btw rusty, would really really love to see that "asthetically pleasing" deep dive idea it sounds great. players like tim duncan and even kareem sometimes get undderated beacause of this imo.
@Fries KD, Kyrie, Curry, Embiid, Ja ect, and back in the days Kobe and Iverson, 2 of the most overated players ever because they had « swagg ». Even MJ is overated because of it, a lot of people think Lebron or Kareem aren’t close to MJ because they aren’t as elegant and flashy as him, but the stats, record and accolades are proof that they are close or even better (Bron).
@@joshuaarawole8589 Dame had no one on his level to match up with Klay and Draymond if Dame covered Curry. Put Dame + Lebron in prime years vs Curry / Klay and let's run it 100 times.
@@baktosh1124 are you kidding bro everybody was saying the same shit "oh steph isnt a shot creator" or "Dame can carry a team while Steph needs KD" And mfs who had common sense were labeled as "Curry Fan Boys"
The aesthetic bias is a real thing. It’s the reason why you’ll see tons of Jerry West highlights, and barely any Oscar Robertson highlights. Almost no flair, just consistent by the book play otw to an almost triple double. Like a point guard Tim Duncan.
Pretty simple Dame as the best player Led a team to the conference finals once and led his team to the playoffs multiple times Kyrie as the best player No playoffs besides 2 years in Boston with stacked rosters The debate ends there
It was a team that had no chemistry while kyrie was coming off a major injury along with the several things in his personal life that are infinitely harder than anything dame had to face
Ironically, the same way people say that “one shot”carries Kyries career, the whole “Dame has had no help” narrative has had the same impact in my opinion lol. While definitely true to a marginal degree and a narrative that does have merit, I feel like it leaves out a lot of context, such as how many times CJ has outperformed and bailed out Dame
@@folkscrazyouthere3076 CJ was easily better against the Nuggets in 2019,and even had a near 40 point game on 58% shooting,while Dame went 3-17 and had 13 points.
Would love to watch the aesthetically pleasing bias deep dive. I love a shifty handle, but sometimes it’s easy to forget other aspects of the game- especially when those ‘un-aesthetically pleasing’ players never get love on social media due to them not having the craftiest highlight. Guys like Kawhi and Giannis are dominant in their own element, but rarely does the media ever put out their playoff historic mixtapes; they’d much rather post a Kyrie or Crawford mixtape. Again, nothing wrong with watching smooth handles (those are some of my favorites to watch)- but it becomes a problem when people start ranking players based on their aesthetic appeal and acting as if it’s a skill that should automatically make that player rank higher.
Look into an article by Jason Holt, called the tale of two tigers. It's about Homogenization and hyper athleticism in sport. Essentially it is saying that as fans and to an extent coaches and scouts, want our athletes to look and play a certain way. That's why we find them "aesthetically pleasing" because they fit the "perfect mold" but some people fit that mold. If it doesn't fit the mold we look at it like it should be fixed. But when we try to fix the perceived issue with an athletes skill( in this case thier handles) we run the risk of ruining what is already working.
True but Kawhi is aesthetically pleasing, Kawhi is the closest thing to MJ you can find in this era with Derozan, Kawhi has a very smooth jumper/fadeaway like MJ, his handles aren’t flashy but just like MJ, he can control the ball extremely well with his big hands and waste no move, and he can also dunk like MJ just without the crazy hangtime. Kawhi isn’t Kyrie, but to say he isn’t aesthetically pleasing isn’t true, same for Giannis, how many 7ft guys can handle the ball like him, make crossover, hezi, dribbles between the legs and dunk on people like elastic man ? Except KD there is no 7footer on planet earth with betted handles so i don’t understand why people say that, maybe 3-4 years ago it was true, but now Giannis can look very smooth sometimes.
@@Anthonydu01630 All throughout Kawhi’s career we often hear how “stiff” he is. People were berating Giannis because he can only “run and dunk”. People may be opening up more now, but that doesn’t erase the fact that people don’t find those two visually appealing due to dumb reasons. Personally, I love their games; they’re two of my favorite players in the history of the game, and all of those critiques about them aren’t even true. But, because they don’t have shifty handles like Kyrie, they don’t get mixtapes from media attention- that was the point I was trying to make. I agree with all of your points, but unfortunately, others don’t.
Kyrie before Lebron: 0 playoff games Kyrie since leaving Lebron: 17-18: Injured before playoffs, team makes ECF without him. 18-19: Historically bad series vs Milwaukee, shoots 33% FG and 19% 3PT, loses round two, leaves team. 19-20: Plays 20 games with losing record, doesn’t play in playoffs for Nets who made it despite him playing 20 games. 20-21: Gets injured in playoffs, loses round two. Losing record without Harden all year. 21-22: Plays 20 games with losing record, gets swept first round and averages 15.3 PPG on 37% FG in the last 3/4 games. He would be Walmart Kemba Walker without Lebron, Harden, and Durant.
That’s really unfair to say, it’s not like Kyrie didn’t do anything with LeBron, in his first finals he played like he was a seasoned vet and would’ve definitely been enough to beat the warriors in 2015, 2016 as great as LeBron’s historic run was he still needed Kyrie and Vice Versa is was as close as Superman and Batman we got since Shaq and Kobe in a very satisfying and great way, even in 2017 those 2 where insanely good and complemented each other so well as ball dominant duos go, if KD didn’t come to save the warriors then the Cavs led by LeBron and Kyrie would’ve definitely had their number, any time Dame had even a chance to shine and come out on top he choked like against the warriors when they lost KD, dame really blew 4 4th quarter leads in a sweep against the warriors. It’s not a bad thing to need a certain team and player to win considering many NBA superstars and all time greats benefited because of a team and stats around them.
@@somregularguy Kyrie in Dame’s position would’ve never made it to even play the Warriors. You fail to mention Dame played the Warriors in the conference finals. Kyrie has never been to the conference finals without LeBron. Dame would’ve won the chip with LeBron too
Honestly I feel like we should just appreciate both there greatness cause soon enough we won't have them and they have both done so much for the game and I have them as same tier player's both great 2nd options on a championship team I don't think either has enough to win as the best player and until one of them does win a ring as the best player who cares it'll just be endless argument
5:19 I’m putting Gobert here too. Gobert isn’t actually as bad on offense as people think he is, in fact, he’s extremely important. He’s had the highest FG% in the league multiple times, with this season averaging 15, his shot quality is amazing, he’s a lob threat, he’s an amazing offensive rebounder, and he sets some of the best screens (Mike Conley and Donovan have insane pull up jumper statistics because of how well Gobert screens). Yes, he has no post game and his individual offense isn’t close to good, but he does do the dirty work and the best teamplay offense at probably one of the best in the league for a center. Not saying I think he shouldn’t get a hook shot or post game, obviously that would be nice but there’s so much more to offense than people think
Im honestly glad that these 2 players are being compared to each other, cause that’s a WAY better comparison than when people compare any of them to Stephen Curry
@@PiggTheKidd I hate when people think it’s disrespecting Steph to compare them. Yes it’s undeniable that he exists in his own league but if any point guards of this generation have truly challenged Steph (outside of CP3 because of age) it’s Dame and Kyrie..
