The $25,000 Tesla Is MIA | Elon's Plan For The Future
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Breaking down the current state of the $25,000 Tesla, why it may not come, and the competition on the way in that price range.
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The affordable model 3 is now nearly the same price as the expensive luxury model s at first launch
there is a conflict in me, its the investor vs the consumer
@@gummixx6885 agreed
There are 10 years of inflation between the 2 cars
@@Matzes correct but for most of the last 14 years inflation been less than desired 2% a year , and apart from last couple of years solar and battery have been getting cheaper year in year not more expensive due to improvements in technology
@@PabloTBrave you are a fool If you think real inflation has been 2%
Elon started talking about a 25k Tesla in 2018, since then the Dollar has lost 18% of it's value so it would be nearly 30k today.
Even if inflation calms down, it will never have the value of 2018 again.
So no, there will not be a 25k Tesla.
Also Musk has never ever said a truthful thing !
Doesn't seem like there would be an GBP 25,000 Tesla either now.
I don't believe we'll truly see the "model 2" (the 25k Tesla) for quite a long time. With the Cybertruck, Roadster, and Semi on the horizon, and the work being done for Optimus (Tesla bot), FSD, and so on, they seem like they have their hands full. Couple that with supply chain issues as is AND the sheer volume of sales they're swimming in, seems like a long, long wait.
I would love to see it happen though. Even the Model 3 has become increasingly expensive and has priced out a lot of people I know who were on the fence about getting one.
Yes! But he actually has the money to simply build a new Giga factory just for the model 2 and expand his team for that. He needs to scale much more to satisfy demand and realize his visions! Nevertheless in many but not all ways an amazing guy 👍
@@NikWeber. I agree with scaling more but I believe with inflation and supply issues that’s more difficult than it’s ever been currently
I agree with you but Tesla also needs. To
add a bigger sale pattern. I recently learnt that Tesla doesn't have a lot or none dealerships in Africa. Africa is a really rich continent and if Elon wants to reduce the prices or even get some resources maybe for the batteries he should look into Africa.
Tesla bot lol.
Oh, you mean Musk rat's stock manipulation..
@@NikWeber. In the current market you may have the money, but money can’t solve the issue of chips, minerals etc. External supply chain issues can’t be fixed by Elon throwing money at them, at least not little enough money to make it profitable for Tesla.
A $25,000 Tesla with the current rate of Inflation is similar to a $50,000 Tesla by the time it is produced.
No it won’t lol, inflation is going to chill out by end of year. Signs of it slowing down is already apparent
@@mcapone1980 yeah? Like this months 30 year high inflation rate?
@@billseron2391 how do you figure 30 months? More like since January or so. I refinanced my mortgage last yr at historically low rates and closed end of 2021.
@@billseron2391 You do know that inflation indicators are backward-looking?
@@raleedy if you want to play that game PPI is the higher than its been which is a forward looking indicator. So stop being a smart***
I've been waiting for this EV. It will make the biggest difference to the environment.
The ‘$25,000’ will be the robotaxi vehicle. Available via subscription service only.
I agree. Elon have NEVER promise Tesla will sell the 25K to costumers.
25K$ car = Robotaxi 🤖🚕
when a toyota corolla can cost more than $25k, the $25k reality for a small car is still far away. I guess tesla can sell a golf cart with airbags for $25k. at $25k, you're not getting much car nowadays ICE or EV
Love your videos
He charges almost 15k for the ability to not use FSD. How would he agree to sell an entire self driving car for 25k?
The first attractive $25k EV will be from BYD.
A 25k vehicle still has to be compelling. Chevy proved with the Bolt that a cheap EV will not automatically get adopted.
Elon would never produce a compact, that doesnt have the speed, quality and range, than the Model 3 Standard. The main goal in the plan is after all, producing as many BEVs as possible, without losing money. That means making models like Golf or Corolla, at 20-25k$. Earning more money are not a topic, that can influence the worlds richest mans visions anymore. 20 million Europeans are waiting for a car that fits the narrow old roman roads.
@@perlaursen1885 please take your tongue out of Elon's ass bud!
