The Saliba-Van Dijk debate has been put to bed…
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Van Dijk has only lose 3 home games at the Kop ,that alone is unbelievable stat
Others won more trophies. But I truly believe Van Dijk’s current level is better than any centre back in history, excluding Van Dijk 2018/19.
What hurts him is the trophies when it comes to debates but 18/19 Van Djik, I've never seen a CB come close. More people walked on the moon than dribbled Van Djik
In this season Saliba has been suspect when he was left alone . saliba is imo Top 5 CBs itw but VVD is arguably top 5 CBs ever he doesn't have anything infront of him to protect too.
Left alone in the Euros aswell?
Ever 🙈🙈🙈🙈
Arsenal have 9 men behind the ball sometimes, But when you mention that to Arsenal fans they start to cry and call you mean LOL
@@Aigiraneza1 Say the same thing about Saliba, Konate embarrasses him every time, All those lost aerial duels cost France and it was mostly Saliba's fault in the defence. Don't act like Saliba wasn't a fraud for France mate 😂
@ Saliba was in the best 11 for the Euros and france didnt concede a open play goal until the final BUT SALiBa WaS A FrAUD😭💀💀
Van dijk vs saliba in the same sentence is blasphemous
I swear bro didn't get former UCL player of the tournament and get 2nd place in ballondor ranking to get get compared to a bottle job kingmh
@@BillyBilly-k8q why are you acting like Saliba can't achieve the same greatness as VVD? Isak absolutely embarrassed VVD in their game this season. Isak is top 3 number 9's right now.
Saliba better than that overrated vvd
@@Adam-i4l4uShow me the clip? Isak shot from outside the box on an angle😂😂
Arsenal fans haven’t got a clue yous should really feel stupid for even comparing
There was never a debate. Arsna channels embarrassing themselves daily.
Saliba isn't even better than Gabriel
Forget comapring him to Van Dijk, he hasn't even been Arsenal's best defender this season. Gabriel has been a monster
Saliba has played at Arsenal for about 3 years, and achieved nothing. The debate shouldn't even exist but the delusion of some chuff monster Arsenal fans started it in the first place
Put that blame on the owners for not complimenting his effort with the needed forward, for the last 2 years, Saliba was better than van dirk, we had the best defense in the league for the past 3 years bar this one, Virgil wouldn't have won nothing without Salah and mane in the team, if Virgil was that good, he should have won the euros with Holland, sit it out, Saliba is right up there with him at his age already and the Skye is only the beginning for him,
@@dollcomproThen do the same for same for VVD and blame FSG for not going from strength to strength by investing heavily for Klopp after they won the PL and CL. They literally held off on rebuilding their midfield for too long when Fab and Hendo were both cooked. Skewing the context to suit your argument isn't it, son.
@ whether you like it or not, arsenal has had the best defense in the league for 2 seasons, that's a fact and it is because of Saliba, Saliba as a defender is the conversation here and he's been better than vvd for 2 seasons straight before this one
@ "for 2 seasons" yet Liverpool lead the league this season in GA. People presenting FACTS dont' have to say "that's a fact" to make themselves look desperate.
@ 22/23, 23/24, vvd couldn't lace Saliba's shoes and that's a fact, best defence in the league for both seasons, Euros team of the yr, Valon d'or of the yr or didn't vvd play in those tournaments too, no? sit it out and Saliba was even 21-22, at that age, vvd was washing cars in some farmers league
Konate is better than saliba never mind van dijk
Yup def
For Saliba to be considered better than Van Dijk, he'll have to win some major trophies. We all know what thing he needs to leave to win those trophies, don't we? 😏😂😂
People saying,it's because of yesterday's game?!?..last season,should have really settled it. VVD was playing alongside a 20 year old Quansa for most of the season,Konate was injured a lot,and so was Gomes,so was trent,and Robertson was out for 3 months.add to that Kelleher played 10 Premier league games,because Alison was injured, and then we had Endo playing his first season in front of the back four at Number 6...and VVD held his own all season. On the other hand,Saliba had a settled back four,Raya played every single minute, and Arsenal had a 100M player protecting their back line. I rest my case.
