Hot Toys Artisan Doomed for Failure?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- Hello everyone and welcome back to my channel for another video in today’s video. We are gonna be discussing the hot toys, artist and series and whether or not it is doomed for failure.
#hottoys #starwars #hottoyscollectibles
0:52: 💭 Discussion on the potential challenges faced by the Hot Toys Artisan series in the collector market.
3:24: 💰 High price of $520 for a single figure causing controversy among collectors.
6:34: 💰 High prices for Hot Toys Artisan editions due to minor upgrades like rooted hair, lacking material details.
9:56: 💰 Analysis of pricing and value of Hot Toys Artisan series, specifically focusing on the cost difference for minor details.
13:15: 💥 Interest in the market for a new Hot Toys release, with concerns about potential outcomes and the need for a successful launch.
Recap by Tammy AI
Great points in this video. I think Hot Toys dropped the ball by not truly going “all in” with the Artisan line. They should’ve set the ground rules from the start. For example: “all artisans will have rooted hair, leather clothing, actual numbered figures w/ certificate, and totally new sculpts instead of reusing old ones.”
Sadly, it seems some artisan figures will be better than others when it comes to the longevity of the materials and truly unique features that make them stand out from older figures.
I 💯 agree with you!
Wait for Anakin to get an Artisan deluxe along with a sculpted version for 20th Anniversary of Episode III. That day will be chaos in the community
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I 100% believe they needed to go all in on this line to make it seem worthwhile. The shortcomings of just the Anakin announcement was pointed out by you perfectly. It’s their most up to date and artsy Anakin and yet it’s still not the definitive version
It's literally the old figure just the head and hair is updated. It's tbh a cheap release. Redo his costume and body like Joker, who seems like the only "all in" artisan so far
100% agree, for my the artisan really needs to be steps above other Hot Toys MMS figures and one can argue rooted hair isnt enough.
From obviously only a Preview perspective, I agree with your sentiments on Jack Sparrow. I ordered the non-artisan deluxe when it recently opened because of the proposed details along with a dozen or so older vids on the existing DX model. I like detailed bases because I don't own many HT figures nor do I seek a complete series of figures.
Good video.
PS Remember, there are still lots of HT buyers that are flippers and believe (incorrectly) they will make a few bucks with figure flipping.
Fair points 💯 thanks for the feedback ! 🤙
Still can’t understand why Artisan Anakin only comes with one LED lightsaber, yet the newly announced, non-Artisan Darth Revan figure comes with two! 🤷🏼♂️
These small but important inconsistences are ones Im calling out. If Hot Toys is smart and for the price Anakin better have 2 USB sabers.
I don't see the Artisan line going away. If anything, I see it expanding as InArt continues to show there is a demand for quality rooted sculpts.
Thanks for the discussion 🙌
I 100% agree with you. It just keeps opening the possibilities for other characters to get this treatment for sure.
I personally don’t think 5 artisans is a lot but more than that we will be collecting preorders. I don’t believe it’s going to fail because hot toys is 10 steps ahead of collectors and they know the competition (Inart). I do believe the first two releases will determine future releases because it’s going to show is hot toys can deliver a good product (Artisan)on time.
Ultimately, I just feel like I don’t want it to be a situation where they’re adding so many pre-orders versus putting out figures, especially at these price points and seeing what we’re actually getting and how they vary from figure to figure. If the joker and the Anakin Skywalker come out and the quality is superb then their shows hope for this artist and series line, but they really do have to step up and really make collectors feel like they’re getting a lot for the price pay
Yes.............I do believe so. To be or not to be that is the question! Pass on 1/6 combs & hairdryers!
It's a great point you make about the cost tbh. This is what is currently putting me off the line (although I have Anakin already paid up). The price of the figure is the same price as secondary market "grails" in some cases, and all we're really getting thats different is some wool hair. But hopefully the end product is going to far exceed expectations so I'm definitely looking forward to it. BTW congrats on some great vids recently, they're getting a lot of traction and your channel is flying towards 3K subs! 👊🏻
Thank you much my friend your closing in on 3k also be there before you know it! 🤙
If they pull off the rooted hair the line will be a success. The sculpts are all so far fantastic, especially Joker and Anakin. Perhaps not Luke.