Wrong choice of evS, at least till now, no LEAFs on fire yet or PRIUS… & the lists go on, u need no reminders
The goal is not money. It's about owning the future even if it costs to lose money. Companies don't care about money, they'll always have it. Big companies like this are here for conversation peice, like how I can own a planet. Or own all electric city. C'mon. Tesla can raise endless money, their trying to now master working on the next big thing.
@@Karibbean If we're not careful they'll own an unsustainable husk of a planet, incapable of supporting life
Munro: cheap cars are not profitable
Of all the channels covering Tesla, I think yours is the cleanest! I would like to contribute, especially after you brought out the 4K mode.
Yeah and it's a shame. I'm here patiently waiting for EV prices to drop (by that I mean EVs for normal looking/performing vehicles, not those ugly Chevy bolts). Looks like 2024 would be the year where prices for EVs begin to normalize...
I'm anticipating a $25,000 trip to the grocery store with things going the way the way they are.
A stripped down rear drive model 3 featuring cast front and rear sub-frames with a structural battery pack could be your $30,000 Tesla.
I’m excited to see all the EV conversions😎
can you get different tires for model Y that will drive on gravel roads with some pot holes ?
Cant wait to see longer lines at public ev chargers😂
@@normie2716 no duh but what are you gonna do when your far away. I guess you'll have to wait lol.
Ryan, do you know how can I get lfp battery tesla model 3. It doesn’t say on their website when you order it. Thanks!
We're never going to see a 25 k Tesla. Model 3 prices have been increasing year after year after year (not just because of inflation). These increases are entirely intentional and calculated to maximize business profits, not to please consumers
Not a bad thing for tesla owners. My car value just keeps going up! My car gained $7k in value just this past 3 months
Great video Ryan. Tesla has no interest in making a $25K car, why would you when you sell every model you make at full price. Its makes no corporate sense to do so.
There's clearly room in the market for both a dedicated robotaxi and a more affordable small EV. As for eliminating the steering wheel and pedals, it's a good long term goal, but FSD needs to prove itself first. Eventually, the car's cheapest configuration could be without driver controls, and for owners who do want them, they'd cost extra.
What about the new Kie e-Niro, I don't know if will be available en the US, but in my location is a very good option (I'm from Barcelona, Catalonia)
The thing is they can't meet demand even with more expensive models. Once that demand has been met, then the lower priced models will come. I think this will be soon, by 2024.
Is less than 250 miles of range on a 25k car really that bad though? I think many people would buy that car if it got say 180-200 miles of range if it suits their needs.
I don't drive 100 miles per day.
If I want to do a road trip I rent a minivan or big SUV .
@@CHMichael exactly. I think many people would be happy to spend 25k on a smaller battery Tesla to suit every day errands.
Yes our small hatches on the drive are used for holidays and road trips. I would love a smaller Tesla but it would still have to be able to do 250 miles real world for it to work for me, and I mean me. In saying that the EV market is now opening up and plenty great options. I think if they do that Retro Renault 5 EV it’s got my money over ever owning a Tesla.
Absolutely agree. It's Elon's insistence on keeping the mileage per charge above 250 that will prevent Tesla from being the first to come out with a really good, affordable EV.
My guess is that someone like KIA will beat them to the punch.
Based on the things Tesla is creating in the next 1-3 years I’d say they’ll be able to create an affordable EV with better performance than some of the current offerings
Hey Ryan, what is the news of that episode )?
Any word on your new Model Y?
Would instantly order a Golf sized Tesla Hatchback. Even at 30k-35k€ (maybe even at 40k). They just need to build it
Same
Sounds like to me Tesla wants to become a autonomous Uber lol 😂 💵🤔
While we can wait and see with the ultimum battery pans out (include FSD) the Ultimum shows massive promise with configurable battery packs, no fast charging degradation, and if they can replace bad batteries at the cell level as opposed to whole packs, that is huge
We need the model 2 NOW🙏🙏
The hatchback has my name on it!
Hi Ryan, if an EV lasts twice as long as an ICE car for the same price, isn't it REALLY 1/2 the cost? (Not even factoring in fuel and maintenance? What am I missing?
