nice of them to let Charles Manson out for an episode of Computer Chronicles.
That’s what I thought when I saw the thumbnail lol
They had young Stephen King teaching music class and young Paul Bearer next to Manson !!
Haha that's what I thought!
I think everyone came here for this comment lollll
Watch him upgrade the Motorola 68000 cpu by using a machete and an ice pick.
I only clicked on this vid. to hear what Charles Manson has to say on the Atari ST.
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Me too!
Nailed it
Hahaha
Ha ha! LOL.
Thumbs up if u watched this video purely for the Charles Manson-lookalike in the thumbnail screenshot. He's even wearing a prison-like blue shirt.
Purely here for Charles Manson look and Atari word
I was seeing that pic in the corner of my eye and i was instantly thinking What the hell is Charles Manson doing there between computer videos and then i was like oohh nevermind :P
The Charles Manson look and Atari are like two peas in a pod. Charles Manson looks good with a joystick. I'd like to play some of the games he would program.
Modern day geeks really need to step up their game; look at the effort this fella's put in
I did. Was this coincidence? I don't think so. You see, Charles was deeply into assembler back before assembler was cool. He particularly like popping things on and off stacks and registers of various lengths. He may have orchestrated the most famous multiple mutilation in history but he could code man.
looks like a million people beat me to saying a cool Charles Manson joke...damn.
Still in 2024
Stewart Chiefet deserves a lifetime award.
Word!
I totally agree. He is a legend ..
Absolutely!
Atari ST. Started my life. Atari 520 STFM. then later a Atari 4160STE. Boyhood dream Atari Falcon
What fun!!
I wrote the Magic Sac and Spectre 128/GCR.
Fun to come across this show!
Wowwwww! Dave Small! Your Spectre GCR helped me through college and afterwards with Mac software. Thanks for your awesome products!
Thanks for creating both products. I wanted a Mac back then but could not afford it. Your product allowed me to run Mac software.
Dave Small? I met you when I was like 15, I think it was at a Hamvention or something like that.
I have a copy of it sitting in front of me with some genuine MAC roms. I may have to boot up the st and run MAC load runner for old times sake!
Jim Kent is a genius. Look up his contributions to the human genome project.
Participating in that project means he was scum.
Atari ST 1024 running Cubase hooked up to an Akai 1000 Sampler.. That was ground breaking.
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I love Computer Chronicles. When I saw the kinder hippie version of Charles Manson demonstrate Cyber Paint, I thought "hmm that looks a lot like Autodesk Animator that I played a lot with in the early '90s" and by jove, AA was actually an evolution of Cyber Paint. So fun to discover these little tidbits!
I came here because he looks like Charles Manson
note to self: put charles manson in every youtube video thumbail
Loved my 1040 ST. It was my second computer after an Apple II+.
Half of the music I wrote for my GCSE Music was made on an ST at school, and the other half on my Amiga. They were both absolute beasts for music, each with their own strengths and weaknesses.
Imogen Heap wrote her early music on the Atari ST. She still swears by it (from what I've read about her).
@@telengardforever7783 That's awesome 😎
If Amiga or atari had a Steve Jobs, we'd be on new Atari or Amiga computers right now. In the late 80's, an Amiga 2000 or atari could do anything a $9000 mac quadra could do for 1/4 the price.
I am not going to comment about Charles Manson because everyone else has.
So you're not a low-effort scrub farming for e-points? Good.
Yellowblanka
No just a 30 year software engineer who knew many great software engineers that looked just like him. 🤪
@@charles-y2z6c Yeah, I imagine anybody who has worked in Scientific/Technical fields have encountered a least a handful of people like him who are more concerned with their field/craft than obsessive grooming habits, lol.
Yellowblanka
Amen to that. It was said Albert Einstein’s wife would pack his suitcase for a trip come home untouched. Einstein put his shoes and socks on like everyone else. Just did it in that order.
Somewhere in the bowels of my house resides my Mega 2 ST that my mother graciously purchased for me back in 1988 for college. Great machine back in the day... playing Jim Yee's Midi Maze with multiple ST's connected was also a real blast!!
want to sell that Mega ST?
