People were ready to crown Anthony Edwards already. But that trade for Randle… ehhh. Not a fan of his game. As much heat Kat gets, I thought he was a better fit for them and how they run the offense.
I actually don't see Edward's game being all that, his shot is slow and methodical, his handle is weak and all he really does athletically every now and then is dunk but even those aren't anything really cool to see
@@jayarah1046 Its a shame cause when we got OG, he looked much more comfortable in the team and was taking more spot on shots and reducing his ISO plays which is just so inconsistent and wearing on himself. Hes really trying hard to push his number given he needs to ball out for a new contract
@@AlvarGeesusTheCreator KAT don't do defense which is why T-Wolves got Gobert to do what KAT should be doing LMAO... KAT has a MAX.. Gobert has a MAX.. Ant-Man is next in line for a MAX.. Naz is on a team friendly deal but as a Sixth-Man (he ought to want a new deal that is worthy of his value as a role-player); and T-Wolves were ranked one of the highest in DEFENSE in the whole NBA anyhow last season...
Dude he can pirate games like everyone else and does. He probably just doesn't get to watch it live. Also League pass has every game available like the next day no matter the blackout. So he is just making excuses frankly
I agree. I live in Canada on the OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTRY from the Raptors and their games are blacked out for me across for me at times on my own television.
The problem is NBA contractually has local TV revenue going to local teams. This results in a war over how much geographically is blacked out on the NBA league pass level to force subscribing to "local" providers which goes to the team and not the NBA. This also leads to the big market teams' advantage in paying for players which the league likes since most national TV revenue comes from big markets. Everyone agrees that stars get preferential treatment by the refs and guess where most of the most popular stars play? So we end up with the Lakers leading the league in foul shots year after year....
I can see Windy submitting Tim's annual evaluation to ESPN HR: "Bontempts' approach during the discussion on the New Orleans Pelicans came across as assertive but at times may have unintentionally overshadowed his colleagues. There were moments where his contributions appeared to dismiss alternative perspectives, and he occasionally interrupted others, which might have limited the opportunity for a more balanced exchange of ideas. While his expertise is evident, a more collaborative and inclusive tone could enhance the quality of discussions and foster a more constructive dialogue among the team."
Bontemps is underestimating Zion's negative impact on team culture. Zion's situation is the definition of addition by subtraction. The sooner he is out of the organization the better for the Pelicans.
Very true. However, the Pelicans in general are just a terrible organization. They have like zero clue on how to build a team, just sad to see them honestly
@@halfdayofthejackal9372Agree 100% with this. They should’ve capitalized on him a while ago rather than take more risks. As Knicks fan, I was ecstatic that we got rid of Randle while he had enough stock to get a KAT rather than continue risking on an injury prone, mood swinging, regular season All Star that never shows up in the playoffs.
Pels fan here and I agree with you man. At this point let’s just move on. He’s not the guy that’s going to lead us to the next level. The sooner we rip the bandaid off the better
Gobert wasn't wrong. Doesn't matter if a ISO was called for Randle at the three point line, you got a 7'1 dude on a 6'8 defender, literally 1 foot from the basket. Adapt and get the higher percentage shot.
Gobert doesn't have good handles. He mostly fumbles the ball while posting up. It's not a strong part of his game and for years he hasn't been working on his handles.
@@JasonExclusive this I agree; he wants to be the vocal point of the offence but the French bean-pole is there for the Defense and setting a screen and role for any dunk attempt.. haha
@@JasonExclusiveur right if gobert was on the move cuz he has sus coordination but on a post catch he’s actually more effective than people think, he has bad misses but he converts a lot of catches and last year Conley found him in some big moments
@@JasonExclusive For all the defense, rebounding and hustle Gobert does. You have to reward him every once in a while even if its 50% he fumbles. Thats about as good of a seal as you can get.
@@RoyLimisAw3s0me Man averages 6 shots a game as a starter and majority of those are put backs. I wouldnt considering a couple post ups a game a focal point. Reward the man covering for every one else on defense
It wasn't the only time in that game where he was wide open... could have been 4 or 5 other times throughout the game when he sealed his defender. It gets frustrating after a while.
It’s just an adjustment, season just began. Rudy is like the 4th best player (Maybe) he seriously is in no position to demand anything of Randle who is an All NBA player.. Rudy can’t even shoot. Just stick to your job Rudy, crash the glass and defend the paint
@@pleasedonttemptme5963 hate to be the guy, but all the numbers suggest Rudy has the greatest impact on the Wolves. even tho he was clowned last playoffs he had the second best plus minus of the whole western conference. and Rudy Gobert has made the all nba team more times than Randle, and he's had more team success. Safe to say Rudy is doing something right.
Lol he was literally unplayable in the Olympics next to an actual offensively capable big. Bro gets paid for defense and cost his team a W because he wanted to pout on offense. Loser mentality. @@Shortballa11
Randle is just not a winning player.. you can only get so far with him on your team as one of the main players.. now if he was a sixth man then its not as bad.
also that donte divencenzo hasn't found his place yet and they really expected him to help give ant and julius randle a lot of spacing that they would be missing after losing KAT
Castle, Wemby, Vassell, Sochan is a talented crazy line up. With Keldon, Tre Jones, Bassey, Wesley, Branham off the bench. This team is loaded and set up for success for the forseeable future.
@@diegochavez6203 Because basketball is more than just scoring buckets. Even then, he's averaging a decent 15 points per game with 7 rebounds while playing elite defense.
We must give Bontemps credit. He was not obsessively over talking his colleagues or just in general monopolizing the discussion. He has great insight in my opinion he just has to relax and let everyone make their points without interference.