Damian Lillard has made the top 10 mvp voting 4 times and 1 of those inside the top 5.
2019-20 8th 2018-19 6th 2017-18 4th 2015-16 8th Kyrie Irving has never made this list. Also if we want to go by advanced stats, Damian is better but by a very small margin.
@@RecapRico Kyrie before Lebron: 0 playoff games Kyrie since leaving Lebron: 17-18: Injured before playoffs, team makes ECF without him. 18-19: Historically bad series vs Milwaukee, shoots 33% FG and 19% 3PT, loses round two, leaves team. 19-20: Plays 20 games with losing record, doesn’t play in playoffs for Nets who made it despite him playing 20 games. 20-21: Gets injured in playoffs, loses round two. Losing record without Harden all year. 21-22: Plays 20 games with losing record, gets swept first round and averages 15.3 PPG on 37% FG in the last 3/4 games. He would be Walmart Kemba Walker without Lebron, Harden, and Durant.
On the topic of "aesthetically pleasing": is this only related to game play, or are some players undervalued, because of their looks (like Jokic, for example)?
Other TH-camrs: “sorry for no content last week… I was sick…excuse” Rusty: “I was just being lazy 😂” Btw some good advice for all the fellow procrastinators: get a calendar and write deadlines on it. Write your deadlines earlier then it needs to be, by a day, week, whatever it is… Trust me that shit works.
Why do people use super star so easily, there are only 4. Leborn, Steph, Kevin Durant, and Giannis. He's a star but not a super star box office must see player. He simply just doesn't have the accolades for it. He's a great Star player and has achieved stardom just isn't a superstar. And he isn't "clearly" better.
@@ThatPrettyMFR has Kyrie lead a team to the playoffs as the main leader? I said more of a superstar than Kyrie I don’t think Dame is a for real superstar. I was just going off what Taylor Rooks said
@@ThatPrettyMFR Jokic is a 2x MVP. Luka is the star on his team and just made the last WCF. Kawhi won in the 1 year he was with the Raptors. Trae Young is basically a younger Damian Lillard although much worse defensively.
Rusty could you make a video where you talk about Austin reaves , I think his super super undervalued, love your two channels from Mexico City, I siempre give you likes before you say to like it
Biggest example of Skip’s hypocrisy and none consistent logic is his KD vs Steph argument. Steph can never be a a top ten player, can never be the best player in the league, never be better than KD because he blew a 3-1 lead in the finals. But when KD blowing a 3-1 to Steph that same playoff season is brought up, in the same argument, “it doesn’t count.” KD best in the world! Steph can’t be that good he lost a few years ago…
I don’t see how anyone could say Dame isn’t a “superstar”. Kyrie really only won when he had Lebron. Dame stayed carrying the Blazers on his back. Kyrie didn’t even make the playoff in the east. Goes to Celtics and drama, nets drama. If Dame played with Lebron they would have won easily. Give me Dame 10 out of 10 times.
@@gabrielantunez7642 The extremely deep Celtics featuring rookie Tatum, Terry Rozier, and one legged Hayward 😒 He was the best player on the 2015 Cavs, 2018 and 2019 Celtics, and 2021 Nets based on Win Shares. His biggest failure (2nd round loss) is Dame’s ceiling.
I think they are on the same level which is just short of a superstar or maybe bottom tier superstar. Neither guy can really carry a team. Kyrie has commitment issues as well as attitude issues. So I would rather have Dame on a team so in my mind Dame is better than Kyrie. However neither one is an undisputed superstar(like a curry, Lebron, Giannis, Jokic, etc)
For those who forgot about 2021 Dame went 6 games against the Nuggets and had one of the greatest playoff games in Game 5 with 55 points, 10 assist, and 12 Threes(a playoff record)
No disrespect to Kyrie, or Dame for that matter but it’s wild the nba world went from “Dame vs Steph” to “who’s better, Kyrie, or Dame?” In about a season and a half time.
Skip is just a troll so I don't take him seriously imo dame is better than kyrie because dame has been the number one guy on his team and kyire has been number 2 option on his teams
Dame got more all nbas more top mvp finishes. As a #1 has better results then kyrie Kyries main thing which is scoring u can argue dame does it better. I don't see the argument for kyrie tbh. If you're only argument is the 2016 shot you don't really have one tbh
Yea Dame in 2021 led the Blazers to the playoffs, they lost in the 1st round to the Nuggets. 2020 they were in the bubble and got in thru the play-in & lost to the Lakers in 5 in the 1st round. 2019 Dame led the Blazers to the conference finals. 2018 they lost to the Pels in the 1st round as a higher seed, they may have missed the offs in 2017 i can't remember, in 2016 the Clippers lost Blake & CP3 & the Blazers beat them in the first round, they lost in round 2 to GS, 2015 i think they lost to HOU in the 1st round.....and back in 2014 I think they made it to the 2nd round he hit the GW series shot vs the Rockets, lost in 5 in the 2nd round.
I know this was years ago at this point but the 2017 Celtics had a shot to at least reach the Finals with Kyrie as technically the best player on that squad. Sticking with the Superstar Criteria of being the best player on a championship squad, at the bare minimum Kyrie has remained on the borderline of star and superstar since he got into the league. The only thing holding him back has been his availability in my opinion not his on court performance. I stay Steph, Kyrie, then Dame.. as much as I do love Dame and consider him a HOF type player, he doesn’t have a generational or transcendent trait to his game the same way Steph and Kyrie do.