I don't disagree with you but I do feel hot toys is lacking or inconsistent with the soft goods aspect on these.
Great job on the video and I'm personally not a big fan of rooted hair, I'm too lazy to take the time to style it I'd rather just have sculpted which can look just as realistic if done well by the artists, awesome video Mr. Mom.
Thank you for the support! Rooted is deff not for everyone I respect that
I only preordered Luke.I personally think rooted it’s overrated and doesn’t look that much better.What I don’t get is this push for rooted when around 80% of collectors can’t even pose the figures much less manage that hair.I just thought of the goldmine TH-cam and FB pages are going to be when videos and photos of collections come in 😂😂
Oh the horror 😂
I would like Hot Toys to really commit if they’re going to keep on trying with the Artisan line.
One thing that bothers me with them more and more is that it feels like they’ll upgrade one thing and in their view that justifies a higher price, but they still use lower quality materials (pleather) or reuse the same parts over and over.
I primarily collect Hot Toys so still a fan but they do make aggravating decisions often.
I have witnessed alot of changes since i started collecting Hot Toys many years ago , the sculpts especially have gotten so much better but the Joker has been released and rereleased so many times with the last few near perfection but HT likes to swing the bat multiple times if there is a market for it and not a fan of rooted hair for some figures . Rereleases no matter what you call them are a cash cow for HT , little to no retooling and an increase in price ..
I really hope after this artisan, this version of Joker goes on ice for a while.
@@mr.momcollectibles Rereleases are great for those who missed out although you would be sleeping to miss out on yet another Joker . I only collect 1/4 scale now and dont do many vids anymore but if you go way back on my channel 1/6 was a life style i enjoyed and went broke over .lol . Thanks for the response and have a great day
Do you collect 1/4 hot toys also or just statues?
@@mr.momcollectibles Mostly Hot Toys 1/4 , some statues just Batman related though . Got the 1/4 HT Spiderman which is great but my collection is all Batman on display plus some customs . When i was collecting 1/6 things were getting out of control in the early days and when they started making 1/4 with all the extra detail they bring i could not go back and sold alot of my 1/6 collection . Not as many options in 1/4 which is good for my wallet .
Great take on this! I agree the Jack Sparrow is the only one that may be worth the value!
Its going to be really hard to top with future announcements
great points to throw out there! I will only just add that I've recently started buying figures made by different brands, and I feel like for a much lover price I get way more that Hot Toys have been offering lately. Quality issues, not upgraded materials, missing info, repeated ideas and recycled parts.. C'mon, for $400-500 I really expect more...
I 100% agree with you for that price point. They really have to bring more to the table in my opinion that sets this artist and series apart from their other figure.
It's hard to have an opinion when you can't eve get in queue to buy one.
The Queue is a whole other conversation for collectors
I’m mad I missed out on Anakin cuz I know I’ll be tempted to pay scalper price but I’m scared what that price will be. I waitlisted on side show but does that even ever happen? Not sure how that works
Well jumping on the waitlist isn't a bad idea. In the event someone cancels you may get a conversation although not guaranteed.
I hope they all come out great. I passed on Luke, Jack I didn't get but the other 3 are on PO. I'm a little hesitant to get more until we can see if Hot Toys is going to do it right. Fingers crossed.
Fingers crossed indeed. We need to get some of these in hand to really see if they are worth the money.
The Joker and Annakin Looks great
I was kinda rubbed the wrong way with the limited quantities. I was excited to get Artisan Jack, but he was sold out so fast
Until hot toys actually numbers the figures we will never truly know how “limited” they are
I think the Artisan editions will quietly be shelved at some point. Their too limited, their made for the US & Asian resale market and their too pricey. Also, I would be worried about the styled wool hair becoming an annoying element to maintain long term.
