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shaness112233 Not neccassarily. Remember, that this place is about two football fields in diameter and the tree overshadows most of it. This is a big ass huge tree. The trunk is probably the size of a small tower. And since living trees burn pretty slow (aside from their leaves and small branches), it is absolutely possible, that the gazeebo burned down quick, but the tree is only half-charred around it. If you can't believe it, watch a lightning-struk tree - or ask a firefighter ;)
I really like this campaign, but I think that if the roles were reversed, with Neal as DM, Neal would have been waaaay tougher and Solomon would have been dead for sure. I kinda like this more casual style though.
'if she was dead already she wouldnt be bleeding' yes she would, as long as there is still a decent amount of blood left, the body can bleed, the difference of pressure makes the blood come out, so for a while after death the body will bleed,but after a while the blood all basically just go down.
"The roots, the roots, the roots are on fire, we don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn, burn motherfucker burn" Awesome episode. Glad I am rewatching this
he could have saved himself a lot.... just buy a tone of booze, cut the robes up, soak the ends in oil, and then light them and throw at tree. simple to make, easy to use..... he might have been able to do it from his room, but I doubt it...... but I think he just wanted to get rid of the shopkeeper, do something really cruel (nail woman to tree), and burn down the tree..... he kinda failed on the 3 one though as it was put out.
Ryan needs to learn a thing or two about how fire spreads... after an hour+, the tree shouldnt just have a quarter of its roots burning... not only that, but also the fact that at this point, a fire that has had this much time to nourish itself on flammable material and oxygen, should be impossible to put out, especially with medieval means....
And you should learn a thing or two about paying attention to details.The tree is massive,not a pine tree,probably still wet and,most importantly,alive.A few buckets of oil and some cloth won't make much of a difference in does circumstances and it certainly wouldn't make it an impossible task for the guards to put out/keep under control. P.s I almost forgot:the tree is also magical.
darklordmephisto15 paying attention to details? really now? massive tree or not, its still a free, thus flammable and the added oil and flammable bodies should suffice to make it spread. besides i doubt that the tree is just standing there without any ornaments or the like, which would only increase the flammable factor. tree being alive? how is that a factor? i can see a point about how the tree is still full of water it has drawn via its roots, but a flame just has to work long enough to dry out the material around it and vaporising the water in the tree, layer by layer. and as clearly said by the DM, the flame was still going after over an hour, thus it has had plenty of time to nourish itself on both oxygen and flammable material to spread, a fire is a living thing and shouldnt be underestimated, as long as it has enough oxygen and flammable material, it wont go out easily and (again) certainly not by "medieval" means. an hour+ of unchecked fire engulfing the area, and more, that Neal set fire to, can do horific things to whatever is set fire to. it seems you dont really know how fast a fire can spread if left unchecked, a whole living room can be burned down in under 10 minutes by just a cigarette or lamp left lit in a sofa or whatever else. furthermore as before mentioned by someone else, its a fire started with oil, putting that out with water? thats a huge no-no unless u want the fire to explode and spread. magical tree? sure ill take that explanation, but then why would the guards need to put it out then?? if the tree was magically protected against fire, there would be no alarm.
