A thru hiker may FEEL entitled to things but that does not necessarily mean they are. That guy smelling like shampoo who worked all week too get out for what little time he / she can afford is entitled to the same opportunities on trail as younger folks who don't have families and can take the time away more easily or simply people in different circumstances who can be more enthusiastic about hiking.
Exactly! The snobbery of people that call themselves "thru hikers" is sometimes nauseating. I've been working for over 20 years raising a family and waiting to retire so I can thru-hike in a few years. In the meantime, I guess I'm not really a hiker? I'm sorry I don't smell as bad as you do! But I wouldn't trade my life or my family for anything.
Playing devil's advocate a little here, but I think it's a two-way thing, and definitely circumstantial. It's understandable how a thru-hiker can be put-out and get "entitled" feelings in certain situations, if they've been hiking for longer or further. But on the flip side, it's easy for a weekend warrior to have their feelings slip into the "entitled" zone too; if it's your one day/ night out that year that you've been looking forward to for months, it's very easy to focus on your own experience and priorities over someone who's lucky to be out for a few months at a time. And there's nothing wrong with having those feelings either way, especially in the heat of the moment. The important thing is to be aware if it, acknowledge it, and try to keep it in check. At the end of the day, the important thing is that everyone is out there for the same core reason, so mutual respect is key. Thanks Kyle and Taylor for discussing this point. It's something we'll all have been guilty of in one way or another at some point. Acknowledging it and being willing to discuss it shows growth and is something we can all learn from. Thanks for another great episode!
I am glad you both are reflecting on mistakes, myths, admitting what a thru hike might do to you mentally, not necessarily bring out the best in yourself. How refreshing. This “sense of entitlement” applies to so much in life for all. Good message to be considerate of others, more often, just day to day.
One of the worst parts of the AT was the “sickness” that seems to take hold where people begin to rush and try to outdo one another for miles… it’s becomes an obsession and it does serve to keep people apart rather than bring them together.
Thanks for the honesty and the eye opener, I retired in September 2023, I will be going from Georgia to Harper's ferry in spring of 2025, I was going to do the entire trip but decided to take it slow and enjoy the journey, you did open my eyes to encourage the thru hikers.
Like, not gonna lie, like, you know? Taylor and Kyle are competing with each other to see who can say “like” more often. Kyle says “not gonna lie” like he’s Rain Man without his medication. Not gonna lie, I like, lost, like, a couple brain cells - not gonna lie - watching just 10 min of this video. Like, you know? Reminds me of this time I was stuck walking behind some guy on his phone and he kept telling the other guy, “ya know what I’m sayin’?” Not gonna lie. And you know who Kyle’s favorite President is? That’s right… George Washington. Why? Because his motto was: “not gonna lie”. Except for that one time about the cherry tree. Like, you know?
Waynesboro and Hanover had some of the best trail angels. Waynesboro had a list at the shelter just before Rock Gap NOBO for free rides into town. Hanover had a list of free shuttles and places to stay at local homes. Pretty amazing!
Those are Army Rangers in training in the Georgia section of the AT. It actually disgusts me that privileged through hikers are so disrespectful. I’m disgusted by entitled and privileged people in general. Not all through hikers are like that, some are grateful to be there. But guys, you aren’t special, I’m sorry you really aren’t. The journey is certainly hard but people are going through hard journeys everywhere, in many areas in life, often not by choice.
Just sharing my thoughts and how I attempt to combat my own judgements. You don’t know the other person’s story or what they are going through. Being kind is free.
Different strokes for different folks. Wether a day hike or a thru hike, one friend wants to run, another likes to take everything in. Different personalities. Good to know who you're hiking with for sure.
I think what you were trying to say about "trail angels" is that a person who is doing something with a motive outside " the goodness of his heart" should not get the designation of "trail angel." I met a great guy when I needed a ride to a trailhead. He gave me some great advice and even took me to a place to stash my backpack so I could slackpack back to that place. He even maintained parts of the AT. However, transporting me to the trailhead was a business arrangement, so he's not a trail angel at that moment. At some other tine, he could drop off water anonymously, which would make him a trail angel in that capacity but not as a shuttle driver. The designation should be reserved for someone doing something to support hikers without monetary reward. Fresh Ground certainly deserves the designation.
