Ivo Pogorelich, Alice Kezeradze, 1983 Master Class on Maurice Ravel Gaspard de la nuit, Documentary.
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- Ivo Pogorelich, Alice Kezeradze, 1983 Master Class, Maurice Ravel ,Gaspard de la nuit, Documentary.
Maurice Ravel's Gaspard de la nuit ranks among the most important piano works of the 20th century and, as it were, represents the pinnacle of the extension of the piano playing techniques and tonal possibilities which started in the 19th century. Ravel took poems by Aloysius Bertrand as a basis of the three movements Ondine, Le Gibet and Scarbo. Thus, he follows the 19th-century tradition to combine instrumental music with literary works.
Parts of 1983 documentary ( available in Amazon ) in the intimacy of his home with his wife and teacher Alice Kezeradze, who died in 1996.
Ivo Pogorelich was born in Belgrade in 1958 as son of a musician. He received his first piano lessons at the age of seven and went to Moscow at the age of twelve to study at the Central Special Music School and then at the Tchaikowsky Conservatory. In 1976 he began intensive studies with the renowned pianist and teacher Aliza Kezeradze, with whom he was married from 1980 until her untimely death in 1996.
Mme. Kezeradze was able to transmit the spirit and matter of the school of Beethoven and Liszt, the tradition of the Liszt-Siloti school, originated in Vienna and than carried through to the Conservatory of St. Petersburg, flourishing towards the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th. Century.
Pogorelich´s sound, concerts and recordings pay homage to this exceptionally refined, visionary, and truly revolutionary woman, who so lovingly made Pogorelich a unique artist of genius.
Ivo Pogorelich won the first prize at the Alessandro Casagrande Competition at Terni (Italy) in 1978 and the first price at the Montreal International Music Competition in 1980. In October of the same year he entered the International Chopin Competition in Warsaw where, when prevented from participating in the final contest as a soloist with the orchestra, a fierce controversy resulted in the renowned argentinian pianist Martha Argerich, a member of the jury, protesting and leaving the competition, joined by other members of the jury panel, with the words “He is a genius”.
The New York Times once wrote “He played each note exactly, with such a feeling, such expression, he was an entire orchestra- it was as if he played 200 years ahead of our time”. In this spirit Ivo Pogorelich is known today as a poet of the instrument.
Ivo Pogorelich is not only an artist of the highest caliber, discipline and musicianship, but the archetype of the modern artist, the isolated and courageous master, who finds his own way to new heights of expression, no matter the prejudices or the barriers of misunderstanding raised against him. He stands alone at the beginning of a new epoch like a prophet, mapping the routes that art would take.
Pogorelich´s cathartic and mystical sound, is concerned with the ultimate mysteries that transcend this world. His grandiose, colossal and majestic art, symbolizes the struggle of the human soul to find release from the bonds of its material body. His exquisite and overwhelming music continues to echo throughout the entire performance and beyond, so the action is at once momentary, eternal and complete.
Pogorelich´s interpretations are indescribably beautiful and irresistible. His sound is pure poetry and extremely emotional, yet entirely unsentimental. We are hypnotized by his new and radical naturalness, by his nobility, dignity, severity and sobriety; transporting us to states of wonder, ecstasy, meditation, love and compassion.
-- Sound and Silence, Life and Death, Time and Space; collapse into the Eternal moment of Infinity. -- - เพลง
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Wow fascinating. This was when he was in his absolute prime. He was a Titan of a pianist and such an original thinker.
One of the most incredible documentaries that I have ever seen. For everyone interested in the transcendent reaches of human nature, a masterpiece about two brilliant human beings.
Very interesting what Pogorelich says about not following so much what the composer seems to have intended, but to look further back into what might have motivated the meaning of the music.
This intuitively makes sense if one believes that musical inspiration rises out of the composer's subconscious, by means of a process to a large extent beyond his or her control. To be a great interpreter - and the French word 'interprete' is much more apt than the English work 'perfomer' - one needs to be able to enter into the emotion and spirit of the work, and not to be too influenced by performance history or too slavish in following the indications on the score. Every great composition has an existence of its own, independently from the composer, and it can only be revived in its full colour and vigour by someone who looks at it with fresh eyes, and works out, by a combination of intuition and reflection, how to unlock and bring out its complex emotional messages. And that is precisely what Pogorelich is so remarkably gifted at doing.