The 2017 Celtics argument honestly hurts Kyrie more than it helps because they lost 1-4 the Blazers when they made it to the conference finals were not expected to make it that far with a significantly worse team around their star especially with Nurkic injured for the whole playoffs
If you put dame on those Cavs teams do they win more than just 1 ring? Always hard to go off hypotheticals but to me they win at least 2 since dame probably stays on the team in 2018 and doesn’t have Lebron going 1v5 against GSW
@@504leaux You never know man, rockets were one CP3 injury and HOF bad shooting night away from beating them. Lebron was one JR smith mistake/George hill free throw away from taking game 1. Might be crazy but who knows
The Cavs w/ Dame obviously wouldn’t have won in 2017 or 2018 BUT, they would have won in 2015 (as well as 2016) because Dame before the last year or so has been incredibly durable (unlike Kyrie) so the Cavs with dame on 2015 would have obviously won Dame on a skill level isn’t better than Kyrie, but While some guys have that IT factor that makes them better than they should be-Kyrie has the opposite, he has that Anti factor that makes him far less valuable and far less good than he should be, Dame>Kyrie
KD + Curry warriors was the most unfair team in NBA history. Basically 2 top 15 players all time + 1 All-time defender + 1 top 5 3pter vs Lebron and a "super-star" and an all-star.
@@titankiller5287 Dame has struggled against the Warriors every single time they’ve matched up in the playoffs. It is highly unlikely he’d replicate what Kyrie did in 2016. And they’d likely lose in 2015 as well, as Delly would receive SIGNIFICANTLY less playing time and Curry would have his way with Dame.
Aesthetic bias is what makes people say Kobe is better than Bron. Its also the same reason people say Steph being top 10 is a fact. In no way is Steph better than Hakeem,Shaq, Larry Bird.
Skip don't hate the Blazers, he hate Dame. They had some real beef a few years ago around when the bubble happened and Skip hasn't let it go. Dame kind of exposed a private conversation he had with Skip & Skip retaliates by constantly hating on him any chance he gets.
Nothing. Handles? Lmao but that has nothing to do with having superstar credibility and Dame doesn’t even lack handles so yeah nothing. Kyrie played with LeBron James. That’s why he’s looked at so highly. His success came off the safety blanket that was having LeBron James as a teammate. Give Dame Bron back in 2016, 17, 18 etc. and that’s at least 2 rings.
If lebron didn't play with Kyrie no one would say Kyrie is better than Dame. Just because dame hasn't had the team to win at the highest level doesn't make him a worse player.
It's simple Kyrie fan boys can't get over the way he looks on the court. These type of fans overuse the term bag to justify their bias when it's the most subjective thing in basketball. Dame is better than Kyrie and if he had a prime LeBron on his team his playoff runs would look different and his numbers would be more efficient. Kyrie has played with LeBron, KD , Harden , Tatum,. Brown, better teams ,. Coaches and hasn't done anything aside from LeBron but get gaslighted by many people from media members and former players
Dame and Kyrie are certainly both cold as ice. But they're actually kind of polar opposites when it comes to their approach to team relationships. Point being, Dame is loyal to a fault where he simply allows things to fall apart around him instead of demanding others pick up the slack that he cannot. And Kyrie is agitable to the point where there is no pleasing him. I don't even blame him for the Nets thing, and I even think his move to the Celtics was ballsy and warranted, but he had a GOOD thing in Cleveland and he left it. He had a GOOD thing in Boston and he left it. He currently has a GOOD thing in Brooklyn and he's, allegedly, disrespecting his coach and trying to leave it. So yeah, Kyrie has a ring. Kyrie is a first option all star player. Kyrie is definitely not perfect. He's not better than Dame, either. They're both, pretty much, similar enough.
Kyrie might be one of the most overrated players he has been a second option his entire career and the only time he wasn’t he had Jayson Tatum and Jaylen brown and smart like he’s if you put Dame on that Celtics team I promised you they win a championship
Love both your channels, however I gotta disagree with your definition of a superstar. Being a superstar is not decided on talent alone. Example- Rodman, Yao, etc
To be fair Kyrie has dealt with injuries but great points from rusty. I think the whole superstar argument distracts from the great basketball they both play. In the end history will judge Dame for being the better player
@Fries I think so but tbh if we are going off the criteria that a superstar is a player who can be the first option on a championship team you could easily argue that Dame might not fit that description and Kyrie doesn't but if we are saying a superstar is someone that is able to consistently change the momentum of the game then both would have to fit that description too
Definitely whole fact. Mr Fundamental himself. Lol. I have a respect for Duncan now that I’m older. I used to think he was a boring player but he excelled at what he did well.
Look into Homogenization and hyper-athletisicm in sport. We perceive that something that looks like what we expect it to look like as better. We expect good handles to look like kyries, so we perceive him as better, but there are people that are operating thier handles at an equivalent level, but don't look the way we think they should. We see the same problem with quarterbacks and thier throwing motion, or in basketball mostly with the shooting motion.
Thank you I've been saying this to folks for years. It's a perception thing heavy . Perfect example is KD and Giannas folks that think KD is better main argument is his game looks better like bruh lol.
Skip only said that because he wants to make LeBron temmates look better in order to make LeBron look worse, this isn’t even a contest, Dame is just better
While you say Skip is propping up Kyrie to tear down LeBron, many more people do that to Kyrie to prop up LeBron. How the hell did Kyrie not get one Finals MVP vote? It’s actually a legitimate argument. LeBron, I can prove, stat padded to look like he carried way more than he actually did. A lot of his points came in garbage time and he conspired against Tristan Thompson to get those 8 extra rebounds in game 7 for the rebounds average. Only a delusional LeBron fan won’t entertain these facts. I should make a video exposing all of this. Kyrie had 41 on 70% shooting to save that series and then continued the streak of scoring dominance through game 7. He led them to a double digit lead in game 6 in the first half and sealed the deal with the clutches shot in game 7 history. He was the difference maker and it’s ridiculous how much it gets overlooked. Or how people believe that Dame would have a ring too if he was in that scenario. Man… damn got swept by a depleted Warriors team without KD after leading every 4th quarter. They didn’t even take him seriously. Kyrie, with Boston, split the regular season matchup WITH KD on the Warriors and outplayed Steph multiple times!
I mean dame was at least a top 5 ball handler in the league imo for the majority of his career. Sure kyrie can probably pull off better moves, but keeping it real that happens like 2 times a year in an actual game. Doesn't make that much of a difference to me.
Ball handling doesn’t have that much value. As long as you have a good enough handle to get your shot, you’re fine. Like I don’t like, when people use their checkboxes to see which player is better in use ballhandling, as like a full point, That’s like half a point
To be fair, Kyrie was insane in the 2016 finals. Much better than Pippen ever was in any of the Bulls finals. But hell no, Lebron deserved the finals MVP 100%.
He was a better scorer than Pippin but, Pippin was one the best Perimeter defenders of his generation, and a lot of the time guarded the other teams best player. I'd say their overall impact is pretty close.