I bought an Atari ST Mega4 in 1987 and used Hybrid Arts SMPTE TRK as my MIDI DAW. I was at a presentation by the Hybrid Arts team in BellFlower CA. Stefan Daystrom was the designer of the software and that night I was SOLD.
Had racks of synths and a big mixer to run everything into. Recorded on a Tascam 688 8 track cassette deck. It was a great setup. I had a HUGE 20MB hard drive as big as a shoe box and never even close to filling it up because MIDI files are so small. Today, a couple hi-res photos and 20MB is gone. But at the time files and apps were very efficient and took relatively little space.
These days I have even more power in my laptop with zero external gear, racks, cables, stands, etc. Today's musicians are very fortunate. But good to see a few using the old gear. The late 80's and early 90's were the golden age of synths and MIDI DAWs. Best of luck.
Fun to see this. I didn't search for it.. youtube suggested it. Jim Kent developed a simple language that was used for game development on Atari ST way back when. It was published in a magazine at the time. I used it to fool around with an ST and make simple games. Jim Kent went on to perform computing related to the human genome study. Look it up. It's interesting.
Man, Commodore and Atari... just two more visionary companies ruined by bad marketing and shortsighted planing. '89 was still a good year...but just two years later, oh my...
flatshade Mac,Comkodore,Atari, ink vats literate patent copywrite plan Gary's invention of license follows to rigours created in Unknown developments that occurred enthrough several supercomputer installations,where this is documented from shown here. Eventual quarry was Pentium Intel splitter bomb ,which Gary was said too call securities of utmost every nature,so,today when you view this you too will comment kill terror Manson invites of crazed hippys to play outside way back gun slinger games eh?
Boot,Hill,McGraw(That's 'bill' in Gary's slang?)
@@stevebez2767 2 years later still holds the internet record for word salad.
I just came here for the Manson jokes, I wasn’t disappointed.
Who knew Charles Manson had this much computer knowledge!
Ahh, I was ballin' with my 17" flat screen in 93. King of the hill w/ my dx2 66 and 16MB running OS/2, maxtor 1.2GB fast SCSI2. In fact, I remember my CRT and desktop used to heat my dorm room. It was then, when my friends were getting faster hardware at a lower price 6-12 mo's later did I learn about depreciation rate of computer hardware. It's certainly stabilized now. I still rocking my haswell that's close to 10 years old. I may upgrade soon. Maybe move to updates every decade.
They weren’t very impressed with Charles Manson’s paint program. That disappointment is why he did what he did.
The Atari ST was used by musicians during the 80s, for MIDI sequencing and other applications.
I loved my ST.
It smelled nice as well
I was about to comment about this manson lookalike in the comment section, but i see you got it covered.
For those who are commenting about the long-haired Hippie, that is Jim Kent, who later contributed to the human genome project.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Kent
That bearded guy (Jim Kent) got Benjamin Franklin award for his contribution to Human Genome Project.
Jim Kent is a really cool dude. I saw him give a talk in the mid 2000s and he was amazing.
The Atari 1040 st was my first computer that I had in my own house. I used it for hosting a BBS system (Olympus BBS) and logging into other bay area BBS systems in the '80's. I also had a subscription to Genie (competitor to Compuserve), which was a large BBS system, or basically a precursor to the internet. The Atari was way ahead of its time. In particular, the graphics blew anything away at the time. When Windows 3.1 came out, I remember thinking thta my Atari was still superior in actual use. I ended up giving the computer to a friend in the early '90's because he liked playing Star Trek the game on it so much.
Did you used to do homework, how was the word processor?
@@abes.4040 The word processor was better than a Macintosh (b&w) or Amiga, way better than IBM or compatible.. because of the graphics that came with it. Nice and smooth fonts on the Atari. It really should have caught on way more but people didn't take Atari seriously (games). I don't remember which word processor I used now. Wordperfect maybe. It was excellent for the time. My printer driver, unfortunately never worked properly, but that was an incompatibility issue. I tried to use it to do my algebra homework. I didn't want to learn math and thought I had a clever way to cheat by programming all the basic functions into basic programming so I could just type in any equation and it wouldsolve for x. The problem was, I had to learn the math to do it, so by the time I was done, I already did the homework myself.