I find the criticism of Wemby’s three point rate a bit repetitive. The hosts want him to post up more and play like Giannis but Giannis was never a dominant post up player! He had trouble posting up James Harden, and a week ago when he tried to take position against OG Anunoby, he got pushed from near the paint up to the three point line. And that’s normal: Giannis has like Wemby a high center a gravity and a thin waist. That means a « weaker » lower body compared to stouter players like… OG Anunoby, and no amount of time spent in the wait room will fix that. Giannis is so dominant because he is the best driver of all time. His flexibility quickness and prodigious upper body strength allows him to finish through contact with ease. However, that came at the expense of any form of outside shot, which is repeatedly exploited by the defences which leave him open and prefer building a wall to stop him. Furthermore, adding so many pounds of muscle to an already abnormal frame like Victor’s will put him under serious risk of long term injuries (remember Yao Ming’s feet?). I don’t absolve Wemby from everything! His handle is way too loose, the screens he sets are catastrophic, and his shot selection has much to improve. Even his defensive awareness is sub-optimal. But I wanted to challenge the new that the path to him becoming a dominant player should be through adding 40 lbs of muscle and becoming taller Giannis. a hybrid of Jayson Tatum/ Joel Embiid (after Nick Nurse arrival), which would blend three point shots with elbow touches and drive to the rim is the path they seem to have set. And the lobs will always be there, but for that he must have a dominant ball-handler who is a scoring menace to collapse the defense and free Wemby. Chris Paul has been amazing, but he can’t sustain that offensive load anymore and we see that the defences repeatedly sag him in the pick and roll to stop the lob at all cost! Anyway, that was just my two cents. Feel free to voice your opinion!
I would say that their take on Wemby is really off in this segment. As if it had been recorded 1 month ago. They see no progression and explain that his stats are flat compared to last year. The man averages 34 points on the last 5 games, 26 on the last 10 games, 23 on the season so far. How is that not a progression? He started very rusty with a few horrible games but has been on fire since then. He is also at 39% 3pm on a very high volume over the past 10 games. Why would he stop shooting?
As a spurs fan, idk how we can move castle to the bench with the way he’s been playing, for vassell , who has been injury prone. Also Champegnie is a great starting piece as a great catch and shoot and defender
Bontemps is a smart guy with relevant thoughts to contribute most of the time and I appreciate hearing from him. That being said the dude has GOT to chill out a little.
I love watching these videos on youtube now and seeing the looks on your guys faces when you say this stuff. Love the deadpan looks and dry humor and making fun of each other. Never stop boys.
Let’s all call it what it is now and accept the fact that Zion is a bust. No one is questioning his talent..but availability is part of the game and he’s hardly on the floor
He played heaps last year. He's been a beast for 18 months. I think they simply cannot trade him and expect value in return for what they give up. And besides his contract doesn't cost them if he don't play.
You can sometimes see the frustration and exhaustion in their face when he chimes in with something totally negative or momentum-stopping, like the shows flow gets interrupted by him so much...i worked for a sports show too, im surprised its gone on for this long bc this type of stuff would be discussed in show meetings or at least to one-another
@@wakaflokafamevevo yeah, that's the right word: just kills the flow. it'd be one thing if it were some schtick he does and it's sort of entertaining, but it seems to be his actual personality and I can't imagine why they keep him around.
I liked the Kat/Randle trade because I thought Randle was just a way to move Naz Reid into the starting lineup, and Randle and Donte can run the second squad, and I don't understand why they made the wolves "Randle's team" instead of relying on the guys they had on the team. Kat was a financial problem, not a skill problem. You needed to move him to resign Naz/NAW. Now he's just ruining your team
I remember when that draft lottery and new Orleans won and the excitement of the organization like winning the regular lottery and now look at them I'm actually glad to be a wizards fan are future looks brighter.
On Wemby & Threes at 25:03 : When planning for the years to come (and not focusing on this season), it is probably more important for Wemby at 20 y.o to work on his 3-pt shoot than it is to focus on what he can do at the rim. The latter he knows how to do pretty well, and I believe it can be improved much faster (with his abilities and experience) than his 3-pt shoot. What he is doing today that raises eyebrows (mainly because is does not maximize its immediate potential) is part of a career strategy and a franchise strategy for the next 15 years...
He doesn't really have ANY moves at the rim. He's just super tall with some agility. I assume he will never develop actual post moves but that would be great.
Exactly! He will never lose his ability to attack the rim. He is basically working on his shot in game as he plans to be playing FIBA 3 summers out of 4 and won't have time to do it during the off season. He is already getting more efficient. He is shooting 42% from 3 on the last 5 games, 38 over the past 10. He needs to be a threat from 3 if he wants space in the paint. He cannot do good yet with a paint crowded with stocky defenders.
Disappointed the guys didnt mention Jeremy Sochan when talking about the Spurs. Hes only played 7 games and has missed a lot of time to injury but hes taken a big leap this season. By far the Spurs best wing defender, a solid playmaker for his position, improved shooting and was absolutely crashing the boards before his injury. Hes really the 3rd guy of that core behind Wemby and Vassell, hes the perfect guy to have next to Wemby.
They are just upset they keep pushing for more ESPN success and that makes their life worse when he is happy at home making the money he makes now and waiting for a pension
I dislike Bontempts so much. Like bruh chill. Guy can’t never give players or teams grace like Windy, but be wrong af in most predictions & things he says
I hate to be that guy and I mean no disrespect but his name is Karl-Anthony Towns. Not Karl Anthony-Towns. He has a double first named. I only found this out recently
Ant is turning into Tatum which isn't the worst thing in the world, but he should play to his strengths rather than jack up three's all game. Same for Tatum. They are both dynamic and should play inside and out.
