Oh. Yoshi-P actually asked all non-japanese streamers to turn on japanese captions if possible as it helps the developers (Most not really good with English) to see people's feedback when they play through the game.
Can we appreciate how godlike this translator is? She actually takes notes and keeps the translation smooth. She’s the MVP on international interviews.
@@k.vn.k No those are volunteers; Aimi does the live translations for the letter from the producers, but she was off for a bit. You would have seen her translating the last Live Letter on the actual stream w/ Yoshi etc. - we were happy to have her back!
Fun Fact : this isnt a Final Fantasy interview. The moment Yoshi-P allow Asmongold and Rich to interview him. This immediately became the greatest Allcraft Stream of all time.
One of the first things I thought when I seen the original video post, was these guys are really new to the game. It is really cool that he chatted with them. And it was really nice to instead of hearing 2 guys asking ff expansion questions when they are new to the systems anyway. To have them ask more general questions on his experience and the industry as it is. It was fun to watch.
And that's what went wrong with WoW. You used to have devs, GMs and even higher ups at Blizzard actually play the damn game. In the past few years, it was more and more obvious that this was no longer the case. That's why I have hope that that new head they put in place who does clearly play WoW at a decent level brings us enough change in thinking behind the scenes to make the game at least somewhat good again. On the other hand, Corporate may have heard people feel it's an issue nobody at Blizzard seems to play the game anymore, so put him in place as a PR move.
Anyone else notice Aimi correct, during translation, rich mentioning nopixel instead of noclip? That she was familiar enough with that to correct in real time is really cool.
I feel the translator also familiar with the game as she asked yoshi-p himself if she heard wrong. (I don't understand japanese but i just get that impression from context clue)
@@harizwain4969 She's been one of the main live translators for fan fests, live letters and interviews for many years. So yeah, she mostly knows her stuff.
@@Gharon It's the best way to handle the lost-in-translation issue. A trusted, knowledgeable translator is a second line of defense against LOI issues. And in this case, if I'm not wrong, they have a stenographer taking dictation from Yoshi-P because the translator keeps referencing a screen to her right. Which makes sense, since Yoshi's answers aren't exactly short! LoL Of course they have an entire team to handle translated interviews. They're pretty fucking thorough at FFXIV!
I love how Asmon and Rich didn't talk about Endwalker or the job classes and just talked about mmo philosophy lol. Yoshi must be thinking "Yes finally someone who doesn't want to talk about Endwalker or jobs" lol
In later video Asmon clarified that he's not yet familiar enough with the game to ask proper in-depth questions so it was natural decision to talk about general game development stuff and genre as whole.
@@vicantirasumovski4375 It's for the better, since most of the other interviews touched on that stuff already. Asmon and Rich covered completely different ground than anyone else
The developer: Enjoys playing his game. Enjoys player feedback and updates the game accordingly. Requests that you play a healthy variety of games not just theirs. Requests that other developers stop being antagonistic to their customers and be more transparent. This guy is compassion incarnate.
Imagine a dev that cares as much about the gamers playing the game as they care about the game that they're making. That's Yoshi-P. Look at those deep laugh lines. That's a man that enjoys life! How do you not love that!?!
YoshiP being aware of Asmon's Mom doesn't surprise me. He is very in tune with the going in on prominent members of the community. I believe it was the Media Tour leading to Shadowbringers; MrHappy (a well known XIV content creator) had lost his dad not long before and YoshiP gave his condolences to that situation.
it's not hard to do, to care or come across as caring for who you're meeting or speaking to. In fact, it's easier to really care, than to fake it - unless you're a sociopath.
I love their interview so much because they're not FF14 veterans, they didnt go in asking about new classes or those very specific topics. They just went in to chill and talk about games. EDIT: Holy crapp, how didn't I figure out Yoshi-P's jacket is a Notorious B.I.G. reference!?
And what better person to do it with than yoshi p. I knew this is how it is going to turn out even before this video was released and I was so hyped for this video
because asmon might turn away those juicy contracts and scare off those investors and new players with his "misogynistic behavior" and "toxic white male" stigma
@@DracoSuave That's what everyone hates. The performative aspect. It's fake, pandering. There are droves of people that accept the fact that there are different strokes for different fokes. I don't care when non heterosexuality is presented as a basic fact of life because not everyone being hetero IS a basic fact of life, but I hate it when it's shoved into my face or into my favorite characters that the only way they can be 'good' is if they're gay.
I'm so impressed every time I see Yoshi-p. Interviews like this, the No-Clip documentary, the fanfest. He feels so much more involved, engaged, comfortable, and just...genuine than the public face of most games. He cares about the game, it shows, and it connects with players. All that and a great game director, too. Square is very fortunate to have him.
It helps that he is on the board of directors at squenix, so he has the political leverage to do and say what he wants without having to worry about the "suits".
@@Aernoth1 When one of "the suits" wears chunky edgelord rings, has a modern hairstyle, _cosplays_ as jobs from the game he's head of and isn't afraid to connect with the players on pretty much any level... it's special, man. He's a good apple. I doubt anyone else could've turned FFXIV into a success.
There's a lot of nuances in Japanese language, for those who don't understand Japanese, there are various way to refer to yourself, based on your position to the listener. Yoshi-p always refers to himself as "Boku", which is in many ways is equal if not lesser to his listeners. There's a lot of humility in his language use. Though normal in Japanese professional language especially talking to high value clients/customers, it's still a humbling experience seeing him speak to Asmond and Rich in that way.
But when it comes to criticize bad developpers of MMO (1:00:04) he says "kaihatsu koitsura" (開発こいつら) instead of a more neutral like "kaihatsu no hitotachi" which shows that he is looking to them from an upper position. So it shows that he indeed is humble when speaking to Asmon and Rich, but isn't fool and assumes that developpers of a game that don't play their game doesn't deserve customer respect. This part is a lot emphazised with the end "nokayo" (のかよ).
there are various degrees of formality in Japanese language, here he had the opportunity to be quite informal since he is with fellow gamers, and not speaking to a board of directors in a company meeting or a room full of investors... he's speaking to his real audience: Asmon, Rich and everyone that plays or has considered playing his game, showing how down to earth he is
Regarding streamer priviledge: When I played, I didn't have people running around following me, obviously. But I had no problem queuing to dungeons, and I als found people helping me or explaining mechanics there. Like I had an entire group of players who were obviously experienced and knew the dungeon come back for me because I got lost. I kinda just lagged behind after the boss watching cinematic or loot (don't remember) and didn't know where to go. And rather than clearing the dungeon as fast as possible they actually came back for me and guided me to the next area. And that's just one example - they were generally very positive and that made me want to do the same when I was more experienced, and I led the way around more labyrinthian dungeons if the tank didn't know where to go, just running a bit ahead and letting him do the pulls. And again, no one ever had a problem. I think I met an actually toxic player in a dungeon ONCE. TLDR: your streamer privilege experience is not that different from common experience. If anything, it may be slighly worse actually.
Agree. The biggest difference of having streamer privileges with the overall experience is : 1.- You'll get a lof of gifts like minions and mounts. 2.- A lot of gil on trades 3.- No need to buy gear cause high chance someone is gonna give it to you 4.- Short queues as a dps. And that's it. I have more than 70 days played in the game, never encounter some asshole in game (at most 1 in a city when asmon start playing the game), specially not in dungeons.
Yeah when I first started playing I was around level 10 and a Max level character walked up to me and started a trade giving me way better gear. Then said in chat "looks like you need this way more than I do, have fun playing FFXIV". Because of that I do the same when I have spare gear or food items to give to new players. Also my monk glamour is that of Rock Lee from Naruto. I'm constantly getting tells in the chat about how they like my glam or random players giving me the thumbs up and saying "believe it!". Overall the community is just always friendly or at least social enough that if you put in the effort to socialize too that you meet a lot of nice players.
my experience is very similar to all the comments below, friendly people, willing to help and explain, have been given free minions randomly in the Gold Saucer. Not a streamer or anything.
It seems that there is a big 'pay it forward' culture in XIV. When I really got back into XIV during Stormblood 4.1 utter strangers went out of their way to help me and because of that I feel like doing the same for new people or people who ask for help if they are struggling with something.
And people thought I was joking when I said Yoshi-P should come on Allcraft. They were like all: 'No, first is going to be Koji because that is easier to organize".