I'm honestly not sure about this one.. I'm unapologetically a hesi tween splash fan so I'd pay to watch Kyrie play . Not sure about dame.. but Dame cud be a no 1 option on a championship team not kyrie. But he hasn't won a chip yet.. sooo?? 🤷🏿♀️
Jimmy Butler is Better than Dame, jimmy is the guy with one foot in the door Dame compared to Jimmy has achieved nothing, just good regular season stats. (Hot take of my own)
Dame has a bigger scoring bag than Jimmy but Jimmy impacts the game all around more than Dame, it’s hard to compare those 2 tho completely different playstyles. Comparing them is like comparing lesser versions of Lebron and Curry.
Kyrie in in news every fking day. I cant remember when i last heard about Lilard. Thats what stadom means, it has nothing to do with skill or acomplishments.
@@jonathansykes4986 and KAT has a higher PER than Curry all time, I guess that settles who’s better 🔥🔥🔥 and why would I be crying about PER when it favors Kyrie lol. If you need VORP, LEBRON, etc to tell you who’s a better player, you should probably start watching games.
Literally neither one is a superstar and if anything Dame probably has a way better case. Kyrie is easily the most overrated player of our time in terms of greatness. What the hell has he ever done as the best player? Atleast Dame can say he made a conference finals.
To me i feel like a superstar is someone whos the best player on their team but also elevates those around them. I dont think dame or kyrie are super stars. They are all-stars but definitely not super stars
btw rusty, would really really love to see that "asthetically pleasing" deep dive idea it sounds great. players like tim duncan and even kareem sometimes get undderated beacause of this imo.
Low key the skyhook is one of the most aesthetically pleasing moves ever
D rob vs Hakeem is a great analysis on this
@@luizansounds there was supposed to be a LeBron version of the sky hook but he never released it 💀
same reason people hate on jokic, even though his passing can be very entertaining
@Fries KD, Kyrie, Curry, Embiid, Ja ect, and back in the days Kobe and Iverson, 2 of the most overated players ever because they had « swagg ». Even MJ is overated because of it, a lot of people think Lebron or Kareem aren’t close to MJ because they aren’t as elegant and flashy as him, but the stats, record and accolades are proof that they are close or even better (Bron).
Lmfao give dame Lebron and he’d have 2 rings.
Cap, Dame chokes against the warriors
@@joshuaarawole8589 kyrie can't lead his team to the wcf dame did
@@omarionbrown3075 whoa whoa whoa, dame lead them past the first, after that it was cj who played as their best player
@@joshuaarawole8589 Dame had no one on his level to match up with Klay and Draymond if Dame covered Curry. Put Dame + Lebron in prime years vs Curry / Klay and let's run it 100 times.
@@temp2k773 so give him lebron and they win that series since kd was hurt and they had the lead for most games anyways
Dame really been gone 1 1/2 seasons and people claim he’s not Top 5 PG smh
Remember when steph was gone and people were saying Dame was leagues better than Steph
@@theblazingblaziken1951 yeah we be repeating the same stupidity though
@@theblazingblaziken1951 the cycle always repeats itself
@@theblazingblaziken1951 no one said he was leagues better, a few people said dame was better and that quickly got shot down
@@baktosh1124 are you kidding bro everybody was saying the same shit "oh steph isnt a shot creator" or "Dame can carry a team while Steph needs KD"
And mfs who had common sense were labeled as "Curry Fan Boys"
The aesthetic bias is a real thing. It’s the reason why you’ll see tons of Jerry West highlights, and barely any Oscar Robertson highlights. Almost no flair, just consistent by the book play otw to an almost triple double. Like a point guard Tim Duncan.
That's what a highlight means
@@simple45679 thanks for saying absolutely nothing of substance. You’re the best.👏
@@simple45679 bro you gonna take that bro talking crazy rn like if that was me I would’ve responded but I guess we are different individuals 🤷♂️
Oscar technically defined the position so everything he does is the standard that is why it tends to have no flair
Pretty simple
Dame as the best player
Led a team to the conference finals once and led his team to the playoffs multiple times
Kyrie as the best player
No playoffs besides 2 years in Boston with stacked rosters
The debate ends there
It was a team of misfits
It was a team that had no chemistry while kyrie was coming off a major injury along with the several things in his personal life that are infinitely harder than anything dame had to face
@@shadic4977 cap
Look at the Cleveland team he had in his first 3 years
Idk a player apart from lebron who could take that team to the Playoffs
@@TerribleTake everything I said was true
Ironically, the same way people say that “one shot”carries Kyries career, the whole “Dame has had no help” narrative has had the same impact in my opinion lol. While definitely true to a marginal degree and a narrative that does have merit, I feel like it leaves out a lot of context, such as how many times CJ has outperformed and bailed out Dame
Bruh CJ has never bailed out Dame idc how you twist it or how good CJ played for a series. Shit ain't ironic.
them this applies to kyrie too who has been bailed out by lebron kd and 19 year old Jason tatum
@@folkscrazyouthere3076 ok just ignore the nuggets blazers series in 2019
@@folkscrazyouthere3076 CJ was easily better against the Nuggets in 2019,and even had a near 40 point game on 58% shooting,while Dame went 3-17 and had 13 points.
There are even people who say Dame > Curry, funny bunch
Would love to watch the aesthetically pleasing bias deep dive. I love a shifty handle, but sometimes it’s easy to forget other aspects of the game- especially when those ‘un-aesthetically pleasing’ players never get love on social media due to them not having the craftiest highlight. Guys like Kawhi and Giannis are dominant in their own element, but rarely does the media ever put out their playoff historic mixtapes; they’d much rather post a Kyrie or Crawford mixtape. Again, nothing wrong with watching smooth handles (those are some of my favorites to watch)- but it becomes a problem when people start ranking players based on their aesthetic appeal and acting as if it’s a skill that should automatically make that player rank higher.
Preach!!
Look into an article by Jason Holt, called the tale of two tigers. It's about Homogenization and hyper athleticism in sport. Essentially it is saying that as fans and to an extent coaches and scouts, want our athletes to look and play a certain way. That's why we find them "aesthetically pleasing" because they fit the "perfect mold" but some people fit that mold. If it doesn't fit the mold we look at it like it should be fixed. But when we try to fix the perceived issue with an athletes skill( in this case thier handles) we run the risk of ruining what is already working.
True but Kawhi is aesthetically pleasing, Kawhi is the closest thing to MJ you can find in this era with Derozan, Kawhi has a very smooth jumper/fadeaway like MJ, his handles aren’t flashy but just like MJ, he can control the ball extremely well with his big hands and waste no move, and he can also dunk like MJ just without the crazy hangtime.
Kawhi isn’t Kyrie, but to say he isn’t aesthetically pleasing isn’t true, same for Giannis, how many 7ft guys can handle the ball like him, make crossover, hezi, dribbles between the legs and dunk on people like elastic man ? Except KD there is no 7footer on planet earth with betted handles so i don’t understand why people say that, maybe 3-4 years ago it was true, but now Giannis can look very smooth sometimes.