If you watch OKC when they get to the land no one is around them to foul them. SGA is the only one with players around him and that the game defending him. Hard to draw a foul when you are wide open for a layup or dunk. And the mid-range and stp an pop so well the defender is on his heels leaving that wide open. Again, you can't draw a foul is not one is around you. Plus NBA other than a helpful of teams don't play defense anyway it just is you the team that makes more of your 50+ 3s a night.
Phase 1 was these guys saying "no one will be on this team when the Spurs are good outside of Wemby cause that's what happened with Bron" Phase 2 was these guys saying "Maybe they keep Vassell and Castle around Wemby but that's it" and throwing a little "Julian Champagnie is nice" Phase 3 will be these guys realizing that the Spurs are 15 players deep this season for a reason. That Mamu, Bassey, Keldon, Sochan, Tre, Wesley are also part of the core of supporting players. Spurs fans who have been following believe in this team for a reason. We have like 8 young players this season and up to 4 first round picks in this draft. We are coming for the NBA
One big reason. Is Randle plays no defense and most of the times he does not even try. I'm a Knicks fan and watched Randle for many years sprint up the court on offense but walk or jog up the court on defense. So that right there will have your dee take a step back
Windy why do you always call KAT as "Towns" or "Karl Towns" specifically vs a lot of reporters/commentators who say "Karl-Anthony Towns" or "KAT"? Just curious
There was one guy on here kept correct everyone stats and takes 😂. Which he was right by the way. But that's also a way not to get invited on shows. I could imagine him on first take correcting SAS and Perk every 5 seconds 😂.
@OLAOnlyLegendzAllowed if we kept the #8 pick we wouldn't of been able to afford Chris Paul, and been able to afford to bring in Harrison Barnes in the Demar to Sac from Chicago deal. So in reality we traded Rob Dillingham (pick #8 ) For 3 frps Chris Paul Harrison Barnes
Victor and Castle are untouchable. Spurs would have to get something really special to move Vassell and/or Sochan, but they could conceivably be moved. For example, wouldn't you trade Vassell for a disgruntled Tyrese Maxi?
Pelicans are cooked this year yet again. See if you can get Zion back and play him into a trade. Get something for him. Especially on a contract with so many outs, it is low risk for another team right? The issue would be the size of the salary there aren't many teams with room and pieces they'd want to give up. Right?
Not only does Randle take the ball out of the hands of Ant, but he does for the whole team. Conley cannot set the table near as well now when he is playing. But even when Mike is healthy, they should be looking for a PG. It could be Conley's last year or 2. I'd be trying to get a Tre Jones, a D'Angelo Russell (again) or Malcolm Brogdon. Someone that they could realistically get & then tell Randle that he needs to move the ball around more. He'll still get his shots with a PG, but this way isn't working.
I see what they mean about Victor not needing to shoot that many 3 pointers. But the only way he is going to develop every aspect of his game. Is by having in game reps. They are trying him out in different ways. And if he can get alot of 3s up and they are reps for developing. After he has figured it out. Then they will dial him down to 5-7 3pointers a game. He's a unicorn. So they have to play him all over the court.
I watched that entire game. 2nd unit combo guys kept them in that game. Ant looked like he was playing sleepy. He definitely has some ankle and knee injuries. That’s why he shootings those 3’s. I get the fact in numbers why he’s shooting them. But when he goes to the rim that whole team gets going.
Why does it feel like that fact that MN needs a major upgrade at the PG position is always ignored?? I mean, I love Mike Connely and definitely respect him but he should be a backup @ this point in his career.
How can y’all be suprised that Wemby stats are flat he’s played like 8 games this season the last 2 weeks he’s averaged like 30 points 3 blocks 5 threes like cmon
The media for Giannis’s whole career “ if only he could shoot threes…” Also, the media “ Victor should play like Giannis” These dudes are gonna twist themselves in knots to find reasons to criticize these pro players.
Ant is the next wave of the league, and it’s obvious. I knew when he had a chance to play in the Olympics along LeBron, Steph & KD he would change & his game would go up another level. He has been playing phenomenally, & I love the aggressive nature of how he is shooting from deep opening up this year. People of course are playing ‘The sky is falling for T-Wolves’ because they are so blind and not realizing this team has new pieces in Randle & Donte. What is not being talked about is, what happens when they figure it out soon. I’ll tell you - Best in the West, easily
It's crazy that the Celtics went from everyone saying they were just lucky last year and that the playoff teams were hurt, so they had a fake title, to now an undefeated Cavs team and a title-contending Wolves team both getting props for just coming close to beating them. When did they get their bonafides?
Everyone did-not say this at all, far from it. I, I picked to win in the preseason last year even after they got Jrue & KP (I was right on the money). The people who doubted them, just don’t want to own up to being way off & casuals. All the signs were there, they just got better and better & better each year. Always in the ECF, playing & then losing to the champion GS Warriors, etc. They were knocking on the door for years
Crazy how the media tries to stir player interests. Because im willing to bet not ONE GM or manager is looking at Zion's contract and saying ",yeah lemme get that". Like if he's hurt at pelicans, a jersey/city swap doesn't make him healthy..50 million a year fir half season and no playoffs, no thanks
The Thunder free throw discrepancy can be explained just by ref's refusing to call hard fouls for Jalen Williams. They don't see him as a star yet, so they let opposing teams batter him around freely. If he was just getting two more of those calls per game, it would be gone, and JDub would be averaging 25ppg.
That’s part of it. The more underlying half of it - J Will is only 6’6 & the Thunder are seriously running him at PF & center.. ? He’s never going to get those calls over bigs, definitely not in the West.. (Jokic, AD, Sabonis, Wemby, Gobert, Randle, Zubac, Gafford, Lively).. ? Uh, never
@@pleasedonttemptme5963he got back to back triple doubles last week pretty sure, he actually kinda solid at 5 just goes both ways obviously can’t impact as hard defensively as chet.
