Tibor, it was a pleasure to play this with you more than 30 years ago, and still a great pleasure to hear. I hope you will contact me if you get to the States.
The Adagio cantabile is so beautiful, it's like being in a new home for several years, and your love of your home brings you back. Then you take a walk through your town, looking at all the memories you cherished, and thinking of all the friends that you had and where they are. But then you go to the graveyard, and see someone you knew, someone special, and you remember all of the moments that you had, making you crushed and depressed. You then look at each of them in a different light, and you realize, 'don't mourn the past, look to the future'. This brings you back to the thought of your new home, and how it is great; new family, new friends, and new opportunities. And so you leave something dear to you, and say one final goodbye before setting back home.
+lakerman49 Nice description. I usually prefer to hear instrumental music in a rather abstract way but this is a sensitive and imaginative way of listening to Beethoven. I hope you will post more of these kinds of responses!
El Beethoven poco original por lo muy clásico que suena es tan fascinante como el Beethoven después de la tercera sinfonía (55 opus después) Simplemente maravilloso.
I have just decided to listen my way through all the works of Beethoven I am not aware of having heard before in a lifetime of music listening, so started at the start! Lovely work (I think Haydn thought otherwise!) and superb performance with a particularly lovely piano tone, just right for this music. Thanks.
+Melvyn Elphee Exactly. So what Beethoven considered "standard" could have been Haydn's "revolutionary". And that which Beethoven called "revolutionary" could have been "dangerous" to Haydn's ears.
Hahah, i'm also here cos I just got the opus number list and am going through it start to finish, then onto the non-opus list. Wikipedia is truly a wonder. PS, what a charming little ditty this piece is eh. :-)
Melvyn Elphee Haydn understood and appreciated this work perfectly; his advice to withhold publication stemmed from his fear that it was too difficult for the public to understand and that he was actually trying to protect him from possible disappointment. Beethoven never really understood this and drew his own conclusions. Haydn had not a jealous bone in his body; his glowing references to Mozart show this and the worst he ever said about Beethoven was to call him the Great or Grand Mogul; he asked after him to the end of his life. The relationship between the two composers, whilst there were frequent misunderstandings, was not as bad as some commentators pretend; following the issue of the c minor trio, Beethoven then dedicated the sonatas Opus 2 to Haydn, hardly the actions of a man who felt his best trio slighted by the most illustrious composer of the age. Regarding the trio; Haydn had similarly withheld his own great, profound and ‘difficult’ sonata in c minor Hob. XVI: 20 written in 1771. This sonata, one of the greatest pre-Beethoven sonatas by any composer, was not published until 1780; Haydn simply offered Beethoven the same advice about the trio he had given himself about his similarly challenging sonata.
Now I regret that I only wrote fingerings for the opening of the first movement :-) You may try them, but do not take them too seriously... if your own fingerings work, then they are the very best!
Dear Tibor: Good to hear your music again. Are you up to playing for our IARF Congress in August 2014 in England? If so, let let me know, and I will try to make arrangements. I fear there are no funds for Air Fare, but I believe I can arrange a little hospitiality
Er ontbreken veel opusnummers waaronder het Pianotrio no 15 in Es Opus 63 en de Cellosonate no 6 in Es Opus 64 en de Grote Mars in Es voor Koor en Orkest Opus 114, dus niet Opus 113 no 6! ( Zijn interessante opnamen van beschikbaar).
Tibor Szasz Close enough, certainly. Thanks for the quick reply. So we could say this is where Beethoven's glory began yes? And what great glory it is! His music is in my opinion the greatest artistic gift to humanity!
Tibor Szasz Of course! But Beethoven's greatest works came when he was deaf, he was a musical asset given to us. The only reason he didn't commit suicide was so that he can leave us his works. Of course there are other great composers, but Beethoven was the beginning of the romantic era of music. A culmination of which I believe Rachmaninoff to be
Tibor, it was a pleasure to play this with you more than 30 years ago, and still a great pleasure to hear. I hope you will contact me if you get to the States.
Congratulations for this very nice job. God bless you.
Good interpretation.
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The Adagio cantabile is so beautiful, it's like being in a new home for several years, and your love of your home brings you back. Then you take a walk through your town, looking at all the memories you cherished, and thinking of all the friends that you had and where they are. But then you go to the graveyard, and see someone you knew, someone special, and you remember all of the moments that you had, making you crushed and depressed. You then look at each of them in a different light, and you realize, 'don't mourn the past, look to the future'. This brings you back to the thought of your new home, and how it is great; new family, new friends, and new opportunities. And so you leave something dear to you, and say one final goodbye before setting back home.
+lakerman49
Nice description. I usually prefer to hear instrumental music in a rather abstract way but this is a sensitive and imaginative way of listening to Beethoven. I hope you will post more of these kinds of responses!
Thanks man!
Wonderful musicianship - so uplifting and life-affirming! Along with Brahms, Beethoven is my joint favourite composer.Thank you!!
