I have a Smith & Wesson model 686 stainless steel revolver that I've had for a while and I love it and I have carried it in a holster (I live in Arizona) Right now I carry a S&W MP 2.0 in .40 S&W (concealed) and thankfully I've never had to use any of my weapons. Overall, it doesn't matter, whether you carry a .38 +P, or whatever else, when a bad guy sees you're armed, in most cases they'll think twice before starting any trouble with you. I knew a gal back in 1994 who carried a revolver, she was doing her Christmas shopping at Arrowhead Mall, those of you in the Phoenix area know the mall opened in late 1994, at the time the area was remote. She was walking to her car and noticed that she was being followed by a suspicious guy, it was around dusk. She told me she set her bags down, pulled her .357 revolver out of her purse, and when the guy saw the weapon, he turned and ran in the opposite direction.
I've seen a couple Model 60's that are over 65 years old and they look brand new, shiny as hell, not a scratch on them. That stainless steel is just so damn durable. Love that little gun.
I own a model 60 but with a 3" barrel. It's still easy to conceal carry and, with an extra 0.75" barrel, the ballistic performance of the .357s out of that barrel length will certainly beat the ballistic performance of any 9mm+p loads. Yes, the recoil out of my model 60 is considerable but, personally, it's easily manageable. Nevertheless, I seldom practice firing .357 rounds out of it because I don't see the need to defend myself with .357 rounds as I don't live in a state that gets snowy in late fall on to wintertime and early spring. I don't go hunting either. My $0.02.
Being confident in your carry piece is a big part of the equation. I carry vintage J frames ranging from 1962 to 1982. I’m confident with my choice and know it’s limitations and mine. I think the .357mag J frames are badass. I need one just for fun, & I know I’d carry it too. 😎 Thanks for the video.
Just got a Model 60 last week and got to shoot it today on free range day at local gun store/range. It is a replacement/supplement for my Taurus 605 that went back for bad cylinder. It is awesome. Sure some top end full house .357 Magnum loads will hurt it is still manageable. The best part is the more time I have spent with my snubbies the better my shooting gets. You master a snub you can shoot anything. Even my 629's groups are shrinking. My Taurus 66 groups today are probably best I ever shot. 20 shots under 2 1/4" at 7 yards that included 2 fliers from the rest of the group. My snubs are my preferred carry gun. Unleash the Noisy Cricket and brown stains will happen!
Hey, I completely understand what you're saying. I'm just one of those cases where a j-frame .38 makes sense for primary concealed carry all the time. I'm 5' 9", 125-129lbs depending on the week. Got a small build and am low on the strength end. I couldn't possibly conceal most semi-autos or a larger revolver. I have a S&W 638 that I load with regular 38. I haven't messed around with +P yet. I feel adequately protected in my every day life. However, I'd like to look at getting a .357 for when I'm camping. I'd rather it be a 3 or 4 inch barrel to help manage the recoil, though. Love your channel and honest input. Thanks man
Dave, Great info, wonderful job on clarifying some the differences/nuances, I too am a S&W fan and have many to prove it, one suggestion for your winter carry, a glock model 26/27,10rd mag with a back up mag from a 19/23 (Just something I do :)
I own and carry several different 357's both iwb and owb. I've got 2 different S&W Model 60's. My wife keeps one in her nightstand loaded with 38spl +p loads. My model 60 3in and model 65 3in are probably my 2 favorite revolvers. I also believe in cartridge uniformity. Only thing that gets more carry time for me is my Gen 5 G19.
That is why I will never again buy any kind of .357 snub nose or even a medium frame revolver. .357 magnum should be fired through an L frame revolver or a GP100 with at least a 4 inch barrel. Snub nose revolvers are for .38 special.
I have no problem with my J frame 60 357 Magnum I got the factory rubber grips handles recoil very well Smith & Wesson makes a strong revolver it's forged-steel
I bought a new S&W model 637 airweight with a 2.5" barrel, and I sold it due to recoil and target reacquisition. Shooting it was unpleasant. I replaced it with a model 60 & I love it. The longer dense rubber combat grip, Much better recoil & re-target.
Good video man, I like it. I have some (not all) of the same philosophy on revolvers/semiautos. Smith revolvers have always been kind of a love affair for me. Even though I mostly carry my G19. Summer time goes to the j-frame in the front pocket.
I too have a Smith & Wesson 586-3 with a 4-in barrel. I bought it 32 years ago and it's a great gun but as you mentioned with yours you can't conceal that heavy thing. Though I have a permit to carry I rarely do but I decided that I should have something when I do want to carry so after all this time I now have ordered the Smith & Wesson model 60 two and a quarter inch barrel. This will be my first J frame I own but the smaller size will definitely be better for concealed carryment.
I don't care if the bad guy is wearing 5 thick winter jackets, I don't think it's stopping a .38 special. Winter jackets are not bulletproof armor. Most thick clothing will stop expansion, but it will still poke a .35 caliber hole in the bad guy. And I have a feeling that the bad guy won't tell difference between an expanded bullet and a non expanded one.
I like the model 60 personally. Small frame easy to conceal (First thing I did was switch out the grips for smaller rosewood grips for concealment ease) and as a true just for protection as a last available option 5 rounds will usually be more than enough. Too many people watching Hollywood movies think they are going to get into a 3, 15+ round magazine gunfire exchange in a personal fight or flight situation. I never feel under gunned when carrying my model 60. If I feel I need more then I will opt to carry my trusty 1911, .45 which I have owned for about 40 years, if that will not do it I went to the wrong place to begin with! One thing is whether you choose to load the weapon with full house .357 or plain Jane .38 or +p loads with the current state of ammunition availability in most places you do have multiple options as to caliber to be able to purchase a box or 3 of cartridges that will work in the weapon which that alone is a win. I also recommend a revolver as a self defense weapon for a person not really use to handling a fire arm or someone looking for just a protection piece. A revolver is easy to load and unload, does not possibly have a mechanical safety that may become a problem under pressure for someone newer to firearms in a tense critical situation and basically will never have a jam or failure to eject which again for a non gun person in a critical situation can only be considered a plus. Also a revolver does not require disassembly to clean another plus for non gun savvy newbies. I do recommend that most newbies and smaller females to use .38 special ammunition as it will more than do the job in an emergency and at close range which is what this gun is best used for. Just a simple to understand and operate tool all the way around. Follows the KISS motto, Keep It Simple Stupid! And actually in today's political climate as much as I hate to even feel like I need to say it you can pretty much feel comfortable that a lowly revolver will not be in the cross hairs of those that want to erode our 2nd Amendment as the round count will be considered to be too low to be on their targeted bans of weapons they think we should not be able to own going forward into the future. I do not have that same feeling about any pistols which boast a 10-15 round capacity as I do think those weapons will be targeted. Regardless a revolver still makes a good defensive weapon and the model 60 is a nice easily concealable piece.