@@redictor yeah being a professional translator isnt just knowing a few languages. Im sure yoshi-p knows how to speak english (probably with an accent) and understands it very well but professional translator knows the nuances of languages. Especially for japanese, the translation are bit different than western to western language that often share similar roots.
Yeah, she's an amazing translator - she's been the translator for FFXIV for at leasr as long as I've been playing (4.5) and probably longer. It means she's also super aware of FFXIV-specific terminology, which really helps with hard on the fly translating like this.
I think my favorite part of this interview is at the end when YoshiP is like "maybe we can go get drinks sometime and talk shop", which is basically what you do with your coworkers in Japan. I also really appreciate that they asked questions that YoshiP doesn't usually get asked, particularly around an expansion release.
Compare this to Preach interview with Ion. It's a massive difference, Ion was so incredibly stale, Yoshi-P on the other hand is extremely enthusiastic.
Exactly! That enthusiasm showing through an interview that had to be translated both ways which shows how good Aimi Tokutake is at her job, is even more amazing.
@@DarthSoto78 actually, it was mostly just one way. Yoshi-P clearly understands English extremely well (and has, at times, given direct responses in pretty clear English). He's even been to Blizzcon in the past.
You should watch his interview with Drak. There was a point where Drak brought up a point about a job's flow and Yoshi-P, instead of explaining why he couldn't do it, paused, thought... 'I'll bring that up with the battle team.'
The reason the new ultimate was delayed was because the internal "Ultimate testers" were busy with their actual jobs during the pandemic and 5.3-5.55/6.0 release to test it. The 8 players who are the "testers" for ultimate to prove its clearable and working content do it as a side thing. They all have seperate roles. One may be an enviroment designer, one may make plant pots etc etc. They openly said the new ultimate is ready to go just needs final testing.
Yea they've said in the past something along the lines of, our normal testing team isn't quite good enough to tune ultimates as tight as we want them. Keep in mind that's the team they use to test all the savage/extreme fights...so that tells you a lot about how they go designing ultimates. I wasn't aware it was other people in the company that do actual roles at the company though. But it makes sense. Get your best 8, design a fight that's tough as nails.
I always like to imagine that this team probably had internal jokes about not being allowed to join any player prog static day 1 release to avoid looking like "carrying" the party
As Asmondgold himself has said. "World of Warcraft used to be a game that made you want to waste your time. Now it's just a game that wastes your time". I think FF is the game that makes you want to waste your time now.
@@DarthSoto78 I never said that. Im agreeing with you. What im saying is that WoW forces you to waste your time on the game but FF doesn’t. You can commit your time on whatever you do it or not, you won’t get penalized.
This is the third interview ive watched with Yoshi P and i think i can safely say his energy and enthusiasm is infectious! Im sure that if they werent reminded they had a time schedule he could have sat there and talked about video games for hours with these guys, I admire that he is so comfortable with the strengths of FFXIV that he actively encourages the playerbase to come and take what they want from his game, but to go and enjoy other games as well.
@@TurinTurambar200 That is some damn strong dedication! Honestly you can see that he is tired but i think that just makes me respect him all the more, im sure he would love to lay down and have a nap, but instead he is discussing not only his own game, but the landscape of gaming in general & he seems to be having a good time doing it! Big props to Yoshi P, especially for doing 32 hours of interviews, this is the level of communication an MMO needs, where on the other hand it seems like creators need to twist WoW devs arms and jump through hoops to get an interview.
Preach in lue of YoshiP request over on Jesse Cox interview stream, we also kindly ask that you also make sure to turn on Japanese Translation on your vids and stream so that NA, European streams can be viewed and understood in the Japanese Community as well by the Devs who can’t all understand English. As the Devs according to YoshiP does watch players Streams and Vids of FF14.
I miss the old days when GM's could show up in game and personally SEE the raid fight bugging. Or help us in game and talk to us. Just chatting with them gave me this feeling that there were actual people who CARED about my time in the game. And worked to make it as great as possible. Losing GM's in game and seeing them replaced with Blizzards robotic automatic response system is just cold blooded and often wastes your time leaving you with no resolution to your issues.
100% this. I had a quest bug outside Ironforge in Vanilla and having a GM pop in next to me, set up traces, and ask me to reproduce it? That was a fantastic feeling to have someone right there to help fix things. And then followed up with me as a human instead of canned responses. Losing GM's was the worst.
Yep. Had a quest bug in Blade’s Edge Mountain (vanilla TBC) and put in a ticket, 3 min later they said solved, try again. It was still bugged, so a GM popped in and stayed with me chatting until I actually completed the quest. That’s obviously been a long time ago!
They've saving money at the expense of reputation and player sentiment. That's a fine trade-off to make when you're peak Blizzard and people love you, but now that the shiny has rubbed off and they've done that trade dozens of times over, all the little hurts add up to a lot of disappointment. Blizzard made that trade too often and for too long. Used to be I'd buy anything they published just because I knew I could trust Blizzard to make the best game they knew how - if I didn't like it, it wouldn't be for lack of trying. Now I'm not even trusting Blizzard to do a decent remaster. They've sold franchises like Diablo and Warcraft down the river so often I don't even trust them to do justice to their own legacy content.
Yeah I remember back in BC/Wrath I somehow got my hunter stuck under the dock in Ogrimmar. The gm was shocked to find me there and wanted to know how did I manage it. I had no clue, I was just fishing then pop, I was under the dock. He got me out and we started talking about hunter's pets. He was a really chill guy but had a nasty habit of trolling Barrens chat. Sad to think he probably got fired so Kotick could get another yacht.
Wow used to be the same as FF14... There was a time in Cataclysm where i had been gone for a while... I logged in, My friend whispered me "Come raid with us" within a few weeks i was full Heroic geared and i usually finished the expansion with these guys.(heroic back then current mythic). and i can say to preach, as a wow player, as a non streamer or youtuber that the community in FF14 is probably the nicest community in any mmo, for better or worse.
1.0 used to be like current WoW... Squeenix/FFXIV leadership was resting on their laurels and not listening to the playerbase that closed/open beta tested and gave feedback. And then it FAILED, got review bombed by the big western game journos and lost a grand majority of it's initial playerbase. Then they brought in YoshiP and the DevTeam got a swift kick in the pants so as to fix 1.X... while developing 2.0 in secret. It's been a wild ride since then.
I’m a nobody playing FFXIV mostly via duty & party finders. I’ve seen some negative players but those were rare occasions. I’d say 98% of my nobody experiences in FFXIV are positive.
I think I've had maybe 2 bad interactions 400 hours in and one of them was because of bots. That's it, most people just stay quiet and play type gg and dip.
The most negatuve experience I had was a tank doing terrible pulls in a dungeon, caused our party to wipe a few times, then when we reached the entrance of the final boss, he claimed all the loot and left the duty. It pissed me off sooooo much, but the other players and I waited patiently for another tank to join just to clear the final boss.
He's such a likable person, seems so well reflected on so many aspects of the game and the people playing it. I really enjoy this interviews with him - and seriously, sitting down for how many? 36 of those? As a game producer in the probably last sprint before release? If a media person did that, yeah, happens, but he's doing it himself. As the producer. Taking interest and actually showing empathy for Asmon and the situation with his mom in Hospital was great, shows he and the team really are not just in the game or business, but the people who support it too.
Nice to see Preach's reaction to this. What class from Yoshi-P to ask about Asmon's Mom. Such a great interview overall. If only we'd been able to have interviews like this with Ion instead of having to address the issues that were being put in the game for no reason. This interview really highlights the positivity in FFXIV compared to "other" games.
I think you hit on something big here. If WoW keeps going on the path it's been on where it's WoW or nothing, this is what will kill it. The ability to stop playing FF and take time off, then come back and only take a few weeks to catch up is pretty liberating...
It's so refreshing to hear a game dev talk like an actual person. I mean I don't understand Japanese so maybe the translator was helping make things feel a bit more casual and natural, but it's still so, so nice.
34:06 I remember trying WoW a couple years ago and I saw a Dwarf Paladin wearing this grey stone-looking armour that I thought looked awesome. I asked where he got it and he told me I was annoying and not to message him. I quit a week or so later...
Holy moly, I'm glad people didn't react like that when I saw them running around with Benediction (basically a legendary Priest Staff from classic wow) and whispered them that I respected them for having it.