I literally just got so cranky on my last hiking trip about the competitive camping at 4pm. I had done over 12 miles and was dealing with an injury. I couldn't pass up these half occupied sites like others and I was annoyed bc I felt like I worked harder but these chill mfs were still looking down on me for just setting up on their turf. I'm sure maybe they didn't mind but I can see how the entitlement goes both ways. Just tromping into camp might've come across as entitled, I didn't ask if they mind. But expecting to have a campsite all to yourself by 4pm came off as entitled to me as well. We're human, we're all jerks
Taylor, I watched all your videos from your first through hike and was a little put off by your seemingly haughty attitude so thanks for talking about where it might have come from.
Kyle! I had never heard of the trail angel title controversy you talked about, but today, I heard Hiking Dancer explain the same thing on her Day 18 PCT video. I’ve hiked only the AT, so it truly must be a PCT issue. Interesting.
I’ve never understood why people dont just make up a cool story and use whatever name they want to be called. No one would ever know its made up. Seems better than having to endlessly repeat a story about how a stranger gave your trail name. It wouldnt need to be an outlandish story just something mundane that described your personality, behavior or quirks along with a name that actually meant something. The whole bestowing a trail name on someone is really quite bizarre in the first place.
Enjoying this episode as my husband and I follow both of you :) When thru hikers we follow get free stuff, we say they are “getting their grift on.” Honestly, I would love to meet our favorite thru hikers to spot them a dinner and hear the stories first hand, but I would feel like a total loser if they were laughing at it later. Plus it could feel a little creepy for the hiker to have these too old farts show up as fans. I imagine it’s truly a thing that people feel like they know you since they see you all the time on TH-cam and social media, and in some cases it could actually turn threatening/dangerous. Anyway, enjoy following you both! Best wishes
All of the experiences I Suck at Hiking posted about followers helping him & his dog Leo out he's much appreciated & have had nothing to great things to say about them.
I haven't experienced any situation where a thru hiker, section hiker or day hiker didn't get along. I've not experienced the "entitlement" attitude behaviors from thru hikers, I'm hoping it's only a few that exhibit those behaviors.
theres plenty of people on the AT that are "trail angels" but are actually a business. you're probably more likely to encounter them if you're section hiking. my related controversial opinion- the real "trail angels" who follow the bubble up the trail doing things to "help" (as if its a charitable cause or something) thru hikers aren't "trail angels", they're groupies.
I live in Appalachia, by the Smoky Mountains in Tennessee. I don't know why, but I've gotten so over all the "supernatural" Appalachia tropes. Especially on TikTok, the people talking about "what not to do in Appalachia". It's all BS. It's fun to listen to, and I've put a lot of time into listening to them, but it's gotten so big that it's morphing into something Appalachia and our folk lore never was...
Competitive is fine but don’t shame people. Everyone is just doing their best and you don’t know the reasons they are doing it, what mental state they are in etc. I think fine to be competitive but you have to be compassionate. Like, if you can’t say something positive, maybe just zip it because like that guy that made a comment that now lives in your guests head forever, you just don’t know the impact a few simple words or your attitude can have on someone.
Who the HELL are you to say that your subscribers “don’t care about the Bruins”!?? Lol. Ugh… watching this episode, as a diehard B’s fan, just brought back feelings I didn’t think I’d be revisiting in July. GD Panthers man. They got us 2 years straight. Glad you were able to watch game 6 at least. I was deep in Havasupai backpacking at the time, with zero chance of WiFi. It was brutal not knowing
48:34 honestly, i think its good for everyone to hear these things! I could 100% see myself being out for a section hike and just thinking about my own experience. But i wouldnt want someone whos been hiking even longer to end up sleeping on a slant, everyone needs good sleep!
I love Taylor, Kyle not so much. Ha. Thru hikers are the worst, pretty much a freak show on the AT. I have hiked much of the AT in NH and avoid thru hikers like I would crazy homeless people in major cities. Most over rated activity in the outdoors. Like a bunch of smelly lemmings following each other going from town to town resupply, over running trail shelters and campsites.
I 100% agree with ‘sending it’ being just as fulfilling, personally, as ‘stopping to smell the roses.’ I love hiking, that’s the part that I love! I don’t understand hating on others for their pace one way or another. That’s what hike your hike means. I got told once that the pace I’m training to hit would be a ‘death march’ and I just don’t get that at all lol.
I am generally a faster hiker and I agree that you don’t need to stop and smell the roses. I section hiked Georgia and blue blazed most of the “scenic” views.. not really worth it in my opinion!