Nice video Dave! My first gun was a Smith and Wesson model 36 which I purchased back in 1972 and I still carry from time to time. What I like about it is that you can shoot it in your pocket if you need to. Try that with a pistol. LOL
This is one of the few new models that I'm kind of interested in. I've got 5 older ones, my "newest" is a 642 no dash. No lock on it and traditional thumb piece on it and if it's hammer were exposed it would have the firing pin still on it. I think the frame mounted firing pin is more of a turn off than the lock, though they could've picked a better spot for it. Still, the new 60 is nice.
I put a really nice crimson trace laser sight thats built into the grip on mine. I carry a pocket pistol mostly but if I know I'm going into a bad part of town, I take the sure fire 60.
@Gun News & Reviews Great video. Informative and easy to follow. My question is this, what brand is the holster you are holding up at the ten minute mark? The iwb one to be more specific. Thanks.
Well done review. I consider your points to be wise from experience and straight forward without trying to influence. What else do you have? I'm curious.
I use Hornaday critical defense. Bullet is made to defeat clothing and made for short barrel guns. At only 115 grain in +p it is moving even out of a stubby. Bob that hammer and the 60 is a great carry gun even with just +p in it.
David------I like how you think. I really have become a wheel guy. lol you are right about getting old and ,maybe not so "Tactical " as youngsters. I have been doing a lot of re-loading for 357..........are you into re-loading? My daughter is coming up for a visit and I will have her post my revolver pictures.....my wife and I cant figure it .....lol.......you come from Minn. .....beautiful up there
I just commented something similar before reading your comment. Yeah, I guess there are a lot of us with a common mindset.
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My first "grown-up" pistol was a Smith & Wesson .38 Special "snubby" I got for my 13th B-Day in 1970. Couldn't legally be mine until I turned 21 but non one shot it but me.
Nicely-done video; good and fair points. Re. putting down multiple threats, I would bet that when you present a 357 and touch off that first round, the other threats are going to run.
Yes, the Glock is definitely one of the ugliest guns produced today! The Ruger is just a stout little powerhouse! IMO the .38 +P is plenty powerful at shorter distances, especially during the summer months. I switch off between my Sig 320sc and S&W 640 Pro, both work well for me as carry options! Great video... Edit…I found a model 60 in .357, going to go great with my 640 Pro
Awsome video I own the model 60-9 also Love It I have the pre lock model though.. I think when guys start talking 5rounds only blah blah blah I say listen If you cant take care of your problem with 5rounds of 357 most likely you are not prepared and need to practice more often.. thanks for sharing your video
just between you and i. what you have is good for a collector, but you want the option of a lock. do you have to set it? no. but it is good to have the option if you need it. just my point of view
If you are concerned with 38 subby penetration go with a semi wad cutter in 158 grains. (FBI loads). Loads of penetration. For expansion use a good quality 110 grain jacketed hollow point bullet. It is all about the ammo you are using on those snubbies. Try some Buffalo Bore soft lead SWC 158 grainers. They have both std. Velocity as well as +P loads in the same weight bullets
I disagree with you regarding the effectiveness of 38 +P. I’ve seen it perform reliably & there are more than a few bullet weights in that caliber that are more then effective for all practical purposes. I do agree with your J frame choices. I’ll alternate between a model 60-9 & a Ruger SP101 myself.
I have a 1972 Model 60, and I can’t get .357 rounds into the cylinder...lol! I’ve been meaning to buy a newer Model 60 for a couple of years, but haven’t done so yet. The Gen 5 Glock 19 was my first Glock purchase, mostly because it’s the first Glock I really like.
is it a 38? thats why 38s and 357 mag are different sizes. to keep you from blowing your gun up. it should say on the gun, what to load. they are 36 cal with more or less powder.
Not sure about 38 not penetrating clothing and such.. I did hillbilly ballistics and took an old carhartt coat folded it over laid it over a thin piece of sheet metal with a 2x4 behind it and a 380 out of a bodyguard went through everything at 15 feet.. if it's for self defense anything over 20-25 feet you will have some explaining to do
You've got some really nice revolvers there! We think just alike on minimum caliber for carry in cold climates. Some of those thick jackets, especially leather, are tough as rhino hide. What's the next revolver, a big bore? I got a Super Redhawk 8" in .454C a few years ago. Don't shoot it much, but when I do it's memorable. : ) Thanks for sharing your collection with us DR.
a kind of stiff wadcutter load from Buffalo Bore or George Arms would do very well out of those 38 special snubbies. and having a 686 Plus with a 2.5 or 3 inch barrel would be nice for appendix carry. and you get 7 not 6 rounds in it.. I carry my M66 and M19 2.5 alot in cold weather appendix carry. and warmer weather I carry the J frame 38 specials. and NO , they are not too light. they will get the job done. there are alot of load selections for it.
I owned a model 60-14 since June 2021. I shoot it better in single action. I usual shoot most furriest distance is 5 yards. Try max distance at range next time. I also own an old Combat Masterpiece 15-4 manufactured In 1982. Has adjustable sights and shoots really nice. Bought for $200 from member of my gun club. It was his service revolver as a peace officer at a local airport before went to semi autos. I shot 357 thru my model 60. What a kick. Prefer shoot plus ps for self defense.