A most beautiful performance of one of my favourite pieces! Thank you Tibor!
Thank you for helping keep alive these pieces and for sharing them here. Wonderful interpretation.
Thanks so much for the upload.
0:11 A legend was born
me gusta escuchar las composiciones de Beethoven cuando estudio
0:00 - I. Allegro
7:42 - II. Adagio cantabile
15:20 - III. Scherzo. Allegro assai
20:12 - IV Finale. Presto
Thank you for your timing suggestions. However, the Scherzo begins at 15:20
Ahh, I'm sorry about that. Will fix.
+Tibor Szasz what is ur trio called?..
NoName, we just got together and made music !
El Beethoven poco original por lo muy clásico que suena es tan fascinante como el Beethoven después de la tercera sinfonía (55 opus después) Simplemente maravilloso.
This was really beautiful. Thank you for taking the time to add the section times.
I have just decided to listen my way through all the works of Beethoven I am not aware of having heard before in a lifetime of music listening, so started at the start! Lovely work (I think Haydn thought otherwise!) and superb performance with a particularly lovely piano tone, just right for this music. Thanks.
I believe Haydn found fault with the Op.1, No.3 Trio in C Minor. Beethoven, I feel, was more daring in minor keys.
Haydn was also extremely daring in his day but what is daring has always changed from one generation to the next.
+Melvyn Elphee Exactly. So what Beethoven considered "standard" could have been Haydn's "revolutionary". And that which Beethoven called "revolutionary" could have been "dangerous" to Haydn's ears.
Hahah, i'm also here cos I just got the opus number list and am going through it start to finish, then onto the non-opus list. Wikipedia is truly a wonder. PS, what a charming little ditty this piece is eh. :-)
Melvyn Elphee Haydn understood and appreciated this work perfectly; his advice to withhold publication stemmed from his fear that it was too difficult for the public to understand and that he was actually trying to protect him from possible disappointment. Beethoven never really understood this and drew his own conclusions.
Haydn had not a jealous bone in his body; his glowing references to Mozart show this and the worst he ever said about Beethoven was to call him the Great or Grand Mogul; he asked after him to the end of his life. The relationship between the two composers, whilst there were frequent misunderstandings, was not as bad as some commentators pretend; following the issue of the c minor trio, Beethoven then dedicated the sonatas Opus 2 to Haydn, hardly the actions of a man who felt his best trio slighted by the most illustrious composer of the age.
Regarding the trio; Haydn had similarly withheld his own great, profound and ‘difficult’ sonata in c minor Hob. XVI: 20 written in 1771. This sonata, one of the greatest pre-Beethoven sonatas by any composer, was not published until 1780; Haydn simply offered Beethoven the same advice about the trio he had given himself about his similarly challenging sonata.
it`s beautiful music!!
Bravo Tibor!!!
Genius Beethoven.
You can listen the influence from Mozart in the Allegro, that has phrases from the Nocturne Serenade.
I'm just starting to learn this piece, and really enjoyed listening to this performance! Think I may try out some of your fingerings, too. :) Thanks!
Now I regret that I only wrote fingerings for the opening of the first movement :-)
You may try them, but do not take them too seriously... if your own fingerings work, then they are the very best!
16:45 Magic monent :)
awesome..wd..
Dear Tibor:
Good to hear your music again.
Are you up to playing for our IARF Congress in August 2014 in England?
If so, let let me know, and I will try to make arrangements.
I fear there are no funds for Air Fare, but I believe I can arrange a little hospitiality
Hola jsefuidsfii
Que intriga bethoben
Er ontbreken veel opusnummers waaronder het Pianotrio no 15 in Es Opus 63 en de Cellosonate no 6 in Es Opus 64 en de Grote Mars in Es voor Koor en Orkest Opus 114, dus niet Opus 113 no 6! ( Zijn interessante opnamen van beschikbaar).
Opus 1, number 1...
Does that make this the first piece Beethoven ever published?
The first piece published with an opus number. I have not checked if Beethoven published anything prior to this piece WITHOUT an opus number.
Tibor Szasz Close enough, certainly. Thanks for the quick reply. So we could say this is where Beethoven's glory began yes? And what great glory it is! His music is in my opinion the greatest artistic gift to humanity!
One of the greatest, yes, in any case! But let us be fair, there are other great ones, too !
Tibor Szasz Of course! But Beethoven's greatest works came when he was deaf, he was a musical asset given to us. The only reason he didn't commit suicide was so that he can leave us his works. Of course there are other great composers, but Beethoven was the beginning of the romantic era of music. A culmination of which I believe Rachmaninoff to be
The first composer who manifested human freedom fully -- a co-creator with the divine inspiration. Music inseparably human and divine.
some instances in allegro sounded like mozart's sonata 16
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You can really hear the Mozart influence. But of course this is just opus 1. Beethoven would not become "Beethoven" for a few more years.