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I wonder how many weekend golfers actually play by the rules. Most of the time I play with a pickup group the rules are usually very flexible. Right or wrong it's the way it is.
Many, many golfers would have informally accepted 'rules' within their regular groups (e.g. dropping back in from OOB for whatever penalty they choose), which is fine as long as they're aware what the actual Rules are when they're playing in official comps.
im NOT jack nicklaus. im a 13 handicap. i rarely hit a ball in the fairway. if i smoke a perfect ball right down the middle and it lands in someones divot hole, i am NOT playing it there. i move it out of the divot. why should i have a rare wonderful shot RUINED by ridiculous bad luck? ill probably skull the approach shot anyway. i play to have fun...not hit shots even pros could screw up because of bad luck.
Well I used to play golf on my high school team from 9-12 grade played 3 time a week 1 of them was a tournament against another school. Due to this I have always played by the rules to the tee even to this day.
Jeremy's simple explanation of these 5 rules is a great help. However time prohibits too much discussion, such as with the provisional ball, ALL strokes played on the provisional ball (up to finding your original ball) are cancelled once the original ball is found. I've had ignorant golfers trying to add my shots on the provisional ball to my score AS WELL AS those on the original ball; which is clearly wrong.
Indeed, Phillip - time prevents mentioning every little thing! Not sure we've ever experienced anyone try to force shots with a provisional ball on to our scorecard! Hope you were able to put them right :)
Regarding scorecard. A player is not always disqualified for writing an incorrect score on a hole. Only if the incorrect score is 'better' than the true score. Example: Player makes a 5 but writes 6. No problem.. Player makes a 5 but writes 4. DQ.
Also, dropping your ball at the nearest point of relief is actually "within 1 club length of the nearest point of relief". So when Jeremy dropped off the cart path onto some sandy area in the video, I believe he could have dropped onto the grass area nearer his feet if he'd measured with a club. I'm open to correction if I've misunderstood this rule.
We've just rewatched it and think all is in order - NPR is established and then a club-length measured out before dropping. We did it in that particular spot to highlight that you only get relief from the cart path and not the bare sandy area around it however unappetising it is to play from :)
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so why can you move loose impediments anywhere else on the course but not in the bunker? especially if the impediment is not touching the ball or partially buried?
That going back to the tee box rule needs to change.It's inconvenient,inconsistent with other rules and it slows the game down.Playing a drop at the point of entry and as far back as you want to go with a one stroke penalty just like with a water hazard is a much more rules consistent approach.
Out of bounds should be no different than water.You take a penalty stroke and play the ball at the point of entry no closer to the hole and as far back as you want.
In a friendly round of golf we sometimes will do 2 penalty strokes so it's like being 3 off the tee and ending up somewhere near where you are. Saves on the walk. Would be good to incorporate something like that... Would help speed things up....
Seems silly that you can't play ur provisional if u declare ur ball unplayable as the whole point of hitting the provisional is because ur not sure you can play the original ball... In a world where golf complains about pace of play. This would help
Wayne Dewey Golf Vlogs to avoid cheats. I’ve gotta admit, if I know my first ball is gonna be deep in the trees I don’t look very hard for it, especially if my provisional is in a kick awesome pozish.
no...you play a provisional ball if you think you wont be able to "FIND" your 1st ball. if you find it, no matter how unplayable it may be, you must proceed with your original ball.
Sigh Phi Guy Yeah. I understand that but if ur best option after finding your original ball is to go back and replay ur shot. I should be allowed to jst play the provisional ball u played... Rather than walking back to the tee and hitting another
if you find the original you must play it from the closest playable position, no closer to the hole. ive never had a situation where returning to the tee is the only option. i suppose it could happen but it HAS to be 1 in a million. plus, you dont get to choose the "BEST" option. you get the 1st available option which may be a patch of clear-ish dirt still deep in the trees.
Sigh Phi Guy I'm sorry, but I'm calling bs. If you deem your ball to be unplayable it is quite common to return to your previous position, often times being a tee box. Your "1 in a million" remark makes no sense at all, and honestly it makes you appear ignorant. Also, when deeming your ball unplayable, you absolutely can choose the best option afforded by the rules. Again, that is often returning to the position of the previous stroke. You really should brush up on the rules of golf. It might save you a stroke or two ;)
lets face it. 99% of non professional swingers are not playing by all the rules. In club tourney events things are tighter but not always. It's the only game, sport, etc. in which you are required to call violations on yourself. This policy alone leaves a lot of room for misinterpretation on any given weekend. Play on folks!!