In addition to that, it costs 1/2 to 1/3 the price to fuel up, plus the lack of maintenance, and you’ve got a bargain on wheels!
can you please make a video about how much of a difference will have been made once all cars have been electric for 100 years?
The Tesla model 3 was unveiled in April 2016. Prices mentioned at that time can’t be expected to be held 6 years later. Average 6% annual inflation for 6 years on 35 grand would bring us fairly to todays price so the price is still more or less effectively 35 grand when adjusted for inflation. The 25 grand car first mentioned about 3 years ago with a higher average inflation rate since then would now be over 30 grand.
Do a further stripped down version of Model 3. 220 mile range, LFP batteries, metal instead of glass roof, cloth seats.
Reasonable suggestion. Surprised there’s not more discussion about this.
how can elon say that their cars need to be more affordable when they have a MASSIVE profit margin on their cars?? they could choose to lower prices but they are chasing higher revenue right now.
Yes so they can build more factories increase production and eventually bring their prices down! Their current business model is going to put the most amount of EV’s on the road in the shortest amount of time which is their Primary Goal. If Tesla built and sold a $25K car in this economic environment they would go bankrupt and be out of business.
Its a for profit company. They work for shareholders and profit not to give a break to the average person.
Do you think that they are just stockpiling bundles of cash in some vault somewhere? Tesla, and almost every successful company, reinvests profits into building the business. You cannot massively scale a car company by reducing profits. If demand is still outpacing production they don't need to do anything different to experience the massive growth they've seen over the last 5 years.
Someone has never heard of supply and demand. Order a Tesla today will take months to ship. If all their cars were "affordable" you wouldn't get shipped to you for years
Demand /supply = price!!!
If Tesla lower price NOW, TODAY Tesla-costumers have to wait 10 years for a New Tesla car. (Waiting-list will explode💥)
Will that be fair??? Would YOU like to wait 5-10 years for a New car???
When Tesla have ramp up car production, Tesla will lower price!
With a recession coming soon, Elon seeing customers are willing to pay more for less, and high demand...there is no business need for a cheaper model car.
His customers won’t notice any of the recession…🤑
12:31...what are they smoking? Hahaha...can I have that too? ;)
The Chevy Bolt EV and EUV come in under 30k. Those are a steal at that price.
No dealership is selling them for that.
@@davidbeppler3032 yes, unless you’re buying direct from Tesla, Polestar, Fisker, Lucid, Rivian, etc.. sadly strealerships ruin any good deal to be had from legacy automakers, or at least until they make changes/spin off an EV division (like what Volvo did with Polestar or what Ford proposes to do. I haven’t bought a car from a dealership since 2007.. and don’t plan on doing so any time soon, especially after buying EV’s since 2014.
Tesla Model 3 is currently only $25k after you subtract the dealer markup!
wut
@@valentin7436 right?! David has no clue.
Or he’s trollin.
You never mention the EV6 or Kia... they have 2 very good EVs
Personally I would chose a car with less mileage if it was made for cheaper. Really don’t feel like putting $40k plus down for an vehicle and I drive mostly in the city so don’t need larger range. I was personally holding out how for a Mini Cooper refresh next year with 200 mile range (but that looks to be delayed until 2024)as I think that is the sweet spot for most drivers. I also think the minimalist design of the Tesla is a little too aggressive for my liking but I have never driven in one so that is just from watching other videos.
Ordered my Mod Y long range May 10 2022 Came In July 21 2022, Made in Texas. That's Just over 2 months they gave me a Delivery of Mar 2023 witch would have been 10 Months. So whats up. I Do not believe that its going to take a year if you order today. I live in Florida. On the way to the Dealer I saw 3 semi trucks loaded with mod Ys going south on I-95. I think we are being told a story about Delivery times.
Can GM build a BEV at massive scale? At the low price they claim? That is durable, reliable, and where the battery isn't dangerous?
Given GM's history / reputation, I'll believe it when I see it.
Model 3 ownerships is probably still less Per mile , (or per year or per decade) than an 25k car if you consider the cost of fuel and maintenance , and that goes way up after 100k -150k miles on an ICE car , not so much for an EV that could last more than 500k
Anyone recently have their model 3 delivered? Curious how the actual time frame compared to the estimated time frame you were given when you first placed the order.