@@Anthonydu01630 All throughout Kawhi’s career we often hear how “stiff” he is. People were berating Giannis because he can only “run and dunk”. People may be opening up more now, but that doesn’t erase the fact that people don’t find those two visually appealing due to dumb reasons. Personally, I love their games; they’re two of my favorite players in the history of the game, and all of those critiques about them aren’t even true. But, because they don’t have shifty handles like Kyrie, they don’t get mixtapes from media attention- that was the point I was trying to make.
I agree with all of your points, but unfortunately, others don’t.
Kyrie before Lebron: 0 playoff games
Kyrie since leaving Lebron:
17-18: Injured before playoffs, team makes ECF without him.
18-19: Historically bad series vs Milwaukee, shoots 33% FG and 19% 3PT, loses round two, leaves team.
19-20: Plays 20 games with losing record, doesn’t play in playoffs for Nets who made it despite him playing 20 games.
20-21: Gets injured in playoffs, loses round two. Losing record without Harden all year.
21-22: Plays 20 games with losing record, gets swept first round and averages 15.3 PPG on 37% FG in the last 3/4 games.
He would be Walmart Kemba Walker without Lebron, Harden, and Durant.
That’s really unfair to say, it’s not like Kyrie didn’t do anything with LeBron, in his first finals he played like he was a seasoned vet and would’ve definitely been enough to beat the warriors in 2015, 2016 as great as LeBron’s historic run was he still needed Kyrie and Vice Versa is was as close as Superman and Batman we got since Shaq and Kobe in a very satisfying and great way, even in 2017 those 2 where insanely good and complemented each other so well as ball dominant duos go, if KD didn’t come to save the warriors then the Cavs led by LeBron and Kyrie would’ve definitely had their number, any time Dame had even a chance to shine and come out on top he choked like against the warriors when they lost KD, dame really blew 4 4th quarter leads in a sweep against the warriors. It’s not a bad thing to need a certain team and player to win considering many NBA superstars and all time greats benefited because of a team and stats around them.
@@somregularguy Kyrie in Dame’s position would’ve never made it to even play the Warriors. You fail to mention Dame played the Warriors in the conference finals. Kyrie has never been to the conference finals without LeBron. Dame would’ve won the chip with LeBron too
Honestly I feel like we should just appreciate both there greatness cause soon enough we won't have them and they have both done so much for the game and I have them as same tier player's both great 2nd options on a championship team I don't think either has enough to win as the best player and until one of them does win a ring as the best player who cares it'll just be endless argument
Yup! We won't have them forever. Need to cherish and savor what we got now before father time comes and takes whats his.
well have you seen his 'tween hesi SPLASH tho? 😂😂😂😂
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I’m putting Gobert here too. Gobert isn’t actually as bad on offense as people think he is, in fact, he’s extremely important. He’s had the highest FG% in the league multiple times, with this season averaging 15, his shot quality is amazing, he’s a lob threat, he’s an amazing offensive rebounder, and he sets some of the best screens (Mike Conley and Donovan have insane pull up jumper statistics because of how well Gobert screens). Yes, he has no post game and his individual offense isn’t close to good, but he does do the dirty work and the best teamplay offense at probably one of the best in the league for a center.
Not saying I think he shouldn’t get a hook shot or post game, obviously that would be nice but there’s so much more to offense than people think
So nicely said Rudy gets so much unreasonable hate
Not reading that. Rudy is a bum
Gobert has the highest offensive rating in NBA history… 🤯
As a 6’1 big man you right
Gobert's a good offensive player but gets clowned for his bad postseason performances.
Im honestly glad that these 2 players are being compared to each other, cause that’s a WAY better comparison than when people compare any of them to Stephen Curry
there way closer then most people think.
I honestly think they’re both better than Dame..
You making it sound like curry is completely out of their league yeah he is better but he doesn't totally outclass them
@@PiggTheKidd I hate when people think it’s disrespecting Steph to compare them. Yes it’s undeniable that he exists in his own league but if any point guards of this generation have truly challenged Steph (outside of CP3 because of age) it’s Dame and Kyrie..
and D Rose pre injury but let’s not talk about that 😢
Damian Lillard has made the top 10 mvp voting 4 times and 1 of those inside the top 5.
2019-20 8th
2018-19 6th
2017-18 4th
2015-16 8th
Kyrie Irving has never made this list.
Also if we want to go by advanced stats, Damian is better but by a very small margin.
which advanced stats we talking bc Dame has never been as efficient as Kyrie offensively
Surprise Dame was outside the top 5 in 2019 and 2020
@@RecapRico Damian Lillard has a better TS% than Kyrie (58.3% to 57.7%)
@@jonathansykes4986 Not by much tho
Kyrie is very talented. Damian Lillard has the highest GameScore in a playoff game ever. He's simply a different tier of player, a true superstar.
kyries better
ya fanboys just be cherrypicking stats to prove w.e nowadays
@@RecapRico Kyrie before Lebron: 0 playoff games
Kyrie since leaving Lebron:
17-18: Injured before playoffs, team makes ECF without him.
18-19: Historically bad series vs Milwaukee, shoots 33% FG and 19% 3PT, loses round two, leaves team.
19-20: Plays 20 games with losing record, doesn’t play in playoffs for Nets who made it despite him playing 20 games.
20-21: Gets injured in playoffs, loses round two. Losing record without Harden all year.
21-22: Plays 20 games with losing record, gets swept first round and averages 15.3 PPG on 37% FG in the last 3/4 games.
He would be Walmart Kemba Walker without Lebron, Harden, and Durant.
CAP !
Her feeling is that Dame lacked playing in the East in 2016 with Lebron and Kevin Love while being coached by Ty Lue. That's basically her argument.
On the topic of "aesthetically pleasing": is this only related to game play, or are some players undervalued, because of their looks (like Jokic, for example)?
I’m taking Dame over Kyrie every time lol Kyrie’s legacy is inflated by playing with lebron lol
But kyrie is the reason why the won a chip tho
In Kyrie's defense, he arguably outplayed Curry in the 2016 finals. Dame never did that, when they met in 2019, Dame was just dominated.
@@simple45679 yup
@@simple45679 it’s not even arguable. He outplayed Steph in every major statistical category.
Other TH-camrs: “sorry for no content last week… I was sick…excuse”
Rusty: “I was just being lazy 😂”
Btw some good advice for all the fellow procrastinators: get a calendar and write deadlines on it. Write your deadlines earlier then it needs to be, by a day, week, whatever it is…
Trust me that shit works.