I ran a BBS too. I remember those good old days sharing PD software over a 2400 Baud modern (then finally a 56K) running BBS Express ST with an ICD 20MB HDD. I have a 520ST and it died on me and I got a 1040STe with 4096 colors. Man those pics of Sam Fox looked even better
I had calamus and was a fan of vector graphics. Used to highly enjoy making fancy looking newspaper prints for school. I made the school IT teacher look silly cos I was so good at the time thanks to ATARIST
Awesome, thanks for posting! I love the Atari ST!
ArcadeDude44 an Albert Camus,right...ooooi,shut up you frogging geek,eh?
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i think this (former) show is interesting especially as i am 16 seeing old stuff like this is very intriguing to me thanks guys good work
You’ll always be missed Gary.
Computers sure had their roles at the time, IBM/Clones were locked into the business sector, Macintosh had the Desktop publishing market, Amiga had the video production, and Atari ST had music composure.
To which it all converged into the PC with its add-on board capabilities and economies of scale to have available super powerful specs by the mid 90s for cheap.
One of the most exciting days of my life was getting a 520stfm
Nostalgic! This show was always cool to watch. I'm sure it helped push me to enter the computer science field.
more so now as an adult to I love this old crap shame they stopped making these shows😢😢
Oh, the Winner's Circle computer store. That store was a mess, it was full of tennis gear and computers all stacked on top of each other.
Omg 3:33 I went to this college and the guy with the glasses was my instructor. In 1991 they were all Macs.
I would love a show like this today, slow conversations with a focus on consumer interests. Watching a tech channel on youtube today feels like a kids show with ads, everything is so fast and in your face.
I'm going to reply to your comment, but first... _This new VPN is amazing, get it now!!!_
5:47 if you freeze frame , it looks like Charles Manson is taking to feds with a lawyer
lol Never talk to chefit and kildall without the presence of a lawyer.
Charles Manson has escaped! :D
LOL That's exactly who I thought that was at first when I saw the thumbnail.
I was like "what's Charles Manson doing talking about an ATari ST?"
Seriously the thumbnail looks like CM's gonna give a quick talk on programming or something.
His beard is gone now. alchetron.com/Jim-Kent-670105-W
Holy crap! Time hasn't been kind to him or drugs are a B*tch.
lol jim kent still got that beard
6:55 I think this is awesome enough to completely redeem Manson. In fact, he should have been released for developing this.
It's so wild -- these videos bring back memories. I remember when this all was cutting edge and new. Yet now it looks ancient. And it was expensive, even in today's money.
An “affordable ST” with a color display and hard drive was almost $3K in today’s money. A name brand PC clone with crappy graphics and no sound was about $6K in 2023 dollars, and a color Mac of the era was almost $10K in 2023 dollars. Crazy!
0:30 is that his hand or is he really exited about the atari st
I remember the Atari v Amiga rivalry at school. I think Amiga had the edge in terms of graphics and games.
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Yep. But the ST’s edge was its ultra high res mono monitor. This made it great for writing papers etc. They each had their strengths.
yeah just graphics and sound lol
I had an ST, quickly sold it and got an Amiga A500 after seeing one in use. Shortly after I switched to Silicon Graphics for an animation project
The Amiga was a lot more widely used and had a lot more software and options available.
I'm surprised Gary Kildall didn't mention that it was running Digital Research's GEM desktop. There's only one passing mention of it.
Gary was too cool to brag
From what I've seen on CC, Gary is pretty humble and quiet about his contributions to computer science. He's very professional about it - he's a host, not the subject matter.
@@superscatboy It would be wrong for him to mention how great his GEM desktop was at the time . ATARI loved it and the ST buyers loved it .
I wanna know the longer term results of that dolphin and seal experiment. How long did it go on, and did they ever upgrade the Atari ST to a PC to continue the experiment in the future?
My first computer, back in 1991 best $400 i ever spent.
1991 my first one was commodore 64 with the cassette player lllol good old times
OH GOD that's what they used at our local model hobby shop, Norwegian Modellers! It's how I discovered how an RC helicopter is insanely difficult to control for a 12-year old.
Before Animator Studio Pro, there was Cyber Paint on the ST!!!
We had SO much fun with our ST. Great to see this.
The Atari 1040ST was the first computer w/ at least 1MB RAM to cost under US$1000. Oh, and something interesting about Gary Kildall being on this episode is that the TOS operating system (ST/TT/Falcon computers) uses his GEM GUI.