Depends what trim, I ordered RWD 11/1/2021 and still waiting. LR and P were prioritized for a while but finally other people are getting RWD deliveries
@@andrew5168 yeah guess I should specify LR since that’s the one I ordered roughly just 3 weeks ago. Delivery estimate has already been pushed back once on mine. But still curious about the other trims as well.
I ordered a M3P in Germany in February delivery date May.
Car still not here and App now says Nov 2022 - Jan 2023.
so yeah that was lie 😂
@@T1noxx that’s rough. Guess I better prepare for a long wait lol
@@MikeOxlittel Red M3P ordered April 18th took delivery June 13th. The app had projected as far out as September at one point.
Looking at the title, I know I'm not interested in watching it but leave you a comment. The way I see it, Tesla could not produce enough batteries to meet their needs so what do they do? They've prolly been taking 5~10% batteries from each and every model just so they can make more cars to ease the demand. This explains why EVERY model crosses the board all losing the range while prices are going up. So, let's forget 25, 35g teslas, ain't gonna happen, bro!
Someone make a simple but not crappy $30k ev please! I'm in on Aptera 💥⚡👍
Yeah! Model 3 Single motors was supposed to be below 35K...........lol
My Aunt asked about buying the Chevy bolt as I am the family car guy. I told her it was a good car but not to park it in her garage as knowing GM it might burn down her house. Looks like I was right! She bought the more expensive model 3.
Nice shirt 😎
Affordability is the key to greater adoption. A savings in fuel and maintenance doesn’t matter if a person can’t afford a payment.
Tesla should invest in Aptera, and let them make the 25k Tesla. Maybe come up with a mixed name for the car. Afterall the base Aptera is in the 25k range already and they need funds.
Model A
Aptera already is wants to use the Tesla charge port. Maybe Model AT. All Tesla would have to do is use the funds they were going to use to buy Twitter, and invest in Aptera instead.
You know if I couldn't keep up with my demand already I wouldn't be coming out with a even cheaper model either.
With the Texas and Berlin factories ramping up, it won't be long before the demand for models Y and 3 is fulfilled. The number of people who can afford to pay $60,000+ for a vehicle is not inexhaustible, and I predict that by late 2023, you'll be able to order a model 3 or Y and get it within a week.
Tesla would be wise to have the $25,000 model (or whatever the more affordable price point turns out to be) ready for production when the day comes that demand for their more expensive models has plateaued.
$25,000 Tesla is like fusion energy... it will always be only 20 years away
It’s interesting that Tesla considers the Model S to be affordable. I bought a Model S 85 in 2013 and it wasn’t affordable.
He sets ambitious goals, do you all realize that he single handedly proved that EVs are not only feasible, but superior? Consider this was a pipe dream just 10 years ago, and how much the world has changed since then! 10 YEARS!!!!!! Are you all recommending that he play it safe, or would you prefer ambitious goals that can further change our planet? I prefer somebody that sets ambitious goals that sometimes come up short, otherwise nothing would ever change.
I wouldn't sell the Bolt EV and EUV short. If Chevy continues to offer these vehicles at such discounts, they will continue to be in high demand. I drive a Model 3 and my wife drives a Bolt EUV (with the new battery), I can attest that the Bolt is a great and affordable vehicle.
We really need a new car, and last night my wife went on a rant about gas prices, the climate crisis, corporate greed, and so on, and she definitely wants an EV, which was music to my ears because I've wanted a Model Y ever since it came out - but there's no way we're getting a Tesla now. They're just way too expensive. And the thing is, I don't know if we could afford any EV now, considering the obscene markups dealers are tacking on. We might just have to settle for another ICE, and it really depresses me.
Why not a hybrid?
Then why did you vote for Biden.
We could be oil-independent and we easily have the infrastructure to avoid the fuel crisis until we can get EVs mass produced. Biden made gas prices what they are by keeping us artificially dependent on foreign oil.
Corporations will get their profits regardless. Biden raises corporate taxes, they pass ALL of it onto us. They don't just "absorb" those increased costs.