You and Taylor have both been pumping LMNT for a long time. It has been exposed as lying about their maltodextrin content and falsely advertising their product doesn’t contain “dodgy” ingredients. Will you and Taylor continue to support this shady and dishonest company? Or will you do the right thing and cut ties with them and take down all content that advertises their junk? Maybe do a show on this scandal and gather other hiking TH-camrs who have regularly pimped LMNT.
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A thru hiker may FEEL entitled to things but that does not necessarily mean they are. That guy smelling like shampoo who worked all week too get out for what little time he / she can afford is entitled to the same opportunities on trail as younger folks who don't have families and can take the time away more easily or simply people in different circumstances who can be more enthusiastic about hiking.
Exactly! The snobbery of people that call themselves "thru hikers" is sometimes nauseating. I've been working for over 20 years raising a family and waiting to retire so I can thru-hike in a few years. In the meantime, I guess I'm not really a hiker? I'm sorry I don't smell as bad as you do! But I wouldn't trade my life or my family for anything.
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WELL SAID!!
Playing devil's advocate a little here, but I think it's a two-way thing, and definitely circumstantial. It's understandable how a thru-hiker can be put-out and get "entitled" feelings in certain situations, if they've been hiking for longer or further. But on the flip side, it's easy for a weekend warrior to have their feelings slip into the "entitled" zone too; if it's your one day/ night out that year that you've been looking forward to for months, it's very easy to focus on your own experience and priorities over someone who's lucky to be out for a few months at a time.
And there's nothing wrong with having those feelings either way, especially in the heat of the moment. The important thing is to be aware if it, acknowledge it, and try to keep it in check.
At the end of the day, the important thing is that everyone is out there for the same core reason, so mutual respect is key.
Thanks Kyle and Taylor for discussing this point. It's something we'll all have been guilty of in one way or another at some point. Acknowledging it and being willing to discuss it shows growth and is something we can all learn from.
Thanks for another great episode!
We thru-hiked last year and I completely agree with your sentiments.
I am glad you both are reflecting on mistakes, myths, admitting what a thru hike might do to you mentally, not necessarily bring out the best in yourself. How refreshing. This “sense of entitlement” applies to so much in life for all. Good message to be considerate of others, more often, just day to day.
One of the worst parts of the AT was the “sickness” that seems to take hold where people begin to rush and try to outdo one another for miles… it’s becomes an obsession and it does serve to keep people apart rather than bring them together.
True. I like to push myself, but it becomes ugly when we compete with others.
Thanks for the honesty and the eye opener, I retired in September 2023, I will be going from Georgia to Harper's ferry in spring of 2025, I was going to do the entire trip but decided to take it slow and enjoy the journey, you did open my eyes to encourage the thru hikers.
Got a new drinking game Every time Kyle says I'm not gonna lie slam a beer
Like, not gonna lie, like, you know? Taylor and Kyle are competing with each other to see who can say “like” more often. Kyle says “not gonna lie” like he’s Rain Man without his medication. Not gonna lie, I like, lost, like, a couple brain cells - not gonna lie - watching just 10 min of this video. Like, you know? Reminds me of this time I was stuck walking behind some guy on his phone and he kept telling the other guy, “ya know what I’m sayin’?” Not gonna lie. And you know who Kyle’s favorite President is? That’s right… George Washington. Why? Because his motto was: “not gonna lie”. Except for that one time about the cherry tree. Like, you know?
@@RC-qf3mp 🤣😅😂
@@RC-qf3mp tried to Play the drinking game with shots ... got far too trashed.. Stick to beer or water to be safe ..you don't want to die
@@UncleGeorgeTV Not gonna lie, didn’t even try it. Like, you know, not gonna lie. 🤣
Not gonna lie...I'm a bit more than buzzed.
Waynesboro and Hanover had some of the best trail angels. Waynesboro had a list at the shelter just before Rock Gap NOBO for free rides into town. Hanover had a list of free shuttles and places to stay at local homes. Pretty amazing!
Those are Army Rangers in training in the Georgia section of the AT. It actually disgusts me that privileged through hikers are so disrespectful.
I’m disgusted by entitled and privileged people in general. Not all through hikers are like that, some are grateful to be there. But guys, you aren’t special, I’m sorry you really aren’t. The journey is certainly hard but people are going through hard journeys everywhere, in many areas in life, often not by choice.
Hiking in the front country, basically always a half day away from McDonald’s is hardly impressive.
I'm not gonna lie I was planning on lying but I changed my mind
Just sharing my thoughts and how I attempt to combat my own judgements. You don’t know the other person’s story or what they are going through. Being kind is free.
The unthinkable......a no phone challenge. Hiking like the ancients 30 years ago.