Jeez you guys are fast! But it's interesting seeing Yoshi Ps view on games and mmo design. It's a nice change of pace to say the least. Glad how preach went in and said only first 10 minutes, and ended up watching the whole thing
Preach, your experience with the community is actually pretty typical. The players I bump into at random act the same as the ones I see on your stream. While there are a few bad eggs, sure, most people are just really friendly in this game. And heck, that opening from Yoshi P was so wholesome. It's one thing to comment on a man's hair after the interview. It's another altogether to have followed him (or at least researched him) enough beforehand to know what he's going through before the interview even begins. Really shows he cares.
Yeah, I got recruited into a free company and mainly just chatted with them instead of doing anything cooperative. Then when I visited the company house after almost a month I was greeted by the owner outside. It was just a catgirl in a bikini chilling in a pool with a lalafell and with a bodyguard standing guard outside the pool. I made a good impression by kneeling to her, and then joined them in the pool in full dragoon armor. The best thing about it is that it didn't even feel the least bit weird or out of place. It's just how the game and the players are and everyone accepts it.
Yoshi P is LEGENDARY. Imagine a dev interviewing people who love his game, and who have brought a lot of community to the game. It makes sense right? Cannot believe how much better Asmon has interfaced with FF devs/community in less than a year, than he did with WoW dev/community over 15 years. It's actually amazing.
the best part of the interview is "Do these other developers even play their own game?" so many people have been asking that question its funny hearing yoshi-p say that.
its funny but scary at the same time, before you could make the argument of oh you are just a nobody you have no idea what happens in game developement, but if the fucking head dev of FF14 gives the same remark then it shows you have fucked up
@@harold926 He's not just the head dev of FFXIV either. Basically those devs got called out by one of the higher ranking members of SE's board of directors.
BLM? Oh it's the easiest Job in the game... but the skill ceiling to master is ridiculous... I main BLM ... And it's one of the most mobile casters in the game at 80.
@@TheBongReyes Exactly. You have to completely change your rotation half the time just to do the fight correctly, delaying abilities 20-30 seconds sometimes just so you have it for movement and not more dps.
I only dare to play BLM in those dungeons and raids I have cleared and known very well. You don’t want to be caught off guard half casting spell with boss abilities on your way. Knowing when and where to stand at every boss phase is the key and that what makes blm super hard. Also, when I played BLM I often marked myself to let other casters follow me because I usually know what’s next in boss phases.
Pretty funny to have watched the interview already then hearing preach talk about some stuff he thinks and just pepelaughing because yoship will bring up the same stuff down the interview.
Asmon, Rich and Yoshida ending the interview with a genuine smile on their faces, imagine that happening with wow developer interviews instead of that dreaded feeling of confusion and disappointment
The idea of MMOs are dying always baffled me because it only came up as a serious topic when WoW is failing. There have always been so many amazing MMOs and communities clamoring to try theirs because its soo fun. People just didnt want to listen or try. MMOs never been dead.
@@k.vn.k which is concerning about Ashes of Creation because Steven said he wouldn't do a normal playthrough experience of his own game. (or at least try to)
I've seen flaming 2 or 3 times in 5 years of playing the game. A healer that doesn't DPS or a tank that pulls single packs isn't worth a toxicity strike on your account. When people are mad they either deal with it or leave the group silently and take the deserter penalty. I've seen my share of discourteous behaviors, particularly in large instances, but someone going full toxic and flaming other people rarely happens. At least not in-game. (If you pug the PF groups with mandatory discords all bets are off.)
After 570 hours I've hardly encountered any toxic players in my server (Crystal - Diabolos), and I've only really seen toxic players in gwiber mount farms and occasionally alliance raids for some reason. But they usually get called out and leave or stop pretty quickly. I've heard some servers are more toxic than others, but generally the community is really positive and patient for newbies or returners.
go give Eureka a try, the shout chat ranges from Barrens level chat, to full blown toxic blowout when it comes to people trying to arrange pull timers on NM fates :P
Having worked for a Japanese company myself, sometimes I feel the pain for FFXIV's marketing team because of the sudden increase of new players. Their new players target bar will be set higher next year now... :')
You could have the complete new player experience if you started a second character that you played off stream that no one knew was you. Then you could see what the non-streamers feel. Which is different, but it's still generally good.
One thing is for sure: The queue times for Damage Dealers would be way higher, especially for 8 man content and the ARR MSQ dungeons :D I actually had to wait over 40 minutes for some 8 man MSQ trials before, that's insane.
In regards to 19:35, I took Yoshida's reaction while considering all his comments about how he's actually pretty hardcore and normally has to design content to be way below his personal skill level so that the majority of players will be able to enjoy it, so he might be quietly excited by this demand for them to design even more hardcore content.
I've never understood why some people felt they couldn't play other games. Perhaps it's something more prevalent at higher levels because I have tried other games while still playing WoW - GW2, Rift, FFXIV, etc - and this was years ago. And other people have also done this and some maintain multiple games at the same time. The difference now, I think, is that "influencers" are bigger and people tend to follow what they do. It's almost like some people needed permission to like other games which is really weird to me.
WoW has been specifically designed for the past few years to force players to log in every day to keep up with the constant grind. If you miss a day, you're a day behind. It's a really poisonous design philosophy that seems predatory on its best day.
@@PanicRolling I think there's also the rush rush mentality at play too. I personally do what I want when I want but I am super casual and focus on open world and questing rather than group content for the most part. I'm not going to farm anything other than herbs and ore 😂. But I do think Blizz needs to rethink their game design. Times have changed, as have how people play and what players want. They need to remove time gates within a patch and let people go through it how they want to. The focus should be on more and better evergreen content to keep people playing after that.
@@revannia Yeah you can't have an attitude like that anymore and expect it to still work for your game. Gaming has become a universal hobby now, and the options these days are so varied that its just not okay to try and hog people to your one game anymore. Its like asking someone to only watch one show forever. People will become resentful.
On the topic of designing easier content as a hardcore player ~ 29:07, iirc the savage/extreme fights are (or used to be) kind of the early development versions of the fights that they then tune down for Normal content, which is why Savage is actually called "Version 0" or to use a term more closer to FF, "Type-0" in the Japanese version.
I guess I was ahead of the curve since the beginning. I’ve always bounced between different MMOs since the early days, because I LOVE MMOS in general. I think the reason a lot of WoW players have traditionally been bound and gagged as Blizzard’s love slave, is that they started WoW when they were young (maybe in junior high or high school), and that’s all they needed because it was polished. I’m older, so I was playing Everquest, Dark Age of Camelot, Anarchy Online, City of Heroes and eventually FF 11…all before WoW released. I was heavy into FF11 starting at it’s launch in 2002, and then WoW came out. All my friends were talking about it ( I didn’t care about the Warcraft universe in general), so I got the collector’s edition at launch because it was a hyped new MMO. And let me tell you is was……pretty good. It didn’t blow my socks off like it did with all the MMO virgins (as a matter of fact, lots of experienced players were making fun of how streamlined and easy mode it was, compared to the ball busting aspects of traditional MMOs of the time). I played it till level 60, unsubbed and went back to the actual hard content of the FF11 Chains of Promathia quest line (took me months to finally finish it and a get a feeling of achievement that no other MMO has given me since). When I would get pissed off at another hard roadblock in FF11, I would unsub and go back to WoW for a few months until I got bored again. Eventually in 2010 FF11 started consolidating servers, so I had to give up my character name because someone already had it on the target server I had to go to, so I quit altogether. Went back to WoW off and on until FF14 1.0 and then 2.0 released, bounced between FF14 and WoW for years until WoW just screwed me over too many times and I quit it altogether except for expansion launches. It’s amazing that t took this long for WoW players to realize you didn’t have to play just one MMO until the end of time. Welcome to a bigger universe.
A minor thing that actually says a lot about YoshiP is the way he addresses himself in Japanese. He's 48 but still uses "boku" instead of the more masculine adult "ore" or the gender neutral but more formal "watashi" that most adult men would use. Technically "boku" is a less formal version of "watashi" but its most often used by younger guys who usually swap to "ore" in their mid to late teens to show people how grown up they are now. The fact that he hasn't done that implies he doesn't believe he is "grown up" enough to use "ore" and that he's still kind of a kid at heart. I don't know if that is 100% the reason why in his case but tbh I'd rather have someone like that in charge of making a fantasy mmo than a by the numbers type.
Quite a number of adult Japanese men use 'boku', the term has nothing to do with age. 'Ore' is considered very casual, thus it'll be regarded as very rude to be using it in a public interview such as this. On the other hand, using 'watashi' can come off as very stoic and stiff. We can interpret that using 'boku' shows that YoshiP doesn't wanna appear as a very uptight person.