Dealer markups are similar. Dealer sells 200 cars/month and makes 250k profit to pay rent and employees and bills. Dealer now only sells 100 cars due to supply constraint and has higher bills due to current environment. Now has to make 275k on those 100 cars to cover bills. Can't blame them for trying to keep the lights on.
Fix your car. Wait it out a year or so longer. It is what it is.
My dog has been fully autonomous since he learned how to raid the trash. That doesn't mean he's ever been allowed to drive my car. But I'm sure he will be, Real Soon Now.
I think the decision to make the cybertruck instead the small model2 is a big mistake of Tesla!
Actually, I don’t understand how the autonomous vehicle will reduce the cost of transport. Solving the automation does not solve the cost of manufacturing, I.E material cost, battery cost, factory expenses, overheads per car produced etc. autonomy is just the software that drives the the car through the hardware that is already in built in the car. Unless he is talking about for riders not for owners and mass transport systems.
I would prefer to see them just do spartan versions of the Y and 3 for cheaper prices. Less range maybe 220-250. Take away the heated seats/steering wheel. 0-60 in 6 seconds. Take away autopilot. Maybe a step down audio system? Then if they price it 30-40k should still be a winner.
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Maybe but I don’t think it will be what people think. If you look at Apple as an example their SE iPhones are old revamped models and are wildly successful. I suspect Tesla will go the same way - they will introduce new 3/Y type models with more advance batteries/range/performance and then relaunch the older models at a lower price later. My estimate is this won’t be for at least 5 years. In the meantime there will undoubtedly be cheaper models from China but these will be inferior and there will be unbelievable demand for a $25,000 (at todays prices) 3/Y as it will be a true Tesla. I think the Robotaxi will be a completely different line.
I predict they will produce the CYBERTRUCK next year 2023, I predictt his will lead to the ability to bring down the cost and price of dual motor Model 3 in 2024 to 42K.
Just make a stainless steel microvan (without fsd computer and camera) and call it a day....
A 25k would be great, I would only buy it if it doesn’t look like a bubble and dumb
I don't get the obsession with automation. I understand how full self-driving is cool, but I couldn't give a good goddamn about a robo taxi. ...and with multiple people in it like the mock up, it's just a gussied up bus. ...and there are countless reasons why someone wouldn't use a bus.
What the point for Tesla to invest in potentially less profitable product if their current ones are flying off the shelves.
It be a Taxi
If the Kia Niro, Nissan Leaf and Hyundai Ioniq 5 aren't even close to $25k, Elon Musk is blowing smoke once again just like when he said the Model 3 would be 35k when it was released. The announcement of the Model 2, an EV for the masses, seemed like the perfect answer to the EV's previously mentioned until Musk announced that it wasn't happening.
No to $25 Tesla - maybe in 5 years.
I thought that Tesla would use LFP batteries to achieve affordable cars.
Even If you buy a 30,000 dollar vehicle by the time I’m done paying the car the total cost of the owning the car is 50,000 or even more especially with gas prices right now a Tesla doesn’t sound to bad of a investment in the long run
I feel most of the vidz have the content repeating after every other week and no new content for consumers not sure may be because tesla has serious challenges in 4680 ramp up
The 25k Tesla is and will be for the foreseeable future a used Model 3
I would love if battery companies decided to focus on making a new type of battery, not using the same materials just to make a better battery.
They are doing their best with the current technology. Eventually we will see new materials and improved performances but not in the near future.
Talking about the 25k model in conjunction with FSD is ridiculous. They’re two separate things. Even with FSD I want to be able to drive my car and steer sometimes. Plus, FSD is 10+ yrs away.
I want a EV but man are they a insane investment. ICE cars can last 20 years and any Tesla become a parts car if the battery fails out of the 8 warranty.
any company thats going to try and surpass tesla in making ev's is going to have to ramp production even more so than tesla is, gm may make more vehicles than tesla did in 2021 in 2025, but building to scale is hard, more competition is always a good thing however.