@pleasedonttemptme5963 JDub is almost never guarded by bigs, every team cross matches him because he would torch bigs pushed out to the 3pt line. I'm more talking about guards that frequently hit elbows, forearms, and mid air pushes of JDub that doesn't get called, which happens 5-6x per game and is almost never called for him. Those exact plays are getting called on the other side of the floor, which is where the frustration comes from of OKC.
Zion last 2 games he shot 50 and 70 percent from the field. He only played 6 games , to say his finish ability is mediocre based off 6 games is ridiculous. Definitely gotta stay healthy tho but he clearly doesn’t want to be in New Orleans.
I love how Brian uses his blackout as a reason to genuinely not watch games he is paid to talk about. NBA needs to fix that, league pass would be awesome but you can't watch ANY of the good games. Keep throwing shade brother
Trading Zion right now is a total loser, nobody would give you anything to work with at this point. They're forced to wait and hope he'll start balling and then make the move.
Or realize after 6 years in the league he's not what they were hoping he'd be and cut ties. The last thing they want is to be on the hook for 45 mill on a guy who's not available
These three basketball geeks go 40 minutes on the Timberwolves problems and don't mention the team moving on from defensive stud Kyle Anderson. Slo-mo grabbed the hustle rebounds, hit the back door pass, and did all of the little things that never showed up in the box score.
I'm sorry, but what are these 'experts' watching if they really thought Minnesota was going to be good. Last year's 50-win season was the aberration. It was Atlanta's ECF run. They're not great, they won't be. Trade Gobert, trade Randle.
46:26 Drives and getting to the line Pacers fan we have Mathurin who drives draw contact lives at the line Haliburton slides past contact. McConnell drives for little pull-up jumpers. They don't regularly get to the line.
The Warriors have been looking to trade for a second star. That's what Zion is. It may have to wait for the off season though, and I would not be surprised if the Warriors refuse to over pay for a player that is very good but often injured.✌️
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People were ready to crown Anthony Edwards already. But that trade for Randle… ehhh. Not a fan of his game. As much heat Kat gets, I thought he was a better fit for them and how they run the offense.
Way better fit
I actually don't see Edward's game being all that, his shot is slow and methodical, his handle is weak and all he really does athletically every now and then is dunk but even those aren't anything really cool to see
As a Knick fan I’m happy not to deal with toxic randle🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉😂
@@jayarah1046 Its a shame cause when we got OG, he looked much more comfortable in the team and was taking more spot on shots and reducing his ISO plays which is just so inconsistent and wearing on himself.
Hes really trying hard to push his number given he needs to ball out for a new contract
@@AlvarGeesusTheCreator KAT don't do defense which is why T-Wolves got Gobert to do what KAT should be doing LMAO... KAT has a MAX.. Gobert has a MAX.. Ant-Man is next in line for a MAX.. Naz is on a team friendly deal but as a Sixth-Man (he ought to want a new deal that is worthy of his value as a role-player); and T-Wolves were ranked one of the highest in DEFENSE in the whole NBA anyhow last season...
Kinda absurd to think ESPN analyst can’t even watch teams their paid to analyze due to these idiotic blackouts
Dude he can pirate games like everyone else and does. He probably just doesn't get to watch it live. Also League pass has every game available like the next day no matter the blackout. So he is just making excuses frankly
I agree. I live in Canada on the OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTRY from the Raptors and their games are blacked out for me across for me at times on my own television.
Do you even know what a blackout is?
The nba signs deals with the local channels to lock you out its the nbas fault
The problem is NBA contractually has local TV revenue going to local teams. This results in a war over how much geographically is blacked out on the NBA league pass level to force subscribing to "local" providers which goes to the team and not the NBA. This also leads to the big market teams' advantage in paying for players which the league likes since most national TV revenue comes from big markets.
Everyone agrees that stars get preferential treatment by the refs and guess where most of the most popular stars play?
So we end up with the Lakers leading the league in foul shots year after year....
I can see Windy submitting Tim's annual evaluation to ESPN HR: "Bontempts' approach during the discussion on the New Orleans Pelicans came across as assertive but at times may have unintentionally overshadowed his colleagues. There were moments where his contributions appeared to dismiss alternative perspectives, and he occasionally interrupted others, which might have limited the opportunity for a more balanced exchange of ideas. While his expertise is evident, a more collaborative and inclusive tone could enhance the quality of discussions and foster a more constructive dialogue among the team."
excellent 😂
in another words - let's mute Bontemps mic from time to time and all is good hahaha
I mean he's done that before. I like these 3 together, but yeh sometimes it's not conducive to different avenues of convos
Bontemps is underestimating Zion's negative impact on team culture. Zion's situation is the definition of addition by subtraction. The sooner he is out of the organization the better for the Pelicans.
They should have traded him when he looked good and was fit last time, he's bad news
Very true. However, the Pelicans in general are just a terrible organization. They have like zero clue on how to build a team, just sad to see them honestly
@@halfdayofthejackal9372Agree 100% with this. They should’ve capitalized on him a while ago rather than take more risks. As Knicks fan, I was ecstatic that we got rid of Randle while he had enough stock to get a KAT rather than continue risking on an injury prone, mood swinging, regular season All Star that never shows up in the playoffs.
@gnice42 I'm also a Knicks fan and agree wholeheartedly. Knicks built slow and smart, it's the only way.
Pels fan here and I agree with you man. At this point let’s just move on. He’s not the guy that’s going to lead us to the next level. The sooner we rip the bandaid off the better
Gobert wasn't wrong. Doesn't matter if a ISO was called for Randle at the three point line, you got a 7'1 dude on a 6'8 defender, literally 1 foot from the basket. Adapt and get the higher percentage shot.
