I very much agree with you pre coffee ramblings. Those fencers that are always trying to double make me crazy, for those people i tend to play a longer/distance game and try catch them on the way in. Creating that buffer area gives the judges time to see what actually happened
My only experience is MMA, but these things so remind me of the same type of styles you see in MMA. Some guys are reckless, some like to kite around and run. But the best guys are generally capable of something a bit less drastic and more nuanced/balanced. Great video.
That was really frustrating to watch!!Basically the conclusion was; I don’t appreciate having to chase someone down (defensive individuals) or being chased down (aggressive individuals), but like engaging and exchanging on my own terms/together (don’t we all 🤷🏻♂️). You could have just generalized about styles which should be common knowledge to experienced fencers 🤺, and avoid personal preferences regarding strengths, weaknesses and strategies and tactics used. A good coach and/or fencer should be able to pick up on that regardless by watching a match or two.
I feel like for a guy rambling before his coffee brews it's fairly comprehensive. You ask him to generalize styles and he actually did to be fair: you point it out as well, that he picks out what is annoying about defensive fencers and overly aggressive fencers. Those are two fairly common knowledge "styles" that experienced fencers would get. Also, the title is "What Styles are Annoying", and he chose to talk about some stuff that annoys him. Specifically his idea about aggressive fencers and "a points a point" is something I resonate with but understand why others may disagree with. Your last point is also sort of waffle if I'm honest, yes, a good coach would be able to pick up specific styles; he pointed out two that can be annoying to fence against. Really what I'm aiming for is keep going with the series Jamie (if you read the comments and that)! Lots of fun and always great to have a one-sided discussion with yourself every other day.
@@olinblur4832 Nothing against ramblings, and I might have overshot with my comment (by all means). That being said; the defensive counter and aggressor you’ll met in all fighting arts is my experience. An interesting topic for another rambling would be schools vs. schools 🤔
@@albertk.nelson12ah I like the idea of talking about school vs school as well, tbf I had to watch it again to double check what I’m about to say but: he mentions videos later on more specifically about styles: “meyerists” vs “Vadi-ists” and so on in the last minute or so of this video. I get the impression he’s going to note that there can be aggressive and defensive fencers in any given style (such as a meyerist who can attack a lot, or perhaps one who waits for an opponent to come into measure and then counter attacks, etc), so I’ll b interested to see what he talks about next :)
As I said at the end, this was an old question I largely dug out to setup the next run of videos where I'll be talking more about styles and systems. I don't think the "schools vs schools" conversation makes a lot of sense, but I will be talking about some specific features of different fencing texts and trying to explain what the "good" and "bad" versions of the same feature look like from the outside, amongst other topics. Coffee & HEMA isn't a great format for demonstrating the subtler points of tactical advice, you really need to see things in action. Here's a set of clips I knocked together for a class I did on chasing people down (but without the class it may be no more useful) if you really want more detail on dealing with that type of opponent. th-cam.com/video/pKQZAot1mek/w-d-xo.html Sadly is is just clips. Doing detailed technical explanations is a much bigger task and there's only so much time I can dedicate to this, which is something I gain absolutely 0 personal benefit from apart from the amusement I get get to seeing the extremely weird clips of my face that TH-cam autogenerates ;)
@@PhilippoVadi My background is actually not HEMA (boxing, karate, jiujitsu, aikido). I stumbled into this world of Vadi from G. Windsor and trying to get a better understanding of half-cutting. That is from ⚔️/swords touching. A similar principle, I believe, used in something called “walking-around-the-corner”. As I understand it there’s not much info on the subject nor good explanations, neither from Fiore or Vadi. Not explained in texts related to Kashima or Katori to my knowledge, but certainly used in Katori. From my perspective schools vs. schools is interesting, but that might be rooted in my view of the Japanese sword schools being distinct. Personally, I’m also particularly interested in learning more on the topic of winding - from the ground and/or upper body. I find these aspects, with an open mind, to cross over from armed to unarmed, and across styles. Just my 2 cents of rambling, and do keep on rambling 👍🏻🤓
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I very much agree with you pre coffee ramblings. Those fencers that are always trying to double make me crazy, for those people i tend to play a longer/distance game and try catch them on the way in. Creating that buffer area gives the judges time to see what actually happened
My only experience is MMA, but these things so remind me of the same type of styles you see in MMA. Some guys are reckless, some like to kite around and run. But the best guys are generally capable of something a bit less drastic and more nuanced/balanced. Great video.
