You can be assured that there is a diverse, equitable group of experts working on the proper development of a narrative. One that balances the feelings of all stakeholders 😂
@@markl8111 The feeling of all the stakeholders ok but really. Time is the driver here in all of your current projects and is not managed very well this should be the focus . The most of the stakeholders will understand but not all. The suite issue is a must but is one of many.
There is also a Soyuz lifeboat permanently docked at ISS for just this sort of eventuality. With a 24 year history of successfully sevicing the station, the astronauts are in no immediate danger. It is just a question of which is less humiliating to Boeing, to be rescued by SpaceX or Roscosmos!
@@AdvistaVideo Elon should buy Boeing and change things in the. O pant to get back to high quality engineering. Unless something like that happens Boeing will be doomed when sales decline and people switch to flights using Airbus planes. Thanks to DEI and other non common sense ideas we are killing every company that used to be good and respected like Disney. I am worried about airlines when there is DEI in the cockpit rather than people hired for skills and merit.
This is the exact reason why NASA wanted 2 different crew spacecraft. So crews don't have to risk their lives. They also need capsule to capsule docking for emergency rescues. I guess NASA hasn't figured this out. Hopefully before it's too late. There's no need to risk people's lives on starliner to try and save the reputation of Boeing.
@@DeathDancer27the Falcon 9s are grounded for now. They had a failure in the 2nd stage of their latest Starlink launch, so they’re grounded until the FAA gives the ok.
It goes a lot deeper than that. Managers who know nothing about spacecraft, multiple layers of management all intent on pinching pennies rather than producing a quality product, cost over-runs largely due to the multiple layers of management sucking up resources that should have gone into the product, and of course that newest of problems...DEI filling the workforce with unproductive and incompetent people. Boeing spacecraft division needs to be terminated as it's rotten from the top down and I don't think it can be fixed.
It's time now for NASA to make a desision! The safest desision would be to send a Dragon to safely bring back the astronauts and bring the Starliner back empty. Just in case.
Here's my assessment of the givens: a) the apparent uncertainty of the scope, depth, and solution to Starliner's current problems, b) NASA's past propensity for making life and death decisions based on political pressures and public relations concerns, at the expense of astronaut safety, c) Starliner's chronic quality and reliability problems, d) the Starliner Program's poor management by both NASA and Boeing, and e) SpaceX's demonstrated safety record, capabilities to respond to complex problems rapidly and launch schedule flexibility. The safest decision here seems straightforward: 1) either launch an additional Dragon to rescue the Starliner crew, or add Wilmore and Williams as passengers on the return of the Dragon currently at the ISS, 2) return Starliner, empty, in autonomous mode, and 3) cancel the Starliner program.
Send the Boeing CEO and his number 2 up to bring the Starliner home. It will give them a first hand appreciation of why listening to your engineers is important … that’s what I’d do as well as giving the Astronauts a safe ride home … on Dragon .
As I understand its not so easy just to send Dragon. Its seats are made for tight fit for astronaut suits that will ride in them. And suits are tailor made for astronauts that will wear them. So, they will be incompatibile with suits that they have up there. So, new suits had to be made, wirhout any chance for checks if they fit properly. And new seats, also no checks here. Maybe it is not a big thing but still important.
At this point I think those astronauts would trust riding a Dragon just dressed in their underwear than risk their lives coming back in a broken spaceship.
Yes; NASA should send up an uncrewed Dragon, and use the opportunity to ship a better pair of space-suit to the ISS. This Dragon could then bring the Starliner astronauts back.
It was embarrassing watching the launch and having to see Cpt Williams constantly push the helmet up because it kept falling down into her field of view and Cpt Wilmore having to get large band aids put under his chin because the helmet zipper was cutting into his skin while it was open. A proper space suit should not be a hinderance or harm the wearer.
If it were me, I would refuse to come back on Starliner. Murphy's law is the only law that seems to apply to Starliner. In my mind, using Starliner to come home is just tempting fate. ;0)
They're taking their paycheck from Boeing. With residuals that far outway what NASA or a Boeing check would be. They'll be good kiddies and do what the Boeing engineers say , come hell or high water. Astronauts of today's ilk, face no unusual situations that simulations have already not preprogrammed into their brain. All except the OH SHIT moment. Few are test pilots, and even test pilots seem to spend too much time in simulators.