Gobert doesn't have good handles. He mostly fumbles the ball while posting up. It's not a strong part of his game and for years he hasn't been working on his handles.
@@JasonExclusive this I agree; he wants to be the vocal point of the offence but the French bean-pole is there for the Defense and setting a screen and role for any dunk attempt.. haha
@@JasonExclusiveur right if gobert was on the move cuz he has sus coordination but on a post catch he’s actually more effective than people think, he has bad misses but he converts a lot of catches and last year Conley found him in some big moments
@@JasonExclusive For all the defense, rebounding and hustle Gobert does. You have to reward him every once in a while even if its 50% he fumbles. Thats about as good of a seal as you can get.
@@RoyLimisAw3s0me Man averages 6 shots a game as a starter and majority of those are put backs. I wouldnt considering a couple post ups a game a focal point. Reward the man covering for every one else on defense
You are a journalist for professional basketball and ESPN; how is it possible that you are locked out from any game?
idiotic TV rules and broadcasting rights. watching professional sports in 2024 is a TERRIBLE EXPERIENCE as a fan.
Cant you just own league pass and see everything though? Like i live in australia and i can watch any game i like @omlette9214
@@omlette9214 Sure.
If he lives in NY, he can't see other regional games. Only if it's nationally televised.
@@SchjoNadet what about league pass? Are you still not able to watch?
I stand in solidarity with Gobert. He had to make a point to Randle, about that BS ballhogging.
100000000000%
It wasn't the only time in that game where he was wide open... could have been 4 or 5 other times throughout the game when he sealed his defender. It gets frustrating after a while.
It’s just an adjustment, season just began. Rudy is like the 4th best player (Maybe) he seriously is in no position to demand anything of Randle who is an All NBA player..
Rudy can’t even shoot. Just stick to your job Rudy, crash the glass and defend the paint
@@pleasedonttemptme5963 hate to be the guy, but all the numbers suggest Rudy has the greatest impact on the Wolves. even tho he was clowned last playoffs he had the second best plus minus of the whole western conference. and Rudy Gobert has made the all nba team more times than Randle, and he's had more team success. Safe to say Rudy is doing something right.
Lol he was literally unplayable in the Olympics next to an actual offensively capable big. Bro gets paid for defense and cost his team a W because he wanted to pout on offense. Loser mentality. @@Shortballa11
Listening to Bontemps yelling at 3am while I study for my NMLS exam was a vibe I never knew I needed
Randle is just not a winning player.. you can only get so far with him on your team as one of the main players.. now if he was a sixth man then its not as bad.
Not alot of players better than him on many teams so that's false ,he's a 3rd option but has ability to be a 1st when he's hot
The problem for the Wolves is that Randle should be coming off the bench and Naz should be playing 30 minutes
It’s not just Randle for KAT I think losing Slow Mo and a year older Conley has also affected the team
also that donte divencenzo hasn't found his place yet and they really expected him to help give ant and julius randle a lot of spacing that they would be missing after losing KAT
Castle, Wemby, Vassell, Sochan is a talented crazy line up. With Keldon, Tre Jones, Bassey, Wesley, Branham off the bench. This team is loaded and set up for success for the forseeable future.
How's the weather in San Antonio rn?
Sochan sucks I don't see why people think he's good
A bunch of mediocre guys who don’t have high ceilings I doubt it
@@diegochavez6203 Because basketball is more than just scoring buckets. Even then, he's averaging a decent 15 points per game with 7 rebounds while playing elite defense.
@@larrlarr5316 Wemby is mediocre? If you think Vassell and Castle are mediocre too, then you need to quit watching basketball.
We must give Bontemps credit. He was not obsessively over talking his colleagues or just in general monopolizing the discussion. He has great insight in my opinion he just has to relax and let everyone make their points without interference.
I find the criticism of Wemby’s three point rate a bit repetitive. The hosts want him to post up more and play like Giannis but Giannis was never a dominant post up player!
He had trouble posting up James Harden, and a week ago when he tried to take position against OG Anunoby, he got pushed from near the paint up to the three point line. And that’s normal: Giannis has like Wemby a high center a gravity and a thin waist. That means a « weaker » lower body compared to stouter players like… OG Anunoby, and no amount of time spent in the wait room will fix that.
Giannis is so dominant because he is the best driver of all time. His flexibility quickness and prodigious upper body strength allows him to finish through contact with ease. However, that came at the expense of any form of outside shot, which is repeatedly exploited by the defences which leave him open and prefer building a wall to stop him. Furthermore, adding so many pounds of muscle to an already abnormal frame like Victor’s will put him under serious risk of long term injuries (remember Yao Ming’s feet?).
I don’t absolve Wemby from everything! His handle is way too loose, the screens he sets are catastrophic, and his shot selection has much to improve. Even his defensive awareness is sub-optimal. But I wanted to challenge the new that the path to him becoming a dominant player should be through adding 40 lbs of muscle and becoming taller Giannis. a hybrid of Jayson Tatum/ Joel Embiid (after Nick Nurse arrival), which would blend three point shots with elbow touches and drive to the rim is the path they seem to have set. And the lobs will always be there, but for that he must have a dominant ball-handler who is a scoring menace to collapse the defense and free Wemby. Chris Paul has been amazing, but he can’t sustain that offensive load anymore and we see that the defences repeatedly sag him in the pick and roll to stop the lob at all cost!
Anyway, that was just my two cents. Feel free to voice your opinion!
I would say that their take on Wemby is really off in this segment. As if it had been recorded 1 month ago.
They see no progression and explain that his stats are flat compared to last year.