Very well said. Yes, this piece of the interview struck us as most important as well. 🎵
Perfect description! Thank you
"Aliza kezeradze(mentor, teacher and wife) taught me technical perfection as something natural.
Piano sound both as a human voice and as an orchestra with which composers of XIX and XX centuries could produce a variety of colors.
The need to learn how to use every aspect of our new instruments, which are richer in sound.
The importance of differentiation.
My work is to listen, and if I do it well then the public can listen well, too, to the music that I play. In order to listen well to what one produces with one’s fingers, one has to be very cautious and very persistent. A lot of energy and time goes into it.
many many hours of academic hard work is the secret.
find inspiration after 8 hours of work like Picasso.
first you have to be a servant...then comes the rest.
sacrifice is the key.
the substance is already there, but is dead until your work makes it alive.
always fight against the worst enemy, routine.
always have inspiration.
warm the instrument before a concert like a car in winter...
fight and find the substance, then go to the higher spheres.
playing in public is transcendental.
music takes you to another universe of eternity that remains with you after the concert is finished.
virtuosity comes from the greek origin virtue.
original is finding the origin Gaudi said.
fight to achieve quality, go deeper...find the origin of the sound.
technique is not just fast and slow...is the sound, the long sound, the palette of colors, is entering a different space, reaching the diversity of sound.
rachmaninov had arthritis at the end of his life, he was so weak that his sound was very short, that is the reason he played fast, to fill the vacuum.
if you have long sound you are in command to achieve clarity and the hypnotic sound between the notes.
the problem was always the conflict and the difference between the absolute and the relative quality.
beauty in music is like in diamonds, the purest diamond in the world is the Koh-i-Noor, it is the absolute beauty to which others with relative beauty are compared.
most music I could hear was just an ostentatious circus act of virtuoso pieces for up-and-coming pianists, tests of finger dexterity, not art.
you have to get into the phycological frame of mind in which composers wrote their works in order to discover its secrets.
work as hard as a galley slave.
I do not practice excercises.
When I practice a piece, I do a few variations around it, inventing my own excercises to help in that particular place.
Technique is the art of variety, the art of knowing how to adjust your hand to a particular group of notes to produce a particular sound to fit the particular expectation of the ear.
sound becomes metaphysical only when you have completely explored all physical possibilities. you should explore until reaching the absurd.
one should always try as much as possible to rediscover music as though one is hearing it for the first time, searching everywhere for new meanings and new depths.
the highest function of the artist is to release the spirituality and the emotional immediacy that lie within the score.
Be constantly engaged in research, in mot only looking at things the way they appear but also trying to find the labyrinths, the secrets of music.
A composition can only be performed well if it is entirely yours, not only every note from memory, but the notes have become you, and you have become the notes.
Nothing happens by chance. Call it a force that some people think controls what happens in the future, and is outside human control, call it preordination, but sometimes happens.
After all, the human element brings total happiness."
Ivo Pogorelich
Дякую!!!Оюожнюю Іво!
@@olenaanopka3065 хахаха я тоже... с его искусством и нежностью... он отец и мать, музыка и тишина, вечность, истина
Immortal Ivo and the spirit of his wife, Mrs. Kezeradze! I can recommend the news performance . Here on TH-cam ( performed December 2020). I don't care that Ivo is using the score. That concert gives evidence and clearance of his matured and endless horizons When I was young, I loved his first version and today I Iove Ravel the way Ivo playes it aged.
Such an amazing video. So moving to watch such great artists ❤
Thank you for this. Pogorelich's Gaspard, especially Scarbo is unmatched.
Savrsena prica.Ivo svira bozanstveno....zaista u njegovom slucaju je klasicna muzika umetnost.
🌹🌹🌹❤
On nije savršen, umrla je premlada, on je bio shrvan i depresivan, svi im zavide, ali on je jak, preživeo je podlost i glupost sveta jer je jak genije.