It's kind of terrible, journalim ethics wise, that they wouldn't mention the co-host's OS is on that atari.
no, kildall wrote CP/M.... gem was digital research...... get your facts right....
@@chloedevereaux1801 Gary Kildal the founder of Digital Research and was its CEO when GEM was made
@@farquoi Well, technically, GEM is just the UI part of TOS...like it was a UI for DOS on x86 PCs.
TOS is made of GEM DOS and GEM, both licensed by Atari from Kildall's company Digital Research. Oops.
It's interesting to see how software developers back in those days used to have at least two different versions of the the same software title. They had one with lower and one with higher system requirements, depending on the capabilities of your computer. So not only did you have to chose a software for your platform, but you also had to choose the right version that is not too demanding on your computer.
This aired a month and 4 years before my arrival, and now at 33 I'm watching
What's sad is computer hardware reviewers harshly criticized both ATARI and Commodore as being game machines,even though they never even extensively used either the ST or AMIGA computers. Both of which were a better buy than an Intel or Mac
Well isn't that what the Amiga was? It surely didn't have the high resolution modes that business users required (1024x768 @ 72Hz) because of its NTSC heritage. The hardware never really advanced, which didn't help with credibility for the company. Imagine if the original Iphone came out and Apple 10 years later then kept pushing the same Iphone as the best phone ever without a single technological upgrade to it. It would've been laughed at so hard. That's exactly what happened with Commodore.
my best memories of the ATARI ST were the pirate groups.. POMPEY PIRATES, MEDWAY BOYS, AUTOMATION, CYNIX, FOF, BBC etc.. loved it.
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@@sheepthehack I grew up with Amiga but I've always liked the Atari ST too.
I used an upgraded Mega4 with a ET4000 VGA adapter on a 1280x1024 NEC monitor, running Calamus, and I had a 450mb SCSI hard drive. I wanted to put a SCSI optical drive on it, but never got around to it.
Everyone looked like Charles Manson in the 80’s lol
Dude the thumbnail of video had my tripping
In the 70's, they did. In the 80's, more people wore the kinds of sweaters you see in this video.
Love Love Love the Atari ST :D
I had a 520 ST before buying a IBM compatible PC. One night I was up late typing a paper for my English/Lit 1 class assignment in 1st Word and fell I asleep. My brother woke me up and he noticed I had diagonal imprints on my forehead. My head was on my ST above the keyboard layout.
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I had an Atari ST mega4 with a 60mb harddrive. Sadly my mother tossed it when we moved a decade ago... I still boot up STEEM and play ballerburg from time to time :). We only had monochrome monitors for it though.
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Thanks for this... great work
There is also a Val Kilmer ("The Saint" version) lookalike inside. I love Atari ST, my very first computer, bought with "Wonderboy in Monsterland", what a game!
Congratulations, and warm wishes to both of you on your wedding day
Those animations were incredible.
And it was made by people NOT major software companies . Much of the ATARI ST software was made by small independent artists .
Just dropping by to say, every time I see this thumbnail in my suggested videos...I think I'm looking at Charles Manson!
Calamus, the killer of the print industry. Loved that program.
such an amazing episode. wow. this is where modern music making all began.
The reason I had the Atari and not the Amiga :)
6:09 I didn't know Charles Manson was a computer geek!
TheCunnu12 I know all what you know
its amazing they had midi multi tracking back in 89 ,
although , back then im sure the sounds were more realistic using actual hardware based equipment
Charles manson is like ...I can now start a race war from prison bitches and Atari is gonna help me(cue helter skelter music) end scene...
I love to imagine how my kids will look at my High-End gaming rig in, say, 25 years or so... :D
thats a beautiful 80s combover
3:50 Are they wearing the same sweater or did MIDI turn that guy from black to white?
Does anyone remember Colourspace by Jeff Minter (Llamasoft)? Jeff is still going strong; a prolific and talented programmer. I met him at a computer show in in the UK (presumably late 80s) and I recall that he was a really nice chap.
