Will Scarlett well,it's like this,see,as you key keep vote for all that is not and won't ever be,you can go to be with,you see? I don't give computer text or English 'kill'for you clown creep play your on my networks? Your not ever having one Ista of any be,phish off,runt,Gits?
I was seeing that pic in the corner of my eye and i was instantly thinking What the hell is Charles Manson doing there between computer videos and then i was like oohh nevermind :P
The Charles Manson look and Atari are like two peas in a pod. Charles Manson looks good with a joystick. I'd like to play some of the games he would program.
I did. Was this coincidence? I don't think so. You see, Charles was deeply into assembler back before assembler was cool. He particularly like popping things on and off stacks and registers of various lengths. He may have orchestrated the most famous multiple mutilation in history but he could code man.
I love Computer Chronicles. When I saw the kinder hippie version of Charles Manson demonstrate Cyber Paint, I thought "hmm that looks a lot like Autodesk Animator that I played a lot with in the early '90s" and by jove, AA was actually an evolution of Cyber Paint. So fun to discover these little tidbits!
Half of the music I wrote for my GCSE Music was made on an ST at school, and the other half on my Amiga. They were both absolute beasts for music, each with their own strengths and weaknesses.
If Amiga or atari had a Steve Jobs, we'd be on new Atari or Amiga computers right now. In the late 80's, an Amiga 2000 or atari could do anything a $9000 mac quadra could do for 1/4 the price.
@@charlesbaldo Yeah, I imagine anybody who has worked in Scientific/Technical fields have encountered a least a handful of people like him who are more concerned with their field/craft than obsessive grooming habits, lol.
Yellowblanka Amen to that. It was said Albert Einstein’s wife would pack his suitcase for a trip come home untouched. Einstein put his shoes and socks on like everyone else. Just did it in that order.
Somewhere in the bowels of my house resides my Mega 2 ST that my mother graciously purchased for me back in 1988 for college. Great machine back in the day... playing Jim Yee's Midi Maze with multiple ST's connected was also a real blast!!
Fun to see this. I didn't search for it.. youtube suggested it. Jim Kent developed a simple language that was used for game development on Atari ST way back when. It was published in a magazine at the time. I used it to fool around with an ST and make simple games. Jim Kent went on to perform computing related to the human genome study. Look it up. It's interesting.
The Atari 1040 st was my first computer that I had in my own house. I used it for hosting a BBS system (Olympus BBS) and logging into other bay area BBS systems in the '80's. I also had a subscription to Genie (competitor to Compuserve), which was a large BBS system, or basically a precursor to the internet. The Atari was way ahead of its time. In particular, the graphics blew anything away at the time. When Windows 3.1 came out, I remember thinking thta my Atari was still superior in actual use. I ended up giving the computer to a friend in the early '90's because he liked playing Star Trek the game on it so much.
For those who are commenting about the long-haired Hippie, that is Jim Kent, who later contributed to the human genome project. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Kent
I bought an Atari ST Mega4 in 1987 and used Hybrid Arts SMPTE TRK as my MIDI DAW. I was at a presentation by the Hybrid Arts team in BellFlower CA. Stefan Daystrom was the designer of the software and that night I was SOLD. Had racks of synths and a big mixer to run everything into. Recorded on a Tascam 688 8 track cassette deck. It was a great setup. I had a HUGE 20MB hard drive as big as a shoe box and never even close to filling it up because MIDI files are so small. Today, a couple hi-res photos and 20MB is gone. But at the time files and apps were very efficient and took relatively little space. These days I have even more power in my laptop with zero external gear, racks, cables, stands, etc. Today's musicians are very fortunate. But good to see a few using the old gear. The late 80's and early 90's were the golden age of synths and MIDI DAWs. Best of luck.
I had calamus and was a fan of vector graphics. Used to highly enjoy making fancy looking newspaper prints for school. I made the school IT teacher look silly cos I was so good at the time thanks to ATARIST
Computers sure had their roles at the time, IBM/Clones were locked into the business sector, Macintosh had the Desktop publishing market, Amiga had the video production, and Atari ST had music composure.
To which it all converged into the PC with its add-on board capabilities and economies of scale to have available super powerful specs by the mid 90s for cheap.