Dame is clearly better than Kyrie, and Kyrie isn’t a superstar Dame is, more of a superstar than Kyrie
Why do people use super star so easily, there are only 4. Leborn, Steph, Kevin Durant, and Giannis. He's a star but not a super star box office must see player. He simply just doesn't have the accolades for it. He's a great Star player and has achieved stardom just isn't a superstar. And he isn't "clearly" better.
@@ThatPrettyMFR so we putting KD on that list but not Embiid or Jokic?
@@ThatPrettyMFR has Kyrie lead a team to the playoffs as the main leader? I said more of a superstar than Kyrie I don’t think Dame is a for real superstar. I was just going off what Taylor Rooks said
@@ThatPrettyMFR Jokic is a 2x MVP. Luka is the star on his team and just made the last WCF. Kawhi won in the 1 year he was with the Raptors. Trae Young is basically a younger Damian Lillard although much worse defensively.
@@ThatPrettyMFR uhh jokic luka😂😂 kawhi?
In the 2021 playoffs, Dame broke the record for most 3's in a playoff game. If that's superstar material, then I don't know what is 🤷♂️
great points, i really don’t have anything to say that you didn’t mention here. statistically similar, leadership and availability are MASSIVE factors
Rusty could you make a video where you talk about Austin reaves , I think his super super undervalued, love your two channels from Mexico City, I siempre give you likes before you say to like it
Let me guess ur a lakers fan
Everyone like we need a AUSTIN REAVES VID NO CAP 😤😤😤 AR-15🫡🔥🔥🔥
@@Jnior12 lebron fan, but he really can ball
@@mausito3859 i respect the honesty, i think people hate on being fans of just players too much
Biggest example of Skip’s hypocrisy and none consistent logic is his KD vs Steph argument. Steph can never be a a top ten player, can never be the best player in the league, never be better than KD because he blew a 3-1 lead in the finals. But when KD blowing a 3-1 to Steph that same playoff season is brought up, in the same argument, “it doesn’t count.”
KD best in the world! Steph can’t be that good he lost a few years ago…
I don’t see how anyone could say Dame isn’t a “superstar”. Kyrie really only won when he had Lebron. Dame stayed carrying the Blazers on his back. Kyrie didn’t even make the playoff in the east. Goes to Celtics and drama, nets drama. If Dame played with Lebron they would have won easily. Give me Dame 10 out of 10 times.
Kyrie has made the playoffs every yr since 2014 lmao 🤣🤣🤣
@@Jayden_Dailey lol he has never been the best player tho. half of those years where lebron then an extremely deep Celtics then Kevin duran
@@gabrielantunez7642 there will always be an argument against kyrie lol yall haters make me sick
@@gabrielantunez7642 The extremely deep Celtics featuring rookie Tatum, Terry Rozier, and one legged Hayward 😒
He was the best player on the 2015 Cavs, 2018 and 2019 Celtics, and 2021 Nets based on Win Shares. His biggest failure (2nd round loss) is Dame’s ceiling.
@@officialconch u have to b delusional to think he was the best player on the 21 nets , that’s sum next level meat riding
the aesthetic bias video idea sounds really good. pls make that one!
Thank you for your content Rusty. Hope you good king
Both of them are 2nd option on a championship team. For me, depends on who my number 1 is to pick which one is better fit.
Give Dame Paul George as a number 2 and he gets the chip.
Dame over Kyrie anyday, not even close. How is this even a debate 💯
I think they are on the same level which is just short of a superstar or maybe bottom tier superstar. Neither guy can really carry a team. Kyrie has commitment issues as well as attitude issues. So I would rather have Dame on a team so in my mind Dame is better than Kyrie. However neither one is an undisputed superstar(like a curry, Lebron, Giannis, Jokic, etc)
Dame:
- Better Playmaker
- Better Defender
- Better 3PT Shooter
- Better Leader
- More Athletic
Kyrie:
- Better handle (he’s the Goat, oh well)
- Better finishing ability
- Deeper overall scoring bag
That’s literally it.
dame is more durable don't forget that outside of this past season
kyrie is more skilled, dame is greater and i would rather have him as my franchise guy
kyries better than dame at everything 💀
@@tickingtimebomb126 nah bro, shooting obviously goes to dame
@@housesuns-kings8480 dame shots look nicer but I think kyrie more efficient
@@tickingtimebomb126 How? Where?
Jacob that was uncomfortable how much you said aesthetically pleasing lol
I like video titles like this
For those who forgot about 2021 Dame went 6 games against the Nuggets and had one of the greatest playoff games in Game 5 with 55 points, 10 assist, and 12 Threes(a playoff record)
yea we know Dames entire career hes had 2 and a half good playoff series congrats
Love this video 🤩
Give Dame 4 years of LeBron and they get 2-3 rings.
Ehhh idk golden state would lock him up. They couldn’t guard kyrie
Rusty I'm trying to make content too but it's tough, do you write up a script or do you just go for it? Love the videos!
No disrespect to Kyrie, or Dame for that matter but it’s wild the nba world went from “Dame vs Steph” to “who’s better, Kyrie, or Dame?” In about a season and a half time.
Kyrie was never close to Curry, it made no sense back then
Dames my nigga but Curry vs Dame was always a pipe dream argument 💀 I’m glad people let that comparison die
Skip Bayless: curry in the 2016 finals came up smaller than he is.
That is basically the only thing he brings up when talking about curry
Skip is just a troll so I don't take him seriously imo dame is better than kyrie because dame has been the number one guy on his team and kyire has been number 2 option on his teams
Dame at his best is a perpetual top 10 player. This discussion is stupid
Dame got more all nbas more top mvp finishes. As a #1 has better results then kyrie
Kyries main thing which is scoring u can argue dame does it better. I don't see the argument for kyrie tbh. If you're only argument is the 2016 shot you don't really have one tbh
It doesn’t matter who is better than who, the point is neither one of them is a superstar, which was the original question
Yea Dame in 2021 led the Blazers to the playoffs, they lost in the 1st round to the Nuggets. 2020 they were in the bubble and got in thru the play-in & lost to the Lakers in 5 in the 1st round. 2019 Dame led the Blazers to the conference finals. 2018 they lost to the Pels in the 1st round as a higher seed, they may have missed the offs in 2017 i can't remember, in 2016 the Clippers lost Blake & CP3 & the Blazers beat them in the first round, they lost in round 2 to GS, 2015 i think they lost to HOU in the 1st round.....and back in 2014 I think they made it to the 2nd round he hit the GW series shot vs the Rockets, lost in 5 in the 2nd round.