Neznam o kome private?Ja pricam o njegovom talentu.
Чрезвычайно интересно! Спасибо большое!
пожалуйста,
ivo - величайший гений после марии каллас, он обладает неповторимым поэтическим звучанием и музыкальностью, гармонией, ритмом, всеми элементами музыки высочайшего уровня и сферы, вечности.
Thank you for posting this documentary!
Thank you so much for sharing this! One can learn a lot from it.
Very interesting to get inside view of the gifted artists sound world....especially like those artists who possess technical skills and philosophical ideas of sound and harmony and beauty or meaning...these artists open the window for us to peer deeply or with heightened awareness.....sometimes appreciating the genius of the composer in a new or different way....
ポゴレリッチ、いい男過ぎて惚れ直しますね。
ええ...彼はあまりにも良い男です...甘い...天使のような...繊細な..。
40年前に彼の話を聞いたとき、私は彼の芸術に恋をしました。私は忠実で忠実で愛情を持っています。
Very interesting film! Is there more info about the teaching methods of aliza kezeradze? In this docu she explains a little about the use of the fingers, we would like to know more🙏🏻
Such information would be invaluable! She must have been a phenomenal teacher!
Da. Ne umetnost nego vrhunska muzika sa vrlo jakim emocijama.
Ako je to umjetnost, sa emocijama, inteligencijom i beskrajnom poezijom, on je najbolji pijanista u istoriji.
6:55 "After the 10th or 15th lesson ... he made me a marriage proposal..."
yes... almost incredible... pure romantic love... crazy...and worked... we all enjoy their magic together
@@chopin4321 - Well, it didn't exactly work out fine for her previous husband.
@@j.vonhogen9650 i´m so sorry for the previous husband... wish him well...
it worked out for them... happiest couple on earth... pure innocent love... once you have you cant stop it... wish everybody had it, music and the whole world would so much nicer... i recently had it... many decades waiting... oh patience...
sehr gut
Wow! Thank you
Thank you for posting
Thank you so much for this documentary!
Wonderful! Thank you for this!
Great !!!!!
Graciass millón i millón estrellitas en Cielo..es un hermoso Documento para los Jóvenes..aunq ESTO..ya no existe sino..en lo más profundo del Coraje y el Corazòn..pero es una dulce armonía y Canto i Contrapunto..y Dialéctico fluir de " Bichitos infinitos de piccolis pero cn la Fuerza del Pensamiento de Ternura y severa .." anunciaciòn del nacimiento Eterno de todas las cosas ? ..creo..dice Divino García Lorca..( buscaré el Poéma..i te lo envío..) ..
siii...esta grabacion es tan hermosa... era necesario compartirlo con el mundo...saldran musicos del futuro de palabras de ivo y de aliza... llenas de energia, sabiduria, virtud, amor...
los angeles y musas se ponen alegres al ver a ivo estudiar tan duro...esclavo de galeras...principe en las tinieblas... fue y es la luz y la sombra mas bella de mi vida...hay pasados que son siempre presentes...
millones de estrellas ... ivo es la mas bella con horowitz.. y mis padres...estrellas fugaces veloces a camara lenta...siiii que razon tienes... ivo es ternura,,, severidad...eternidad... como toda verdad y belleza...
y lorca... siempre lorca...
El Silencio
Oye, hijo mío, el silencio.
Es un silencio ondulado,
un silencio,
donde resbalan valles y ecos
y que inclina las frentes
hacia el suelo.
F.G. Lorca
As man and wife - he young, tall and slim, she fortyish and matronly - the Pogoreliches are an unusual couple. ''Ivo and 'Madame' are very protective of each other,'' says Karen Moody of Deutsche-Grammophon, who has ferried the two around New York on shopping tours. ''They flock to anything that sparkles, almost like kids. But when they started talking about music, you could tell she was laying down the law and he was resisting. It was like a mother telling her child what to do.'' NYT
The epitome of ageism in a single comment....
@@creativecolours2022 in that case the NYT is ageist, don't blaspheme, NYT is the cathedral of woke religion.