Those are all fair points to make 100%. Only time will tell the longevity of this line and how expensive it will be with the characters they choose to make artisan and if they appeal to all collectors.
Artisan releases are still limited quantities, and they can only be flipped so much. As long as HT doesn't start doing Artisan 2.0's, the artisan line will continue to sell out and be often preferred. Prices were already high to begin with. Year after year HT prices on standard figures were would steady climb and I remember when people got real whiney about crossing that $250 average threshold. The artisan releases are more collectible in limited numbers, and as long as they execute well, they will be the premium of whatever characters they introduce within it. It's really just as simple as knowing a new Barr has been set. I myself look forward to converting everything I own into a Artisan, Rooted Inart, Kojun Works etc for the added realism. The inconsistencies between a standard scuplt and a well done rooted scuplt with posable eyes takes its toll on some of us that are more detail oriented than others.. I'm in that camp. Price points are a factor, sure, but we can all agree $5000 is still $5000 at the end of the day. It's doesn't really matter if it's isolated in a few ultra premium pieces or 20 various troopers. Both scenarios have an impact and make a statement on display. That's also just another side of being collectors doing what we do.
Fantastic points all around. I do have to admit ever since getting the WB 100 wonder woman I am looking more forward to adding more rooted pieces in my collection. I just recently got the InArt Gandolf, which I will have a review of shortly and that is another amazing piece.
Congrats on securing that. Gandalf is arguably the single best figure to date from any company anywhere!
I have my review dropping on Monday something I very proud my most existing review. As of now Gandalf is in my top 5 figures and it’s a super strong contender for #1
Personal opinion Inart forced Hot Toys to step up their game. I have both Jack and Joker on order and I'm very curious to see how Joker looks both tailoring and hair, if they mess that up then I don't see much hope.🤦
There’s no doubt that the artisan line probably was in the works for a little bit of time with hot toys, but you are 100% correct that InArt made them step up their game. I mean it seems pretty obvious with one of the first pieces being the joker.
Going by the prototypes, the rooted hair on these figures falls some way short of what we're seeing from Inart. While it's a big improvement from the plug-in synthetic hair which Hot Toys has used in the past, I'm not convinced it will be worth the extra money over the sculpted options. Time will tell I suppose.
Pivoting a little, even though I have the new Joker on pre-order, my enthusiasm dampens the more I see of it. Outside of the makeup, it looks very little like how Heath Ledger appeared in the film and stills, and is by far the weakest likeness of all these Artisan figures. For some reason, Hot Toys has really struggled to capture Heath's portrait, getting nowhere near as close as they have to the likes of Yondu, Jack Sparrow, DX18 Darth Maul, and many more of their most accurate works.
I won’t lie after this joker comes out. I wouldnt be so upset if they put that character on ice for a while and moved past him.
The only Artisan figure I wanted wasn’t even an Artisan. It was the DCEU Wonder Woman.
But honestly…after taking a step back and realizing that I didn’t need to upgrade from the original BvS Wonder Woman (I’m one of the ten people left in the world who adore that figure), nor did I need to migrate to the upcoming Affleck Batman 2.0 from BvS that was recently announced.
That one almost tempted me to try and jump on getting both, somehow, some way. I resisted though. I want to focus my collection more on Star Wars going forward. Even though I plan to dial way back on collecting at some point in the near future, I’ll still pick up the occasional figure though.
As for the Artisan line as a whole, I didn’t feel the need to replace the Inart sculpted hair Joker (I mean, he just came out, the hell lol) or the Hot Toys Jack Sparrow. I have the most recent DX Jack Sparrow with the better tricorn hat from the DX release prior to that one. So, I’m good. And Artisan Anakin and Luke just don’t interest me. I prefer my original Episode 3 Anakin and I’m opting out of that Luke entirely, although I will admit he’s awesome as fuck looking.