I would love a show like this today, slow conversations with a focus on consumer interests. Watching a tech channel on youtube today feels like a kids show with ads, everything is so fast and in your face.
I had a 520 ST before buying a IBM compatible PC. One night I was up late typing a paper for my English/Lit 1 class assignment in 1st Word and fell I asleep. My brother woke me up and he noticed I had diagonal imprints on my forehead. My head was on my ST above the keyboard layout.
I had an Atari ST mega4 with a 60mb harddrive. Sadly my mother tossed it when we moved a decade ago... I still boot up STEEM and play ballerburg from time to time :). We only had monochrome monitors for it though.
From what I've seen on CC, Gary is pretty humble and quiet about his contributions to computer science. He's very professional about it - he's a host, not the subject matter.
Man, Commodore and Atari... just two more visionary companies ruined by bad marketing and shortsighted planing. '89 was still a good year...but just two years later, oh my...
flatshade Mac,Comkodore,Atari, ink vats literate patent copywrite plan Gary's invention of license follows to rigours created in Unknown developments that occurred enthrough several supercomputer installations,where this is documented from shown here. Eventual quarry was Pentium Intel splitter bomb ,which Gary was said too call securities of utmost every nature,so,today when you view this you too will comment kill terror Manson invites of crazed hippys to play outside way back gun slinger games eh? Boot,Hill,McGraw(That's 'bill' in Gary's slang?)
The Atari 1040ST was the first computer w/ at least 1MB RAM to cost under US$1000. Oh, and something interesting about Gary Kildall being on this episode is that the TOS operating system (ST/TT/Falcon computers) uses his GEM GUI.
OH GOD that's what they used at our local model hobby shop, Norwegian Modellers! It's how I discovered how an RC helicopter is insanely difficult to control for a 12-year old.
It's so wild -- these videos bring back memories. I remember when this all was cutting edge and new. Yet now it looks ancient. And it was expensive, even in today's money.
An “affordable ST” with a color display and hard drive was almost $3K in today’s money. A name brand PC clone with crappy graphics and no sound was about $6K in 2023 dollars, and a color Mac of the era was almost $10K in 2023 dollars. Crazy!
What's sad is computer hardware reviewers harshly criticized both ATARI and Commodore as being game machines,even though they never even extensively used either the ST or AMIGA computers. Both of which were a better buy than an Intel or Mac
Well isn't that what the Amiga was? It surely didn't have the high resolution modes that business users required (1024x768 @ 72Hz) because of its NTSC heritage. The hardware never really advanced, which didn't help with credibility for the company. Imagine if the original Iphone came out and Apple 10 years later then kept pushing the same Iphone as the best phone ever without a single technological upgrade to it. It would've been laughed at so hard. That's exactly what happened with Commodore.
I wanna know the longer term results of that dolphin and seal experiment. How long did it go on, and did they ever upgrade the Atari ST to a PC to continue the experiment in the future?
Yep the man who could have been Bill Gates if he didnt skip that IBM meeting to go flying , Bill Gates just presumed Gary turned it down anyway as he was the type of person who really wasnt into fame and fortune and already was well established so i guess the right person got the job in the end.
This was the cool era, everybody looked cool and hip. Charles Manson was doing digital animations, and even the aquarium researchers looked like Hollywood actors.
It's interesting to see how software developers back in those days used to have at least two different versions of the the same software title. They had one with lower and one with higher system requirements, depending on the capabilities of your computer. So not only did you have to chose a software for your platform, but you also had to choose the right version that is not too demanding on your computer.
Bruce Stephan thats what I meant. I still consider late 80s/early 90s up to around 1996 as the best times for IT. I still maintain and run MS-DOS based machine as my personal favorite desktop box... and Linux (which started in 1991) on servers.
its amazing they had midi multi tracking back in 89 , although , back then im sure the sounds were more realistic using actual hardware based equipment
It amazes me how powerful this software was running at 8mhz on a 16 bit bus...also the Mac emulator ran 10-20 percent faster on the ST with 640 X 480. This capability made it very hard to obtain Mac ROMs unless one traded in old ones.