I understand tesla's/Elon's approach to scaling up and the feasibility of $25k ev. Tesla got a little caught off guard when companies like gm intentionally tried to supply constrain tesla early on (and somewhat continues), but tesla weathered that and learned a lot during the model 3 ramp. Good job tesla!!! One demographic I don't see being considered in all of this is college students. They are far more aware of the benefits of evs and are the much of the backbone of future car purchases. The biggest concern for my kids while away at school was the trips home and back. I would have felt much better if they had been in a tesla, hands down! My oldest and youngest developed brand loyalty based on their college cars. That is changing because we bought teslas; my oldest has now purchased a model 3 and loves it, and my youngest still loves her car but mostly only drives one of the teslas because of gas prices (she emotionally attaches and resists changing like many of us).
A $25k tesla (or cheaper) would be a godsend to many, many parents and young adults. A 300+ range (to minimize stops to enable avoiding more secluded tesla chargers when driving the highway at night), all wheel drive for the elements, ample trunk space and a solid autopilot would have saved some gray hairs and possibly a few of my lost life years from worrying.
My kids are grown and either joining or immersed in the workforce now. But I remember so clearly and vividly those trips to and from school, staying up all night, waiting on a call anytime they stopped for gas, a bathroom break, food, etc., or just to talk to them while they drove to make sure they didn't get sleepy.
I don't believe the current economy is conducive to a $25k tesla. But as we say, that too shall pass.
There will NEVER be a$25,000 Tesla! Forget it. Autonomy is their goal and that is very expensive R&D that has to be recouped.
Looks like the electric Ford Fiesta
What's the point of a $25K vehicle if all your $40K vehicles are in backorder? As long as batteries are the limiting factor, it would be a pretty silly decision to produce new vehicles with lower margins.
$25k not worth it! Once they have that everyone will buy and those ev charging will be over rated and no point having ev at that point! Also it will cause huge backup on orders. Yes future is good to have affordable ev car.
"Electric vehicles are expensive"... Really? The Chevy Bolt is one of the cheapest cars available considering the average new car price is how $48,000. I think how that should read is "The electric vehicle you want is expensive". 😉
But it’s not remotely compelling - it’s from GM, so it wouldn’t be.
if tesla could be develop a model under $25k for standard and $29,995 for long range model with both having 0-60 under 5 seconds
they would beat legacy automakers so hard they would be begging for mercy
Nah, as a model 3 owner, I wouldn’t want that as that would be a slap in my face to my $62k car. A $25k tesla should be seen as a more affordable, compact sedan with emphasis on energy efficiency- rather than performance. If you’re buying an extremely affordable car, you’re only goal is to get from point a to point b. If you want that more luxury features then you’d upgrade to an M3
the model 2 - if you will… would be very basic yet still have all the technology that Tesla is known for. It’s gonna be hard tho since $25k is a very competitive region where I’m sure Honda when they go fully electric is gonna be a tough competitor for tesla
I'm hoping that the other auto makers announce a cheap ev so then Tesla answers that with their cheap ev.
We won't see a $25K Tesla unless and until A) inflation cools down, B) Tesla's sales cool down, and C) they start facing some real competition from another auto maker. As it currently is, they are selling cars faster than they can produce them and selling them at (frankly) insanely high prices. So it makes no sense to devote production and design resources into a car that will be a huge seller, but at a lower margin while their higher margin cars are flying off the lot.
I'd love to be wrong, and maybe the combination of fully-ramped-up factories, full autonomy solved, and supply chain issues sorted would make such a low-price car viable. But that is a lot of things that have to go right.
And where do they suggest that we charge this enormous market dominating fleet of GM electric vehicles and all the ones from legacy auto makers? We still don’t have any adequate truly nationwide network of DC fast charging like Tesla has for their vehicles. Until they do I have no interest in them.
When a $35k model rose up to $65k today, what guarantee us that a $25k model will hold at starting price in the years.
The used Teslas will eventually be the lower cost cars. I've owned older trucks, Jeeps, and Corvettes, once owner's fall in love vehicles they are not scrapped! It's amazing what lovers do to keep their vehicle up. Is that the definition of sustainable? The model 3 and Y have a million miles motor/differentials! My S has an aluminum body...
Placing my chit on robotaxi for Tesla.
Untill they make a car for sale around 19,995 with 300 miles of range ev,s will never truely be adopted
2:32.... you call $40,000 "affordable" for a small basic sedan? Hell no.
Do it before BYD beats you to it.