12:10, 23:30, 24:50 ... THANK YOU ... and I was always wondering why FALCON 030 and 040 silently "disappeared" ... business as usual ... just like nowadays ... I miss some really interesting tools and desktop publishing software programs ... GEMINI (tweaking the TOS user interface), Signum and Script from Application Systems Heidelberg (pretty cool stuff from Germany at these times ... I was running my own BBS Mailbox on my Mega ST (with a 30MB hardisk) ... my father freaked out when he saw the telephone BILL ...
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Wow Dan Aykroyd was Atari ST User!
Duh! It wasn't a toy
Spies like us!
It amazes me how powerful this software was running at 8mhz on a 16 bit bus...also the Mac emulator ran 10-20 percent faster on the ST with 640 X 480. This capability made it very hard to obtain Mac ROMs unless one traded in old ones.
They simply didn't have to emulate the process. I had the later Spectre GCR emulator on my 1040 STf. The grayscale resolution was 640x400, btw., not 480. You basically traded a little RAM (the Spectre software used some) but had an 8 instead of 7 MHz 68K processor running the software. Most software I used back then ran fine. Needed some tweaking for printer support and switching disks was a little strange (the Mac's 3.5" disk drive could eject floppies automatically, whereas you had to push a button on the Atari), but if you already had an Atari ST (which was a lot less expensive than a real Mac Plus), Spectre GCR was a very inexpensive way to use Mac software.
@@fryke The Mac was clocked at 7.9 MHz so theoretically just a little bit slower than the ST. The difference was that the screen refresh circuitry was more primitive on the Mac and blocked the bus during refresh thuis stealing a lot of cycles from the CPU. The CPU ran effectively only at around 5MHz because of that on the Mac. The ST had faster RAM and the refresh was better hidden so that the 68K in the Atari could run almost the whole time at its real 8MHz clock (there were some instructions that would have their cycle count rounded up to a multiple of 4 and thus losing some cycles here and there but nothing as bad as on the Mac).
Thank you very much! I wrote the Magic Sac and Spectre 128/GCR.
What fun seeing them on this show!!
Thanks, David Small
@@daveeyes Wow. I loved the series of articles you wrote in the 80s that were published in the French ST-Magazine. Do you have a link to these stories?
4:34 - "Notator, by Digidesign". No way, I'm pretty sure Notator was a C-Labs product, from Germany.
4 years too late, but I believe it was a collaboration between the two companies. Also worth bearing in mind that software was often distributed by different companies in different regions, and developers also changed distributors over time. Often the distributor’s name was on the box, not the developer’s.
The anti Atari/Commodore bias that the US computer industry had at that time always baffled me. At that time, to me Atari/Commodore computers were the "good" computers with high quality graphics, sound, animation and were low cost and if you wanted, they could even do all those same types of boring business applications too (word processing, spreadsheets) if you wanted to use it as a "serious" business computer. At the time I thought of IBM/Mac's as those terrible overpriced black and white machines with no sound, no colour, awful games, that for some odd reason I could never understand....businesses seemed to prefer. Even as a kid I wondered, why the hell isn't everyone using Atari/Commodore computers? They were like 5-10 times cheaper, you could generally hook them up directly to a TV to save money (if you didn't want to buy a monitor), they actually had colour graphics/sound. and if you really really wanted to use boring business type apps...they could do that too. There was no disadvantage of using them. At least in Europe that message got across but in the US people preferred to pay 10 times more for inferior PCs and Macs at the time.
In America in the 80s, businesses still viewed Commodore and Atari as gaming machines. In the late 70s, if Visicalc would have been released on the Commodore PET (not the 1st model with the terrible chiclet keyboard but the later models) instead of on the Apple II and if the Commodore 64 would have supported both 40 and 80 column modes from the beginning, things might have turned out differently. The only advantage that the Apple II line had over the C64 is that they had support for 80 column displays, which businesses required.
@@dbranconnier1977 The Amiga also needed enhanced resolutions if it wanted to cater to business audiences. 1024x768 @ 72 Hz was standard fare already for the PC world at this time, to which the Amiga was a 640x200 @ 60 Hz machine. Ugh . Even the AGA modes could only do 640x400 @ 72 Hz or 800 x600 @ 60 Hz. Ridiculous.
At one time, I was developing spreadsheets on the Atari ST, for companies that were using Lotus 123 on IBM PCs.