They simply didn't have to emulate the process. I had the later Spectre GCR emulator on my 1040 STf. The grayscale resolution was 640x400, btw., not 480. You basically traded a little RAM (the Spectre software used some) but had an 8 instead of 7 MHz 68K processor running the software. Most software I used back then ran fine. Needed some tweaking for printer support and switching disks was a little strange (the Mac's 3.5" disk drive could eject floppies automatically, whereas you had to push a button on the Atari), but if you already had an Atari ST (which was a lot less expensive than a real Mac Plus), Spectre GCR was a very inexpensive way to use Mac software.
@@fryke The Mac was clocked at 7.9 MHz so theoretically just a little bit slower than the ST. The difference was that the screen refresh circuitry was more primitive on the Mac and blocked the bus during refresh thuis stealing a lot of cycles from the CPU. The CPU ran effectively only at around 5MHz because of that on the Mac. The ST had faster RAM and the refresh was better hidden so that the 68K in the Atari could run almost the whole time at its real 8MHz clock (there were some instructions that would have their cycle count rounded up to a multiple of 4 and thus losing some cycles here and there but nothing as bad as on the Mac).
@@daveeyes Wow. I loved the series of articles you wrote in the 80s that were published in the French ST-Magazine. Do you have a link to these stories?
Does anyone remember Colourspace by Jeff Minter (Llamasoft)? Jeff is still going strong; a prolific and talented programmer. I met him at a computer show in in the UK (presumably late 80s) and I recall that he was a really nice chap.
Jim Kent. Before he speaks, I know that he will be smart. If a man is confident enough to look like him in the job, you know, that the man knows what he is doing.
@@noelsaw now you sure have a great memory. Yes. I remember the photo they used to advertise spectrum 512. A very colourful clown face *_Paul, Liverpool UK_*
so the only thing you couldn't do was play games....the ST had like 50 times the games library of the Mac in those days, so not exactly a drawback. So to allow an Atari ST to basically be a half-priced Mac Plus or SE is pretty amazing.
12:10, 23:30, 24:50 ... THANK YOU ... and I was always wondering why FALCON 030 and 040 silently "disappeared" ... business as usual ... just like nowadays ... I miss some really interesting tools and desktop publishing software programs ... GEMINI (tweaking the TOS user interface), Signum and Script from Application Systems Heidelberg (pretty cool stuff from Germany at these times ... I was running my own BBS Mailbox on my Mega ST (with a 30MB hardisk) ... my father freaked out when he saw the telephone BILL ...
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I owned a 1040ST. It was the only computer I've ever seen that actually had in the manual that if your computer wouldn't boot it might because heat caused the hand-installed computer chips might pop out of their sockets so the solution was to pick up the front of the computer and drop it on your desk from 2-3 inches a few times to reseat all the chips.
Interesting to hear Adam Kent’s tendency to “uptalk”. He looks and sounds like he came out of today (2019), even in his physical mannerisms. I wonder if this is some of the earliest audio evidence of “uptalk”. More importantly, would Adam Kent’s manner of speaking imply that this style was common in younger tech circles of the time, and the reason that “uptalk” is pervasive now can be directly/indirectly correlated to the dominance of the tech industry?
I used an upgraded Mega4 with a ET4000 VGA adapter on a 1280x1024 NEC monitor, running Calamus, and I had a 450mb SCSI hard drive. I wanted to put a SCSI optical drive on it, but never got around to it.
4 years too late, but I believe it was a collaboration between the two companies. Also worth bearing in mind that software was often distributed by different companies in different regions, and developers also changed distributors over time. Often the distributor’s name was on the box, not the developer’s.
Nice of them to let Charles Manson out for an episode of Computer Chronicles.
That’s what I thought when I saw the thumbnail lol
They had young Stephen King teaching music class and young Paul Bearer next to Manson !!
Haha that's what I thought!
I think everyone came here for this comment lollll
Watch him upgrade the Motorola 68000 cpu by using a machete and an ice pick.
I only clicked on this vid. to hear what Charles Manson has to say on the Atari ST.
Will Scarlett well,it's like this,see,as you key keep vote for all that is not and won't ever be,you can go to be with,you see? I don't give computer text or English 'kill'for you clown creep play your on my networks? Your not ever having one Ista of any be,phish off,runt,Gits?