Boeing will be lucky if they manage one more flight before the ISS termination at the current rate of progress. They will be lucky to get this ship and crew back alive in that deathtrap
I feel if they are not sure starliner will preform perfectly then I think they should do a return of starliner to earth with out astronauts aboard. It doesn't need a crew to return to earth and if it fails the crew will still be safe on the station. Space X can always send up Dragon loaded with supplies needed by the space station and since they already know the measurements of of the two astronauts Space X can fabricate a couple of new space suits to work in Dragon. Along with another pilot for the Dragon to insure all goes well.
In the US there are tons of company executives with massive, massive salaries and benefits (e.g. recall the disgraced Boeing CEO Jim "737-Max" McNerny having to scrape by now with a life-long pension of just $250,000. Per month.) And all he did was wreck Boeing - what a bargain.
A little humility would go a long way for Boeing to get their act together. A SpaceX rescue will save Boeing further disaster possibility that they might not recover from.
There are two major questions to be answered before returning Starliner: 1. How many and which thrusters are allowed to fail during de-orbit? 2. Is the Starliner software sophisticated enough to handle and mitigate all possible combinations of thruster failures during de-orbit?
No matter what happens to the space ship, don't bring it down on it. Bring them back in a SpaceX Dragon, I want our astronauts to be safer in their return to home!
YES. Boeing is more concerned with possible humiliation than the loss of the astronauts. Boeing was an aeronautical engineering company governed by senior aeronautical engineers. Now the top executives are accountants and lawyers.
@@timwhalen1288 NASA made the call to launch Challenger in sub 40 temps. They ignored an Oring engineer who warned them of the dangers.. the other was Foam hit a heat tile on the wing on launch. It was critical & caused the "anomaly" on re-entry ..
It takes about Five months to refurbish the dragon capsules. As far as I know, all of the dragon capsules are either going on refurbishment or are being Used at the moment for other missions. SpaceX probably could have one ready, but it might take at least 100 days.
When they first arrived at the ISS Butch asked if there were spare undergarments on the ISS. Houston replied that they would need to return to earth with the garments they were wearing. Considering there is no washing machine on ISS, that could be a problem, especially considering how long they have been up there. (And if the garments were soiled on the way up).
The problem is that lawmakers are allowed to take in bribes - or lobby money - from incompetent companies that feel entilted to be in the space race with subpar strategies. Go spacex for staying on course.
I don't understand.. If they are so worried about life's, and returning them home when they both are confident in Starliner, then just let it happen. It will work (fingeres crossed). They all know the risk, and what to do, but the next crew flight is not going to happen anytime soon. And don't get me wrong, I love NASA, but they better get that contingency ready (Dragon). regardless of what the crew says. They are late for Prom, and NASA wont pay for a taxi. They are how many days past due? "C-Section," the return flight, detach it, and make room for X. Thanks for the video.
There is a great article in Smithsonian Air and Space from years ago that sums this up. Elon wanted to get into the space business and every company did not take him seriously and would price simple components for sale at ridiculously high prices. SO, he did what any driven genius does, he went around the big space tech company's and created his own, FAA fought him on quality standards, funny thing, there were no FAA DO standards on the books for space. Now the big boys (Boeing, Lockheed, Northrup) are shating there pants. Elon once said that in order to lead engineers you need to be one yourself. The Saturn V was a great example of this. Elon just followed the model from the 60's and is killing it. O and he has a complete commercial market not relying on GOV bucks.
To quote Han Solo: "I have a bad feeling about this." We're at an inflection point, where the old school NASA contractor system is up against the new. Boeing is old and feeble and overly bureaucratic (not to mention way too comfortable with not having much/any real competition) whereas SpaceX is younger, hungrier, and more flexible. Are we to believe that the corporate culture of profits over safety (re: the 737) has not infected their space division? We can only hope.
It's strange and funny that SpaceX can build 5 Starships, launch about 10 or more Crew Dragons, and who can count how many Cargo Dragons plus 300 or so Falcons in the time Boeing can fix a thruster on their StuckLiner. Holy Cow!
Boeing/nasa should let the crew comeback on a crew dragon. Then bring starliner back remotely. If it works fine and they lose a little face to spaceX. But if the astronauts perish on the starliner on reentry when they didn’t have to. All hell will break lose.
Starliner is a no win situation. If it lands safely and the crew is Ok, well, that's what it is suppose to do. if the crew is not OK the project is over. If Dragon picks them up, Starliner is over.