Business didn't care about graphics. They wanted crisp 80-col text, hard drives, CP/M compat (you could easily translate CP/M software to run on MS-DOS with very little code changes), and tanky machines. Commodore and Atari machines were notoriously unreliable and businesses simply could not tolerate machines regularly breaking down even if they were substantially cheaper.
Used to love the paint shop programs that tried to trick St into more than 16 colours. At once
Spectrum 512
@@noelsaw now you sure have a great memory. Yes. I remember the photo they used to advertise spectrum 512. A very colourful clown face *_Paul, Liverpool UK_*
Lol didn't realize your comment was 5 years ago
There was also the very colorful bee too
@@noelsaw good memories. I like the technology back in the day. I don’t like the technology of today however! *_Paul, Liverpool UK_*
Just ordered my transcript.
when that robot zombie thing came out of the swamp i thought it was going to walk out of screen it was so real
The retail price of the IIci .. $8000 hooomygood! So glad the times have changed... ;)
Defo
Apple was always overpriced. I'd take an Atari Mega ST or Amiga 2000 before a Mac IIci, back then.
25:41 It’s 1989, and there are still PC users stuck with the 640K RAM limit. Can you recall any other case like this, where the company brings out a 2.2 version to sell in parallel with its 3.0 version?
6:06 for Mr. Manson
OMG hes even wearing a Jail suit LMAO
I`m Charles Manson and I approve this message!
At 20:08 "...and it works quite well." aww, that's so reassuring cute. I'll think about buying that one...
Interesting to hear Adam Kent’s tendency to “uptalk”. He looks and sounds like he came out of today (2019), even in his physical mannerisms. I wonder if this is some of the earliest audio evidence of “uptalk”. More importantly, would Adam Kent’s manner of speaking imply that this style was common in younger tech circles of the time, and the reason that “uptalk” is pervasive now can be directly/indirectly correlated to the dominance of the tech industry?
I remember this show. How time passes.
Ha! I had a Casio FZ-1 sampler hooked up to my ST running Cubase w mono monitor back in the day... I was 16!
I never knew Stephen King worked as the director music engineering at Cogswell College.
Had one in my first year of college
Eric Peterson (3:58 and onward) didn't look cool enough with his pony tail. He had to borrow his student's sweater as well.
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In the late 80s there was a great war amongst 16-bit systems: Atari ST, Commodore Amiga, Apple and IBM PC compatibles. IBM PC won this deadly war.
Bruce Stephan thats what I meant. I still consider late 80s/early 90s up to around 1996 as the best times for IT. I still maintain and run MS-DOS based machine as my personal favorite desktop box... and Linux (which started in 1991) on servers.
I owned a 1040ST. It was the only computer I've ever seen that actually had in the manual that if your computer wouldn't boot it might because heat caused the hand-installed computer chips might pop out of their sockets so the solution was to pick up the front of the computer and drop it on your desk from 2-3 inches a few times to reseat all the chips.
I also used to the deskdrop on my 1040ST! Lift one side up a couple of inches and… bang!
This was the cool era, everybody looked cool and hip. Charles Manson was doing digital animations, and even the aquarium researchers looked like Hollywood actors.
No idea why its taken this many years to find this when i swear I've searched for content on youtube lol
can someone explain to me, why with programs like the paint program why atari didn;t push harder to sell it's product as the much have pc at that time.
Because it wasnt anything special at the end of 1980s, everyone had same software
They were one company vs the many companies that made PC compatible machines and the third party peripheral companies that made PC cards and accessories. Atari and Commodore had zero chance in terms of eroding market capitalization of the PC platform. We even learned later that Apple, who played all their cards right in terms of marketing strategy, was bleeding to death on the Mac to the point it was unsustainable going into the 90s without radical changes for the company.
Jim Kent. Before he speaks, I know that he will be smart. If a man is confident enough to look like him in the job, you know, that the man knows what he is doing.
3:35 & 3:56 // do they wear (or share) one and the same pullover?
I think this clearly shows the position that software companies were in. There were several platforms they could develop software for. Then there was a gazillion of different models and configurations they had to take into consideration when designing a new software, each new model almost as unique as the different platforms. Software companies had to sort of play by the rules of the big hardware companies. And they had to cater to all kinds of crazy computer types and customers to survive.