Me too!
Nailed it
Hahaha
Ha ha! LOL.
Thumbs up if u watched this video purely for the Charles Manson-lookalike in the thumbnail screenshot. He's even wearing a prison-like blue shirt.
Purely here for Charles Manson look and Atari word
I was seeing that pic in the corner of my eye and i was instantly thinking What the hell is Charles Manson doing there between computer videos and then i was like oohh nevermind :P
The Charles Manson look and Atari are like two peas in a pod. Charles Manson looks good with a joystick. I'd like to play some of the games he would program.
Modern day geeks really need to step up their game; look at the effort this fella's put in
I did. Was this coincidence? I don't think so. You see, Charles was deeply into assembler back before assembler was cool. He particularly like popping things on and off stacks and registers of various lengths. He may have orchestrated the most famous multiple mutilation in history but he could code man.
looks like a million people beat me to saying a cool Charles Manson joke...damn.
What fun!!
I wrote the Magic Sac and Spectre 128/GCR.
Fun to come across this show!
Wowwwww! Dave Small! Your Spectre GCR helped me through college and afterwards with Mac software. Thanks for your awesome products!
Thanks for creating both products. I wanted a Mac back then but could not afford it. Your product allowed me to run Mac software.
Stewart Chiefet deserves a lifetime award.
Word!
I totally agree. He is a legend ..
Absolutely!
Atari ST. Started my life. Atari 520 STFM. then later a Atari 4160STE. Boyhood dream Atari Falcon
Atari ST 1024 running Cubase hooked up to an Akai 1000 Sampler.. That was ground breaking.
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I love Computer Chronicles. When I saw the kinder hippie version of Charles Manson demonstrate Cyber Paint, I thought "hmm that looks a lot like Autodesk Animator that I played a lot with in the early '90s" and by jove, AA was actually an evolution of Cyber Paint. So fun to discover these little tidbits!
I just came here for the Manson jokes, I wasn’t disappointed.
I came here because he looks like Charles Manson
Jim Kent is a genius. Look up his contributions to the human genome project.
Participating in that project means he was scum.
I loved my ST.
It smelled nice as well
Half of the music I wrote for my GCSE Music was made on an ST at school, and the other half on my Amiga. They were both absolute beasts for music, each with their own strengths and weaknesses.
Imogen Heap wrote her early music on the Atari ST. She still swears by it (from what I've read about her).
@@telengardforever7783 That's awesome 😎
If Amiga or atari had a Steve Jobs, we'd be on new Atari or Amiga computers right now. In the late 80's, an Amiga 2000 or atari could do anything a $9000 mac quadra could do for 1/4 the price.
Who knew Charles Manson had this much computer knowledge!
I am not going to comment about Charles Manson because everyone else has.
So you're not a low-effort scrub farming for e-points? Good.
Yellowblanka
No just a 30 year software engineer who knew many great software engineers that looked just like him. 🤪
@@charlesbaldo Yeah, I imagine anybody who has worked in Scientific/Technical fields have encountered a least a handful of people like him who are more concerned with their field/craft than obsessive grooming habits, lol.
Yellowblanka
Amen to that. It was said Albert Einstein’s wife would pack his suitcase for a trip come home untouched. Einstein put his shoes and socks on like everyone else. Just did it in that order.
Somewhere in the bowels of my house resides my Mega 2 ST that my mother graciously purchased for me back in 1988 for college. Great machine back in the day... playing Jim Yee's Midi Maze with multiple ST's connected was also a real blast!!
want to sell that Mega ST?
my best memories of the ATARI ST were the pirate groups.. POMPEY PIRATES, MEDWAY BOYS, AUTOMATION, CYNIX, FOF, BBC etc.. loved it.
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@@edstar83 hahahaha fuuuuuuuk u :) heheheh.. made me laugh mate.. nice one :)
@@sheepthehack I grew up with Amiga but I've always liked the Atari ST too.
You’ll always be missed Gary.
Fun to see this. I didn't search for it.. youtube suggested it. Jim Kent developed a simple language that was used for game development on Atari ST way back when. It was published in a magazine at the time. I used it to fool around with an ST and make simple games. Jim Kent went on to perform computing related to the human genome study. Look it up. It's interesting.