Literally was sitting here thinking about trying ultimate raids Bc I saw a weapon I wanted while yoshida was talking lmao. Seeing the rewards of content and then wanting to try it is absolutely true
Look honestly.. after seeing this I will never play Wow again. That’s not an over exaggeration. I will always support these people. After watching this and the composers speech on cancer I can never go back.
He's had other streamers tell him to "fuck off" from games? That's incredibly stupid of them. Just do what Zepla did. She was probably the biggest FFXIV streamer before all this craziness and when Asmon started saying he'd come over she immediately started interacting with him. To the point that she's been on Allcraft twice, once as an emergency guest. Which means she seems to have made friends with Asmon and Rich, in addition to expanding her audience quite a bit. I just can't understand a streamer being so incredibly stupid as to think increasing the audience of a game they play is a bad thing.
@@TheMaxCloud Preach didn't name names and even if I knew who it was I wouldn't either for the exact reason of not wanting to put a target on anybody. Especially over something so unimportant.
I had a random lvl 80 join my partyfinder group and helped me grind unicorns for the arr meta mount. Nicest and chillest dude ever. Also never missed getting stepped on by iceheart lol
Yoshi P gets it. I would give anything to have this attitude leading the WoW team!! “Do these developers even play their own games?” I fucking love this guy!!
Regarding your initial point, I feel like there is truth to the fact that the community is better. I enjoy MMOs but am mostly a solo type of player. Started playing 5 months ago...got 2 jobs to 80 and one to 50...queued up with a lot of ppl and did many raids without an FC. I've yet to find a group that even came close in anger or toxicity to what I was experiencing in WoW. You probably dont have the time, but to try this for yourself, i suggest playing off stream on an alt char. Maybe i'm still new (5 months isn't that long in the life of an MMO), but that has been my experience so far. Love the vids with your MSQ, Preach. Keep them coming ^_^
Seeing Yoshi talking shop about MMOs in general instead of just spouting generic info on a certain job or whatever has been fantastic and far more than I expected to see coming out of the media tour. All these new people and fresh perspectives entering the community has been absolutely fantastic and I hope the trend upwards continues.
The sprout mechanic is what gives people a great new player experience. If people see that icon, any time you make a mistake or even pre fights in dungeons, everyone is quick to politely explain that you did wrong or offer to help in anyway. That same mechanic in WoW would be a giant target for group kicks and being bullied.
I remember my first dungeon, having the sprout 🌱 above my head and immediately being asked if I was a genuine new player. Was a great introduction to the community and experience. This was perhaps a month or two before the big wow exodus so sprouts were still kinda rare.
As new player myself, one thing that is different for me is when I'm on arr, I found some issue with the game, that is actually fixed in heavenwards, then found issue in hw then fixed in stormblood, then I realized maybe some of the community just are so sure the problem will be fixed in the next expansion when they got bigger budgets
I also believe Yoshi knew how they were going to receive some of the things he said. Essentially that he was sweet-talking to them. But a lot of it seemed properly genuine too.
One thing that I feel doesn't get enough respect about ff14 is that the story is very very mature and respects the player's intelligence. I love the nuance and complexity of the msq
The integrity of this company ended up being the deciding factor that pushed me over the edge when it came to buying that 1,000 dollar Y'Shtola doll. I want to prop her up in my office, so she can remain a memento to all the good times I had in FFXIV, and just how much the community and developer was invested in the quality of the game. The heavy price-tag will just server to add some weight and gravity to the lofty ideals and idealism it represents. So when folks are like "Wow, you spent a grand on a doll? It's not just a doll. It's a symbol of a legacy. Also, it'll appreciate in value, lol. The Nier dolls are already twice their initial price.
Oh. Yoshi-P actually asked all non-japanese streamers to turn on japanese captions if possible as it helps the developers (Most not really good with English) to see people's feedback when they play through the game.
Granted, auto caption is...bad
@@TempestaDominus Still gives a rough idea about their experience
@@TempestaDominus oh it's terrible for sure, but its able to catch the broader ideas they speak about
Can we appreciate how godlike this translator is? She actually takes notes and keeps the translation smooth. She’s the MVP on international interviews.
Yea, Aimi is the GOAT. She's also active with the community on Twitter.
Aimi is a darling of the FF community, she's been doing translations for awhile and she's just fun.
Is she also the translator from FFXIV discord?
@@k.vn.k No those are volunteers; Aimi does the live translations for the letter from the producers, but she was off for a bit. You would have seen her translating the last Live Letter on the actual stream w/ Yoshi etc. - we were happy to have her back!
Not to mention has a lovely voice
Fun Fact : this isnt a Final Fantasy interview. The moment Yoshi-P allow Asmongold and Rich to interview him. This immediately became the greatest Allcraft Stream of all time.
I don't even watch All-Craft, but I totally agree.
One of the first things I thought when I seen the original video post, was these guys are really new to the game. It is really cool that he chatted with them. And it was really nice to instead of hearing 2 guys asking ff expansion questions when they are new to the systems anyway. To have them ask more general questions on his experience and the industry as it is. It was fun to watch.
Yup, exactly!
Even more since there are a huge lot of new players with the same doubts... Was very interesting for me
It took 30 seconds for Yoshi-P to show he is more involved in the community than the WoW devs.
Mike followed that comment up with saying Ion asked about his hair transplant before their interview
I mean... When you set the bar that low....
@@jolt187 off stream. Its all about optics. And Blizzard absolutely sucks at it. Don’t lie to yourself.
He was probably also involved in WoW more than the WoW team themselves being a hardocore MMO player.
did you mean: "woke devs"
This was the middle finger to WoW that Asmon and Rich deserved to give.
FF: “we hope your mom is doing well.” WoW: “that guy’s an asshole.”
Great point.
FF brings its players up. Warcraft makes its own hate, breeded over years.
I mean what do you expect when you call developers mentally challenged for years
@@fynale2049 You mean calling a spade a spade?
@@fynale2049 For them to stop making the same mistakes for almost 15 years, and not listening to the feedback given how about.
" We're players ourselves.. " It shows. FF14 is not without it's flaws,, but you can see and feel the passion and love that goes into this game.
100% I can feel the developers hands on every piece of the game.
IIRC, Yoshida himself is damn good Black mage by example.
@@ThoA45 Some how, i can very well imagine him being a high end player.
@@tranquildragonsden5640 You don't have to, he has top parses for black mage.
And that's what went wrong with WoW.
You used to have devs, GMs and even higher ups at Blizzard actually play the damn game.
In the past few years, it was more and more obvious that this was no longer the case.
That's why I have hope that that new head they put in place who does clearly play WoW at a decent level brings us enough change in thinking behind the scenes to make the game at least somewhat good again.
On the other hand, Corporate may have heard people feel it's an issue nobody at Blizzard seems to play the game anymore, so put him in place as a PR move.
That translater should get a pay raise. The amount of info and emotion she translates is, to me, amazing.
Her work is amazing indeed.
Anyone else notice Aimi correct, during translation, rich mentioning nopixel instead of noclip? That she was familiar enough with that to correct in real time is really cool.
Forreal, remembering a 4 year old video and correcting on the fly, boss levels of translation.
I feel the translator also familiar with the game as she asked yoshi-p himself if she heard wrong. (I don't understand japanese but i just get that impression from context clue)
@@harizwain4969 She's been one of the main live translators for fan fests, live letters and interviews for many years. So yeah, she mostly knows her stuff.
@@Gharon It's the best way to handle the lost-in-translation issue. A trusted, knowledgeable translator is a second line of defense against LOI issues.
And in this case, if I'm not wrong, they have a stenographer taking dictation from Yoshi-P because the translator keeps referencing a screen to her right.
Which makes sense, since Yoshi's answers aren't exactly short! LoL
Of course they have an entire team to handle translated interviews. They're pretty fucking thorough at FFXIV!
@@harizwain4969 She was asking if Origin was a separate game from Ultima Online, and YoshiP answered that Origin is the development company
can’t believe preach is reacting to asmon content how the tables have turned
The circle of life
The darkest timeline and the best timeline
You mean how the turn tables
Preach reacts to asmon interviewing 14 director is not something I was expecting like 6 months ago
@@Fulldre if the wow devs gave a shit about player feedback even a little bit, we'd all still be playing WoW.