I agree with you on 38. +p being underpowered sometimes.. but to remedy that i've found Underwood ammo has the best 38.+p 125 grain xtp load. Rated at 1250fps. Comes in around 1100 fps out of a snub. Still quite a punch for 38.
nice guns, but not yet. s&w bodyguard or nna 22. your choice of gun nna has many. both of the guns that you have are the same size. you need a low key gun. just a thought. i have all three myself. my 60-15 3 inch barrel i dont have the 13 or 14 smith. my glock 19 is gen3, nna wasp 22 lr and 22 mag, and i do have the bodyguard 380. i also have a bond arms 45 colt/ 110 shotgun derrenger. hard to find ammo right now. keep it in thought
Hi Dave, The M60 is a fine gun, however I opted for the Ruger SP101 .357 instead because 1) the cylinder release pushes in not forward: 2) the gun is heavier so it manages 357 recoil better: 3) the grips are smaller making it easier to conceal inside the waistband or pocket: 4) the 2.25" bbl is slightly longer: 5) the hammer spring is coiled wire not a flat leaf spring which is I believe is vastly superior: 6) the Ruger is built like a little tank much stronger than the M60 similar to the GP100 being stronger (more metal & no side plate) than the 686 & 7) the Ruger is about $100 less. But to each their own. Luckily we have lots if alternatives to choose from. Good luck with it.
you did your homework. the 60 is lighter (24 oz), better to carry. the trigger is better (for me), not a choppy double action like the ruger (had one). single action python light, and it does cost more. i have the 3 inch barrel. love it. 2.25 is not long enough for the full effect of the round. 3 inches the least. The ruger is known as a tank. nice buy. just not for me.
i also like the transfer bar that the ruger has. its a little noisy, but effective. the smiths hammer comes back a fraction of an inch, not to touch the firing pin
Do you have an idead of muzzle velocity with a 125 grain 357 out of this model 60 ? Have you had ay unexpected wear from shooting 357 mag through the J frame ? Thanks
I'm still scratching my head over how the Model 60 38 Special was able to magically morph into a 357 Magnum without my permission. S&W owes me an explanation on this. 😊 🙈 🤓
I think the 38 is a pretty good CCW! If you doubt it watch jack ruby take out lee Harvey Oswald! You are NOT UNDER GUNED! Speed loaders help with the crazy kids today!
From the tests I’ve seen, your penetration worries are unfounded. Most tests use 4 layers of heavy denim and many rounds penetrate more through clothing. Nearly all of the 38’s tested by Lucky Gunner penetrated MORE than 12”.
You don’t need 357 to beat heavy winter clothing. .22 long rifle will do that with no problem. As will 38 special, including the cowboy loads, 32ACP and any load I can think of off. I’m not sure about 22 short but if I would have to bet I would bet on 22 short penetrating heavy winter clothing as well
If you had a choice between a 60-15 today, a 60-14 in 14 days, or a 60-16 (pro) in 20 days, which would you choose? (With COVID the ten day wait has been prolonged)
In my state you can't use hollowpoints for self-defense, I'd rather depend on .38spl lead soft-nose vs. 9mm hardball. And most Glocks aren't legal since their magazines hold more than 10-rounds so there's no capacity advantage.
the 19 shoots like butter. 357 is about three times as much recoil. 380, 38 special 9mm and 357 are all 36 cal bullets. different powder, same bullet. look it up
Maybe a dumb question, but is it true that you should not shoot alot of .357 out of a j frame because the frame might crack? I think i would prefer a .357 model 60 over a model 686 L frame but the whole point of a revolver is reliability and i read about stainless steel j frames cracking when shooting lots of .357, which i intend to do for practice. What is your experience on this matter?
I don't know too much about new ones, but that was an issue with older k frames like the Model 19 and 66. If you shot too many light gr mags out of them the forcing cone could crack. I don't believe that's the case now.
@@erictalkington5674 even the latest model 19 now has a beefy forcing cone on the stainless barrel insert even in the blue frame. Plus the added additional lock in crane area for extra strength. Modern heat treat solved frame stretch.
Ever considered a K frame? I have a 66 with the 2.5 inches barrel. The size seem really damn close, the extra width of the cylinder is in the waist band so it won't matter, it is more controlable and has the extra round. I have been watching videos about the 60, trying to convince myself I need one...but the more I research...the more I might stick to my 66... I will eventually get a J frame...but an older one just for the fun of it...
@@slowpokebr549 Since my comment I have aquired a Ruger SP101. It changed my opinion... The difference in size isn't that noticeable BUT once you try carrying it, it makes a huge difference! I did not think it would make that much difference! Now I need to search a clean used model 60...or buy a new one if I really enjoy shooting it.
If yoou don't like "WEAR and Tear" appearance, well, if you CARRY one, it will get dinged up. I have a 637 S&W among other handguns. The 637 I carry in a coat pocket in the WINTER here in Texas. The Aluminum frame on mine looks awful and it is only about 2 years old. The Powder Coat finish on the Alum is just about ALL WORN off. It looks like HELL. But, it shoots fine of course. If you use it, carry it, practie with it, the thing will SHOW IT.
The 38 is more then enough im surprised that you dont know this. Would you stand in front of one i wont ive shot alot of 38 and 357 and ive seen what a 38 round can do on biological target. Totally sufficient. Thanks good video
If you shoot a full charge of H110 behind a 125gr XTP it hurts. Mid range Magnum Unique loads are stiff but manageable. That said I would not hesitate to carry full tilt boogie H110 loads. It hurts but at the same time is reasonably manageable. Just shot my Brand New one today! Lighter loads not to bad at all. My new favorite carry gun. Sweetness.
As an older guy I seem to recall that the original model 60 was just a stainless version of the model 36 and was strictly a 38 Special, not a 357 Magnum. But somehow over the years it evolved into a 357?