The man averages 34 points on the last 5 games, 26 on the last 10 games, 23 on the season so far. How is that not a progression? He started very rusty with a few horrible games but has been on fire since then. He is also at 39% 3pm on a very high volume over the past 10 games. Why would he stop shooting?
As a spurs fan, idk how we can move castle to the bench with the way he’s been playing, for vassell , who has been injury prone. Also Champegnie is a great starting piece as a great catch and shoot and defender
Why is Bontempts default testy? 😅. Love his input though.
Yes, I get those vibes too...
He’s unbearable, this segment would be far better off without him..
Bontemps is a smart guy with relevant thoughts to contribute most of the time and I appreciate hearing from him. That being said the dude has GOT to chill out a little.
@Huddorenge88 😅😂
I love watching these videos on youtube now and seeing the looks on your guys faces when you say this stuff. Love the deadpan looks and dry humor and making fun of each other. Never stop boys.
They need to bring non-guaranteed contracts into the NBA
Let’s all call it what it is now and accept the fact that Zion is a bust.
No one is questioning his talent..but availability is part of the game and he’s hardly on the floor
He played heaps last year. He's been a beast for 18 months. I think they simply cannot trade him and expect value in return for what they give up. And besides his contract doesn't cost them if he don't play.
I bet brian feels like punching bontemps in the face everyday he has to talk to him
man, bontemps is an acquired taste. his tone when he makes his points... I'm surprised the other two guys put up with him.
You can sometimes see the frustration and exhaustion in their face when he chimes in with something totally negative or momentum-stopping, like the shows flow gets interrupted by him so much...i worked for a sports show too, im surprised its gone on for this long bc this type of stuff would be discussed in show meetings or at least to one-another
@@wakaflokafamevevo yeah, that's the right word: just kills the flow. it'd be one thing if it were some schtick he does and it's sort of entertaining, but it seems to be his actual personality and I can't imagine why they keep him around.
He's by far the most important part of the show
if you have bobby marks on this show instead of bontemps, i will literally pay money to listen
I liked the Kat/Randle trade because I thought Randle was just a way to move Naz Reid into the starting lineup, and Randle and Donte can run the second squad, and I don't understand why they made the wolves "Randle's team" instead of relying on the guys they had on the team. Kat was a financial problem, not a skill problem. You needed to move him to resign Naz/NAW. Now he's just ruining your team
I remember when that draft lottery and new Orleans won and the excitement of the organization like winning the regular lottery and now look at them I'm actually glad to be a wizards fan are future looks brighter.
On Wemby & Threes at 25:03 :
When planning for the years to come (and not focusing on this season), it is probably more important for Wemby at 20 y.o to work on his 3-pt shoot than it is to focus on what he can do at the rim. The latter he knows how to do pretty well, and I believe it can be improved much faster (with his abilities and experience) than his 3-pt shoot. What he is doing today that raises eyebrows (mainly because is does not maximize its immediate potential) is part of a career strategy and a franchise strategy for the next 15 years...
He doesn't really have ANY moves at the rim. He's just super tall with some agility. I assume he will never develop actual post moves but that would be great.
Exactly! He will never lose his ability to attack the rim. He is basically working on his shot in game as he plans to be playing FIBA 3 summers out of 4 and won't have time to do it during the off season.
He is already getting more efficient. He is shooting 42% from 3 on the last 5 games, 38 over the past 10. He needs to be a threat from 3 if he wants space in the paint. He cannot do good yet with a paint crowded with stocky defenders.
its amazing to me how these guys can compare the analytics from last season 82 games vs 12 games this season.
Best hoop pod out
Disappointed the guys didnt mention Jeremy Sochan when talking about the Spurs. Hes only played 7 games and has missed a lot of time to injury but hes taken a big leap this season. By far the Spurs best wing defender, a solid playmaker for his position, improved shooting and was absolutely crashing the boards before his injury. Hes really the 3rd guy of that core behind Wemby and Vassell, hes the perfect guy to have next to Wemby.
Pelicans going into the season without a Center was a HUGE mistake..
I dislike bontemps attitude so much
"He's always home", definite shot haha
They are just upset they keep pushing for more ESPN success and that makes their life worse when he is happy at home making the money he makes now and waiting for a pension
I dislike Bontempts so much. Like bruh chill. Guy can’t never give players or teams grace like Windy, but be wrong af in most predictions & things he says
They thought that by trading Anthony Towns for Randle it would been the right choice for the team lmaoo.
Only nba2k noobs thought that
I hate to be that guy and I mean no disrespect but his name is Karl-Anthony Towns. Not Karl Anthony-Towns. He has a double first named. I only found this out recently
Ant is turning into Tatum which isn't the worst thing in the world, but he should play to his strengths rather than jack up three's all game. Same for Tatum. They are both dynamic and should play inside and out.
If you watch OKC when they get to the land no one is around them to foul them. SGA is the only one with players around him and that the game defending him. Hard to draw a foul when you are wide open for a layup or dunk. And the mid-range and stp an pop so well the defender is on his heels leaving that wide open. Again, you can't draw a foul is not one is around you. Plus NBA other than a helpful of teams don't play defense anyway it just is you the team that makes more of your 50+ 3s a night.
I'm just gonna wait here until the crew mentions Sochan when discussing the Spurs' future pieces.