The will never do that, if the astronauts are saved by the Crew Dragon. Because: what if it fails upon reentry ? Everybody will go: See! Unsafe at any speed !
What is needed is a docking bay Y joint. With one of these attached on the outside of ISS but attached close by to each docking port. Then, if athing like this happens again, the Y joint can be moved into a position between the ISS docking port and the ship blocking the needed port.
As much as I hate to disagree with you on this, I dont think they need to send Dragon to return the astronauts. Its comforting to know that they could if necessary though. According to Boeing they have a 210 day window to work with, so in that conext there still fine. I do think this type of goverment backed project has much of a future. The next era of space travel is here. Space X, Sierra Space and many many other companies are changing space travel for the better. 🙂
If only NASA didn't have a history of feeling pressure to fly and losing two space shuttles. And if only Boeing hadn't become a company with a compromised safety culture with their passenger planes. It's hard to trust either organization's judgment. I'm sure they mean well, but I'm not convinced their judgment about the safety of returning Starliner with crew aboard. They're prone to taking chances they shouldn't and saying that everything is perfectly safe just before disaster strikes. Good luck to them.
It’s so obvious what SpaceX will do to de-orbit the ISS. They will send Falcon 9 heavy with a modified hard dock Dragon to the ISS with the second stage mostly fueled and still attached. It will use the stations thrusters to reorient into the proper position and then let both Dragon and the second stage do the work to slow it down. At that point all they have to monitor is speed corrections to ensure a steep enough re-entry to ensure total burn up at the right time and location. [Simple]
They are safe inside the ISS. There is an abundance of air, water and food there. Many astronauts have spent far longer visits to the station with no ill effects.
They don't need much extra oxygen. We don't absorb much oxygen in a breath so we are constantly returning it to the air handling systems. They just replace it with the little bit we keep. They can use electricity to split water into oxygen and hydrogen if they have to . Using your water to make oxygen isn't a good long term idea. They recycle all the water and reuse it for drinking and cooking. So the waste disposal systems are designed to return every drop of water possible to the astronauts.
I accept one very important comment. After reentry, they will not have the service module to evaluate. They really need to evaluate these malfunctions before reentry. I say Boeing needs to suck it up, let Dragon rotate the crew, and maybe even send new engineers to evaluate the Starliner. It can eventually come back unmanned.
Yes. If I were on of those astronauts I would be refusing to get back in to that piece of junk. Boeing have made their usual bodge job and someone is going to get hurt😢
I think NASA should send Crew Dragon with a pilot to the ISS for rescue. A pilot would be required since the rescued astronauts are not familiar with Crew Dragon's controls.
Prediction: These tests will intentionally continue long enough for Boeing to announce that "out of an abundance of caution" they are deorbiting the Starliner without crew and putting the stranded crew on a Dragon. I'm betting that SpaceX is already making suits for the two NASA astronauts based on body size data the NASA surely has.
Space is dangerous and not easily done. Amazing that for a first flight they are learning while still being safe. When they return the knowledge gained will help everyone.
The space industry is troubled, Blue Origin can't get it up, Boeing can't get it down 🤣😂🙃😉🤭🤭
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You just won the internet
SpaceX quietly sat in the corner putting them all to shame.
@@reconghostmediaand China space program.
@@3Dfuntastic sue origin breaks wind while SpaceX breaks orbit and Boeing just keeps crapping on itself
You can be assured that there is a diverse, equitable group of experts working on the proper development of a narrative. One that balances the feelings of all stakeholders 😂
Indeed
@@markl8111 The feeling of all the stakeholders ok but really. Time is the driver here in all of your current projects and is not managed very well this should be the focus . The most of the stakeholders will understand but not all. The suite issue is a must but is one of many.
There is also a Soyuz lifeboat permanently docked at ISS for just this sort of eventuality. With a 24 year history of successfully sevicing the station, the astronauts are in no immediate danger. It is just a question of which is less humiliating to Boeing, to be rescued by SpaceX or Roscosmos!
Exactly. SpaceX to the rescue.
Any offer of help should be accepted readily without any heartburn.