Why would anyone buy a 10mm when they could just as easily purchase a S & W revolver? Of course not everybody can afford a Smith & Wesson but in the case of firearms you get what you pay for, meaning S & W produce some of the finest firearms on the market.
@@sycamorebacker1 maybe not for a city dweller but out in the country especially in brown bear country the full house loads which put you squarely in 41 Magnum territory are an awesome choice. Think about it would you want 6 44 mag or a 16+1 of essentially 41 mag out of a doublstack 10? Bear guides have chosen the 10 for a reason. So depends where ya live...
Not sure if you're still considering this model 60 but a 3 inch makes more sense to me especially if you load it with +p 38 special. The extra inch barrel goes a long way in effectiveness of the bullet. Most people will not be stuffing the model 60 into a pocket. It's marginally larger than a 642 but just enough to make a difference. Then there's the weight.... So many will belt carry it. And if that's the case, why would you choose the 2 inch over the 3 inch?
@Steve Lewis you're very welcome! I'm looking for a 3 inch myself right now. I consider it a perfect barrel length for cc. A model 60 is a strong consideration.
@@walternapolitan6194 I've always wanted a 3" model 13. I found a 4" model 13 & had a gunsmith cut a inch off the barrel and dovetail a front night sight. I like it, but it's not the same as having the original with the round butt.
Flint Orwell That’s clearly an opinion based on user preference only. I would tell you at the Smith and Wesson 60 has a much better trigger having fired them both. It all depends on what you want and like in a trigger
I haven't heard anyone who approves of the "Hillary Hole" but there is an easy remedy, just install a "Bill Insert". Problem solved. As far as the .357 for conceal carry, you can't beat it. I have the new chief special from Smith & Wesson. I only have 5 shots of 38+p and I do wonder if it would be sufficient? But I'm too old to swing a baseball bat! LOL
What the lock does that bothers me, it's not the lock, it's that the swoop of the frame from top to back strap isn't as much as older models. Filling in the hole wouldn't help me. I also hate the frame mounted firing pins which also add to that diminished swoop of the frame. That's the hardest part for me to get over. I'm trying, but to no avail as of yet. However I have found a couple new models I like such as the 69 snub and the 686+ snub. Though with regards to the 686,id still rather wait until I found an older snub I could buy from the 80's. They are just a different gun than they used to be looks wise. I hate matte finishes, but I could polish stainless. They all come with rubber grips instead of the older magna style grips. Fortunately there are enough from back in the day that most can get their fill whether you like new, old or the 90's in-between period.
Your comparison of barrel lengths between the semi-automatic and the revolver is misleading. For the semi-automatic, the barrel length includes the chamber, whereas for the revolver it does not.
does a cow pig or goat look good before its on your plate? your target is not going to tell you how nice your gun is before you shoot it. if you need so many rounds, maybe your a bad shot. remember the wonder nines. the glock 17. shoot and wonder if you hit your target. revolvers are low rounds, but with good shot placement you only need one to three shots. 357 to a 9mm, you tell me. I carry the Glock 19 for now. Waiting for my holster to break in for my Model 60 357 mag. How often are you really going to need it for an issue? Now, almost never. Just hope that we dont need them in the near future.
I have a Smith & Wesson model 686 stainless steel revolver that I've had for a while and I love it and I have carried it in a holster (I live in Arizona) Right now I carry a S&W MP 2.0 in .40 S&W (concealed) and thankfully I've never had to use any of my weapons. Overall, it doesn't matter, whether you carry a .38 +P, or whatever else, when a bad guy sees you're armed, in most cases they'll think twice before starting any trouble with you. I knew a gal back in 1994 who carried a revolver, she was doing her Christmas shopping at Arrowhead Mall, those of you in the Phoenix area know the mall opened in late 1994, at the time the area was remote. She was walking to her car and noticed that she was being followed by a suspicious guy, it was around dusk. She told me she set her bags down, pulled her .357 revolver out of her purse, and when the guy saw the weapon, he turned and ran in the opposite direction.
I've seen a couple Model 60's that are over 65 years old and they look brand new, shiny as hell, not a scratch on them. That stainless steel is just so damn durable. Love that little gun.
I love my Model 60 one of the best 357 Mags out there in my opinion
I tried my friend’s M60 357. Painful to shoot full power. I’ll just stick to my classic M60 in 38 Spl.
I own a model 60 but with a 3" barrel. It's still easy to conceal carry and, with an extra 0.75" barrel, the ballistic performance of the .357s out of that barrel length will certainly beat the ballistic performance of any 9mm+p loads. Yes, the recoil out of my model 60 is considerable but, personally, it's easily manageable. Nevertheless, I seldom practice firing .357 rounds out of it because I don't see the need to defend myself with .357 rounds as I don't live in a state that gets snowy in late fall on to wintertime and early spring. I don't go hunting either. My $0.02.
good man. you will wear your barrel out. shoot 38s at the range. maybe 3 to 5 357 just to get the feel of the round, at the end.
Being confident in your carry piece is a big part of the equation. I carry vintage J frames ranging from 1962 to 1982. I’m confident with my choice and know it’s limitations and mine. I think the .357mag J frames are badass. I need one just for fun, & I know I’d carry it too. 😎
Thanks for the video.
Just got a Model 60 last week and got to shoot it today on free range day at local gun store/range. It is a replacement/supplement for my Taurus 605 that went back for bad cylinder. It is awesome. Sure some top end full house .357 Magnum loads will hurt it is still manageable. The best part is the more time I have spent with my snubbies the better my shooting gets. You master a snub you can shoot anything. Even my 629's groups are shrinking. My Taurus 66 groups today are probably best I ever shot. 20 shots under 2 1/4" at 7 yards that included 2 fliers from the rest of the group. My snubs are my preferred carry gun. Unleash the Noisy Cricket and brown stains will happen!