I love how Asmon and Rich didn't talk about Endwalker or the job classes and just talked about mmo philosophy lol. Yoshi must be thinking "Yes finally someone who doesn't want to talk about Endwalker or jobs" lol
In later video Asmon clarified that he's not yet familiar enough with the game to ask proper in-depth questions so it was natural decision to talk about general game development stuff and genre as whole.
@@vicantirasumovski4375 It's for the better, since most of the other interviews touched on that stuff already. Asmon and Rich covered completely different ground than anyone else
The developer:
Enjoys playing his game.
Enjoys player feedback and updates the game accordingly.
Requests that you play a healthy variety of games not just theirs.
Requests that other developers stop being antagonistic to their customers and be more transparent.
This guy is compassion incarnate.
Imagine a dev that cares as much about the gamers playing the game as they care about the game that they're making.
That's Yoshi-P.
Look at those deep laugh lines. That's a man that enjoys life! How do you not love that!?!
@@trial_with_an_error9687 I always knew Yoshida was a primal... Then again I would totally be part of that religion
YoshiP being aware of Asmon's Mom doesn't surprise me. He is very in tune with the going in on prominent members of the community. I believe it was the Media Tour leading to Shadowbringers; MrHappy (a well known XIV content creator) had lost his dad not long before and YoshiP gave his condolences to that situation.
he lurking in twitter
yeah this blew me away. shows me just how much they (the Devs) respect their community.
it's not hard to do, to care or come across as caring for who you're meeting or speaking to. In fact, it's easier to really care, than to fake it - unless you're a sociopath.
@@velocityprodns speaking from experience?
@Jay Bee This. Professionals who do interviews have PA's that research the other party.
I love their interview so much because they're not FF14 veterans, they didnt go in asking about new classes or those very specific topics. They just went in to chill and talk about games.
EDIT: Holy crapp, how didn't I figure out Yoshi-P's jacket is a Notorious B.I.G. reference!?
And what better person to do it with than yoshi p. I knew this is how it is going to turn out even before this video was released and I was so hyped for this video
I really.. really need that hoodie.
He is certainly suffering from success.
He wore it on the final day of FanFest too. It’s fantastic.
Man they are super classy giving thoughts about his mom
Yoshi P went home that day and wondered why Blizzard thinks Asmon is an asshole
Because he didn't put He/Him or 🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈 in his twitter bio
because asmon might turn away those juicy contracts and scare off those investors and new players with his "misogynistic behavior" and "toxic white male" stigma
@@rimurutempest117 Ironicly, Yoshi-P and FF14 is woke af, but not performatively so.
@@DracoSuave That's what everyone hates. The performative aspect. It's fake, pandering. There are droves of people that accept the fact that there are different strokes for different fokes. I don't care when non heterosexuality is presented as a basic fact of life because not everyone being hetero IS a basic fact of life, but I hate it when it's shoved into my face or into my favorite characters that the only way they can be 'good' is if they're gay.
@@DracoSuave so true. Just the other day some people were praising the LGBTQ+ community in game in the NN. Im not even LGBTQ+ but still great to see
I'm so impressed every time I see Yoshi-p. Interviews like this, the No-Clip documentary, the fanfest. He feels so much more involved, engaged, comfortable, and just...genuine than the public face of most games. He cares about the game, it shows, and it connects with players. All that and a great game director, too. Square is very fortunate to have him.
It helps that he is on the board of directors at squenix, so he has the political leverage to do and say what he wants without having to worry about the "suits".
@@Aernoth1 When one of "the suits" wears chunky edgelord rings, has a modern hairstyle, _cosplays_ as jobs from the game he's head of and isn't afraid to connect with the players on pretty much any level... it's special, man. He's a good apple. I doubt anyone else could've turned FFXIV into a success.
There's a lot of nuances in Japanese language, for those who don't understand Japanese, there are various way to refer to yourself, based on your position to the listener. Yoshi-p always refers to himself as "Boku", which is in many ways is equal if not lesser to his listeners. There's a lot of humility in his language use. Though normal in Japanese professional language especially talking to high value clients/customers, it's still a humbling experience seeing him speak to Asmond and Rich in that way.
But when it comes to criticize bad developpers of MMO (1:00:04) he says "kaihatsu koitsura" (開発こいつら) instead of a more neutral like "kaihatsu no hitotachi" which shows that he is looking to them from an upper position. So it shows that he indeed is humble when speaking to Asmon and Rich, but isn't fool and assumes that developpers of a game that don't play their game doesn't deserve customer respect. This part is a lot emphazised with the end "nokayo" (のかよ).
@@rodolphebertolini4746 yeah the koitsura (instead of a neutral 開発さん and the 'nokayo' really nails home how annoyed he is at this.
there are various degrees of formality in Japanese language, here he had the opportunity to be quite informal since he is with fellow gamers, and not speaking to a board of directors in a company meeting or a room full of investors... he's speaking to his real audience: Asmon, Rich and everyone that plays or has considered playing his game, showing how down to earth he is
Regarding streamer priviledge:
When I played, I didn't have people running around following me, obviously. But I had no problem queuing to dungeons, and I als found people helping me or explaining mechanics there. Like I had an entire group of players who were obviously experienced and knew the dungeon come back for me because I got lost. I kinda just lagged behind after the boss watching cinematic or loot (don't remember) and didn't know where to go. And rather than clearing the dungeon as fast as possible they actually came back for me and guided me to the next area. And that's just one example - they were generally very positive and that made me want to do the same when I was more experienced, and I led the way around more labyrinthian dungeons if the tank didn't know where to go, just running a bit ahead and letting him do the pulls. And again, no one ever had a problem. I think I met an actually toxic player in a dungeon ONCE.
TLDR: your streamer privilege experience is not that different from common experience. If anything, it may be slighly worse actually.
Agree. The biggest difference of having streamer privileges with the overall experience is :
1.- You'll get a lof of gifts like minions and mounts.
2.- A lot of gil on trades
3.- No need to buy gear cause high chance someone is gonna give it to you
4.- Short queues as a dps.
And that's it. I have more than 70 days played in the game, never encounter some asshole in game (at most 1 in a city when asmon start playing the game), specially not in dungeons.
Yeah when I first started playing I was around level 10 and a Max level character walked up to me and started a trade giving me way better gear. Then said in chat "looks like you need this way more than I do, have fun playing FFXIV".
Because of that I do the same when I have spare gear or food items to give to new players.
Also my monk glamour is that of Rock Lee from Naruto. I'm constantly getting tells in the chat about how they like my glam or random players giving me the thumbs up and saying "believe it!".
Overall the community is just always friendly or at least social enough that if you put in the effort to socialize too that you meet a lot of nice players.
@@Kanamon22 and coming over as a WoW streamer does put you at risk for harrassment from the fanboys
my experience is very similar to all the comments below, friendly people, willing to help and explain, have been given free minions randomly in the Gold Saucer. Not a streamer or anything.
It seems that there is a big 'pay it forward' culture in XIV. When I really got back into XIV during Stormblood 4.1 utter strangers went out of their way to help me and because of that I feel like doing the same for new people or people who ask for help if they are struggling with something.
And people thought I was joking when I said Yoshi-P should come on Allcraft. They were like all: 'No, first is going to be Koji because that is easier to organize".
I have not seen anyone bring this up, but Aimi Tokutake's translating was amazing during this interview.
i really respect professional translators that can keep track of everything being said in interviews like this
She did an excellent job.
@@redictor yeah being a professional translator isnt just knowing a few languages. Im sure yoshi-p knows how to speak english (probably with an accent) and understands it very well but professional translator knows the nuances of languages. Especially for japanese, the translation are bit different than western to western language that often share similar roots.
Yeah, she's an amazing translator - she's been the translator for FFXIV for at leasr as long as I've been playing (4.5) and probably longer. It means she's also super aware of FFXIV-specific terminology, which really helps with hard on the fly translating like this.
I think my favorite part of this interview is at the end when YoshiP is like "maybe we can go get drinks sometime and talk shop", which is basically what you do with your coworkers in Japan.
I also really appreciate that they asked questions that YoshiP doesn't usually get asked, particularly around an expansion release.
Compare this to Preach interview with Ion.
It's a massive difference, Ion was so incredibly stale, Yoshi-P on the other hand is extremely enthusiastic.
You can tell his passion by how involved his answers are. No short, terse responses. He has lots to say, and he lets it all out.