That was really frustrating to watch!!Basically the conclusion was; I don’t appreciate having to chase someone down (defensive individuals) or being chased down (aggressive individuals), but like engaging and exchanging on my own terms/together (don’t we all 🤷🏻♂️). You could have just generalized about styles which should be common knowledge to experienced fencers 🤺, and avoid personal preferences regarding strengths, weaknesses and strategies and tactics used. A good coach and/or fencer should be able to pick up on that regardless by watching a match or two.
I feel like for a guy rambling before his coffee brews it's fairly comprehensive. You ask him to generalize styles and he actually did to be fair: you point it out as well, that he picks out what is annoying about defensive fencers and overly aggressive fencers. Those are two fairly common knowledge "styles" that experienced fencers would get. Also, the title is "What Styles are Annoying", and he chose to talk about some stuff that annoys him. Specifically his idea about aggressive fencers and "a points a point" is something I resonate with but understand why others may disagree with. Your last point is also sort of waffle if I'm honest, yes, a good coach would be able to pick up specific styles; he pointed out two that can be annoying to fence against.
Really what I'm aiming for is keep going with the series Jamie (if you read the comments and that)! Lots of fun and always great to have a one-sided discussion with yourself every other day.
@@olinblur4832 Nothing against ramblings, and I might have overshot with my comment (by all means). That being said; the defensive counter and aggressor you’ll met in all fighting arts is my experience. An interesting topic for another rambling would be schools vs. schools 🤔
@@albertk.nelson12ah I like the idea of talking about school vs school as well, tbf I had to watch it again to double check what I’m about to say but: he mentions videos later on more specifically about styles: “meyerists” vs “Vadi-ists” and so on in the last minute or so of this video. I get the impression he’s going to note that there can be aggressive and defensive fencers in any given style (such as a meyerist who can attack a lot, or perhaps one who waits for an opponent to come into measure and then counter attacks, etc), so I’ll b interested to see what he talks about next :)
As I said at the end, this was an old question I largely dug out to setup the next run of videos where I'll be talking more about styles and systems. I don't think the "schools vs schools" conversation makes a lot of sense, but I will be talking about some specific features of different fencing texts and trying to explain what the "good" and "bad" versions of the same feature look like from the outside, amongst other topics.
Coffee & HEMA isn't a great format for demonstrating the subtler points of tactical advice, you really need to see things in action. Here's a set of clips I knocked together for a class I did on chasing people down (but without the class it may be no more useful) if you really want more detail on dealing with that type of opponent.
th-cam.com/video/pKQZAot1mek/w-d-xo.html
Sadly is is just clips. Doing detailed technical explanations is a much bigger task and there's only so much time I can dedicate to this, which is something I gain absolutely 0 personal benefit from apart from the amusement I get get to seeing the extremely weird clips of my face that TH-cam autogenerates ;)
@@PhilippoVadi My background is actually not HEMA (boxing, karate, jiujitsu, aikido). I stumbled into this world of Vadi from G. Windsor and trying to get a better understanding of half-cutting. That is from ⚔️/swords touching. A similar principle, I believe, used in something called “walking-around-the-corner”. As I understand it there’s not much info on the subject nor good explanations, neither from Fiore or Vadi. Not explained in texts related to Kashima or Katori to my knowledge, but certainly used in Katori. From my perspective schools vs. schools is interesting, but that might be rooted in my view of the Japanese sword schools being distinct. Personally, I’m also particularly interested in learning more on the topic of winding - from the ground and/or upper body. I find these aspects, with an open mind, to cross over from armed to unarmed, and across styles. Just my 2 cents of rambling, and do keep on rambling 👍🏻🤓