Hey, I completely understand what you're saying. I'm just one of those cases where a j-frame .38 makes sense for primary concealed carry all the time. I'm 5' 9", 125-129lbs depending on the week. Got a small build and am low on the strength end. I couldn't possibly conceal most semi-autos or a larger revolver. I have a S&W 638 that I load with regular 38. I haven't messed around with +P yet. I feel adequately protected in my every day life. However, I'd like to look at getting a .357 for when I'm camping. I'd rather it be a 3 or 4 inch barrel to help manage the recoil, though. Love your channel and honest input. Thanks man
I'm around the same body size/weight and i feel the struggle... a Glock 19 is absolutely massive to me as far as concealability.
Dave, Great info, wonderful job on clarifying some the differences/nuances, I too am a S&W fan and have many to prove it, one suggestion for your winter carry, a glock model 26/27,10rd mag with a back up mag from a 19/23 (Just something I do :)
I own and carry several different 357's both iwb and owb. I've got 2 different S&W Model 60's. My wife keeps one in her nightstand loaded with 38spl +p loads. My model 60 3in and model 65 3in are probably my 2 favorite revolvers. I also believe in cartridge uniformity. Only thing that gets more carry time for me is my Gen 5 G19.
An amazing video! With two of my favorite guns a G 19 and a 357 mag. rev. 60!
.357 mag is HARSH in that little guy. Love the gun. After 100 rounds at the range, my palm is finished.
That is why I will never again buy any kind of .357 snub nose or even a medium frame revolver. .357 magnum should be fired through an L frame revolver or a GP100 with at least a 4 inch barrel. Snub nose revolvers are for .38 special.
You have soft hands buddy. I can put a hundred down drains easily with model 60 - 9.
I have no problem with my J frame 60 357 Magnum I got the factory rubber grips handles recoil very well Smith & Wesson makes a strong revolver it's forged-steel
I bought a new S&W model 637 airweight with a 2.5" barrel, and I sold it due to recoil and target reacquisition. Shooting it was unpleasant.
I replaced it with a model 60 & I love it. The longer dense rubber combat grip, Much better recoil & re-target.
Curious, what brand/model of grip did you end up with? Thx
@@RollYourRock I stuck with the standard black hard rubber factory grip. Grippy but not too much so. It's the extended combat grip, no "pinky hang".
@@houseofsolomon2440 Thx!
Beautiful job explaining. Love your content and kudos for us older guys.
I found this to be a very informative video, thank you for taking the time to make and post it.
Good video man, I like it. I have some (not all) of the same philosophy on revolvers/semiautos. Smith revolvers have always been kind of a love affair for me. Even though I mostly carry my G19. Summer time goes to the j-frame in the front pocket.
I too have a Smith & Wesson 586-3 with a 4-in barrel. I bought it 32 years ago and it's a great gun but as you mentioned with yours you can't conceal that heavy thing. Though I have a permit to carry I rarely do but I decided that I should have something when I do want to carry so after all this time I now have ordered the Smith & Wesson model 60 two and a quarter inch barrel. This will be my first J frame I own but the smaller size will definitely be better for concealed carryment.
I don't care if the bad guy is wearing 5 thick winter jackets, I don't think it's stopping a .38 special. Winter jackets are not bulletproof armor. Most thick clothing will stop expansion, but it will still poke a .35 caliber hole in the bad guy. And I have a feeling that the bad guy won't tell difference between an expanded bullet and a non expanded one.
I like the model 60 personally. Small frame easy to conceal (First thing I did was switch out the grips for smaller rosewood grips for concealment ease) and as a true just for protection as a last available option 5 rounds will usually be more than enough. Too many people watching Hollywood movies think they are going to get into a 3, 15+ round magazine gunfire exchange in a personal fight or flight situation. I never feel under gunned when carrying my model 60.
If I feel I need more then I will opt to carry my trusty 1911, .45 which I have owned for about 40 years, if that will not do it I went to the wrong place to begin with!
One thing is whether you choose to load the weapon with full house .357 or plain Jane .38 or +p loads with the current state of ammunition availability in most places you do have multiple options as to caliber to be able to purchase a box or 3 of cartridges that will work in the weapon which that alone is a win.
I also recommend a revolver as a self defense weapon for a person not really use to handling a fire arm or someone looking for just a protection piece.
A revolver is easy to load and unload, does not possibly have a mechanical safety that may become a problem under pressure for someone newer to firearms in a tense critical situation and basically will never have a jam or failure to eject which again for a non gun person in a critical situation can only be considered a plus.
Also a revolver does not require disassembly to clean another plus for non gun savvy newbies. I do recommend that most newbies and smaller females to use .38 special ammunition as it will more than do the job in an emergency and at close range which is what this gun is best used for.
Just a simple to understand and operate tool all the way around. Follows the KISS motto, Keep It Simple Stupid!
And actually in today's political climate as much as I hate to even feel like I need to say it you can pretty much feel comfortable that a lowly revolver will not be in the cross hairs of those that want to erode our 2nd Amendment as the round count will be considered to be too low to be on their targeted bans of weapons they think we should not be able to own going forward into the future.
I do not have that same feeling about any pistols which boast a 10-15 round capacity as I do think those weapons will be targeted.
Regardless a revolver still makes a good defensive weapon and the model 60 is a nice easily concealable piece.
Nice video Dave! My first gun was a Smith and Wesson model 36 which I purchased back in 1972 and I still carry from time to time. What I like about it is that you can shoot it in your pocket if you need to. Try that with a pistol. LOL
I love the music on the video. Too many people put heavy rock or metal in the videos and it gets old quick, so that was a nice change 👍🏻
My favorite carry piece. It slips into any pocket.
This is one of the few new models that I'm kind of interested in. I've got 5 older ones, my "newest" is a 642 no dash. No lock on it and traditional thumb piece on it and if it's hammer were exposed it would have the firing pin still on it. I think the frame mounted firing pin is more of a turn off than the lock, though they could've picked a better spot for it. Still, the new 60 is nice.
I don't blame you my friend. I live in Florida and a 38 +p is plenty here as no one wears thick coats in the winter.