Is there a rule about quick play where if you like hit one 250yds up into some trees but then you duff your provisional. Can you hit your 2nd because it’s behind your first
When taking a drop can the ball roll up to two club lengths from where it landed no nearer the hole ? so two club lengths for relief then possibly another two if it rolls when dropping.
That's pretty much correct, so with a clever and fortunate drop you could end up very nearly four club-lengths away if you drop close to the two club-length point and the ball then rolls favourably but not too far away :) FYI as rule of thumb relief is two club-lengths for penalty drops but only one for free drops
What I find embarrassing that you find your ball in a bunker in a deep footstep/heel hole because it has not been raked properly. So you get punished ... One should be able to get a kind of "relief" for that. ?? Has thus been considered in the 2019 rule updates.
Harry Knuth Totally agree. It's an unfair playing condition, not caused by nature. I'd say the same logic applies to repairing ball marks. Perhaps you should be able to mark your lie, lift the ball, rake the area, and replace the ball. In a perfect world people would clean up after themselves. Unfortunately that's not always the case.
Ready golf already being encouraged in stroke play. As for the new Rules, it will be interesting to see what does and doesn't make the final cut later this year
Hit ball off the tee - not sure if ball can be found - walk approx 50 yds forward then decide will go back and play a ball - however that ball no longer becomes a provisional ball but ball in play ???
By and large that is the case. Decision 27-2a/1.5 clarifies that 50 yards is the cut-off point for going back and deciding to hit a provisional given that the idea of the Rule is to try and save unnecessarily long walks back
With the provisional ball I was on the understanding that you must use the same make of ball as the previous shot - so if use a callaway chrome soft for my tee shot my provisional ball must also be a callaway chrome soft - could you clarify this point for me?
That's not correct, Darren, unless the 'One Ball Condition' is in effect (see Appendix 1 p156 in the current Rule book). Generally, this is only in effect in professional and elite amateur events, so in most club competitions you would be able to switch brands and models with no penalty
You can try but he doesn't have to listen to you. One of those potentially problematic ones, though I suspect most opponents wouldn't if you suggested you weren't interested in searching. Could be wrong though, and might depend if any 'history' between the two players :)
I was under the impression that if you ground your club in a bunker while getting your stance or climbing into the bunker (by accident) it wasn’t a penalty.
Holes, casts or runways made by burrowing animals are classed as 'abnormal ground conditions' in the Rules, and the Rule covering what you can then do is Rule 25-1 - www.randa.org/Rules-of-Golf/MainRules/25-Abnormal-Ground-Conditions-Embedded-Ball-and-Wrong-Putting-Green/SubRules/1-Abnormal-Ground-Conditions
Ive seen loads of people hit a provisional and then make naff all attempts to find their original so they dont have to take few attempts to hack it out.
In Autumn, if your ball goes into a bunker that is full of leaves, what can you do to find the ball? My understanding is you and playing partners can move them to find them, but then have to replace them over the ball if you find it, but then you cant see it... what if you accidentally move the ball while looking for it too.
Unfortunately we can't cover everything in one 6 or 7-minute summary video. Check out this video from a couple of years ago that goes into this in detail... th-cam.com/video/7DbNqWEQL_0/w-d-xo.html
Thank you. This was intended to be a broad summary video covering 5 areas rather than necessarily going into all the detail on each one. The NTP one was included to stress that you don't get a choice as to where the NTP is
If you find the original ball. Can you declare it unplayable and play the provisional or do you have to go back to the 3 steps mentioned in the video, even if that means going back to the tee again?
Thanks for the question. No you can't play the provisional as soon as the original ball is found - we cover this from about 4m 0s in the video - you never have a choice over which ball to play
Golf Monthly What is the reason behind this rule? Why can‘t I use the provisional ball if I declare the original ball unplayable and I want to hit another shot from the previous location?
No, there's a practical reason. Why wouldn't you just hit a provisional on every tee shot, and simply select the best option each time? It's not meant to be an elective second chance given hindsight. You also can't declare a ball unplayable if you can't find it, or if it's O.B. for similar reasons.
The ball is lost. Go back to where you hit your previous shot and play your next stroke, plus take a one stroke penalty. If it's easier to remember, proceed as you would for a ball 'out of bounds' (white stake).
With modern technology, why is the player responsible for keeping manual scores and signing his/her card? Isn't this tradition old fashion and no longer needed? He/she can still track it put the PGA should keep the official score, right? This could also speed up play.