Yes! Love to see Space X embarrass Boeing. Given all the mishaps Boeing has had, Starliner being rescued by Dragon would be the cherry on the top. 👍
@@AdvistaVideo Elon should buy Boeing and change things in the. O pant to get back to high quality engineering. Unless something like that happens Boeing will be doomed when sales decline and people switch to flights using Airbus planes. Thanks to DEI and other non common sense ideas we are killing every company that used to be good and respected like Disney. I am worried about airlines when there is DEI in the cockpit rather than people hired for skills and merit.
This is the exact reason why NASA wanted 2 different crew spacecraft. So crews don't have to risk their lives. They also need capsule to capsule docking for emergency rescues. I guess NASA hasn't figured this out. Hopefully before it's too late. There's no need to risk people's lives on starliner to try and save the reputation of Boeing.
The only reason Nasa needed 2 capsules is because SpaceX was the second choice. They only need one type of capsule now; a SpaceX capsule.
Save the crew via Dragon!!
I work for SpacexX. Always count on SpaceX for space exploration
NASA needs to admit their mistake. Send up Dragon to get those astronauts back home safely. Why risk their lives!
@@donaldhoward2809 you mean mistakes and coverups, plural? 😀
Space X needs to rescue the astronauts from ISS.
yes, Boeing is toast, sadly. Send SpaceX's Dragon to rescue Butch and Suni.
Unless the astronauts are physically at risk, then there is no urgency in risking a re-entry with the GARBAGE CAN.
Ya bud .. send up a dragon ❤❤😂😂😂😅..musk can get them home like yesterday
@@john211murphy trash 🥫
Malfunctioning 😏🚽$$$
@@DeathDancer27the Falcon 9s are grounded for now. They had a failure in the 2nd stage of their latest Starlink launch, so they’re grounded until the FAA gives the ok.
Thank you for covering this as I'm not hearing about it anywhere!
DEI and rocket science don't mix.
The problem is they used shoddy parts to satisfy the accountants in the "C Suite".
It goes a lot deeper than that. Managers who know nothing about spacecraft, multiple layers of management all intent on pinching pennies rather than producing a quality product, cost over-runs largely due to the multiple layers of management sucking up resources that should have gone into the product, and of course that newest of problems...DEI filling the workforce with unproductive and incompetent people. Boeing spacecraft division needs to be terminated as it's rotten from the top down and I don't think it can be fixed.
The longer it stays there, the fewer flights can go to the ISS. How many parking spots are available at the ISS?
Yes. Send Dragon to rescue the crew. Boeing and Nasa should take the loss and not gamble with the astronauts' lives. 🤨
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It's time now for NASA to make a desision! The safest desision would be to send a Dragon to safely bring back the astronauts and bring the Starliner back empty. Just in case.
The best desision you could make is to return to high school.
Absolutely if they even try to come home on starliner could be a disaster. Dragon should go to rescue
The Boeing Starliner is a boondoggle. Starliner is space junk straight from the assembly line.
If I was a smart astronaut I would be damned if I would ride that capsule back to Earth
As the fictional Forrest Gump once said and I strongly feel it applies here, "Stupid is as Stupid does".
Here's my assessment of the givens: a) the apparent uncertainty of the scope, depth, and solution to Starliner's current problems, b) NASA's past propensity for making life and death decisions based on political pressures and public relations concerns, at the expense of astronaut safety, c) Starliner's chronic quality and reliability problems, d) the Starliner Program's poor management by both NASA and Boeing, and e) SpaceX's demonstrated safety record, capabilities to respond to complex problems rapidly and launch schedule flexibility.
The safest decision here seems straightforward: 1) either launch an additional Dragon to rescue the Starliner crew, or add Wilmore and Williams as passengers on the return of the Dragon currently at the ISS, 2) return Starliner, empty, in autonomous mode, and 3) cancel the Starliner program.
Send the Boeing CEO and his number 2 up to bring the Starliner home. It will give them a first hand appreciation of why listening to your engineers is important … that’s what I’d do as well as giving the Astronauts a safe ride home … on Dragon .
Please take your time don’t play into pressure from the public.keep those people safe.
As I understand its not so easy just to send Dragon. Its seats are made for tight fit for astronaut suits that will ride in them. And suits are tailor made for astronauts that will wear them. So, they will be incompatibile with suits that they have up there. So, new suits had to be made, wirhout any chance for checks if they fit properly. And new seats, also no checks here. Maybe it is not a big thing but still important.
At this point I think those astronauts would trust riding a Dragon just dressed in their underwear than risk their lives coming back in a broken spaceship.