My first Smith was a model #27.. Beautiful blue
.( the one that got away)
I put a really nice crimson trace laser sight thats built into the grip on mine. I carry a pocket pistol mostly but if I know I'm going into a bad part of town, I take the sure fire 60.
@Gun News & Reviews Great video. Informative and easy to follow. My question is this, what brand is the holster you are holding up at the ten minute mark? The iwb one to be more specific. Thanks.
Well done review. I consider your points to be wise from experience and straight forward without trying to influence. What else do you have? I'm curious.
I use Hornaday critical defense. Bullet is made to defeat clothing and made for short barrel guns. At only 115 grain in +p it is moving even out of a stubby. Bob that hammer and the 60 is a great carry gun even with just +p in it.
David------I like how you think. I really have become a wheel guy. lol you are right about getting old and ,maybe not so "Tactical " as youngsters. I have been doing a lot of re-loading for 357..........are you into re-loading? My daughter is coming up for a visit and I will have her post my revolver pictures.....my wife and I cant figure it .....lol.......you come from Minn. .....beautiful up there
We have a lot of the same taste in firearms.I love my Smith & Wesson revolver’s and I love my Glock’s. Looking forward to future videos.
I just commented something similar before reading your comment. Yeah, I guess there are a lot of us with a common mindset.
My first "grown-up" pistol was a Smith & Wesson .38 Special "snubby" I got for my 13th B-Day in 1970. Couldn't legally be mine until I turned 21 but non one shot it but me.
What model was it? 10, 36, 15, 49, 40 or another Model? Cool story, just curious whic it was?
Nicely-done video; good and fair points.
Re. putting down multiple threats, I would bet that when you present a 357 and touch off that first round, the other threats are going to run.
Yes, the Glock is definitely one of the ugliest guns produced today! The Ruger is just a stout little powerhouse!
IMO the .38 +P is plenty powerful at shorter distances, especially during the summer months.
I switch off between my Sig 320sc and S&W 640 Pro, both work well for me as carry options!
Great video...
Edit…I found a model 60 in .357, going to go great with my 640 Pro
Nice Video, Im from MN too. Looking to pick up a model 60 myself.
I live in MN also and i have no problem concealing a s&w model 60 357 3" barrel. Im a pretty normal sized guy also (6' 215lbs).
Pretty normal sized for a NFL linebacker! 😂
Awsome video I own the model 60-9 also Love It I have the pre lock model though.. I think when guys start talking 5rounds only blah blah blah I say listen If you cant take care of your problem with 5rounds of 357 most likely you are not prepared and need to practice more often.. thanks for sharing your video
just between you and i. what you have is good for a collector, but you want the option of a lock. do you have to set it? no. but it is good to have the option if you need it. just my point of view
If you are concerned with 38 subby penetration go with a semi wad cutter in 158 grains. (FBI loads). Loads of penetration. For expansion use a good quality 110 grain jacketed hollow point bullet.
It is all about the ammo you are using on those snubbies. Try some Buffalo Bore soft lead SWC 158 grainers. They have both std. Velocity as well as +P loads in the same weight bullets
Did you get into my gun safe to make this video? I better check!
Gotta love Smith wheel guns and a glock 19!
Good presentation! Thanks for the video.
How's that knuckle on your second finger after lighting off a hot 158 gr 357?
Beautiful revolvers!!
I disagree with you regarding the effectiveness of 38 +P. I’ve seen it perform reliably & there are more than a few bullet weights in that caliber that are more then effective for all practical purposes. I do agree with your J frame choices. I’ll alternate between a model 60-9 & a Ruger SP101 myself.
I have a 1972 Model 60, and I can’t get .357 rounds into the cylinder...lol! I’ve been meaning to buy a newer Model 60 for a couple of years, but haven’t done so yet. The Gen 5 Glock 19 was my first Glock purchase, mostly because it’s the first Glock I really like.
is it a 38? thats why 38s and 357 mag are different sizes. to keep you from blowing your gun up. it should say on the gun, what to load. they are 36 cal with more or less powder.
I’ve been using a kydex IWB holster for my S&W 638, and yea, the cylinder is starting to get scuffed from practicing drawing it.
Not sure about 38 not penetrating clothing and such.. I did hillbilly ballistics and took an old carhartt coat folded it over laid it over a thin piece of sheet metal with a 2x4 behind it and a 380 out of a bodyguard went through everything at 15 feet.. if it's for self defense anything over 20-25 feet you will have some explaining to do
Love the Model 60 and that 586
You've got some really nice revolvers there! We think just alike on minimum caliber for carry in cold climates. Some of those thick jackets, especially leather, are tough as rhino hide. What's the next revolver, a big bore? I got a Super Redhawk 8" in .454C a few years ago. Don't shoot it much, but when I do it's memorable. : ) Thanks for sharing your collection with us DR.
Robnord1 I’ve got that Super Blackhawk in 44 mag......gonna try her out on one of my deer hunts this year.
I’d love to get the 629.....maybe next year
@@drdrake63 ,
Got to admit, the Super Blackhawk is accurate. I can shoot mine in high winds more accurately than a rifle.
What brand is your IWB holster?
a kind of stiff wadcutter load from Buffalo Bore or George Arms would do very well out of those 38 special snubbies. and having a 686 Plus with a 2.5 or 3 inch barrel would be nice for appendix carry. and you get 7 not 6 rounds in it.. I carry my M66 and M19 2.5 alot in cold weather appendix carry. and warmer weather I carry the J frame 38 specials. and NO , they are not too light. they will get the job done. there are alot of load selections for it.
I owned a model 60-14 since June 2021. I shoot it better in single action. I usual shoot most furriest distance is 5 yards. Try max distance at range next time. I also own an old Combat Masterpiece 15-4 manufactured In 1982. Has adjustable sights and shoots really nice. Bought for $200 from member of my gun club. It was his service revolver as a peace officer at a local airport before went to semi autos. I shot 357 thru my model 60. What a kick. Prefer shoot plus ps for self defense.
I agree with you on 38. +p being underpowered sometimes.. but to remedy that i've found Underwood ammo has the best 38.+p 125 grain xtp load. Rated at 1250fps. Comes in around 1100 fps out of a snub. Still quite a punch for 38.