That’s not even true … even though I agree vvd is better, when did we have a settled back four last year get back to me with the facts aswell …
@Rk-xx1sg ok, so Gabrielle and Saliba didn't play every single game as a pairing last season?!?. And currently you are crying because you have too many defenders in your team. VVD is a different kettle of fish,go and check every stat for a defender last season, and VVD comes out on top..remember alongside a 20 year old Quansa.
@Rk-xx1sg Saliba isn't even better than Gabrielle, let alone being talked about alongside Virgil Van Dijk
@@sammyboy12345 I never questioned vvd why you getting tribal … we did not have a settled back 4 last year our literal ever present issue only got settled this season by a 17 year old. Vvd is him but saliba being as great as he is at his age still has his limits… he’s 3 seasons into his prem career he’s not perfect.
@@sammyboy12345 Who’s we and crying about too many defenders?.
I’m guessing you’re making an assumption, but based on what I don’t get it at all…
Everyone can have an offday against Gordon and Isak, they´re absolute class. Both scored vs VVD several times. From a Pool fan
Vvd Is waaaaaay better. Do what is ur point
He scored from long range, what could they do?
@liverpool-YNWA-mwmi28 not letting him shoot
@@Jan-roderickNoFaceNoCasebruh, how can you predict that a man will shoot from 25 odd yards
Just so over the top isn’t it. VVD is obviously a better player but he is also what 7-8 years older?
There was a debate?😭who in their right mind was debating this😂
Nobody… but plenty of gooners did 😂😂😂
Konate is much better than saliba!!
If you have to wait for one game in the middle of the season before you bring up a debate then the debate isn’t over. Saliba’s ceiling is higher than Van Djik
LOL wow. Van Dijk will already be in the best of all time conversation for the PL. Saliba has miles and miles to go of years of consistency and trophies to even get in the discussion.
@@philholl4don’t mind this weirdo honestly. Look at his previous comment btw. This dude is wishing death on people btw. No joke that’s how much of a child he is.
He does not have a higher ceiling you're just making things up
Saying a debate has been put to bed after one game is so reactionary
ok but over any time frame you choose its the same result....saliba cant touch van dijk and never will!
Virgil was just at Celtic at 23, Saliba in the TOTY
There was never a debate. The disrespect to van dijk is crazy
@@Fafonovavardy was playing for fleetwood at that age and hes still gonna retire with 1 premier league medal more thn arsenals whole squad
@@FafonovaHenry was playing in the USA at 32 for the New York Red Bulls..whilst Salah is hitting record-breaking totals here in the best league in the world 😂..
I knew it will take one mistake for this to come up
But there should be no debate tho. VVD is miles clear
VVD clears astronomically
@@MusabAbdullahi-v6k even VVD admitted he was nowhere near saliba at 22
@ But u can't compare the 2 rn. If ur comparing them rn, then VVD was better. And as a whole VVD is better. VVD ain't 23 now, and Saliba aint 33 now, so chill
And you have been waiting on VVD mistakes for years so that you can compare him to overrated bum players😂
Ruben Dias is better than saliba 🔥🔥
Netflix FC😂😂😂😂
Arsenal fans putting their players into conversations they were never even in, nothing new there
I swear comparing VVD to a bottle job KING😂😂
Shouldn't have ever been a debate. Both of Liverpool's starting CB's are far superior to both of Arsenal's.
It’s like comparing a Lamborghini to a Honda
There is no debate here.
Saliba is miles better than VVD.
There was no debate. Saliba is not anywhere near VVD.
Where was VVD at Saliba's age? He was nowhere near where Saliba is now. Also VVD was better before yesterday, most Arsenal fans would admit that, and even if someone argued otherwise, one game doesn't mean anything
As someone else mentioned, Where was Henry at Salah's age?
@ameenaftab2803 winning the treble with Barca? Lol. Nice football knowledge man
VVD was miles clear of Saliba you idiot.