That bearded guy (Jim Kent) got Benjamin Franklin award for his contribution to Human Genome Project.
Jim Kent is a really cool dude. I saw him give a talk in the mid 2000s and he was amazing.
The Atari 1040 st was my first computer that I had in my own house. I used it for hosting a BBS system (Olympus BBS) and logging into other bay area BBS systems in the '80's. I also had a subscription to Genie (competitor to Compuserve), which was a large BBS system, or basically a precursor to the internet. The Atari was way ahead of its time. In particular, the graphics blew anything away at the time. When Windows 3.1 came out, I remember thinking thta my Atari was still superior in actual use. I ended up giving the computer to a friend in the early '90's because he liked playing Star Trek the game on it so much.
For those who are commenting about the long-haired Hippie, that is Jim Kent, who later contributed to the human genome project.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Kent
I bought an Atari ST Mega4 in 1987 and used Hybrid Arts SMPTE TRK as my MIDI DAW. I was at a presentation by the Hybrid Arts team in BellFlower CA. Stefan Daystrom was the designer of the software and that night I was SOLD.
Had racks of synths and a big mixer to run everything into. Recorded on a Tascam 688 8 track cassette deck. It was a great setup. I had a HUGE 20MB hard drive as big as a shoe box and never even close to filling it up because MIDI files are so small. Today, a couple hi-res photos and 20MB is gone. But at the time files and apps were very efficient and took relatively little space.
These days I have even more power in my laptop with zero external gear, racks, cables, stands, etc. Today's musicians are very fortunate. But good to see a few using the old gear. The late 80's and early 90's were the golden age of synths and MIDI DAWs. Best of luck.
I had calamus and was a fan of vector graphics. Used to highly enjoy making fancy looking newspaper prints for school. I made the school IT teacher look silly cos I was so good at the time thanks to ATARIST
I remember the Atari v Amiga rivalry at school. I think Amiga had the edge in terms of graphics and games.
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Yep. But the ST’s edge was its ultra high res mono monitor. This made it great for writing papers etc. They each had their strengths.
yeah just graphics and sound lol
Computers sure had their roles at the time, IBM/Clones were locked into the business sector, Macintosh had the Desktop publishing market, Amiga had the video production, and Atari ST had music composure.
To which it all converged into the PC with its add-on board capabilities and economies of scale to have available super powerful specs by the mid 90s for cheap.
5:47 if you freeze frame , it looks like Charles Manson is taking to feds with a lawyer
lol Never talk to chefit and kildall without the presence of a lawyer.
I was about to comment about this manson lookalike in the comment section, but i see you got it covered.
Charles Manson has escaped! :D
LOL That's exactly who I thought that was at first when I saw the thumbnail.
I was like "what's Charles Manson doing talking about an ATari ST?"
Seriously the thumbnail looks like CM's gonna give a quick talk on programming or something.
His beard is gone now. alchetron.com/Jim-Kent-670105-W
Holy crap! Time hasn't been kind to him or drugs are a B*tch.
lol jim kent still got that beard
They weren’t very impressed with Charles Manson’s paint program. That disappointment is why he did what he did.
6:55 I think this is awesome enough to completely redeem Manson. In fact, he should have been released for developing this.
Charles manson is like ...I can now start a race war from prison bitches and Atari is gonna help me(cue helter skelter music) end scene...
I would love a show like this today, slow conversations with a focus on consumer interests. Watching a tech channel on youtube today feels like a kids show with ads, everything is so fast and in your face.
I'm going to reply to your comment, but first... _This new VPN is amazing, get it now!!!_
This aired a month and 4 years before my arrival, and now at 33 I'm watching
Love Love Love the Atari ST :D
I had a 520 ST before buying a IBM compatible PC. One night I was up late typing a paper for my English/Lit 1 class assignment in 1st Word and fell I asleep. My brother woke me up and he noticed I had diagonal imprints on my forehead. My head was on my ST above the keyboard layout.
Also !
I had an Atari ST mega4 with a 60mb harddrive. Sadly my mother tossed it when we moved a decade ago... I still boot up STEEM and play ballerburg from time to time :). We only had monochrome monitors for it though.
