Derek Penslar - Zionism vs Anti-Zionism

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ม.ค. 2025

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  • @MedhatNagy.
    @MedhatNagy. 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    1:34 Why do they have this right? especially when this "right " comes at the expense of others
    expelling the Palestinians and forming a manufactured jewish majority in Palestine was a core part of zionism since the beginning it has nothing to do with recent changes in Israeli society and gov

    • @eitanboskovitz5942
      @eitanboskovitz5942 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      jews are an ethnic group, and every group has the right of self determination. where is the proof of your second statement ?

    • @MedhatNagy.
      @MedhatNagy. 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@eitanboskovitz5942 He said they have a right to to a home land aka in this context a state in Palestine where the vast majority of the population in this land -over 95%- were not jews( the Yishuv population in 1882 were around 3% of the population) even after immigrations from Europe and Russia in 1947 they were less than third of the population - assuming that immigrants have the right to form a state-
      about your second question There's plenty of proof from Herzl, Jabotinsky, Ben-Gurion, Irgun and Menachem Begin and many more you can do your research there's a lot of work on this topic since you don't consider the 750k+Palestinians who got ethnically cleansed and denied the right to return after as proof

    • @superscopesix
      @superscopesix 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@MedhatNagy. I agree with you completely, but I also think the presenter in this vid was just explaining Zionism includes a belief in that right, but he was not necessarily saying the right is justified or morally sound. However your question is totally valid.

    • @AbuSous2000PR
      @AbuSous2000PR 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@eitanboskovitz5942
      DNA tests can easily resolve prove if Jews are indigenous to Palestine as Palestinians. I think DNA testing can resolve the conflict with ZERO violence. Sadly, such tests have been banned in the only democracy in the Middle East

    • @eitanboskovitz5942
      @eitanboskovitz5942 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@MedhatNagy. Yes, the jews are indigenous to the land of Israel. There was never a point in history where there weren't jews in Israel, even when they were massacred by the local Arab population (1929 Hebron massacre for example). In Jerusalem they were a majority. You say migrations from Europe and Russia but fail to mention migrations of jews from Arab countries. They were exactly a third of the population, and they were offered the worse half of what was left of mandatory Palestine (you fail to mention that Jordan is occupying 77% of mandatory Palestine). If immigrants have no right of self determination then the Arab population in mandatory Palestine doesn't have it either, since most of them immigrated to Israel in the 20's to work.
      You make it look like you are well versed but leave out a lot of important facts that don't fit your narrative.

  • @AbuSous2000PR
    @AbuSous2000PR 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Some people.. expect us Palestinians to love (rather not hate)... those who replaced and dispossessed us, Professor!😎

    • @eitanboskovitz5942
      @eitanboskovitz5942 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Some people.. Expect jews to love (rather not hate)... Those who aligned themselves with Hitler and did everything in their power to wipe the jews from Israel

    • @עבודהגלילית
      @עבודהגלילית 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      the Palestinians have a right to a land, but have made very bed choices over the years like supporting Hitler against the winning powers, and then keep choosing violence the conduct their struggle for Independence, like destroying the Oslo accord peace process with bus bombings and the recent atrocities in October 7. if they would for example only take military targets their struggle their struggle would have the moral ground

    • @AbuSous2000PR
      @AbuSous2000PR 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@עבודהגלילית
      Therefore in a nutshell..u expect me the Palestinian to approve of those who replaced & dispossessed me... I am sure u know how ridiculous that sounds..correct? No freeman would do such a thing
      About Hitler: ur aware that Mufti reached out to Hitler LAST to avoid imminent Nakba..at the time Palestinians didn't believe him. ur aware that Zionist Jews reached out for alliance with Hitler..10 months before Mufti did: just google: Stern Lehi letter to Hitler

    • @End-Result
      @End-Result 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@עבודהגליליתEverything you said there is totally false

  • @heightwidth
    @heightwidth 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Palestinian cause didn’t start in the 1970s 🤦🏽‍♂️

    • @GreatBird
      @GreatBird 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      To be fair I think he is referring to the widening knowledge of the Palestinian cause around the world. I don't think he meant it to mean the cause as expressed by the people themselves. That has obviously been ongoing since the early 1900s.

    • @heightwidth
      @heightwidth 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@GreatBird Yeah he twisted it as part of propaganda 💁🏽‍♂️

  • @davidhabart5323
    @davidhabart5323 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    In all various forms described here, Zionism has always been essentially a self-defense project. Given the prevalent anti-Semitism in the world, it remains a valid aim.

    • @GreatBird
      @GreatBird 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      How can you call it a self-defense project when the very purpose of it was to establish a Jewish state in a place where people were already living? They realized that in order to have a majority Jewish state they would necessarily need to remove the majority Palestinian population already living there. This has been from the very start an offensive project of relocation and replacement in that land. The Palestinian reaction to that is only natural.

    • @TheGoglMogl
      @TheGoglMogl 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GreatBird All states in history were estalished in a place where "people were already living".