Different strokes for different folks. Wether a day hike or a thru hike, one friend wants to run, another likes to take everything in.
Different personalities.
Good to know who you're hiking with for sure.
I hike with my kids while listening to trail tales. Hiking backpacks, solly wraps, and jogging strollers. Congrats and welcome to motherhood, Taylor
taylor thanks for meeting my taylor at trail days he was impressed tell mom passin thru says hi be well be blessed
I think what you were trying to say about "trail angels" is that a person who is doing something with a motive outside " the goodness of his heart" should not get the designation of "trail angel." I met a great guy when I needed a ride to a trailhead. He gave me some great advice and even took me to a place to stash my backpack so I could slackpack back to that place. He even maintained parts of the AT. However, transporting me to the trailhead was a business arrangement, so he's not a trail angel at that moment. At some other tine, he could drop off water anonymously, which would make him a trail angel in that capacity but not as a shuttle driver. The designation should be reserved for someone doing something to support hikers without monetary reward. Fresh Ground certainly deserves the designation.
campsites are first come first served. period.
Those soldiers in GA are Army Rangers training. My nephew is an instructor there.
Gosh can we go back to the 70's please...
Kyle you have an excellent channel. Thanks.
I literally just got so cranky on my last hiking trip about the competitive camping at 4pm. I had done over 12 miles and was dealing with an injury. I couldn't pass up these half occupied sites like others and I was annoyed bc I felt like I worked harder but these chill mfs were still looking down on me for just setting up on their turf. I'm sure maybe they didn't mind but I can see how the entitlement goes both ways. Just tromping into camp might've come across as entitled, I didn't ask if they mind. But expecting to have a campsite all to yourself by 4pm came off as entitled to me as well. We're human, we're all jerks
That hoodie looks awesome.
Fun convo as well btw
Taylor, I watched all your videos from your first through hike and was a little put off by your seemingly haughty attitude so thanks for talking about where it might have come from.
I just realized i wear gooder sunglasses, darn tough socks and drink LMNT all bc of Taylah. Well played ma’am!
Bruins fan here. Watching this days after seeing that football is starting...which means hockey starts soon!
Kyle Hates Lying
Kyle! I had never heard of the trail angel title controversy you talked about, but today, I heard Hiking Dancer explain the same thing on her Day 18 PCT video. I’ve hiked only the AT, so it truly must be a PCT issue. Interesting.
I have done thru hikes since 2015, trans oklahoma, ouachita trail, katy trail and ice age trail sections... I still do not have a trail name...😂
Your trail name is No-Name.
@@pheona1164 😂😂😂 thank you!
@@adventuringacrossamerica3552 😆
Grew up in north Georgia, a mile from a Mt Moriah Rd, what a coincidence 😂
I’ve never understood why people dont just make up a cool story and use whatever name they want to be called. No one would ever know its made up. Seems better than having to endlessly repeat a story about how a stranger gave your trail name.
It wouldnt need to be an outlandish story just something mundane that described your personality, behavior or quirks along with a name that actually meant something.
The whole bestowing a trail name on someone is really quite bizarre in the first place.
I know right. I mean traditions are stupid to begin with.
Id make a game of it and make up a new story every time someone asked lmao
Enjoying this episode as my husband and I follow both of you :) When thru hikers we follow get free stuff, we say they are “getting their grift on.” Honestly, I would love to meet our favorite thru hikers to spot them a dinner and hear the stories first hand, but I would feel like a total loser if they were laughing at it later. Plus it could feel a little creepy for the hiker to have these too old farts show up as fans. I imagine it’s truly a thing that people feel like they know you since they see you all the time on TH-cam and social media, and in some cases it could actually turn threatening/dangerous. Anyway, enjoy following you both! Best wishes
All of the experiences I Suck at Hiking posted about followers helping him & his dog Leo out he's much appreciated & have had nothing to great things to say about them.
Heckling a U.S. Army Ranger is pathetic and un American. This is why many backpackers hate thru hikers.
My take away….Obnoxious AT thru hiker heckles and disrespects US Army Rangers training to protect her life and America as a whole.
💯 on all! And good to hear others find the trail names meh
I haven't experienced any situation where a thru hiker, section hiker or day hiker didn't get along. I've not experienced the "entitlement" attitude behaviors from thru hikers, I'm hoping it's only a few that exhibit those behaviors.
theres plenty of people on the AT that are "trail angels" but are actually a business. you're probably more likely to encounter them if you're section hiking.
my related controversial opinion- the real "trail angels" who follow the bubble up the trail doing things to "help" (as if its a charitable cause or something) thru hikers aren't "trail angels", they're groupies.