If I were going to get one Artisan figure, it would probably be the Wonder Woman I mentioned, assuming they ever do her again. But then, I’d have to upgrade Batman as well. Not sure I’d upgrade my Man of Steel Superman, because he’s pretty badass as is.
I just really don’t see any desire for me to try and jump on ordering a figure that’s as difficult to get as the Neca Turtles when they first came out.
You make some excellent points there it’s gonna be one of those things just to see what kind of characters they add into the artist and series and I’m sure there’s going to be some that people just don’t think it’s worth it. I’m always open for another wonder woman personally I hope inart follow through with theirs, but that’s gonna be some years from what it seems like.
@@mr.momcollectibles I’m almost wondering if they will do them at all. I would love to upgrade the trio to the Inart versions, but I may need to throw a few tax returns at them. 😂
Haha facts. I always said even those BVS and Justice league weren’t amazing movies…they did however create some amazing characters that I will collect all versions of
@@mr.momcollectiblesStill the best Batman fight scene ever to make it to the big screen. BvS extended cut is actually a pretty solid film. The Snyder cut of Justice League was good too. And to be honest, the extended cut of Suicide Squad was also enjoyable.
DC is just so horribly mismanaged by the suits that they’ve been a running gag since Batman Forever. They’ve really only had success with Batman 89, Batman Returns, Superman 1, Superman 2, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises, Joker, The Batman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman and Man of Steel.
So many of their other projects have flopped or were critically panned. It would be great if they knew what they were doing. On the games front, it’s mostly been the Arkham series. Anything else they’ve tried to do has only been mildly successful or a failure.
Shit I couldn’t even get my order placed for Artisan Luke :( so I don’t see why they won’t succeed. They seem to be selling.
I do agree not having any in hand yet is a factor, but, the only possible thing that happens post release is they’re confirmed good or bad.
And if they’re bad, well, HT constantly addresses issues collectors have. I’m NOT a HT collector, not really. I have had them, sold them. Currently have some PO’s laid. But fairly unbiased. As someone who watches their IG though they constantly update faces and figures. So worst case scenario these are mid and they get fixed.
Hot toys actually very rarely ever update their stuff.
@@Christiancoduti honestly you probably don’t even know they do because they CONSTANTLY show figs at expos or just reveal posts on IG, they’ll get maddening amounts of comments questioning headsculpt accuracy and then they’ll have another post down the line and say something like “we addressed your complaints”
Like god damn they even redid the 2099 spider man body. He looked just fine with exposed joints, I actually still to this day would’ve preferred that version to what we got. That is actually a downgrade imo but not most other HT buyers.
Ummmmm its realistic?
Shits too expensive
I'm really not on the wants for this line, Anakin have him when he was realesed, Joker have one and had enough of this guy and them movies as well, Jack not a fan of Pirates franchise. And well don't collect any marvel at all. So its a $$ saver for my pocket. And not in the mood of chasing any of them either.🦇🦇
Failure? But they are all sold out!
InFart still can’t deliver anything on time and that isn’t a failure.
I believe if Hot Toys made more than what they are selling they would still sell out. Yes I edited. Lol
Did you watch the video? They sold out because of the “exclusive” tag on them. One can argue if there no exclusive tag them may still be available 🤷🏻♂️ you have to wonder…and this video was about hot toys. Don’t worry I’ve made my share of Inart videos but you probably haven’t seen any
@@mr.momcollectiblesthis is purely speculation on your part though. We have the real world application of every artisan being sold out and doing it fast, period.
Every Inart figure clears anything hot toys has ever put out.
@@Christiancoduti mad cope and Inart has like what, 4-5 figures released? I’m not an Inart hater at all but even their Batman is inferior to HT. Coolest thing inart has atm is all their figs have unique bodies. That will change as they get into the 1000’s of releases HT has.
You’re mad weird for trying to claim Inart is superior with a handful of releases. It’s fine to be a fan but don’t be weird, guy.
@@FlipFlab their Batman inferior to the hot toys one ?!?!?!? Bait used to be believable.