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I'm surprised Gary Kildall didn't mention that it was running Digital Research's GEM desktop. There's only one passing mention of it.
Gary was too cool to brag
From what I've seen on CC, Gary is pretty humble and quiet about his contributions to computer science. He's very professional about it - he's a host, not the subject matter.
@@superscatboy It would be wrong for him to mention how great his GEM desktop was at the time . ATARI loved it and the ST buyers loved it .
Nostalgic! This show was always cool to watch. I'm sure it helped push me to enter the computer science field.
more so now as an adult to I love this old crap shame they stopped making these shows😢😢
Before Animator Studio Pro, there was Cyber Paint on the ST!!!
Everyone looked like Charles Manson in the 80’s lol
Dude the thumbnail of video had my tripping
In the 70's, they did. In the 80's, more people wore the kinds of sweaters you see in this video.
0:30 is that his hand or is he really exited about the atari st
My first computer, back in 1991 best $400 i ever spent.
1991 my first one was commodore 64 with the cassette player lllol good old times
Loved my 1040 ST. It was my second computer after an Apple II+.
Man, Commodore and Atari... just two more visionary companies ruined by bad marketing and shortsighted planing. '89 was still a good year...but just two years later, oh my...
flatshade Mac,Comkodore,Atari, ink vats literate patent copywrite plan Gary's invention of license follows to rigours created in Unknown developments that occurred enthrough several supercomputer installations,where this is documented from shown here. Eventual quarry was Pentium Intel splitter bomb ,which Gary was said too call securities of utmost every nature,so,today when you view this you too will comment kill terror Manson invites of crazed hippys to play outside way back gun slinger games eh?
Boot,Hill,McGraw(That's 'bill' in Gary's slang?)
@@stevebez2767 2 years later still holds the internet record for word salad.
i think this (former) show is interesting especially as i am 16 seeing old stuff like this is very intriguing to me thanks guys good work
I had an ST, quickly sold it and got an Amiga A500 after seeing one in use. Shortly after I switched to Silicon Graphics for an animation project
The Amiga was a lot more widely used and had a lot more software and options available.
The Atari 1040ST was the first computer w/ at least 1MB RAM to cost under US$1000. Oh, and something interesting about Gary Kildall being on this episode is that the TOS operating system (ST/TT/Falcon computers) uses his GEM GUI.
It's kind of terrible, journalim ethics wise, that they wouldn't mention the co-host's OS is on that atari.
no, kildall wrote CP/M.... gem was digital research...... get your facts right....
@@chloedevereaux1801 Gary Kildal the founder of Digital Research and was its CEO when GEM was made
@@farquoi Well, technically, GEM is just the UI part of TOS...like it was a UI for DOS on x86 PCs.
TOS is made of GEM DOS and GEM, both licensed by Atari from Kildall's company Digital Research. Oops.
The Atari ST was used by musicians during the 80s, for MIDI sequencing and other applications.
Awesome, thanks for posting! I love the Atari ST!
ArcadeDude44 an Albert Camus,right...ooooi,shut up you frogging geek,eh?
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Congratulations, and warm wishes to both of you on your wedding day
OH GOD that's what they used at our local model hobby shop, Norwegian Modellers! It's how I discovered how an RC helicopter is insanely difficult to control for a 12-year old.
It's so wild -- these videos bring back memories. I remember when this all was cutting edge and new. Yet now it looks ancient. And it was expensive, even in today's money.
An “affordable ST” with a color display and hard drive was almost $3K in today’s money. A name brand PC clone with crappy graphics and no sound was about $6K in 2023 dollars, and a color Mac of the era was almost $10K in 2023 dollars. Crazy!
Never knew Charles Manson was behind Cyber Paint!
What's sad is computer hardware reviewers harshly criticized both ATARI and Commodore as being game machines,even though they never even extensively used either the ST or AMIGA computers. Both of which were a better buy than an Intel or Mac
Well isn't that what the Amiga was? It surely didn't have the high resolution modes that business users required (1024x768 @ 72Hz) because of its NTSC heritage. The hardware never really advanced, which didn't help with credibility for the company. Imagine if the original Iphone came out and Apple 10 years later then kept pushing the same Iphone as the best phone ever without a single technological upgrade to it. It would've been laughed at so hard. That's exactly what happened with Commodore.