@@Columbus1152 i belive Soyuz 10 showed why that is a bad idea.
Excellent Reporting. 👍
Test the Starliner all they want, but send Dragon to retrieve the crew
If the crew comes back on starliner, nasa may have another Colombia mishap
Dear god I hope not. It's all fun and games making fun of Boeings incompetence, but I don't want to see anyone get kIll3d.
@@Kevin_Knox I agree, but look at the ego's of those in nasa & boeing & how much money was spent on this boondogle
Yes; NASA should send up an uncrewed Dragon, and use the opportunity to ship a better pair of space-suit to the ISS. This Dragon could then bring the Starliner astronauts back.
this is the correct solution...and I am not a "rocket scientist".
It was embarrassing watching the launch and having to see Cpt Williams constantly push the helmet up because it kept falling down into her field of view and Cpt Wilmore having to get large band aids put under his chin because the helmet zipper was cutting into his skin while it was open. A proper space suit should not be a hinderance or harm the wearer.
Starliner is now the Starturd !
yes, bring them back with spaceX
If it were me, I would refuse to come back on Starliner. Murphy's law is the only law that seems to apply to Starliner. In my mind, using Starliner to come home is just tempting fate. ;0)
They're taking their paycheck from Boeing. With residuals that far outway what NASA or a Boeing check would be. They'll be good kiddies and do what the Boeing engineers say , come hell or high water. Astronauts of today's ilk, face no unusual situations that simulations have already not preprogrammed into their brain. All except the OH SHIT moment. Few are test pilots, and even test pilots seem to spend too much time in simulators.
This is what happens when a company prioritises DEI over merit.
Ditto 😀
Actually it’s more about employing MBAs over engineers
Hilarious, and probably not coincidental, that I got a Boeing advert just before this video!
Boeing will be lucky if they manage one more flight before the ISS termination at the current rate of progress. They will be lucky to get this ship and crew back alive in that deathtrap
I feel if they are not sure starliner will preform perfectly then I think they should do a return of starliner to earth with out astronauts aboard. It doesn't need a crew to return to earth and if it fails the crew will still be safe on the station. Space X can always send up Dragon loaded with supplies needed by the space station and since they already know the measurements of of the two astronauts Space X can fabricate a couple of new space suits to work in Dragon. Along with another pilot for the Dragon to insure all goes well.
In the US there are tons of company executives with massive, massive salaries and benefits (e.g. recall the disgraced Boeing CEO Jim "737-Max" McNerny having to scrape by now with a life-long pension of just $250,000. Per month.) And all he did was wreck Boeing - what a bargain.
No problem with Starliner returning. When Space-X breaks the space station appart, and does a deorbit burn it will come down with the spacestation.
That sounds efficient.
Haha ha Space X is going to have to rescue Boing's crew. ;)
Maybe
A little humility would go a long way for Boeing to get their act together. A SpaceX rescue will save Boeing further disaster possibility that they might not recover from.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Wilmore and Williams end up coming back down on a Dragon capsule.
There are two major questions to be answered before returning Starliner: 1. How many and which thrusters are allowed to fail during de-orbit? 2. Is the Starliner software sophisticated enough to handle and mitigate all possible combinations of thruster failures during de-orbit?
No matter what happens to the space ship, don't bring it down on it. Bring them back in a SpaceX Dragon, I want our astronauts to be safer in their return to home!
Yes, we need to send spacex to save our astronauts and boeing need to pay for it
Yes they should send spacex to rescue the astronauts and bring them home
YES ! ! ! Spacex to the rescue
Viable solution for Starliner problems is called Crew Dragon 😅
NASA should just undergo a brand over and admit SpaceX is the GOAT.
Send up a 737 max
Yes, dragon to the rescue🤩🚀
YES. Boeing is more concerned with possible humiliation than the loss of the astronauts. Boeing was an aeronautical engineering company governed by senior aeronautical engineers. Now the top executives are accountants and lawyers.
Did the same thing with Shuttle twice...fuck Boeing
@@timwhalen1288 NASA made the call to launch Challenger in sub 40 temps. They ignored an Oring engineer who warned them of the dangers.. the other was Foam hit a heat tile on the wing on launch. It was critical & caused the "anomaly" on re-entry ..
It takes about Five months to refurbish the dragon capsules. As far as I know, all of the dragon capsules are either going on refurbishment or are being Used at the moment for other missions. SpaceX probably could have one ready, but it might take at least 100 days.