Did you look at the Ruger SP101 2¼" 357?
I owned a G19 and S&W M60-13 Mag and I’m all set!
Vince T same, a G17 and 60-14 here
nice guns, but not yet. s&w bodyguard or nna 22. your choice of gun nna has many. both of the guns that you have are the same size. you need a low key gun. just a thought. i have all three myself. my 60-15 3 inch barrel i dont have the 13 or 14 smith. my glock 19 is gen3, nna wasp 22 lr and 22 mag, and i do have the bodyguard 380. i also have a bond arms 45 colt/ 110 shotgun derrenger. hard to find ammo right now. keep it in thought
what holster manufacturer & model was that Holster. give us a review of your carry. thanks
I love mine loaded hot with IMR-4227 and heavy bullet. Awesome FUN at night! The smell may take you 50 yeas ; it does me!!!
Hi Dave,
The M60 is a fine gun, however I opted for the Ruger SP101 .357 instead because 1) the cylinder release pushes in not forward: 2) the gun is heavier so it manages 357 recoil better: 3) the grips are smaller making it easier to conceal inside the waistband or pocket: 4) the 2.25" bbl is slightly longer: 5) the hammer spring is coiled wire not a flat leaf spring which is I believe is vastly superior: 6) the Ruger is built like a little tank much stronger than the M60 similar to the GP100 being stronger (more metal & no side plate) than the 686 & 7) the Ruger is about $100 less.
But to each their own. Luckily we have lots if alternatives to choose from.
Good luck with it.
P.S. 8) no key lock.
you did your homework. the 60 is lighter (24 oz), better to carry. the trigger is better (for me), not a choppy double action like the ruger (had one). single action python light, and it does cost more. i have the 3 inch barrel. love it. 2.25 is not long enough for the full effect of the round. 3 inches the least. The ruger is known as a tank. nice buy. just not for me.
@@robertbraun4708 thats an option. good to have just in case, but you dont have to use.
i also like the transfer bar that the ruger has. its a little noisy, but effective. the smiths hammer comes back a fraction of an inch, not to touch the firing pin
Do you have an idead of muzzle velocity with a 125 grain 357 out of this model 60 ?
Have you had ay unexpected wear from shooting 357 mag through the J frame ?
Thanks
Should read " idea" and "any" .
Thanks
I'm still scratching my head over how the Model 60 38 Special was able to magically morph into a 357 Magnum without my permission. S&W owes me an explanation on this. 😊 🙈 🤓
I think the 38 is a pretty good CCW! If you doubt it watch jack ruby take out lee Harvey Oswald! You are NOT UNDER GUNED! Speed loaders help with the crazy kids today!
Great review of “the 60”!
in ct, we are only allowed 10 rounds. talk for your state. no harm meant. thanks
From the tests I’ve seen, your penetration worries are unfounded. Most tests use 4 layers of heavy denim and many rounds penetrate more through clothing. Nearly all of the 38’s tested by Lucky Gunner penetrated MORE than 12”.
I have one with adjustable sights and a 3' barrel.
You don’t need 357 to beat heavy winter clothing. .22 long rifle will do that with no problem. As will 38 special, including the cowboy loads, 32ACP and any load I can think of off. I’m not sure about 22 short but if I would have to bet I would bet on 22 short penetrating heavy winter clothing as well
how does the model 60 work, shooting from the hip at 3 yds. or less?
Depends all on you! If you can it will!
My Ladysmith is a real sweetheart with +p 125 gr. 38s.
If you had a choice between a 60-15 today, a 60-14 in 14 days, or a 60-16 (pro) in 20 days, which would you choose? (With COVID the ten day wait has been prolonged)
....did you get one yet ?
the are all good, if you can find them. i have a 15
Excellent. Thanks.
What holster is that!?
In my state you can't use hollowpoints for self-defense, I'd rather depend on .38spl lead soft-nose vs. 9mm hardball. And most Glocks aren't legal since their magazines hold more than 10-rounds so there's no capacity advantage.
U must be from jersey smh I hear they won’t let you guys have hollow points ? That even sounds crazy to me coming from somebody from California lol
the 19 shoots like butter. 357 is about three times as much recoil. 380, 38 special 9mm and 357 are all 36 cal bullets. different powder, same bullet. look it up
Maybe a dumb question, but is it true that you should not shoot alot of .357 out of a j frame because the frame might crack? I think i would prefer a .357 model 60 over a model 686 L frame but the whole point of a revolver is reliability and i read about stainless steel j frames cracking when shooting lots of .357, which i intend to do for practice. What is your experience on this matter?
Kusheen no issues I am aware of with current production model 60
I don't know too much about new ones, but that was an issue with older k frames like the Model 19 and 66. If you shot too many light gr mags out of them the forcing cone could crack. I don't believe that's the case now.
@@erictalkington5674 even the latest model 19 now has a beefy forcing cone on the stainless barrel insert even in the blue frame. Plus the added additional lock in crane area for extra strength. Modern heat treat solved frame stretch.
Ever considered a K frame? I have a 66 with the 2.5 inches barrel. The size seem really damn close, the extra width of the cylinder is in the waist band so it won't matter, it is more controlable and has the extra round.
I have been watching videos about the 60, trying to convince myself I need one...but the more I research...the more I might stick to my 66...
I will eventually get a J frame...but an older one just for the fun of it...
My model 10 is not a lot bigger than my model 60. But, the 60 fits in a pocket a lot better.
@@slowpokebr549 Since my comment I have aquired a Ruger SP101. It changed my opinion...
The difference in size isn't that noticeable BUT once you try carrying it, it makes a huge difference!
I did not think it would make that much difference!
Now I need to search a clean used model 60...or buy a new one if I really enjoy shooting it.
I’m on a S&W run….67 in .38 SPC and a 60 in .357together than than $700
Good Video ! Thanks!