It's funny how you nonces seem to think Liverpool paid Southampton 75 million because "we hoped" VVD would be world class instead of actually knowing he is world class and that's why we bought him.
Give it a rest, one is a premier league/ champions league winner, the other is a bottle job who has won nothing and will continue to win nothing because he isn't good enough!
Actually Virgil was playing exceptionally well at Saliba’s age at Celtic and then the same again at Southampton shortly after. Liverpool had their eye on him at Celtic but missed him and got him later on. Research your posts maybe. He was destined for stardom even at Groningen.
@robbopoolman7692 lol, practically my entire family supports celtic, and their fanbase didn't even consider him their best cb at the time. You're clueless
Pointless debate. Virgil Van Dyke is better than Saliba. Too many fans try to win banter instead of looking at the facts. VVD has won everything whereas Saliba is a young defender yet to win any silverware in his career. I’m an Arsenal fan saying this.
There isn’t a debate. Saliba isn’t there yet.
Really just like how Van Dijk being the PL best defender was put to bed two seasons ago when it looked like he wasn’t going to gain his old form back? Saliba has been consistent for three years now, just because he is having a little dip doesn’t erase all of that!
Exactly Arsenal issues. Calling everyone who plays for them World class 😂
Luckily for Saliba he still has time because he's young
So he will be better in the long run
Last season there was more contest, but remember Saliba is young
I don't know how anyone who ever watched both could say Saliba is better. He's not as good on the ball, he's not as commanding defensively, so what are we even talking about here. He's not even better overall than Gabriel at the moment.
VVD is on another level to Saliba and it’s not even close 💯
Saliba i a good defender, but ain’t the level for VVD. It’s common sense moving on plz ✌️✌️✌️
Listen, Saliba is better for his age but Van Dijk is just the better player.
Solved.
1 game is crazy madness
Ibrahima is better than Saliba, Konate was playing amazing before Endrick injured him.
Isak also mashed VVD btw. Got him sent off. That’s peak for the narrative tho so let’s ignore it.
Conversation needs to be changed to Konate and Saliba. And I honestly think Konate is better
Saliba isn't even better than Gabriel. However he has the potential to be the best
Saliba is only 23, he hasn't hit his prime yet, let that sink in
He’ll never be anywhere near Van Dijk
Depends what you mean when people claim Saliba is "better" than VVD. Anyone claiming he's a better overall defender is clearly talking utter nonsense given VVD's career to date and achievements. If you're talking 'form' though there have been periods where Saliba has looked better most notably last season. Plus comparing two defenders at completely different stages of their career feels a little redundant. Saliba has still yet to reach his ceiling and a poor game against Newcastle in the league cup doesn't suddenly undo the many impressive and assured performances he's shown before. It wouldn't be surprising to see him become one of the very best in the world in a few years time whether that's at Arsenal or somewhere else.
One bad game and it’s over? People forget that Saliba is only 23 and he’s here competing for leagues. Van dijk was at CELTIC when he was 23, so with time we’ll know for sure who was better
Van dijk was 25 when he joined liverpool, saliba will be 24 end of the season so it isn’t that big of a difference. The reason why saliba isn’t even close to VVD is because VVD is the Maldini of the modern era, he got 2nd in a ballon dor and nearly won it that’s how good he was. Id love you to tell me how Saliba is getting 2nd in a ballon dor
I’m so sick of arsenal fans! Things like this is the reason why they get a bad rep! What cups has Saliba won? Why’s this even a conversation
What was vvd at 23 like vs Saliba now?
VVD is a brilliant defender no doubt but like my man says he has 10 years on Saliba lets not go there.
Vvd clears saliba. Not even a comparison.
VVD might have not been as good as Saliba at 22, but that doesn't mean Salina will be as good as VVD in the coming. Stats prove it, performances prove. VVD was third for Ballon Dor. Saliba will never in his career make top 10. Come back to this comment after Saliba has retired or fallen off..