Yes. I worked and retired from Boeing. There's a large number of upper management that have been promoted by the good oi budie prossess.
When they first arrived at the ISS Butch asked if there were spare undergarments on the ISS. Houston replied that they would need to return to earth with the garments they were wearing. Considering there is no washing machine on ISS, that could be a problem, especially considering how long they have been up there. (And if the garments were soiled on the way up).
imagine having to wear the same underwear for a month that's gotta be stinky
Starliner, where the 737 Max goes to die………Boeing is becoming a dangerous mass of idiocracy.
Send the dragon so we know the crew will get of safe. The bring the starliner home and see what happens
The problem is that lawmakers are allowed to take in bribes - or lobby money - from incompetent companies that feel entilted to be in the space race with subpar strategies. Go spacex for staying on course.
Sending dragon to "save" the crew is the final nail for stuckliner
Yeah
I have a feeling that the astronauts would not like to have their pronouns changed to “late”.
I don't understand.. If they are so worried about life's, and returning them home when they both are confident in Starliner, then just let it happen. It will work (fingeres crossed). They all know the risk, and what to do, but the next crew flight is not going to happen anytime soon. And don't get me wrong, I love NASA, but they better get that contingency ready (Dragon). regardless of what the crew says. They are late for Prom, and NASA wont pay for a taxi. They are how many days past due? "C-Section," the return flight, detach it, and make room for X.
Thanks for the video.
As you say, you don't understand. Let the professionals do their jobs.
Yes. It’s Boeing. Need I say more.
That capsule can sure mess up the whole space station!
I believe that Boeing needs to hire space X to rescue the astronauts and scrap the starliner. Boeing is in trouble and needs reorganize at home.
Boeing’s ego is just too big to ask for help.
@@carlosdeleon9547 sir you are right with your reply, but NASA needs to think of the safety of these astronauts and overpower Boeing.
No, Starliner is going to mars just you watch spacex has nothin on the historical knowledge of boeing
Quite an impressive and comprehensive video here….
There is a great article in Smithsonian Air and Space from years ago that sums this up. Elon wanted to get into the space business and every company did not take him seriously and would price simple components for sale at ridiculously high prices. SO, he did what any driven genius does, he went around the big space tech company's and created his own, FAA fought him on quality standards, funny thing, there were no FAA DO standards on the books for space. Now the big boys (Boeing, Lockheed, Northrup) are shating there pants. Elon once said that in order to lead engineers you need to be one yourself. The Saturn V was a great example of this. Elon just followed the model from the 60's and is killing it. O and he has a complete commercial market not relying on GOV bucks.
To quote Han Solo: "I have a bad feeling about this." We're at an inflection point, where the old school NASA contractor system is up against the new. Boeing is old and feeble and overly bureaucratic (not to mention way too comfortable with not having much/any real competition) whereas SpaceX is younger, hungrier, and more flexible. Are we to believe that the corporate culture of profits over safety (re: the 737) has not infected their space division? We can only hope.
D.E.I. at work. It's sadly happening in the FAA with the hiring of air traffic controllers too .
Fuck all to do with DEI. Boeing has been a crap company for decades and it's a simply matter of pure corporate capitalist greed.
It's strange and funny that SpaceX can build 5 Starships, launch about 10 or more Crew Dragons, and who can count how many Cargo Dragons plus 300 or so Falcons in the time Boeing can fix a thruster on their StuckLiner. Holy Cow!
Boeing/nasa should let the crew comeback on a crew dragon. Then bring starliner back remotely. If it works fine and they lose a little face to spaceX. But if the astronauts perish on the starliner on reentry when they didn’t have to. All hell will break lose.
Starliner is a no win situation. If it lands safely and the crew is Ok, well, that's what it is suppose to do. if the crew is not OK the project is over. If Dragon picks them up, Starliner is over.
Starliner should be sent back empty and autonomously. Crew Dragon should be sent up to bring back the astronauts
The will never do that, if the astronauts are saved by the Crew Dragon.
Because: what if it fails upon reentry ? Everybody will go: See! Unsafe at any speed !
NASA needs to always keep SAFETY FIRST.
Maybe SpaceX better plan on deorbiting Starliner along with the ISS.