They made the playoffs in 2017 as the 8th seed
They got swept by the warriors because it was the 2017 warriors
Kyrie And Kawhi are the two players in the NBA who entire legacies are defined by moments and it makes fans overrate them
I know this was years ago at this point but the 2017 Celtics had a shot to at least reach the Finals with Kyrie as technically the best player on that squad.
Sticking with the Superstar Criteria of being the best player on a championship squad, at the bare minimum Kyrie has remained on the borderline of star and superstar since he got into the league. The only thing holding him back has been his availability in my opinion not his on court performance.
I stay Steph, Kyrie, then Dame.. as much as I do love Dame and consider him a HOF type player, he doesn’t have a generational or transcendent trait to his game the same way Steph and Kyrie do.
The 2017 Celtics argument honestly hurts Kyrie more than it helps because they lost 1-4 the Blazers when they made it to the conference finals were not expected to make it that far with a significantly worse team around their star especially with Nurkic injured for the whole playoffs
@@devonhalford5522 Had Kyrie been healthy and playing I’m saying they’d have a better shot at reaching the Finals.
If you put dame on those Cavs teams do they win more than just 1 ring? Always hard to go off hypotheticals but to me they win at least 2 since dame probably stays on the team in 2018 and doesn’t have Lebron going 1v5 against GSW
Out of your mind if you think adding Dame beats the 2018 Warriors.
@@504leaux You never know man, rockets were one CP3 injury and HOF bad shooting night away from beating them. Lebron was one JR smith mistake/George hill free throw away from taking game 1. Might be crazy but who knows
The Cavs w/ Dame obviously wouldn’t have won in 2017 or 2018
BUT, they would have won in 2015 (as well as 2016) because Dame before the last year or so has been incredibly durable (unlike Kyrie) so the Cavs with dame on 2015 would have obviously won
Dame on a skill level isn’t better than Kyrie, but While some guys have that IT factor that makes them better than they should be-Kyrie has the opposite, he has that Anti factor that makes him far less valuable and far less good than he should be, Dame>Kyrie
KD + Curry warriors was the most unfair team in NBA history. Basically 2 top 15 players all time + 1 All-time defender + 1 top 5 3pter vs Lebron and a "super-star" and an all-star.
@@titankiller5287 Dame has struggled against the Warriors every single time they’ve matched up in the playoffs. It is highly unlikely he’d replicate what Kyrie did in 2016. And they’d likely lose in 2015 as well, as Delly would receive SIGNIFICANTLY less playing time and Curry would have his way with Dame.
Aesthetic bias is what makes people say Kobe is better than Bron. Its also the same reason people say Steph being top 10 is a fact. In no way is Steph better than Hakeem,Shaq, Larry Bird.
All-time: Dame #81, Kyrie #87.
Rusty’s word of the day: antithetical
Skip don't hate the Blazers, he hate Dame. They had some real beef a few years ago around when the bubble happened and Skip hasn't let it go. Dame kind of exposed a private conversation he had with Skip & Skip retaliates by constantly hating on him any chance he gets.
Aaron Rodgers is definitely the athlete Skip hates 2nd to LeBron😂
Dames gonna show everyone this year. He's coming to prove everyone wrong
What could Dame possibly lack, in terms of being a superstar, that Kyrie _DOES_ have
The bullshit. As in he doesn't come with Kyrie's bullshit. 🤣
Nothing. Handles? Lmao but that has nothing to do with having superstar credibility and Dame doesn’t even lack handles so yeah nothing. Kyrie played with LeBron James. That’s why he’s looked at so highly. His success came off the safety blanket that was having LeBron James as a teammate. Give Dame Bron back in 2016, 17, 18 etc. and that’s at least 2 rings.
It's crazy that people compare this two to steph at one time
Rusty who’s one player you’d defend to the ends of the earth that isn’t necessarily a mainstream player like a role player and such?
If lebron didn't play with Kyrie no one would say Kyrie is better than Dame. Just because dame hasn't had the team to win at the highest level doesn't make him a worse player.
I want a deep dive into the aesthetic bias. Basketball is about winning.
It's simple Kyrie fan boys can't get over the way he looks on the court. These type of fans overuse the term bag to justify their bias when it's the most subjective thing in basketball. Dame is better than Kyrie and if he had a prime LeBron on his team his playoff runs would look different and his numbers would be more efficient. Kyrie has played with LeBron, KD , Harden , Tatum,. Brown, better teams ,. Coaches and hasn't done anything aside from LeBron but get gaslighted by many people from media members and former players
Dame and Kyrie are certainly both cold as ice. But they're actually kind of polar opposites when it comes to their approach to team relationships. Point being, Dame is loyal to a fault where he simply allows things to fall apart around him instead of demanding others pick up the slack that he cannot. And Kyrie is agitable to the point where there is no pleasing him. I don't even blame him for the Nets thing, and I even think his move to the Celtics was ballsy and warranted, but he had a GOOD thing in Cleveland and he left it. He had a GOOD thing in Boston and he left it. He currently has a GOOD thing in Brooklyn and he's, allegedly, disrespecting his coach and trying to leave it. So yeah, Kyrie has a ring. Kyrie is a first option all star player. Kyrie is definitely not perfect. He's not better than Dame, either. They're both, pretty much, similar enough.
please explain how a Cleveland Reporter asking Kyrie what its like to be Lebrons son is a GOOD thing?
Both elite players, not "superstars" imo..but Dame >>> Kyrie all day
Title should be: Rusty vs Kyrie lmao
Kyrie is clearly the only superstar here.. if destroying 3 different franchises is required.
The real debate is kyrie's attitude and antics or dame's loyalty and patience which is higher?
Kyrie might be one of the most overrated players he has been a second option his entire career and the only time he wasn’t he had Jayson Tatum and Jaylen brown and smart like he’s if you put Dame on that Celtics team I promised you they win a championship
Here’s a 2k series idea. Why not go back to when you think the start of Dame’s prime was and see if you can get him a chip in Portland.
Love both your channels, however I gotta disagree with your definition of a superstar. Being a superstar is not decided on talent alone. Example- Rodman, Yao, etc
To be fair Kyrie has dealt with injuries but great points from rusty. I think the whole superstar argument distracts from the great basketball they both play. In the end history will judge Dame for being the better player
@Fries I think so but tbh if we are going off the criteria that a superstar is a player who can be the first option on a championship team you could easily argue that Dame might not fit that description and Kyrie doesn't but if we are saying a superstar is someone that is able to consistently change the momentum of the game then both would have to fit that description too
Also their stats are basically identical and so are their physical attributes.