Around Scarbo, all was so interesting, ...
She was actually 21 years older than him, not 13 as the video would have you believe.
There is a major error in the information about the Pogorelich/Kezeradze marriage. The commentator says 'She was 34 and he was 21 when they married` in 1980' - making a 13 year age gap. In fact Aliza was born in 1937 and Ivo in 1958 which is a 26 year age difference.
no, it isnt,
i just said "Ivo Pogorelich was born in Belgrade in 1958 as son of a musician. He received his first piano lessons at the age of seven and went to Moscow at the age of twelve to study at the Central Special Music School and then at the Tchaikowsky Conservatory. In 1976 he began intensive studies with the renowned pianist and teacher Aliza Kezeradze, with whom he was married from 1980 until her untimely death in 1996."
it is disrespectful to talk that way about the age gap of two geniuses.
@@chopin4321 No, you are wrong it clearly said at 07:40 " 'She was 34 and he was 21 when they married` in 1980'" which is totally wrong. Also there is no disrepect just information for the viewers that this comment is wrong. Where is the problem? It simply isn't right that's all.
@@ml-zj4oh ok sorry you are right.
i thought you were referring to my written comments.
it is bad taste from the documentary and a data mistake.
21*
21, not 26
Thanks For sharing
Так или иначе, но все талантливые пианисты, или почти все, связаны с русской фортепианной школой.
ну ... не совсем ... мои любимые - это Горовиц и Погорелич, но я также люблю Пирес, его Моцарт фантастический, th-cam.com/video/AHS33DHJQFU/w-d-xo.html
Бетховен Поллини замечательный ...
th-cam.com/video/r210E7bHB08/w-d-xo.html
Бах Кемпфа ... красиво ....
th-cam.com/video/RIhXPrW9JPA/w-d-xo.html
не забывайте Баха, Скарлатти, Шумана, Шуберта, Брамса, Шопена, Моцарта ... были великими пианистами, а не русской фортепианной школой ...
---One way or another, but all talented pianists, or almost all, are associated with the Russian piano school.---
well... not really... my favourites are horowitz and pogorelich but I also love Pires, his Mozart is fantastic, th-cam.com/video/AHS33DHJQFU/w-d-xo.html
Pollini´s Beethoven wonderful...
th-cam.com/video/r210E7bHB08/w-d-xo.html
Kempff´s Bach... beautiful....
th-cam.com/video/RIhXPrW9JPA/w-d-xo.html
don´t forget bach, scarlatti, schuman, schubert, brahms, chopin, mozart... were great pianists and not russian piano school...
@@chopin4321 Спасибо за ссылки, все очень понравилось, а Кемпф очень хорошо говорит по-русски, он тоже учился у русского профессора.
Does anybody know why the narrator says at 7:40 that Kezeradze was 34 and Pogorelich 21 when they married in 1980? As far as I know, she was 20 years older than he? She was born on the 11th of December 1937, and Pogorelich on the 20th of October 1958.
Perhaps they preferred to hide their age difference slightly? Or is it a mistake? Anyway, curious.
a mistake.. both were geniuses .. nothing to hide.. their love.. their art.. no one showed the factory of genial art like them.. no secrets.. very generous.. best ever after horowitz.
11:07 THIS IS THE TRUTH, a truth that is misunderstood still nowadays.
yes.. si siii. the source.. la fuente.. el origen primitivo del arte.. de la musica .. dios.. god
Melvyn Bragg is one of the luckiest men on the planet. Indefatigable.
7:41 She was at least 42 when they were married. He may indeed have been 21, or 22 if they were married after 20 October 1980.
Alice was 34, Ivo 21.
@@pamelafrancis4476 That's what the documentary says, but it's mistaken. Kezheradze was born in 1937, so, as Alexander says, she was at least 42 when they married.
@@lospazio - I always thought she was 43 at the time. The makers of the documentary probably misread "43" and erroneously wrote down "34" instead. I remember people were saying at the time that Pogorelich had married his pianoteacher, and that she was more than twice his age.