MrNexusNemesis Strawman argument...Great.I wouldn't expect any different from youtube comments. 1)*"massive tree or not, its still a free[SIC], thus flammable".* Yeah,sure,completly disregard that size is a factor in the spread of fire.I mean,what's the difference between a twig and a giant sequoia tree right?Their both flammable so who cares?[/sarcasm] 2)*[...]"i doubt that the tree is just standing there without any ornaments or the like"[...]*. I can't fathom how you reached the conclusion that the tree is more likely *to be* decorated then not.Was it common practice in "medieval" times to decorate a tree when it suited people's arguments?Regardless the tree was not decorated at the time because Ryan mentions that they decorate it for First Snowfall the next day. 3)*[...]tree being alive? how is that a factor? i can see a point about how the tree is still full of water it has drawn via its roots, but a flame just has to work long enough to dry out the material around it and vaporising the water in the tree[...]* ...which would take a long time because the tree is gigantic.Again,you're attention to detail gets thrown out the window just for the sake of pulling a strawman argument.The tree is enormous and full of water inside and out.That's as big of a hindrance as you can get when it comes to starting and maintaing a fire. 4)*[...]it wont go out easily and (again) certainly not by "medieval" means.[...]* Every time I see people pulling out things like *"medieval means" to support their arguments I can hardly contain my laughter.This isn't *Europe 1300*,it's *Dungeons & Dragons*.The "means" people have at their disposal in a D&D campaign are at the DM's discretion,not yours.An example:Ryan could have just said "The local wizard comes by,snaps his fingers and puts out the fire".Where would your "medieval" remark be in that case? 5)*[...]*an hour+ of unchecked fire engulfing the area, and more, that Neal set fire to, can do horific things to whatever is set fire to. *it seems you dont really know how fast a fire can spread if left unchecked,[...]* This little bit I find especially funny since: a)my childhood home burned right in front me as I tried desperetly to put out the flames. b)I own a carpening firm.We use the exces wood for heat(burned in furnace). c)As a teen I would always help a uncle of mine with his farmland.The help in question also encompassed controled fires to help the soil.On two occasions the fire got a little out of hand but thankfully we managed to put it out in time. d)I have a lot of cherry trees on my property.Guess what happens with the branches after I groom them. 6)*[...]furthermore as before mentioned by someone else, its a fire started with oil, putting that out with water? thats a huge no-no unless u want the fire to explode and spread.[...]* At this point it's blatantly obvious that you don't know as much about fire (or oil for that matter)as you would like to asume.The oil was burned up well before the guards showed up to put out the flames. 7)*[...]magical tree? sure ill take that explanation, but then why would the guards need to put it out then?? if the tree was magically protected against fire, there would be no alarm[...]* Wait...Wat....?The tree caught fire,how would you have liked them to respond?The point was that something magical is way more resilient then something that's non-magical which in this case would make the tree burn slower.Of all the plethora of factors that are in favor of slowing the fire's spread this is most certanly the most important one of them all. Sidenote:Don't even bother sugesting that the tree is not magical.Ryan makes it pretty clear in the next VOD.
so the first points you try to make again, are pretty much "the bigger stuff is, the harder it is to burn". No matter the size, it will still burn, just takes longer for it to be completely engulfed. its full of water, but in what sense? you almost make it sound like the tree is hollow and the water is there in fully fluid form just ready to extinguish any flames, which is obviously not the case. The water in the tree will slow it down massively, but not endlessly. and yes Ryan couldve easily said that the mages just snapped their fingers and put out the fire, but he didnt. its dungeons and dragons so of course fantasy comes ontop of the medieval aspect, but there was no mentioning of magically putting out the fire. so you helped "control the fire", what wouldve happened if it was left unchecked? for 1½ hour? indeed after such a long time the oil wouldve burnt out and wouldnt be much of a factor any longer. "The point was that something magical is way more resilient then something that's non-magical which in this case would make the tree burn slower." since when does magical automatically mean fireproof or resilient? it would be obvious that the tree would be magically protected against fires and such, but it is not stated that this is specifically true. your experiences with fire resemble mine and most of my friends and most likely millions of other people. im sure that you also know and speak to lots of firemen just like me. i do wonder about all the forest fires that arent started naturally. btw, the outer layer of a tree is almost completely dry, which means the fire could crawl along the outer layer, all around and to the top of the tree, where it would just find leaves and other easily flammable materials. strawhat arguments... how ironic, since your arguments are no better than mine in a hypothetical world that Ryan made up. its easy to call one names over the internet, especially on youtube, as you yourself made a point of saying, but right back at you.
MrNexusNemesis its called a strawMAN argument, its not name calling its from logic 101. its where you turn the argument one person makes into something it wasnt then argue against the NEW argument.
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Anyone else think about throwing water on an oil fire being a problem?
I think by then the oil would have burnt up and the tree would be burning.
Great episode :) Though the whole tree should have burned down (or I completely misunderstood the way the gazebo was built into it).