Just dropping by to say, every time I see this thumbnail in my suggested videos...I think I'm looking at Charles Manson!
We had SO much fun with our ST. Great to see this.
thats a beautiful 80s combover
Oh, the Winner's Circle computer store. That store was a mess, it was full of tennis gear and computers all stacked on top of each other.
6:09 I didn't know Charles Manson was a computer geek!
TheCunnu12 I know all what you know
Thanks for this... great work
I wanna know the longer term results of that dolphin and seal experiment. How long did it go on, and did they ever upgrade the Atari ST to a PC to continue the experiment in the future?
I like Gary kildall very knowledgeable but he knows how to speak in layman's terms
Yep the man who could have been Bill Gates if he didnt skip that IBM meeting to go flying , Bill Gates just presumed Gary turned it down anyway as he was the type of person who really wasnt into fame and fortune and already was well established so i guess the right person got the job in the end.
@@christineayres5339 That’s the legend. But I’ve heard other accounts.
such an amazing episode. wow. this is where modern music making all began.
The reason I had the Atari and not the Amiga :)
Omg 3:33 I went to this college and the guy with the glasses was my instructor. In 1991 they were all Macs.
This was the cool era, everybody looked cool and hip. Charles Manson was doing digital animations, and even the aquarium researchers looked like Hollywood actors.
One of the most exciting days of my life was getting a 520stfm
Those animations were incredible.
And it was made by people NOT major software companies . Much of the ATARI ST software was made by small independent artists .
Calamus, the killer of the print industry. Loved that program.
It's interesting to see how software developers back in those days used to have at least two different versions of the the same software title. They had one with lower and one with higher system requirements, depending on the capabilities of your computer. So not only did you have to chose a software for your platform, but you also had to choose the right version that is not too demanding on your computer.
I remember this show. How time passes.
In the late 80s there was a great war amongst 16-bit systems: Atari ST, Commodore Amiga, Apple and IBM PC compatibles. IBM PC won this deadly war.
Bruce Stephan thats what I meant. I still consider late 80s/early 90s up to around 1996 as the best times for IT. I still maintain and run MS-DOS based machine as my personal favorite desktop box... and Linux (which started in 1991) on servers.
its amazing they had midi multi tracking back in 89 ,
although , back then im sure the sounds were more realistic using actual hardware based equipment
It amazes me how powerful this software was running at 8mhz on a 16 bit bus...also the Mac emulator ran 10-20 percent faster on the ST with 640 X 480. This capability made it very hard to obtain Mac ROMs unless one traded in old ones.
They simply didn't have to emulate the process. I had the later Spectre GCR emulator on my 1040 STf. The grayscale resolution was 640x400, btw., not 480. You basically traded a little RAM (the Spectre software used some) but had an 8 instead of 7 MHz 68K processor running the software. Most software I used back then ran fine. Needed some tweaking for printer support and switching disks was a little strange (the Mac's 3.5" disk drive could eject floppies automatically, whereas you had to push a button on the Atari), but if you already had an Atari ST (which was a lot less expensive than a real Mac Plus), Spectre GCR was a very inexpensive way to use Mac software.
@@fryke The Mac was clocked at 7.9 MHz so theoretically just a little bit slower than the ST. The difference was that the screen refresh circuitry was more primitive on the Mac and blocked the bus during refresh thuis stealing a lot of cycles from the CPU. The CPU ran effectively only at around 5MHz because of that on the Mac. The ST had faster RAM and the refresh was better hidden so that the 68K in the Atari could run almost the whole time at its real 8MHz clock (there were some instructions that would have their cycle count rounded up to a multiple of 4 and thus losing some cycles here and there but nothing as bad as on the Mac).
Thank you very much! I wrote the Magic Sac and Spectre 128/GCR.
What fun seeing them on this show!!
Thanks, David Small
@@daveeyes Wow. I loved the series of articles you wrote in the 80s that were published in the French ST-Magazine. Do you have a link to these stories?