Ion is like a robot, i agree with what asmond said about him. Hes a great raid designer but putting him in charge of overall game design is a mistake.
Exactly! That enthusiasm showing through an interview that had to be translated both ways which shows how good Aimi Tokutake is at her job, is even more amazing.
@@DarthSoto78 actually, it was mostly just one way. Yoshi-P clearly understands English extremely well (and has, at times, given direct responses in pretty clear English). He's even been to Blizzcon in the past.
You should watch his interview with Drak. There was a point where Drak brought up a point about a job's flow and Yoshi-P, instead of explaining why he couldn't do it, paused, thought... 'I'll bring that up with the battle team.'
The reason the new ultimate was delayed was because the internal "Ultimate testers" were busy with their actual jobs during the pandemic and 5.3-5.55/6.0 release to test it. The 8 players who are the "testers" for ultimate to prove its clearable and working content do it as a side thing. They all have seperate roles. One may be an enviroment designer, one may make plant pots etc etc. They openly said the new ultimate is ready to go just needs final testing.
Yea they've said in the past something along the lines of, our normal testing team isn't quite good enough to tune ultimates as tight as we want them. Keep in mind that's the team they use to test all the savage/extreme fights...so that tells you a lot about how they go designing ultimates. I wasn't aware it was other people in the company that do actual roles at the company though. But it makes sense. Get your best 8, design a fight that's tough as nails.
@@jonathanborba9280 and they refuse to release an Ultimate before they have been able to clear it internally. Without any kind of cheating.
I always like to imagine that this team probably had internal jokes about not being allowed to join any player prog static day 1 release to avoid looking like "carrying" the party
@@jonathanborba9280Ty c
As someone who plans on finally getting into hard core content, I'm totally fine with the delay
Can’t wait for Asmon’s reaction to this vid
Rich reacts to Asmond reacts to Preach reacts to...
@@ThatGenericCanadian zepla? maybe she ll react to this one
big difference between wow and ff14 is that wow wants to take all the time you have+ more, and FF wants to take all the time you give them.
As Asmondgold himself has said. "World of Warcraft used to be a game that made you want to waste your time. Now it's just a game that wastes your time". I think FF is the game that makes you want to waste your time now.
@@DarthSoto78 and FF doesn’t force you to waste time. For WoW I gotta do dailies, weekly, etc just to catch up.
@@dacbiet I never said FF wastes your time. I said it makes you want to waste your time.
@@DarthSoto78 I never said that. Im agreeing with you. What im saying is that WoW forces you to waste your time on the game but FF doesn’t. You can commit your time on whatever you do it or not, you won’t get penalized.
@@dacbiet My bad. Yes I'm in agreement with you.
I literally rewatched this interview to get preach's thoughts on it. I am so enjoying the perspective of WoW players when they experience ff14.
my favorite guy, watching my two best dudes talking to my favorite dev who makes my current favorite game. what a treat
Yoshi P's smile washed away my anxiety and cured my depression.
Cured my explosive diarrhea
@@fartimusmaximus8710 hahaha that name too
This is the third interview ive watched with Yoshi P and i think i can safely say his energy and enthusiasm is infectious! Im sure that if they werent reminded they had a time schedule he could have sat there and talked about video games for hours with these guys, I admire that he is so comfortable with the strengths of FFXIV that he actively encourages the playerbase to come and take what they want from his game, but to go and enjoy other games as well.
He also has not been getting any sleep
He did about 32 hours worth of interviews for the media tour.
@@TurinTurambar200 That is some damn strong dedication! Honestly you can see that he is tired but i think that just makes me respect him all the more, im sure he would love to lay down and have a nap, but instead he is discussing not only his own game, but the landscape of gaming in general & he seems to be having a good time doing it! Big props to Yoshi P, especially for doing 32 hours of interviews, this is the level of communication an MMO needs, where on the other hand it seems like creators need to twist WoW devs arms and jump through hoops to get an interview.
Preach in lue of YoshiP request over on Jesse Cox interview stream, we also kindly ask that you also make sure to turn on Japanese Translation on your vids and stream so that NA, European streams can be viewed and understood in the Japanese Community as well by the Devs who can’t all understand English. As the Devs according to YoshiP does watch players Streams and Vids of FF14.
Preach NEEDS to watch the NoClip interview. He'll get a lot of his questions answered
There's another interview where YoshiP talks more about his life and carrer as well, it's great.
He said he will
I miss the old days when GM's could show up in game and personally SEE the raid fight bugging. Or help us in game and talk to us. Just chatting with them gave me this feeling that there were actual people who CARED about my time in the game. And worked to make it as great as possible. Losing GM's in game and seeing them replaced with Blizzards robotic automatic response system is just cold blooded and often wastes your time leaving you with no resolution to your issues.
100% this. I had a quest bug outside Ironforge in Vanilla and having a GM pop in next to me, set up traces, and ask me to reproduce it? That was a fantastic feeling to have someone right there to help fix things. And then followed up with me as a human instead of canned responses. Losing GM's was the worst.
Yep. Had a quest bug in Blade’s Edge Mountain (vanilla TBC) and put in a ticket, 3 min later they said solved, try again. It was still bugged, so a GM popped in and stayed with me chatting until I actually completed the quest. That’s obviously been a long time ago!
They've saving money at the expense of reputation and player sentiment. That's a fine trade-off to make when you're peak Blizzard and people love you, but now that the shiny has rubbed off and they've done that trade dozens of times over, all the little hurts add up to a lot of disappointment.
Blizzard made that trade too often and for too long. Used to be I'd buy anything they published just because I knew I could trust Blizzard to make the best game they knew how - if I didn't like it, it wouldn't be for lack of trying.
Now I'm not even trusting Blizzard to do a decent remaster. They've sold franchises like Diablo and Warcraft down the river so often I don't even trust them to do justice to their own legacy content.
Yeah I remember back in BC/Wrath I somehow got my hunter stuck under the dock in Ogrimmar. The gm was shocked to find me there and wanted to know how did I manage it. I had no clue, I was just fishing then pop, I was under the dock. He got me out and we started talking about hunter's pets. He was a really chill guy but had a nasty habit of trolling Barrens chat. Sad to think he probably got fired so Kotick could get another yacht.
Wow used to be the same as FF14... There was a time in Cataclysm where i had been gone for a while... I logged in, My friend whispered me "Come raid with us" within a few weeks i was full Heroic geared and i usually finished the expansion with these guys.(heroic back then current mythic). and i can say to preach, as a wow player, as a non streamer or youtuber that the community in FF14 is probably the nicest community in any mmo, for better or worse.
Well it was around Cataclysm/MoP that FFXIV was remade and Yoshi-P asked the team to look at WoW for ideas regarding what people actually like.
1.0 used to be like current WoW... Squeenix/FFXIV leadership was resting on their laurels and not listening to the playerbase that closed/open beta tested and gave feedback. And then it FAILED, got review bombed by the big western game journos and lost a grand majority of it's initial playerbase. Then they brought in YoshiP and the DevTeam got a swift kick in the pants so as to fix 1.X... while developing 2.0 in secret. It's been a wild ride since then.
I’m a nobody playing FFXIV mostly via duty & party finders. I’ve seen some negative players but those were rare occasions. I’d say 98% of my nobody experiences in FFXIV are positive.
Bro same
Also solo nobody, also same
I think I've had maybe 2 bad interactions 400 hours in and one of them was because of bots. That's it, most people just stay quiet and play type gg and dip.
This is completely unrelated but can I say your profile pic is ingenious.
Legit thought I had an eyelash on my screen.
The most negatuve experience I had was a tank doing terrible pulls in a dungeon, caused our party to wipe a few times, then when we reached the entrance of the final boss, he claimed all the loot and left the duty. It pissed me off sooooo much, but the other players and I waited patiently for another tank to join just to clear the final boss.
i watch this video live on rich's stream, and then i watch it AGAIN in asmon channel, now i must watch this too KEKW
Yoshi said it would be great if TH-camrs could add a Japanese subtitles so the developers could understand all the videos
This makes the Ion interviews look like interrogations
He's such a likable person, seems so well reflected on so many aspects of the game and the people playing it. I really enjoy this interviews with him - and seriously, sitting down for how many? 36 of those? As a game producer in the probably last sprint before release? If a media person did that, yeah, happens, but he's doing it himself. As the producer.
Taking interest and actually showing empathy for Asmon and the situation with his mom in Hospital was great, shows he and the team really are not just in the game or business, but the people who support it too.