It should've at least fallen over if that much of its support was burnt
shaness112233 Not neccassarily. Remember, that this place is about two football fields in diameter and the tree overshadows most of it. This is a big ass huge tree. The trunk is probably the size of a small tower. And since living trees burn pretty slow (aside from their leaves and small branches), it is absolutely possible, that the gazeebo burned down quick, but the tree is only half-charred around it. If you can't believe it, watch a lightning-struk tree - or ask a firefighter ;)
I really like this campaign, but I think that if the roles were reversed, with Neal as DM, Neal would have been waaaay tougher and Solomon would have been dead for sure. I kinda like this more casual style though.
Agreed. 2 guards vs a lvl 1 cleric with shit combat stats? bullshit.
EvilNeal best Neal.
Why didnt the guard who got feared come back?
'if she was dead already she wouldnt be bleeding' yes she would, as long as there is still a decent amount of blood left, the body can bleed, the difference of pressure makes the blood come out, so for a while after death the body will bleed,but after a while the blood all basically just go down.
That's the point, Soloman was lying to convince the dude to cooperate.
"The roots, the roots, the roots are on fire, we don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn, burn motherfucker burn"
Awesome episode. Glad I am rewatching this
i thought oil fires aren't put out by water?
all fire is put out by water/dirt/etc..... its just a hell of a lot harder when its an oil fire.
'leave the woman' why the hell would he do that, shes the only baragning cip he has, if he drops her theguards just run over and skewer him.
neal is simply amazing as an evil priest
so much smacktalk from neal
I was really hoping he would molotov the tree hahaha
he could have saved himself a lot.... just buy a tone of booze, cut the robes up, soak the ends in oil, and then light them and throw at tree. simple to make, easy to use..... he might have been able to do it from his room, but I doubt it...... but I think he just wanted to get rid of the shopkeeper, do something really cruel (nail woman to tree), and burn down the tree..... he kinda failed on the 3 one though as it was put out.
Ryan needs to learn a thing or two about how fire spreads... after an hour+, the tree shouldnt just have a quarter of its roots burning... not only that, but also the fact that at this point, a fire that has had this much time to nourish itself on flammable material and oxygen, should be impossible to put out, especially with medieval means....
And you should learn a thing or two about paying attention to details.The tree is massive,not a pine tree,probably still wet and,most importantly,alive.A few buckets of oil and some cloth won't make much of a difference in does circumstances and it certainly wouldn't make it an impossible task for the guards to put out/keep under control.
P.s I almost forgot:the tree is also magical.
darklordmephisto15
paying attention to details? really now?
massive tree or not, its still a free, thus flammable and the added oil and flammable bodies should suffice to make it spread. besides i doubt that the tree is just standing there without any ornaments or the like, which would only increase the flammable factor.
tree being alive? how is that a factor? i can see a point about how the tree is still full of water it has drawn via its roots, but a flame just has to work long enough to dry out the material around it and vaporising the water in the tree, layer by layer. and as clearly said by the DM, the flame was still going after over an hour, thus it has had plenty of time to nourish itself on both oxygen and flammable material to spread, a fire is a living thing and shouldnt be underestimated, as long as it has enough oxygen and flammable material, it wont go out easily and (again) certainly not by "medieval" means.
an hour+ of unchecked fire engulfing the area, and more, that Neal set fire to, can do horific things to whatever is set fire to. it seems you dont really know how fast a fire can spread if left unchecked, a whole living room can be burned down in under 10 minutes by just a cigarette or lamp left lit in a sofa or whatever else.
furthermore as before mentioned by someone else, its a fire started with oil, putting that out with water? thats a huge no-no unless u want the fire to explode and spread.
magical tree? sure ill take that explanation, but then why would the guards need to put it out then?? if the tree was magically protected against fire, there would be no alarm.
MrNexusNemesis
Strawman argument...Great.I wouldn't expect any different from youtube comments.
1)*"massive tree or not, its still a free[SIC], thus flammable".*
Yeah,sure,completly disregard that size is a factor in the spread of fire.I mean,what's the difference between a twig and a giant sequoia tree right?Their both flammable so who cares?[/sarcasm]
2)*[...]"i doubt that the tree is just standing there without any ornaments or the like"[...]*.
I can't fathom how you reached the conclusion that the tree is more likely *to be* decorated then not.Was it common practice in "medieval" times to decorate a tree when it suited people's arguments?Regardless the tree was not decorated at the time because Ryan mentions that they decorate it for First Snowfall the next day.