Does anyone remember Colourspace by Jeff Minter (Llamasoft)? Jeff is still going strong; a prolific and talented programmer. I met him at a computer show in in the UK (presumably late 80s) and I recall that he was a really nice chap.
Had one in my first year of college
Wow Dan Aykroyd was Atari ST User!
Duh! It wasn't a toy
Spies like us!
Just ordered my transcript.
The retail price of the IIci .. $8000 hooomygood! So glad the times have changed... ;)
Defo
Apple was always overpriced. I'd take an Atari Mega ST or Amiga 2000 before a Mac IIci, back then.
when that robot zombie thing came out of the swamp i thought it was going to walk out of screen it was so real
Ha! I had a Casio FZ-1 sampler hooked up to my ST running Cubase w mono monitor back in the day... I was 16!
No idea why its taken this many years to find this when i swear I've searched for content on youtube lol
I never knew Stephen King worked as the director music engineering at Cogswell College.
Quartet on the ST was amazing.
At 20:08 "...and it works quite well." aww, that's so reassuring cute. I'll think about buying that one...
Jim Kent. Before he speaks, I know that he will be smart. If a man is confident enough to look like him in the job, you know, that the man knows what he is doing.
Used to love the paint shop programs that tried to trick St into more than 16 colours. At once
Spectrum 512
@@noelsaw now you sure have a great memory. Yes. I remember the photo they used to advertise spectrum 512. A very colourful clown face *_Paul, Liverpool UK_*
Lol didn't realize your comment was 5 years ago
There was also the very colorful bee too
@@noelsaw good memories. I like the technology back in the day. I don’t like the technology of today however! *_Paul, Liverpool UK_*
so the only thing you couldn't do was play games....the ST had like 50 times the games library of the Mac in those days, so not exactly a drawback. So to allow an Atari ST to basically be a half-priced Mac Plus or SE is pretty amazing.
Back when a click really sounded like a knock.
Wow, look at the CGI and the opening rolling credits from the sponsors at the start of this feature. Did they create those on the Atari ST too? ;-)
12:10, 23:30, 24:50 ... THANK YOU ... and I was always wondering why FALCON 030 and 040 silently "disappeared" ... business as usual ... just like nowadays ... I miss some really interesting tools and desktop publishing software programs ... GEMINI (tweaking the TOS user interface), Signum and Script from Application Systems Heidelberg (pretty cool stuff from Germany at these times ... I was running my own BBS Mailbox on my Mega ST (with a 30MB hardisk) ... my father freaked out when he saw the telephone BILL ...
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I owned a 1040ST. It was the only computer I've ever seen that actually had in the manual that if your computer wouldn't boot it might because heat caused the hand-installed computer chips might pop out of their sockets so the solution was to pick up the front of the computer and drop it on your desk from 2-3 inches a few times to reseat all the chips.
I also used to the deskdrop on my 1040ST! Lift one side up a couple of inches and… bang!
My Atari ST played the shit out of some Time Bandit, that's for sure.
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If it wasn't for the MIDI port as standard, the Atari ST would've died long before it actually did.
Charlie over there tried to kill it, but it didn't take.
Interesting to hear Adam Kent’s tendency to “uptalk”. He looks and sounds like he came out of today (2019), even in his physical mannerisms. I wonder if this is some of the earliest audio evidence of “uptalk”. More importantly, would Adam Kent’s manner of speaking imply that this style was common in younger tech circles of the time, and the reason that “uptalk” is pervasive now can be directly/indirectly correlated to the dominance of the tech industry?
I used an upgraded Mega4 with a ET4000 VGA adapter on a 1280x1024 NEC monitor, running Calamus, and I had a 450mb SCSI hard drive. I wanted to put a SCSI optical drive on it, but never got around to it.
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Still the best music computer. Unless you like updating while your inspiration is lost.
6:06 for Mr. Manson
OMG hes even wearing a Jail suit LMAO
4:34 - "Notator, by Digidesign". No way, I'm pretty sure Notator was a C-Labs product, from Germany.
4 years too late, but I believe it was a collaboration between the two companies. Also worth bearing in mind that software was often distributed by different companies in different regions, and developers also changed distributors over time. Often the distributor’s name was on the box, not the developer’s.
these guys were emulating the competition like pros