Obviously, Ivo Pogorelich broke a lot of hearts among his young female fans.💔
Bien qu'un peu plus ..., ils parlent tous les deux, lui en Anglais (OUF!), elle en Russe (heureusement qu'il y a le piano, la musique tout court...)
7:41 The subtitles say that Alice Kezeradze was 34 years old in 1980, implying that she was born in 1946. Yet her wikipedia page says that she was born in 1937, which would make her 43 years old in 1980. Probably, someone accidentally flipped the numbers 4 and 3.
yes... a mistake.. she was 43.. you are right.. thanks
Just noticed that too. God damn how’d he manage to seduce a woman twice his age
22:27 the idea of "orchestration of a piece" is a lot more suitable on this piece: th-cam.com/video/rCP27rIVJBw/w-d-xo.html, although it is originally a soprano
To me, this document seems precious in more than one way... Apart from presenting Pogorelich in a heartwarming manner, it shows again -as many other documentaries of this kind already did- that being able to play the piano fantastically (or, more generally speaking, being extremely skilled as a music performer) doesn't come with great analytical competence. Analysing scores is a skill that wants to be trained as much as scales and arpeggios, and a life as a soloist visibly doesn’t leave you really the time to hone it. Look for instance at the touching naivety of Ms. Kezeradze when she explains her statement „because everything was played as the composer wanted“ (13:16). This sentence alone shows a quite ingenuous concept of what a score is and what it can transmit. But the examples she gives (f played as a forte, mf played as a mezzoforte -„We attach huge importance to this…“) are unfortunately contradicted in so many places when Pogorelich’s performance of Gaspard de la nuit is presented in the second part of this documentary. The most famous moment of disregarding a given intensity indication being of course measure 291 of Scarbo, where Ravel asks ppp, but Pogorelich (as nearly all his colleagues do) plays at least mf… (2nd part, 17:52) My point: really fascinating interpretations can occur even without analytical prowess, when strong ideas are clearly communicated, as Pogorelich shows us here. But to have to assess once more how poorly even our best musicians handle music analysis is no cause for celebration, as far as I’m concerned.
we might be brainwashed of conventional playing... we are ...
pogorelichs and horowitzs are so necessary and so vital to refresh... so many recitals are so academic, so cold, so boring.. people turn away..
you are right about the naivety of Ms. Kezeradze when she explains that everything was played as the composer wanted... at least it was her good intention...
or she might be referring to how ivo played in the chopin competition...at least i heard her say that in some interview... but anyway... its not that important if its done occasionally and by geniuses ...like horowitz... very often changes dynamics... or rachmaninoff... did you hear the incredible return of the funeral march in sudden fff ...awesome... th-cam.com/video/_TbIBqTBM4Q/w-d-xo.html
Analysing is important
@@clintclint7673 Analyzing is first step. Freedom truly comes once you understand the reason the composer dully noted every detail, so you can go that way and improve it. I respect a lot Pogorelich for what he achieved, but he never managed to become a great musician, only a great pianist. He can do gorgeous things on moments but there is never an organic conception, where nothing is forced or exaggerated, but authentic and fluent. Those who love first the composers and their legacy will understand my point.
- THE KING OF CHESS -
You are the protégé of Death
contemplating nailed in your Grave
the game of Life.
You're the one with the eyes
on the nails of a Cross.
Your hands caress tenderly
the blind backs of your soldiers.
Your armed and soulless guardians
they ask you kneeling
that you nail a cross to their chests
because they are afraid of not being crucified
at the desired time.
Loyal painters advance drawing you
the secret roads of Death.
Your steel tears destroy when they fall
the bare toes of your feet.
Over the Earth keyboard
the rain unearths
the thousand hands of war.
! Oh King of Chess
living pain of your childhood!
! You die for not winning
and you also die to win!
Alvaro Serralta
- EL REY DEL AJEDREZ -
Tu eres el protegido de la Muerte
que contemplas clavado en tu Tumba
el Juego de la Vida.
Eres el que lleva los ojos
en los clavos de una Cruz.
Tus manos acarician con ternura
las espaldas ciegas de tus soldados.