What is needed is a docking bay Y joint. With one of these attached on the outside of ISS but attached close by to each docking port. Then, if athing like this happens again, the Y joint can be moved into a position between the ISS docking port and the ship blocking the needed port.
I hope Boeing doesn't drop it on my house...I'll be watching.
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As much as I hate to disagree with you on this, I dont think they need to send Dragon to return the astronauts.
Its comforting to know that they could if necessary though. According to Boeing they have a 210 day window to work with, so in that conext there still fine.
I do think this type of goverment backed project has much of a future.
The next era of space travel is here. Space X, Sierra Space and many many other companies are changing space travel for the better. 🙂
Finally. The non-clickbait facts. Thank you.
I think the reluctance to have SpaceX bring the astronauts home has as much to do with money as it does a loss of face.
Boeing should try landing the Starliner uncrewed. It needs another test.
If only NASA didn't have a history of feeling pressure to fly and losing two space shuttles. And if only Boeing hadn't become a company with a compromised safety culture with their passenger planes. It's hard to trust either organization's judgment. I'm sure they mean well, but I'm not convinced their judgment about the safety of returning Starliner with crew aboard. They're prone to taking chances they shouldn't and saying that everything is perfectly safe just before disaster strikes. Good luck to them.
It’s so obvious what SpaceX will do to de-orbit the ISS. They will send Falcon 9 heavy with a modified hard dock Dragon to the ISS with the second stage mostly fueled and still attached. It will use the stations thrusters to reorient into the proper position and then let both Dragon and the second stage do the work to slow it down. At that point all they have to monitor is speed corrections to ensure a steep enough re-entry to ensure total burn up at the right time and location. [Simple]
Yeah👍
Would Spacex suits need to be sent up or could Starliner flight suits be adapted to work with Dragon?
How much oxygen would they have left up there considering the delays?
They are safe inside the ISS. There is an abundance of air, water and food there. Many astronauts have spent far longer visits to the station with no ill effects.
They don't need much extra oxygen. We don't absorb much oxygen in a breath so we are constantly returning it to the air handling systems. They just replace it with the little bit we keep. They can use electricity to split water into oxygen and hydrogen if they have to . Using your water to make oxygen isn't a good long term idea. They recycle all the water and reuse it for drinking and cooking. So the waste disposal systems are designed to return every drop of water possible to the astronauts.
Hope that helps.
Absolutely Dragon to the rescue! It's a relief that Boeing isn't deorbiting the ISS.....AL Scott
Bing Bong Boeing Gone. And remember, boys n girls - if it's Boeing, we're not going!
I accept one very important comment. After reentry, they will not have the service module to evaluate. They really need to evaluate these malfunctions before reentry. I say Boeing needs to suck it up, let Dragon rotate the crew, and maybe even send new engineers to evaluate the Starliner. It can eventually come back unmanned.
Because they do not know what the problem is. Length of stay will not improve any helium leaks.
Bring home starliner autonomously. Crew can hitch a ride.
Yes. If I were on of those astronauts I would be refusing to get back in to that piece of junk. Boeing have made their usual bodge job and someone is going to get hurt😢
They should send dragon because i know the children are stressed. Drop the ego's rescue the crew, fix the problems then send another crew if need be.
Use Dragon to bring them home
Yes on rescue.
I think NASA should send Crew Dragon with a pilot to the ISS for rescue. A pilot would be required since the rescued astronauts are not familiar with Crew Dragon's controls.
@@guypehaim1080 I would think they are cross trained; even if only for contingency.
Good way to bolster Space-X as a rescue and recovery vehicle if they pull this off.
YES
Yes. Boeing should forget rockets. Relearn how to make aircraft first
So, do they get an INSANE amount of per-diem, or what?
Prediction: These tests will intentionally continue long enough for Boeing to announce that "out of an abundance of caution" they are deorbiting the Starliner without crew and putting the stranded crew on a Dragon. I'm betting that SpaceX is already making suits for the two NASA astronauts based on body size data the NASA surely has.
Haven't the 2 astronaut already flew in a dragon already and they already have suits built for them if they gained weight might be the only issue
How are the hinges on the doors?
Spacex just going to pack up the iss on the starship and bring it back to earth for a museum 😂
Space is dangerous and not easily done. Amazing that for a first flight they are learning while still being safe. When they return the knowledge gained will help everyone.
Call India help........
Does anyone believe anything Boeing says about it’s Starliner anymore… 🤷🏻♂️
send space x after our people