Great vid
Hi, friend, not for plusp ammo, LONG LIFE TO SW 60, LIGHT LOADS ONLY😅
I have a 60, with a 3 inch barrel.
If yoou don't like "WEAR and Tear" appearance, well, if you CARRY one, it will get dinged up. I have a 637 S&W among other handguns. The 637 I carry in a coat pocket in the WINTER here in Texas. The Aluminum frame on mine looks awful and it is only about 2 years old. The Powder Coat finish on the Alum is just about ALL WORN off. It looks like HELL. But, it shoots fine of course. If you use it, carry it, practie with it, the thing will SHOW IT.
The 38 is more then enough im surprised that you dont know this. Would you stand in front of one i wont ive shot alot of 38 and 357 and ive seen what a 38 round can do on biological target. Totally sufficient. Thanks good video
How is the recoil with that 357 through that very light fram?
carol weezer Not too bad, but you can feel it versus a larger frame pistol
If you shoot a full charge of H110 behind a 125gr XTP it hurts. Mid range Magnum Unique loads are stiff but manageable. That said I would not hesitate to carry full tilt boogie H110 loads. It hurts but at the same time is reasonably manageable. Just shot my Brand New one today! Lighter loads not to bad at all. My new favorite carry gun. Sweetness.
HARSH.
the good part is, they are steel. a air light is worse. 23 oz is not bad. compared.
I was able to find one.
As an older guy I seem to recall that the original model 60 was just a stainless version of the model 36 and was strictly a 38 Special, not a 357 Magnum. But somehow over the years it evolved into a 357?
...to my knowledge you are correct...38 in the beginning and later 357...
Love J frame
Es muy buena arma de lo mejor magistral
If you want something like the 357, go 10mm (loaded with buffalo bore or Underwood xtreme defender)
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Why would anyone buy a 10mm when they could just as easily purchase a S & W revolver? Of course not everybody can afford a Smith & Wesson but in the case of firearms you get what you pay for, meaning S & W produce some of the finest firearms on the market.
10mm serves no purpose.
@@sycamorebacker1 that could be said about many calibers. People say the same about the 38 special but I carry a 38 and so do many many other people.
@@sycamorebacker1 maybe not for a city dweller but out in the country especially in brown bear country the full house loads which put you squarely in 41 Magnum territory are an awesome choice. Think about it would you want 6 44 mag or a 16+1 of essentially 41 mag out of a doublstack 10? Bear guides have chosen the 10 for a reason. So depends where ya live...
I just don't know if I want the one you're reviewing or the 3". Nice video.
Not sure if you're still considering this model 60 but a 3 inch makes more sense to me especially if you load it with +p 38 special. The extra inch barrel goes a long way in effectiveness of the bullet. Most people will not be stuffing the model 60 into a pocket. It's marginally larger than a 642 but just enough to make a difference. Then there's the weight.... So many will belt carry it. And if that's the case, why would you choose the 2 inch over the 3 inch?
@@WalterDavidRiffmon I agree 💯 percent. Plus I already have a model 37.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
@Steve Lewis you're very welcome! I'm looking for a 3 inch myself right now. I consider it a perfect barrel length for cc. A model 60 is a strong consideration.
@@walternapolitan6194 I've always wanted a 3" model 13. I found a 4" model 13 & had a gunsmith cut a inch off the barrel and dovetail a front night sight. I like it, but it's not the same as having the original with the round butt.
You got to ask yourself a question
Did I fire 5 or 6
I will Carry the smith! Model 36! 1969! Power means nothing if you have no Aim!
You don’t need.357 to beat heavy winter clothing. .22wmr can do that.
The lcr has the best trigger for a revolver.... it just doesn’t look like a classic revolver.
Flint Orwell That’s clearly an opinion based on user preference only. I would tell you at the Smith and Wesson 60 has a much better trigger having fired them both. It all depends on what you want and like in a trigger
@@drdrake63 very true. I would say my 1984 Model 64-2 or my 1977 Model 15-3 snubs have the best I've ever seen.
I haven't heard anyone who approves of the "Hillary Hole" but there is an easy remedy, just install a "Bill Insert". Problem solved. As far as the .357 for conceal carry, you can't beat it. I have the new chief special from Smith & Wesson. I only have 5 shots of 38+p and I do wonder if it would be sufficient? But I'm too old to swing a baseball bat! LOL
What the lock does that bothers me, it's not the lock, it's that the swoop of the frame from top to back strap isn't as much as older models. Filling in the hole wouldn't help me. I also hate the frame mounted firing pins which also add to that diminished swoop of the frame. That's the hardest part for me to get over. I'm trying, but to no avail as of yet. However I have found a couple new models I like such as the 69 snub and the 686+ snub. Though with regards to the 686,id still rather wait until I found an older snub I could buy from the 80's. They are just a different gun than they used to be looks wise. I hate matte finishes, but I could polish stainless. They all come with rubber grips instead of the older magna style grips. Fortunately there are enough from back in the day that most can get their fill whether you like new, old or the 90's in-between period.
I can’t help but notice you said it’s difficult for a plus p round to go through a coat thicker clothing. That couldn’t be further from the truth.
Wheel guns rock !
Sp 101 357 2.25 " 🇺🇸
That key lock hole on the 60 looks like a Beautiful woman with a Front missing tooth.
I will with a 5 inch mod 60
👍🏼
Your comparison of barrel lengths between the semi-automatic and the revolver is misleading. For the semi-automatic, the barrel length includes the chamber, whereas for the revolver it does not.
13;46 i"m not talking about people rioting in the streets or anything"
does a cow pig or goat look good before its on your plate? your target is not going to tell you how nice your gun is before you shoot it. if you need so many rounds, maybe your a bad shot. remember the wonder nines. the glock 17. shoot and wonder if you hit your target. revolvers are low rounds, but with good shot placement you only need one to three shots. 357 to a 9mm, you tell me. I carry the Glock 19 for now. Waiting for my holster to break in for my Model 60 357 mag. How often are you really going to need it for an issue? Now, almost never. Just hope that we dont need them in the near future.