Nice to see Preach's reaction to this. What class from Yoshi-P to ask about Asmon's Mom. Such a great interview overall. If only we'd been able to have interviews like this with Ion instead of having to address the issues that were being put in the game for no reason. This interview really highlights the positivity in FFXIV compared to "other" games.
I think you hit on something big here. If WoW keeps going on the path it's been on where it's WoW or nothing, this is what will kill it. The ability to stop playing FF and take time off, then come back and only take a few weeks to catch up is pretty liberating...
It's so refreshing to hear a game dev talk like an actual person. I mean I don't understand Japanese so maybe the translator was helping make things feel a bit more casual and natural, but it's still so, so nice.
34:06 I remember trying WoW a couple years ago and I saw a Dwarf Paladin wearing this grey stone-looking armour that I thought looked awesome. I asked where he got it and he told me I was annoying and not to message him. I quit a week or so later...
Holy moly, I'm glad people didn't react like that when I saw them running around with Benediction (basically a legendary Priest Staff from classic wow) and whispered them that I respected them for having it.
Jeez you guys are fast! But it's interesting seeing Yoshi Ps view on games and mmo design. It's a nice change of pace to say the least. Glad how preach went in and said only first 10 minutes, and ended up watching the whole thing
Preach, your experience with the community is actually pretty typical. The players I bump into at random act the same as the ones I see on your stream. While there are a few bad eggs, sure, most people are just really friendly in this game.
And heck, that opening from Yoshi P was so wholesome. It's one thing to comment on a man's hair after the interview. It's another altogether to have followed him (or at least researched him) enough beforehand to know what he's going through before the interview even begins. Really shows he cares.
Yeah, I got recruited into a free company and mainly just chatted with them instead of doing anything cooperative. Then when I visited the company house after almost a month I was greeted by the owner outside. It was just a catgirl in a bikini chilling in a pool with a lalafell and with a bodyguard standing guard outside the pool. I made a good impression by kneeling to her, and then joined them in the pool in full dragoon armor.
The best thing about it is that it didn't even feel the least bit weird or out of place. It's just how the game and the players are and everyone accepts it.
Wow streamers learning why ffxiv players praise yoshii P so much.
I'm simultaneously transfixed by the WOW players seeing the differences, and also sad that all the WOW players are like trauma victims
1:00:58 that's gotta be one of the most clipped parts i've seen of the stream
Yoshi P is LEGENDARY. Imagine a dev interviewing people who love his game, and who have brought a lot of community to the game. It makes sense right? Cannot believe how much better Asmon has interfaced with FF devs/community in less than a year, than he did with WoW dev/community over 15 years. It's actually amazing.
the best part of the interview is "Do these other developers even play their own game?"
so many people have been asking that question its funny hearing yoshi-p say that.
its funny but scary at the same time, before you could make the argument of oh you are just a nobody you have no idea what happens in game developement, but if the fucking head dev of FF14 gives the same remark then it shows you have fucked up
@@harold926 He's not just the head dev of FFXIV either. Basically those devs got called out by one of the higher ranking members of SE's board of directors.
This man is the embodiment of politeness and passion. What a fantastic interview.
I mean that explains why BM is such a big brain class to master. Yoshi has to tweak it to be hard for himself to play lol.
BLM? Oh it's the easiest Job in the game... but the skill ceiling to master is ridiculous... I main BLM ... And it's one of the most mobile casters in the game at 80.
I’m a blm main… easy job but extremely hard to master it. BLMs has to know all the fight mechanics to be effective.
@@TheBongReyes Exactly. You have to completely change your rotation half the time just to do the fight correctly, delaying abilities 20-30 seconds sometimes just so you have it for movement and not more dps.
I only dare to play BLM in those dungeons and raids I have cleared and known very well. You don’t want to be caught off guard half casting spell with boss abilities on your way. Knowing when and where to stand at every boss phase is the key and that what makes blm super hard.
Also, when I played BLM I often marked myself to let other casters follow me because I usually know what’s next in boss phases.
I imagine yoshi-p walking into the combat scenario offices after finishing a savage tier and saying "HARDER. "
As a non streamer who started 1.5 months ago, the community has been great in general. Definitely prefer FFXIV community then my last MMO (WoW).
Big thumbs up to Aimi who has dome an amazing translation piece
Yoshi-P looks like someone nice to talk to with a beer or two
Shoutout to Yoshi-P's translator, that is some absolutely expert translating right there.
That look on Asmond's face when Rich is asking the communication question is absolutely priceless!
Pretty funny to have watched the interview already then hearing preach talk about some stuff he thinks and just pepelaughing because yoship will bring up the same stuff down the interview.
Asmon, Rich and Yoshida ending the interview with a genuine smile on their faces, imagine that happening with wow developer interviews instead of that dreaded feeling of confusion and disappointment
The idea of MMOs are dying always baffled me because it only came up as a serious topic when WoW is failing. There have always been so many amazing MMOs and communities clamoring to try theirs because its soo fun. People just didnt want to listen or try. MMOs never been dead.
"They fixed a wolf in the Barrens and now the boss is doing mechanics from MC" LMAO :D
When
And How?
@@TheMaxCloud
It's a joke.
Watched this with a smile all the way through
I think the best moment surely was at the 1:00:50 mark or so. Really cool talk about the game.
The look from preach, asmon and rich face are hilarious when the Aimi said "do the Devs play their owe game" ?
Yes because it’s such a strange concept in western devs particularly in mmorpg.
@@k.vn.k which is concerning about Ashes of Creation because Steven said he wouldn't do a normal playthrough experience of his own game. (or at least try to)
Punch to the throat for Blizz
@@Goujiki
Who is even optimistic about that game
I haven't had any asshole players on my 250 hour journey in ff14 so far, so I'd say the community is pretty good
I've seen flaming 2 or 3 times in 5 years of playing the game. A healer that doesn't DPS or a tank that pulls single packs isn't worth a toxicity strike on your account. When people are mad they either deal with it or leave the group silently and take the deserter penalty. I've seen my share of discourteous behaviors, particularly in large instances, but someone going full toxic and flaming other people rarely happens. At least not in-game. (If you pug the PF groups with mandatory discords all bets are off.)
Same; 3 months, I've seen about 3 players leave / afk during a duty
After 570 hours I've hardly encountered any toxic players in my server (Crystal - Diabolos), and I've only really seen toxic players in gwiber mount farms and occasionally alliance raids for some reason. But they usually get called out and leave or stop pretty quickly. I've heard some servers are more toxic than others, but generally the community is really positive and patient for newbies or returners.
go give Eureka a try, the shout chat ranges from Barrens level chat, to full blown toxic blowout when it comes to people trying to arrange pull timers on NM fates :P
Happened only once in my 7 years.
Having worked for a Japanese company myself, sometimes I feel the pain for FFXIV's marketing team because of the sudden increase of new players. Their new players target bar will be set higher next year now... :')
You could have the complete new player experience if you started a second character that you played off stream that no one knew was you. Then you could see what the non-streamers feel.
Which is different, but it's still generally good.
One thing is for sure: The queue times for Damage Dealers would be way higher, especially for 8 man content and the ARR MSQ dungeons :D
I actually had to wait over 40 minutes for some 8 man MSQ trials before, that's insane.
In regards to 19:35, I took Yoshida's reaction while considering all his comments about how he's actually pretty hardcore and normally has to design content to be way below his personal skill level so that the majority of players will be able to enjoy it, so he might be quietly excited by this demand for them to design even more hardcore content.
I've never understood why some people felt they couldn't play other games. Perhaps it's something more prevalent at higher levels because I have tried other games while still playing WoW - GW2, Rift, FFXIV, etc - and this was years ago. And other people have also done this and some maintain multiple games at the same time.
The difference now, I think, is that "influencers" are bigger and people tend to follow what they do. It's almost like some people needed permission to like other games which is really weird to me.
It comes down to the fact that for years WoW has been the first and only game of quite a few people.
WoW has been specifically designed for the past few years to force players to log in every day to keep up with the constant grind. If you miss a day, you're a day behind. It's a really poisonous design philosophy that seems predatory on its best day.
@@PanicRolling I think there's also the rush rush mentality at play too. I personally do what I want when I want but I am super casual and focus on open world and questing rather than group content for the most part. I'm not going to farm anything other than herbs and ore 😂.