3)*[...]tree being alive? how is that a factor? i can see a point about how the tree is still full of water it has drawn via its roots, but a flame just has to work long enough to dry out the material around it and vaporising the water in the tree[...]*
...which would take a long time because the tree is gigantic.Again,you're attention to detail gets thrown out the window just for the sake of pulling a strawman argument.The tree is enormous and full of water inside and out.That's as big of a hindrance as you can get when it comes to starting and maintaing a fire.
4)*[...]it wont go out easily and (again) certainly not by "medieval" means.[...]*
Every time I see people pulling out things like *"medieval means" to support their arguments I can hardly contain my laughter.This isn't *Europe 1300*,it's *Dungeons & Dragons*.The "means" people have at their disposal in a D&D campaign are at the DM's discretion,not yours.An example:Ryan could have just said "The local wizard comes by,snaps his fingers and puts out the fire".Where would your "medieval" remark be in that case?
5)*[...]*an hour+ of unchecked fire engulfing the area, and more, that Neal set fire to, can do horific things to whatever is set fire to. *it seems you dont really know how fast a fire can spread if left unchecked,[...]*
This little bit I find especially funny since:
a)my childhood home burned right in front me as I tried desperetly to put out the flames.
b)I own a carpening firm.We use the exces wood for heat(burned in furnace).
c)As a teen I would always help a uncle of mine with his farmland.The help in question also encompassed controled fires to help the soil.On two occasions the fire got a little out of hand but thankfully we managed to put it out in time.
d)I have a lot of cherry trees on my property.Guess what happens with the branches after I groom them.
6)*[...]furthermore as before mentioned by someone else, its a fire started with oil, putting that out with water? thats a huge no-no unless u want the fire to explode and spread.[...]*
At this point it's blatantly obvious that you don't know as much about fire (or oil for that matter)as you would like to asume.The oil was burned up well before the guards showed up to put out the flames.
7)*[...]magical tree? sure ill take that explanation, but then why would the guards need to put it out then?? if the tree was magically protected against fire, there would be no alarm[...]*
Wait...Wat....?The tree caught fire,how would you have liked them to respond?The point was that something magical is way more resilient then something that's non-magical which in this case would make the tree burn slower.Of all the plethora of factors that are in favor of slowing the fire's spread this is most certanly the most important one of them all.
Sidenote:Don't even bother sugesting that the tree is not magical.Ryan makes it pretty clear in the next VOD.
so the first points you try to make again, are pretty much "the bigger stuff is, the harder it is to burn". No matter the size, it will still burn, just takes longer for it to be completely engulfed.
its full of water, but in what sense? you almost make it sound like the tree is hollow and the water is there in fully fluid form just ready to extinguish any flames, which is obviously not the case. The water in the tree will slow it down massively, but not endlessly.
and yes Ryan couldve easily said that the mages just snapped their fingers and put out the fire, but he didnt. its dungeons and dragons so of course fantasy comes ontop of the medieval aspect, but there was no mentioning of magically putting out the fire.
so you helped "control the fire", what wouldve happened if it was left unchecked? for 1½ hour?
indeed after such a long time the oil wouldve burnt out and wouldnt be much of a factor any longer.
"The point was that something magical is way more resilient then something that's non-magical which in this case would make the tree burn slower."
since when does magical automatically mean fireproof or resilient? it would be obvious that the tree would be magically protected against fires and such, but it is not stated that this is specifically true.
your experiences with fire resemble mine and most of my friends and most likely millions of other people. im sure that you also know and speak to lots of firemen just like me.
i do wonder about all the forest fires that arent started naturally.
btw, the outer layer of a tree is almost completely dry, which means the fire could crawl along the outer layer, all around and to the top of the tree, where it would just find leaves and other easily flammable materials.
strawhat arguments... how ironic, since your arguments are no better than mine in a hypothetical world that Ryan made up. its easy to call one names over the internet, especially on youtube, as you yourself made a point of saying, but right back at you.
MrNexusNemesis its called a strawMAN argument, its not name calling its from logic 101. its where you turn the argument one person makes into something it wasnt then argue against the NEW argument.
Nice work :D
Does Neal enjoy being such a sadist? 'Cause I enjoy watching him!