Please do an episode about the supernatural events in the Appalachians!
I live in Appalachia, by the Smoky Mountains in Tennessee. I don't know why, but I've gotten so over all the "supernatural" Appalachia tropes. Especially on TikTok, the people talking about "what not to do in Appalachia". It's all BS. It's fun to listen to, and I've put a lot of time into listening to them, but it's gotten so big that it's morphing into something Appalachia and our folk lore never was...
Awesome epi. Also, I feel like Kyle hung out with the wrong people or was one of those wrong people.🚶
Ironically I’m from Indiana and just started watching you today…😂
The rainbow flag nonsense at the end of her hike was pure virtue signaling and annoying.
These haters on here obviously didn't stick around and listen to the episode. Kyle good show ! Taylor you're a dream.
Congratulations Taylor. Hi Kyle. Your Mom says hello.
Hey cool can I get her #?
Those chicken nugz looked good bro
Competitive is fine but don’t shame people. Everyone is just doing their best and you don’t know the reasons they are doing it, what mental state they are in etc. I think fine to be competitive but you have to be compassionate. Like, if you can’t say something positive, maybe just zip it because like that guy that made a comment that now lives in your guests head forever, you just don’t know the impact a few simple words or your attitude can have on someone.
Who the HELL are you to say that your subscribers “don’t care about the Bruins”!?? Lol.
Ugh… watching this episode, as a diehard B’s fan, just brought back feelings I didn’t think I’d be revisiting in July.
GD Panthers man. They got us 2 years straight. Glad you were able to watch game 6 at least. I was deep in Havasupai backpacking at the time, with zero chance of WiFi. It was brutal not knowing
He's stumbling over his words because he has a crush on her.
Yes! Just before bed!!
Dude, low on cash? The frequency of ads is crazy
max forest ? was awesome i was beat up yep the armadillo max helped me greatly be well max
I'm not gonna lie
Nice one!
“I’m not gonna lie…..” “To be honest…” “With all due respect….” Always brings a person into question.
I think that almost every time he says it. They're qualifiers, and from what I've heard and experienced, usually come before a lie lol
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I think it’s call Yoging
48:34 honestly, i think its good for everyone to hear these things! I could 100% see myself being out for a section hike and just thinking about my own experience. But i wouldnt want someone whos been hiking even longer to end up sleeping on a slant, everyone needs good sleep!
I love Taylor, Kyle not so much. Ha. Thru hikers are the worst, pretty much a freak show on the AT. I have hiked much of the AT in NH and avoid thru hikers like I would crazy homeless people in major cities. Most over rated activity in the outdoors. Like a bunch of smelly lemmings following each other going from town to town resupply, over running trail shelters and campsites.
I'm from Indiana!
Let’s start a drinking game. Drink every time you say “not gonna lie” WTF
Kyle, are you going to throw up some hiking vlogs again?
I 100% agree with ‘sending it’ being just as fulfilling, personally, as ‘stopping to smell the roses.’ I love hiking, that’s the part that I love! I don’t understand hating on others for their pace one way or another. That’s what hike your hike means. I got told once that the pace I’m training to hit would be a ‘death march’ and I just don’t get that at all lol.
I love your channel but after the first 4 “I’m not gonna lie” I couldn’t listen further.
Taylor is always a joy!
Yogiing, meh.
Dude, how much do you normally lie?
you guys look a lot a like
Wow. I’d feel that way about the hostel too. They should only be for hikers. At least during the busy season.
Trail names do sound dumb.
Uhgg!
Grumpy I think. I feel like saying bah humbug.. Trail names are part of the fun
I tried to watch to see Taylor, but just can’t handle all the “I’m not gonna lies”.
I am generally a faster hiker and I agree that you don’t need to stop and smell the roses. I section hiked Georgia and blue blazed most of the “scenic” views.. not really worth it in my opinion!
Go Panthers ❤
You and Taylor have both been pumping LMNT for a long time. It has been exposed as lying about their maltodextrin content and falsely advertising their product doesn’t contain “dodgy” ingredients. Will you and Taylor continue to support this shady and dishonest company? Or will you do the right thing and cut ties with them and take down all content that advertises their junk? Maybe do a show on this scandal and gather other hiking TH-camrs who have regularly pimped LMNT.
Let's go Buffalo! The Sabres are great. The bruins suck. 😂
My celebrity crush... Taylor