Phase 1 was these guys saying "no one will be on this team when the Spurs are good outside of Wemby cause that's what happened with Bron"
Phase 2 was these guys saying "Maybe they keep Vassell and Castle around Wemby but that's it" and throwing a little "Julian Champagnie is nice"
Phase 3 will be these guys realizing that the Spurs are 15 players deep this season for a reason. That Mamu, Bassey, Keldon, Sochan, Tre, Wesley are also part of the core of supporting players. Spurs fans who have been following believe in this team for a reason. We have like 8 young players this season and up to 4 first round picks in this draft. We are coming for the NBA
One big reason. Is Randle plays no defense and most of the times he does not even try. I'm a Knicks fan and watched Randle for many years sprint up the court on offense but walk or jog up the court on defense. So that right there will have your dee take a step back
Windy why do you always call KAT as "Towns" or "Karl Towns" specifically vs a lot of reporters/commentators who say "Karl-Anthony Towns" or "KAT"? Just curious
There was one guy on here kept correct everyone stats and takes 😂. Which he was right by the way. But that's also a way not to get invited on shows. I could imagine him on first take correcting SAS and Perk every 5 seconds 😂.
Victor Wembanyama
Stephon Castle
Devin Vassell
Jeremy Sochan
Is our core 4. Everyone else is moveable for right price.
Vassell is a good shooter, but I rlly dont understand the hype. I think he'd be a great trade piece if they have a chance to get a star
How they traded the 8th pick away and didnt draft Matas Buzelis is beyond me
DV might be expendable if he can’t stay healthy. I’m a spurs fan since a kid but DV can’t play then eff him lol
@OLAOnlyLegendzAllowed if we kept the #8 pick we wouldn't of been able to afford Chris Paul, and been able to afford to bring in Harrison Barnes in the Demar to Sac from Chicago deal.
So in reality we traded Rob Dillingham (pick #8 )
For
3 frps
Chris Paul
Harrison Barnes
Victor and Castle are untouchable. Spurs would have to get something really special to move Vassell and/or Sochan, but they could conceivably be moved. For example, wouldn't you trade Vassell for a disgruntled Tyrese Maxi?
Bontemps always on his period. It’s a sports discussion show. Relax buddy.
Pelicans are cooked this year yet again. See if you can get Zion back and play him into a trade. Get something for him. Especially on a contract with so many outs, it is low risk for another team right? The issue would be the size of the salary there aren't many teams with room and pieces they'd want to give up. Right?
Pelicans can't realistically tank. Will they have the seven injured players all sit out all season when healthy? Trade everyone on the lowest value?
The benefit is like 30 million in savings and getting on with a rebuild
There is no maybe, Gobert was 2 inches from the rim with a much smaller guy on him, the pass should have been made, period.
Not only does Randle take the ball out of the hands of Ant, but he does for the whole team. Conley cannot set the table near as well now when he is playing. But even when Mike is healthy, they should be looking for a PG. It could be Conley's last year or 2. I'd be trying to get a Tre Jones, a D'Angelo Russell (again) or Malcolm Brogdon. Someone that they could realistically get & then tell Randle that he needs to move the ball around more. He'll still get his shots with a PG, but this way isn't working.
I see what they mean about Victor not needing to shoot that many 3 pointers. But the only way he is going to develop every aspect of his game. Is by having in game reps. They are trying him out in different ways. And if he can get alot of 3s up and they are reps for developing. After he has figured it out. Then they will dial him down to 5-7 3pointers a game. He's a unicorn. So they have to play him all over the court.
How ironic is it that a podcast with Tim Bontemps in it is talking about a team with bad chemistry?
Zion is like many other NBA players before him: Give him his bag, and he loses all motivation. And people knock on LBJ?!🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I watched that entire game. 2nd unit combo guys kept them in that game.
Ant looked like he was playing sleepy. He definitely has some ankle and knee injuries. That’s why he shootings those 3’s.
I get the fact in numbers why he’s shooting them. But when he goes to the rim that whole team gets going.
Tim Macmahon reminds me of Nick Offerman from “We’re the Millers” 😅😅
Why does it feel like that fact that MN needs a major upgrade at the PG position is always ignored?? I mean, I love Mike Connely and definitely respect him but he should be a backup @ this point in his career.
Zion finesse the league. I don't think he really love basketball
I don't wanna hear about Thunder and free throws. Sga is the push off king and gets to the line.
How can y’all be suprised that Wemby stats are flat he’s played like 8 games this season the last 2 weeks he’s averaged like 30 points 3 blocks 5 threes like cmon
NBA sports talk > NBAgames
Which of the 3 hosts is the most impatient and talks the most over others? Which of the three hosts believes he always knows more than the others?
Why did Zach Lowe get fired as opposed to the perpetually angry guy?
espn is unwatchable on YT; too much ads
The media for Giannis’s whole career “ if only he could shoot threes…”
Also, the media “ Victor should play like Giannis”
These dudes are gonna twist themselves in knots to find reasons to criticize these pro players.
Ant is the next wave of the league, and it’s obvious. I knew when he had a chance to play in the Olympics along LeBron, Steph & KD he would change & his game would go up another level.
He has been playing phenomenally, & I love the aggressive nature of how he is shooting from deep opening up this year.
People of course are playing ‘The sky is falling for T-Wolves’ because they are so blind and not realizing this team has new pieces in Randle & Donte.
What is not being talked about is, what happens when they figure it out soon. I’ll tell you - Best in the West, easily
It's crazy that the Celtics went from everyone saying they were just lucky last year and that the playoff teams were hurt, so they had a fake title, to now an undefeated Cavs team and a title-contending Wolves team both getting props for just coming close to beating them. When did they get their bonafides?
Everyone did-not say this at all, far from it. I, I picked to win in the preseason last year even after they got Jrue & KP (I was right on the money).
The people who doubted them, just don’t want to own up to being way off & casuals. All the signs were there, they just got better and better & better each year.
Always in the ECF, playing & then losing to the champion GS Warriors, etc. They were knocking on the door for years
Crazy how the media tries to stir player interests. Because im willing to bet not ONE GM or manager is looking at Zion's contract and saying ",yeah lemme get that". Like if he's hurt at pelicans, a jersey/city swap doesn't make him healthy..50 million a year fir half season and no playoffs, no thanks
He's getting cut after this season
Pretty sure changing jerseys will magically make him better
His contract will be looked at as a big salary cut.