But I do think Blizz needs to rethink their game design. Times have changed, as have how people play and what players want. They need to remove time gates within a patch and let people go through it how they want to. The focus should be on more and better evergreen content to keep people playing after that.
@@revannia yep. 100% agree.
@@revannia Yeah you can't have an attitude like that anymore and expect it to still work for your game. Gaming has become a universal hobby now, and the options these days are so varied that its just not okay to try and hog people to your one game anymore. Its like asking someone to only watch one show forever. People will become resentful.
The SE and Blizz contrast is so amazing to me. I still can’t believe this, very cool.
I actually cried when yoshida-san mentioned asmon's mom
Love the new Borders to your windows.
On the topic of designing easier content as a hardcore player ~ 29:07, iirc the savage/extreme fights are (or used to be) kind of the early development versions of the fights that they then tune down for Normal content, which is why Savage is actually called "Version 0" or to use a term more closer to FF, "Type-0" in the Japanese version.
They really did have an All Craft with Yoshi-P after all
"aw you little cutie, you're such a cutie" 😂😂😂
Just watched the full interview, guess I'll watch Preach watching it now lol...what is my life
we've lost control of ourselves
I guess I was ahead of the curve since the beginning. I’ve always bounced between different MMOs since the early days, because I LOVE MMOS in general. I think the reason a lot of WoW players have traditionally been bound and gagged as Blizzard’s love slave, is that they started WoW when they were young (maybe in junior high or high school), and that’s all they needed because it was polished. I’m older, so I was playing Everquest, Dark Age of Camelot, Anarchy Online, City of Heroes and eventually FF 11…all before WoW released.
I was heavy into FF11 starting at it’s launch in 2002, and then WoW came out. All my friends were talking about it ( I didn’t care about the Warcraft universe in general), so I got the collector’s edition at launch because it was a hyped new MMO. And let me tell you is was……pretty good. It didn’t blow my socks off like it did with all the MMO virgins (as a matter of fact, lots of experienced players were making fun of how streamlined and easy mode it was, compared to the ball busting aspects of traditional MMOs of the time). I played it till level 60, unsubbed and went back to the actual hard content of the FF11 Chains of Promathia quest line (took me months to finally finish it and a get a feeling of achievement that no other MMO has given me since). When I would get pissed off at another hard roadblock in FF11, I would unsub and go back to WoW for a few months until I got bored again.
Eventually in 2010 FF11 started consolidating servers, so I had to give up my character name because someone already had it on the target server I had to go to, so I quit altogether. Went back to WoW off and on until FF14 1.0 and then 2.0 released, bounced between FF14 and WoW for years until WoW just screwed me over too many times and I quit it altogether except for expansion launches. It’s amazing that t took this long for WoW players to realize you didn’t have to play just one MMO until the end of time. Welcome to a bigger universe.
Yoshi's smiling is infectious
Rich will be mid quest conversation chat bubble and stall for 2 hours no exaggeration.
A minor thing that actually says a lot about YoshiP is the way he addresses himself in Japanese. He's 48 but still uses "boku" instead of the more masculine adult "ore" or the gender neutral but more formal "watashi" that most adult men would use. Technically "boku" is a less formal version of "watashi" but its most often used by younger guys who usually swap to "ore" in their mid to late teens to show people how grown up they are now. The fact that he hasn't done that implies he doesn't believe he is "grown up" enough to use "ore" and that he's still kind of a kid at heart. I don't know if that is 100% the reason why in his case but tbh I'd rather have someone like that in charge of making a fantasy mmo than a by the numbers type.
Quite a number of adult Japanese men use 'boku', the term has nothing to do with age.
'Ore' is considered very casual, thus it'll be regarded as very rude to be using it in a public interview such as this. On the other hand, using 'watashi' can come off as very stoic and stiff. We can interpret that using 'boku' shows that YoshiP doesn't wanna appear as a very uptight person.
48??????
Boku is pretty much the standard for relaxed formal conversation nowdays.
Literally was sitting here thinking about trying ultimate raids Bc I saw a weapon I wanted while yoshida was talking lmao. Seeing the rewards of content and then wanting to try it is absolutely true
I hope Preach gets to interview Yoshi P someday, maybe next expansion.
Look honestly.. after seeing this I will never play Wow again. That’s not an over exaggeration. I will always support these people. After watching this and the composers speech on cancer I can never go back.
you should play whatever you find fun
He's had other streamers tell him to "fuck off" from games? That's incredibly stupid of them. Just do what Zepla did. She was probably the biggest FFXIV streamer before all this craziness and when Asmon started saying he'd come over she immediately started interacting with him. To the point that she's been on Allcraft twice, once as an emergency guest. Which means she seems to have made friends with Asmon and Rich, in addition to expanding her audience quite a bit.
I just can't understand a streamer being so incredibly stupid as to think increasing the audience of a game they play is a bad thing.
Let's be honest , zepla is one of asmons shards . Literally the same eyes , accent and everything . 🤣
Who was?
I mean... Kinda cruel to point at them cause its like sending a horde of rabid dogs against them
@@TheMaxCloud Preach didn't name names and even if I knew who it was I wouldn't either for the exact reason of not wanting to put a target on anybody. Especially over something so unimportant.
Wanting Benediction is literally what got me into raiding. Good times.
I had a random lvl 80 join my partyfinder group and helped me grind unicorns for the arr meta mount. Nicest and chillest dude ever.
Also never missed getting stepped on by iceheart lol
Yoshi P gets it. I would give anything to have this attitude leading the WoW team!!
“Do these developers even play their own games?”
I fucking love this guy!!
Regarding your initial point, I feel like there is truth to the fact that the community is better.
I enjoy MMOs but am mostly a solo type of player. Started playing 5 months ago...got 2 jobs to 80 and one to 50...queued up with a lot of ppl and did many raids without an FC. I've yet to find a group that even came close in anger or toxicity to what I was experiencing in WoW.
You probably dont have the time, but to try this for yourself, i suggest playing off stream on an alt char.
Maybe i'm still new (5 months isn't that long in the life of an MMO), but that has been my experience so far.
Love the vids with your MSQ, Preach. Keep them coming ^_^
Seeing Yoshi talking shop about MMOs in general instead of just spouting generic info on a certain job or whatever has been fantastic and far more than I expected to see coming out of the media tour. All these new people and fresh perspectives entering the community has been absolutely fantastic and I hope the trend upwards continues.
The sprout mechanic is what gives people a great new player experience. If people see that icon, any time you make a mistake or even pre fights in dungeons, everyone is quick to politely explain that you did wrong or offer to help in anyway. That same mechanic in WoW would be a giant target for group kicks and being bullied.
I remember my first dungeon, having the sprout 🌱 above my head and immediately being asked if I was a genuine new player. Was a great introduction to the community and experience. This was perhaps a month or two before the big wow exodus so sprouts were still kinda rare.
Rich Despairge
As new player myself, one thing that is different for me is when I'm on arr, I found some issue with the game, that is actually fixed in heavenwards, then found issue in hw then fixed in stormblood, then I realized maybe some of the community just are so sure the problem will be fixed in the next expansion when they got bigger budgets
25:50 ohhh the foreshadowing 😂😂
1:01:04 When Preach went "BWAHAHAHAHAHA" I felt that :)
I also believe Yoshi knew how they were going to receive some of the things he said. Essentially that he was sweet-talking to them. But a lot of it seemed properly genuine too.
One thing that I feel doesn't get enough respect about ff14 is that the story is very very mature and respects the player's intelligence. I love the nuance and complexity of the msq
Mike reacting to a Zack video? I must have entered bizarro world.
Out of my 350 or so hours at least, I can count on one hand the amount of players I have run into in dungeons/trials that weren't being kind :D
29:30 I was not expecting Barb and Panga to suddenly be mentioned here. Has Mike been playing SMM2 on stream? Because I would LOVE to see that.
yes if the internal team cannot beat it they do not release it including the Ultimate fights
The integrity of this company ended up being the deciding factor that pushed me over the edge when it came to buying that 1,000 dollar Y'Shtola doll.
I want to prop her up in my office, so she can remain a memento to all the good times I had in FFXIV, and just how much the community and developer was invested in the quality of the game. The heavy price-tag will just server to add some weight and gravity to the lofty ideals and idealism it represents.
So when folks are like "Wow, you spent a grand on a doll? It's not just a doll. It's a symbol of a legacy. Also, it'll appreciate in value, lol. The Nier dolls are already twice their initial price.