Tus guardianes armados y desalmados
te piden de rodillas
que claves una cruz en sus pechos
porque tienen miedo de no ser crucificados
en el momento deseado.
Leales pintores avanzan dibujándote
los secretos caminos de la Muerte.
Tus lágrimas de acero destrozan al caer
los desnudos dedos de tus pies.
Sobre el teclado de Tierra
la lluvia desentierra
las mil manos de la Guerra.
! Oh Rey del Ajedrez
dolor vivo de tu niñez !
! Tu mueres por no Vencer
y también mueres por Vencer !
Alvaro Serralta
"Chopin´s playing evoked all the sweet and sorrowful voices of the past. Chopin sang the tears of music...in a whole gamut of different forms and voices, from that of the warrior to those of children and angels..."
Bohdan Zaleski, polish poet, personal diary 2 feb 1844.
"Under the fingers of Chopins´s hand the piano became the voice of an archangel, an orchestra, an army, a raging ocean, a creation of the universe, the end of the world."
Solange Clesinger.
Ivo is the archetype of the modern artist, the isolated and courageous master, who finds his own way to new heights of expression, no matter the prejudices or the barriers of misunderstanding raised against him. He stands alone at the beginning of a new epoch like a prophet, mapping the routes that art would take.
Pogorelich´s cathartic and mystical sound, is concerned with the ultimate mysteries that transcend this world. His grandiose, colossal and majestic art, symbolizes the struggle of the human soul to find release from the bonds of its material body. His exquisite and overwhelming music continues to echo throughout the entire performance and beyond, so the action is at once momentary, eternal and complete.
Pogorelich´s interpretations are indescribably beautiful and irresistible. His sound is pure poetry and extremely emotional, yet entirely unsentimental. We are hypnotized by his new and radical naturalness, by his nobility, dignity, severity and sobriety; transporting us to states of wonder, ecstasy, meditation, redemption, love and compassion.
Sound and Silence, Life and Death, Time and Space; collapse into the Eternal moment of Infinity.
Almost funny how dynamics and tempo markings are not respected at all in Ondine. He is smashing the keyboard when it is marked pp, slows down when Ravel indicates "without slowing"... and moreover, they got the story of Ondine totally false, she isn't talking to her father at all.
You must be so fun at parties
@@clintclint7673 Lol sorry not sorry to share a different point of view.
Also make sure you call me next time you're in a party watching a piano masterclass!
The composer is never asked, only the player knows truth!
Without the player, there would be no composer. BS!
the truth doesnt exist mister BS.. ..just beauty,, authenticity and purity of soul.. nobility.. horowitz has the highest.. then pogorelich.. pollini.. perahia.. and the rest. Youre right player deserves so much credit..they bring life to silent dead paper music. BS!
Obviously the great Martha Argerich was right. He's a genius. But he doesn't care. Only the music is important for him.
no big deal.. its obvious he is a genius since his first record, and argerich stopped supporting pogorelich in public when he needed the most.. she is not a genius.
yes, music and the scene is the most vital thing for pogorelich, the rest is nothing.
@@chopin4321 How did she stop supporting him? In what way?
@@mackiceicukice not a public word of support when ivo lost his wife.. his inspiration.. his public.. his record company.. ivo needed infinite love.. was left alone.. audiences are cruel.. look maria callas when made few mistakes.. european cruel audiences and critics hurt her.. only in japan she received a bit of consideration.. of love.. in her last recitals.. love japanese culture for that.. wise.. musical.. callas was weak.. ivo is very strong.. thats why he is the best pianist alive.. only second in history to horowitz..this is so full of beauty.. force.. genius.. almost superhuman.. th-cam.com/video/SVxWAO9w-oA/w-d-xo.html
@@chopin4321 Why would Argerich make her words of support public ? I wasn't aware of their friendship. I don't think people "left him alone" , it's just that his playing has become extremely idiosincratic. I am sure he has some close friends and devoted fans no matter what. Still I feel sorry for him because he seems quite detached from the world and not very happy
@@mackiceicukice envy and cowardness.. happened with callas, ivo is stronguer, argerich is just a good amateur looking like a genius, , but cant understand real genius.