@@damyouboy in the final year sure but what about this season? And the next 2?
Does bontemps ever not talk
The Thunder free throw discrepancy can be explained just by ref's refusing to call hard fouls for Jalen Williams. They don't see him as a star yet, so they let opposing teams batter him around freely. If he was just getting two more of those calls per game, it would be gone, and JDub would be averaging 25ppg.
That’s part of it. The more underlying half of it - J Will is only 6’6 & the Thunder are seriously running him at PF & center.. ?
He’s never going to get those calls over bigs, definitely not in the West.. (Jokic, AD, Sabonis, Wemby, Gobert, Randle, Zubac, Gafford, Lively).. ? Uh, never
@@pleasedonttemptme5963he got back to back triple doubles last week pretty sure, he actually kinda solid at 5 just goes both ways obviously can’t impact as hard defensively as chet.
@pleasedonttemptme5963 JDub is almost never guarded by bigs, every team cross matches him because he would torch bigs pushed out to the 3pt line. I'm more talking about guards that frequently hit elbows, forearms, and mid air pushes of JDub that doesn't get called, which happens 5-6x per game and is almost never called for him. Those exact plays are getting called on the other side of the floor, which is where the frustration comes from of OKC.
@@Blaze42020 He’s just solid, he’s not a big. Hence why he’s not going to get the calls
@@hestilllives192 When he goes inside, yes he is often challenged by a big. Yes
Zion last 2 games he shot 50 and 70 percent from the field. He only played 6 games , to say his finish ability is mediocre based off 6 games is ridiculous. Definitely gotta stay healthy tho but he clearly doesn’t want to be in New Orleans.
😂 no he just doesn't have discipline and love basketball you can tell who he is by his choice of food and women
Whoa Whoa Whoa.. MIN’s games are BLACKED OUT for Windy??? YOU COVER THE NBA FOR ESPN AND DON’T HAVE LEAGUE PASS, BRO?! WHAT IS GOIN’ ON????
Wendy seems like the type of guy too invite you over at 3am then offer you sum blueberry pancakes 😂
Bontemps needs to lay off the Redbull
Bontemps is the realist on the pod 😂😂😂
Omg. Bontemps just cant stand different opinion.
Hell, cant even hear it.
Donte has been trash on the wolves he's had about 3 good games maybe, and his defense isn't worth talking about either.
Embiid, Ogden, Yao, Zion, etc. bigs like that who don’t take care of themselves don’t last.
Shooting more 3s does not equal better offense. Not everyone can play like Boston or GSW and you don’t have to. Play to your strengths
People thought the T-Wolves would be BETTER this year?! My GOD!
The Timberwolves chemistry will take time add DiVincenz+Randall playing in the line-up makes a difference as well...
I love how Brian uses his blackout as a reason to genuinely not watch games he is paid to talk about. NBA needs to fix that, league pass would be awesome but you can't watch ANY of the good games. Keep throwing shade brother
Ah yes. Twolves are getting the Foolius Handle experience. Super talented, but makes low iq plays way too many times.
The only GM that would trade for Zion would be one looking to get himself terminated so he could live off his own package
Trading Zion right now is a total loser, nobody would give you anything to work with at this point. They're forced to wait and hope he'll start balling and then make the move.
Or realize after 6 years in the league he's not what they were hoping he'd be and cut ties. The last thing they want is to be on the hook for 45 mill on a guy who's not available
They were just offered the 3rd overall pick, players, and change in April. Getting anything is better than the nothing we getting now.
@@PelicansCourtsideClub source? That sounds incredibly foolish to offer that for Zion.
the pels have a lot of talent but injuries and just a lack of cohesiveness across the roster have limited them so much
Trade Bontemps.
Wait can someone elaborate on why brian cant watch more Minnesota games?
Their games are always blacked out
Bontempts needs to be cut. Didn't add anything to the conversation
They should’ve of never traded KAT!! His shooting and spacing of the floor helps them a lot. Randle isn’t gonna do much.
A 7 footer had a SF pinned in the post. Give him the ball.
Anyway, this team needs to make a chemistry move.
Bontemps is that dood that never got picked to play basketball in the park.
These three basketball geeks go 40 minutes on the Timberwolves problems and don't mention the team moving on from defensive stud Kyle Anderson. Slo-mo grabbed the hustle rebounds, hit the back door pass, and did all of the little things that never showed up in the box score.
I'm sorry, but what are these 'experts' watching if they really thought Minnesota was going to be good. Last year's 50-win season was the aberration. It was Atlanta's ECF run. They're not great, they won't be. Trade Gobert, trade Randle.
46:26 Drives and getting to the line Pacers fan we have Mathurin who drives draw contact lives at the line Haliburton slides past contact. McConnell drives for little pull-up jumpers. They don't regularly get to the line.
How does no one have a mute button for Bontemps, gese STFU once in awhile
Zion is essentially on a Ben Simmons career trajectory
what’s the difference between wemby and porzingis
Bulls fan here will give you Zach Lavine and Giddy for Zion
Send Zion to Charlotte. That team would either be super good, or super injured.
Yall are comparing him to players that have PLAYED PLAYOFF GAMES
Pels should not tank! If they get their roster healthy then I would expect them to win 80% of their games
Anthony Edward’s when it’s alll said n done will be one of the most overrated players ever to never win a chip yet with a big mouth
Good stuff Rudy... Randle pass the ball Rudy had a huge mix match
The Warriors have been looking to trade for a second star. That's what Zion is. It may have to wait for the off season though, and I would not be surprised if the Warriors refuse to over pay for a player that is very good but often injured.✌️