Skips most hated players are Lebron by a mile and then Steph is second
Dame should not even be put in the same sentence as Kyrie. What had Dame even done???
More then Kyrie as a number 1 option
I would love to see LeBron and dame team up just to see how fast dame becomes a superstar in skips eyes if they win one tg. 😂🤞
They are in the same tier so I don’t see it as easy one way or the other, I don’t rank either top ten so neither are superstars
but have u seen his tween tween hezzy splash tho??
Waiting for Tim Duncan appearance in the aesthetic bias vid!!! 😆
Definitely whole fact. Mr Fundamental himself. Lol. I have a respect for Duncan now that I’m older. I used to think he was a boring player but he excelled at what he did well.
*"Here's another dumb topic.. Let's talk about it." 😒*
Look into Homogenization and hyper-athletisicm in sport. We perceive that something that looks like what we expect it to look like as better. We expect good handles to look like kyries, so we perceive him as better, but there are people that are operating thier handles at an equivalent level, but don't look the way we think they should. We see the same problem with quarterbacks and thier throwing motion, or in basketball mostly with the shooting motion.
Thank you I've been saying this to folks for years. It's a perception thing heavy . Perfect example is KD and Giannas folks that think KD is better main argument is his game looks better like bruh lol.
Skip only said that because he wants to make LeBron temmates look better in order to make LeBron look worse, this isn’t even a contest, Dame is just better
Damn bro can’t rely on the uploads at all this summer. Hope you bounce back during the season
Dame >>>>>>kyrie
Kyrie is living on a lucky shot
While you say Skip is propping up Kyrie to tear down LeBron, many more people do that to Kyrie to prop up LeBron. How the hell did Kyrie not get one Finals MVP vote? It’s actually a legitimate argument. LeBron, I can prove, stat padded to look like he carried way more than he actually did. A lot of his points came in garbage time and he conspired against Tristan Thompson to get those 8 extra rebounds in game 7 for the rebounds average. Only a delusional LeBron fan won’t entertain these facts. I should make a video exposing all of this. Kyrie had 41 on 70% shooting to save that series and then continued the streak of scoring dominance through game 7. He led them to a double digit lead in game 6 in the first half and sealed the deal with the clutches shot in game 7 history. He was the difference maker and it’s ridiculous how much it gets overlooked. Or how people believe that Dame would have a ring too if he was in that scenario. Man… damn got swept by a depleted Warriors team without KD after leading every 4th quarter. They didn’t even take him seriously. Kyrie, with Boston, split the regular season matchup WITH KD on the Warriors and outplayed Steph multiple times!
Also can’t leave out ball handling as a edge for Kyrie, was surprised that didn’t come up and you just used slight shooting edge.
I mean dame was at least a top 5 ball handler in the league imo for the majority of his career. Sure kyrie can probably pull off better moves, but keeping it real that happens like 2 times a year in an actual game. Doesn't make that much of a difference to me.
Ball handling doesn’t have that much value. As long as you have a good enough handle to get your shot, you’re fine. Like I don’t like, when people use their checkboxes to see which player is better in use ballhandling, as like a full point, That’s like half a point
To be fair, Kyrie was insane in the 2016 finals. Much better than Pippen ever was in any of the Bulls finals. But hell no, Lebron deserved the finals MVP 100%.
No no no, not true, look at any finals from pippen from Bulls first 3 peat and you'll see
He was a better scorer than Pippin but, Pippin was one the best Perimeter defenders of his generation, and a lot of the time guarded the other teams best player. I'd say their overall impact is pretty close.
@@დათობედოიძე Jordan + Pippen + Horace Grant is worse than KD, Curry, Draymond. And I'm not including Klay.
@@Fahronaces draymond is a top 10 defender all time though
Pippen was an all nba first team defender tho while Kyrie was nowhere near that so I’d say it basically balances out if not in Pippens favor
I'm honestly not sure about this one.. I'm unapologetically a hesi tween splash fan so I'd pay to watch Kyrie play . Not sure about dame.. but Dame cud be a no 1 option on a championship team not kyrie. But he hasn't won a chip yet.. sooo?? 🤷🏿♀️
Dame > Kyrie but neither are superstars.
Hey Amogh 🤝🏼
Cringe
Jimmy Butler is Better than Dame, jimmy is the guy with one foot in the door Dame compared to Jimmy has achieved nothing, just good regular season stats. (Hot take of my own)
Dame has a bigger scoring bag than Jimmy but Jimmy impacts the game all around more than Dame, it’s hard to compare those 2 tho completely different playstyles. Comparing them is like comparing lesser versions of Lebron and Curry.
come here for the Ki slander god dang 😟
Can we not just enjoy greatness smh
AYO RUSTY BUCKETS ANKLE🤤
NOTHING BUT FACTS
Ngl I think dame is better overall but one thing that I feel like we can all agree on is Kyrie is somehow a better defender
Kyrie in in news every fking day. I cant remember when i last heard about Lilard. Thats what stadom means, it has nothing to do with skill or acomplishments.
Dame has to have the worst resume of any "all timer" how tf this man get top 75 over PG, Dwight Howard etc.
As a blazer fan, I’m still clueless on how Dwight wasn’t over him
Another video proving rusty doesn’t understand basketball whatsoever
Kyrie Irving is better than Damian Lillard. Why is this even a conversation ?
Kyrie is more efficient on all 3 levels and the better defender. Kyrie > Dame.
Damian has a better TS%, better WS/48, better OBPM and better BPM. Kyrie has Dame on PER and DBPM.
Dame takes more shots and is the leader of a team in an analogy
when your tire pops kyrie is a patch in the wheel and dame is an entire new tire
@@jonathansykes4986 literally everything I said stands lol. Put the calculator away.
@@504leaux the last 9 leaders of PER has won MVP. cry more and learn math.
@@jonathansykes4986 and KAT has a higher PER than Curry all time, I guess that settles who’s better 🔥🔥🔥 and why would I be crying about PER when it favors Kyrie lol. If you need VORP, LEBRON, etc to tell you who’s a better player, you should probably start watching games.
Forgot to mention how Dame is the most clutch player of all time, but it's cool
He really isn't mj is by a mile and LeBron and kd and Steph and bird and magic
@@yetundeadeyemi2436 Average casual NBA fan
How is dame more clutch than mj
Casual
Literally neither one is a superstar and if anything Dame probably has a way better case. Kyrie is easily the most overrated player of our time in terms of greatness. What the hell has he ever done as the best player? Atleast Dame can say he made a conference finals.
ARB video? Been too long
To me i feel like a superstar is someone whos the best player on their team but also elevates those around them. I dont think dame or kyrie are super stars. They are all-stars but definitely not super stars