Same old delusional takes from non arsenal fans 😭 a little dip in form and suddenly he’s overrated. The guys 23 and Van Dijk is what 30? Was a stupid debate in the first place ofc Van Dijk is better 😭
Saliba vs Van Dijk...😂😂😂
Nothing to compare
Are ppl forgetting isak done this to vvd at st james park he bullied the pair of them in that 3-3 so lets not talk like when a superstar striker is in form you can bundle them up for 90 minutes. Saliba held his own but got done 2-3 times vs a top player. I dont get this mindset from fans now that players arent as good if they have a game on the ropes its mental absolutely mental. If you look at since saliba came to arsenal hes been the most consistent player in tue league. I respect virgil and hes been a beast this season but lets not forget how poor he was the last 2 year.
I think he probably said the same thing last night aswell I want to qualify🤣
JT, Rio, Adams, VVD thats the 4 have them in any order you see fit all 4 insane. For me JT is the best and its not even close. Liverpool Fan
Konate vs Saliba
That’s the better comparison
There was never a debate in the first place, only for the delusional. Laurie is fully LOST his ball knowledge is atrocious he just gets air time because he’s Robbie’s brother and speaks in a posh accent.
How's this even a debate??
How dare they think it's a comparison.
VD has won things with different partners in CB over the years.
Saliba needs Gabriel or he gets found out.
Find another debate coz this ain't one
Saliba had a stinker by his own standards and on another day he would have probably done better. that said, 2-0 down chasing the game from the outset, high line vs Isak, let's see VVD in that position and see how much fun he has
Van dijk was playing in the highest back line in club world football for years until this season. With only one six in front and full backs who were tasked to be the furthest forward players……. He’s played against the best forwards for multiple seasons and rarely has a bad game even against those best forwards 😅
VVD has played against isak already this season and stopped him multiple times apart from a long shot goal isak scored in the league which wasn’t vvds fault
Measure any version of saliba. Measure the strongest saliba, against the weakest van dijk, they’re not comparable, even close
I don't know why people are so silly in these kind of comparison. See the age gap between these people; VVD had been playing long before this boy, he obviously has experience and have won trophies with proven manager. He's better than Saliba no doubt about it, but wanting to judge him base on one game he had a poor performance makes no sense.
VVD season before last; was bad in many games and I clearly remember alot of people were saying he's finished. All players got a bad moment in their games and that doesn't mean they are not a quality player. Saliba at age 20 won best player award in france performing brilliantly against some of the best players in the world messi and kylvin mbappe, and since he back from that loan, he has proven why he won that.
He's been one of the best center back in the PL for the past seasons and that's why club like real madrid express interest in him. I'm very convinced that all clubs in the world right now will like to have him if he's available including Liverpool that VVD play for. Let's not judge player by one bad performance, and forget the many good performences he has had. I'm a Chelsea fan and wish I could have him right now in my defense, my squad will be complete.
What debate?
recency bias??? vvd has been doing it for years!
Most recent of recency bias? Shut up. VVD has been on top for a decade, it's not recency bias AT ALL
Put to bed .. playing a full 90 2 days or so prior at home to city yet when virgil runs into his own goalkeeper to give martinelli a tap in hes the best in the world 😂😂 f'hell the internet is a bunch of flip flops 😂😂😂
How deluded you are believing that saliba is better than vandijk
@Mik_49 never said he is I'm saying he will be the guys still young 😐
@@T-rexStirling van dijk only lost 3 games at Anfield in his career and beat Chelsea with kids
Isak forced VVD to get a red card. Does everyone have dementia or something?
The topic is who is the best and its VVD
Which was not a red btw!
There is no debate
You can't class a player as world class until they win a league or ucl for their club. If saliba doesn't win either in his arsneal career, then there isn't even a debate.
Name me a world class player to never win a league or ucl with their club, and they still spoken about one of the best players in their position?
Yes, he is a great defender, no doubt, but please don't mention him as world class or even in the same breath as vvd until he takes arsenal to a big trophy.
Hoddle, Lineker, Banks, Griezmann, Reus, Moore, Socrates, De Rossi all never won a league or CL. Kane and Le Tissier have never won anything full stop. Torres never won a league. R9, Buffon, Zlatan, Vieira, Bergkamp, Cannavaro never won a CL They were all top class lmao. VVD > Saliba no doubt Virg is on a different level still but your rationalisation here is ridiculous. Football is a team game and using club honours to compare individuals is sheer stupidity
Van Dijk is how old ?
Saliba is How Old ?
measure them by where they are at equal career lengths.
every thing is low thinking conversation.
Quansah is better than saliba
At 23 VVD was in the Scottish league playing against Aberdeen 🤦🏿
But has
2 carabao cups
1 fa cup
1 ucl
1 premier league
1 uefa super cup
1 fifa world cup
Won the league with celtic and the Scottish league cup with celtic😂
Wanna talk?
Saliba won’t even get near Van Dijk……and how many more trophies is Van Dijk going to have by the end of this season 👀
Yeah saliba is better than vvd
Can't take it FC 😅
Didn't isak score against Liverpool, can't remember him scoring last night against arsenal
that is the most idiotic comment I have ever seen. Kluivert scored against Arsenal but not Liverpool and Kluivert isn't bad is he?
@0shakthiii0 saying vvd is better than saliba because isak had a good games is the stupidest comment I've heard
@ that is exactly what you said-
@@0shakthiii0 so you agree the original statement is "idiotic "
No worries, you lot also forgot Haaland scored against best CB pairing in Europe home and away
Robbie's lost weight
Saliba isnt even one tenth as good as Konate
VVD was still playing at Groningen and Celtic while Saliba was getting into teams of the season in the best league in the world at the same age. Development wise Saliba is far ahead of VVD. Since they are about a decade apart this is the only real way you can compare them. Its unfair to Saliba since VVD has a decade of experience on him
Doesn't mean he'll be great when he reaches Virgil's age. We don't know the future. As it stands VVD is a better defender and it's not even close
Saliba would be a bench player at Liverpool, Konate also better
@@maldini3184Yea but we know the present and the past. Saliba is miles ahead of where VVD was at the same age. You can compare 2 players a decade apart if you want and think that's a fair comparison but logically it's not especially for defenders. When 2 players are this far apart in experience the proper way to compare is to look at the levels they both were around the same age
Bro only u Assna fans are comparing the 2. VVD was about to win the Ballon D'or only 2 votes behind prime 2018/19 Messi, arguably the most complete version of Messi. Saliba aint close
@MusabAbdullahi-v6k You can't refute my point so you just completely ignored it lol Saliba starting for Arsenal and being in the Team of the season vs VVD still trying to improve at Groningen in the Dutch league. You're right at similar ages it isn't close at all.... Saliba is miles ahead
You guys always talk over each other and that puts me off immediately and switch to another channel
Saying that Van dijk better than Saliba at 33 is invalid point where was Van Dijk when he was 23.Was he the top 3 CB in the world?
Nahh but he was winning trophies with celtic
Not only was he good at Celtics, you obviously never watched him at Southampton. FSG are hated by a significant section of the Liverpool fanbase for the lack of spending in the market yet VVD was and still is one of only three 80m+ buys(Alison and Nunez) FSG has ever sanctioned should tell you everything.
Saliba was better than VDV all last year and all the year before - VDV has had a bit of a come back this year but let's not forget man was playing for Celtic at Saliba's age 😂 if Saliba continues his trajectory and adds some major trophies to his name (whether at Arsenal or not) he will surpass VDV's legacy before he even reaches 30
He’s never been better than Van Dijk, come on now 😂 saliba is the future & one of the top 5 itw. But van dijk is so clear in so many ways
He wasn’t better at all, he played in a more settled team with barely any injuries. Last year no manager in prem history made more changes to a starting lineup than klopp. At one point in the season arteta had made something like 18 changes and klopp had made 80 odd 🤦♂️
@ It's ok there's no need to cry, VVD is a better defender for sure, but Saliba was miles better last 2 seasons.
@ no he wasn’t lol, he was in a more settled team with less injuries. A team that plays park the bus, feigns injuries and are known as the new stoke and wins zero trophies to boot. Van dijk won a trophy last year ffs 🤣
@ I told you, it's ok, don't cry. You're crying with your full government name on show. God bless.
saliba aint even better than gabriel you lot.
Why is Laurie Arsenal's rep ffs
He acting like VVD didn't get rinsed by Isak.
Saliba will never win UCL player of the tournament and come in 2nd place in ballondor ranking forever a bottle KING
@BillyBilly-k8q you might be right. But at 22 he still could do it. Just AGT behaving like Isak isn't a top player who hasn't played well against Vvd.
@@vCasualGamer Saliba is about to be 24 next month
@@vCasualGamersaliba been ripped lot of striker this year fulham bournemouth Newcastle
@@andrewwright4195 I don't like getting protective of a player but some facts should work here, vs Bournemouth Saliba was given a hospital pass by Trossard and It was Kiwioir who got spun by Jimenez. To be playing top level at his age is incredible and this conversation and comment are too reductive. Players have bad games.
Liverpool/rival fans make me sick … one game isn’t changing my opinion, what about last season with the VVD?? Should he be written off as a top CB??? Weirdo internet bums
Van Dirk was amazing last season had to play 20 year center back and beat Chelsea with kids
Isn’t VVD like 7-8 years older? No arsenal fan ever tried to say Saliba was a better player, but there have been points where Saliba was in better form. Typical overreaction from delusional rival arsenal fans as always 😭
Saliba hasn't won a header since he was 11 the bad fart
Van Dijk be moved to by Nicholas Pepe, what’s your point Liverpool
He did nothing with it 😂😂
miles better? bit of a stretch
Y'all have short memories, Saliba in the past 3 seasons (and while also so young at 21-22, was better than VVD, arsenal has had the best defense in the league for 2 seasons straight and it was because of him and Gabi, Saliba: EPL team of the season 2 straight seasons, Euro 2024 TOTS, Balon d'or team of the season, these are tournaments VVD too played and he didn't make it, Balon d'or TOTS had best of the best and he's paired by Rudiger, y'all having a laugh talking thrash about a worldie like Saliba, he is having a slight dip this season and it can happen, Isak messed VVD up too this season to score one of the goal of the season contender so stop acting like he has been all that. If we had the Salah Mane type front, Saliba woulda bagged 2 EPLs but he will still win it soon anyway, no worries
saliba ain better than gabriel magaleleles let alpone vdj
Afc clown show
Not even better than Ibou
The people who rate Saliba over VVD, are the same people who think Martinelli, Ben White & Odegard are world class - such low standards… (Saliba is great, and will get better with time). From an Arsenal fan.
Odegaard is just like bernardo silva. I see no difference between them.
saliba is still young and very talent, but the real debate since last year was gabriel vs van dijk, which is an actually competitive debate
Are you drunk? 😂
LFC fans need to stop being so insecure about everything.
Muppets
Oh please, how many times over the years have we seen VVD been spun!! I'm sure Isak terrorised him the same way this season
Remember last season VVD was at fault for all 3 goals Liverpool conceded 😂 they have short memories Isak made him look average when they drew 3-3 this season at Newcastle... clowns on this channel
This is an insanely poor take. You're comparing a guy nearing the end of his career vs a guy approaching at the beginning. Way too reactionary over a single match with all our injuries and depleted squad. The hell is going on anymore?
Only saka injured
So VVD > Saliba is reactionary?
Man there's a 10 year age difference. They're literally in different generations. When Van Dijk was Saliba's age he was in the Scottish League. I'm not even an Arsenal fan but c'mon.
Saliba and Van Dijk have something in common they have both been embarassed by Isak this season
1 bad game and suddenly he is not that good. Rubbish. VVD had 2-3 bad seasons. Clowns.
And an UCL and a PL too, possibly more at the end of the season
He's not that good and vandijk is clear
Van Dijk is of course better than Saliba, but let's not act like Isak didn't embarrass Virgil when Lpool played at St. James' this season.
He scored a long range only that. Isak unpredictable and your defence was beyond shook by him😂 he even got man of the match