I’d rather not fuck up my expensive clubs for the sake of a rule. Are you serious? Who the fuck would hit a cart path shot when playing a friendly pickup game. I wouldn’t force my friend to destroy their property. That is ridiculous and only should be unforced if bets are on the line or if it’s a professional tournament. Same goes for the rock in the bunker. I’m picking up that rock or I’m using your club, you decide.
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Those are the 5 rules you think golfers need to know????? Seriously? Maybe you should change the title to "5 rules professional golfers need to know" Signing a score card? C'mon man Going back and replaying your shot?? Yeah, that will go over well with the other golfers on the course.
Sorry - don't really understand what you're getting at? Rules are the same for everyone so not sure what difference it makes whether you're a pro or a club golfer playing in a competition. If you're playing in a friendly/social game with your mates, you can, of course, play by whatever rules you like as long as everyone is happy with that
+golf monthly You obviously didn't understand my statement. I NEVER said that the rules are not the same for everyone. My statement was directed at the "you need to know" part of your video. And I gave you a couple of examples. 1. Signing a score card. This is NOT a rule that every golfer needs to know. This is NOT a rule that the average recreational golfer needs to know. This is NOT a rule that is even going to affect your score. Thus it is NOT a rule the golfers need to know. This is a rule that golfers only need to know when they are playing in a competitive tournament.
Can I kick my ball out into the open if I don’t like where it lays?
JohnnyG Spot that is not allowed
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If your name is Donald Trump then yes
Can you, yes. Should you?...........
I wonder how many weekend golfers actually play by the rules. Most of the time I play with a pickup group the rules are usually very flexible. Right or wrong it's the way it is.
Many, many golfers would have informally accepted 'rules' within their regular groups (e.g. dropping back in from OOB for whatever penalty they choose), which is fine as long as they're aware what the actual Rules are when they're playing in official comps.
im NOT jack nicklaus.
im a 13 handicap. i rarely hit a ball in the fairway. if i smoke a perfect ball right down the middle and it lands in someones divot hole, i am NOT playing it there. i move it out of the divot.
why should i have a rare wonderful shot RUINED by ridiculous bad luck? ill probably skull the approach shot anyway.
i play to have fun...not hit shots even pros could screw up because of bad luck.
Well I used to play golf on my high school team from 9-12 grade played 3 time a week 1 of them was a tournament against another school. Due to this I have always played by the rules to the tee even to this day.
Very important stuff! Some key info! Love the content guys!
Jeremy's simple explanation of these 5 rules is a great help. However time prohibits too much discussion, such as with the provisional ball, ALL strokes played on the provisional ball (up to finding your original ball) are cancelled once the original ball is found. I've had ignorant golfers trying to add my shots on the provisional ball to my score AS WELL AS those on the original ball; which is clearly wrong.
Indeed, Phillip - time prevents mentioning every little thing! Not sure we've ever experienced anyone try to force shots with a provisional ball on to our scorecard! Hope you were able to put them right :)
Regarding scorecard. A player is not always disqualified for writing an incorrect score on a hole. Only if the incorrect score is 'better' than the true score. Example: Player makes a 5 but writes 6. No problem.. Player makes a 5 but writes 4. DQ.
Rules have been updated as of 2019.
Also, dropping your ball at the nearest point of relief is actually "within 1 club length of the nearest point of relief". So when Jeremy dropped off the cart path onto some sandy area in the video, I believe he could have dropped onto the grass area nearer his feet if he'd measured with a club. I'm open to correction if I've misunderstood this rule.
We've just rewatched it and think all is in order - NPR is established and then a club-length measured out before dropping. We did it in that particular spot to highlight that you only get relief from the cart path and not the bare sandy area around it however unappetising it is to play from :)
Hey, thanks for the reply. Didn't expect one so was immediately impressed. Thanks also for the feedback. You've just made a subscriber of me. Looking forward to more tips, tricks and info.
so why can you move loose impediments anywhere else on the course but not in the bunker?
especially if the impediment is not touching the ball or partially buried?
Sigh Phi Guy Because a bunker is classified as a hazard. It's not just a bunker rule, it's a hazard rule. No grounding, no moving loose impediments.
Mate nice glove. Handy to grip that rulebook......
Always good to have a good grip on the Rules, we feel :)
That going back to the tee box rule needs to change.It's inconvenient,inconsistent with other rules and it slows the game down.Playing a drop at the point of entry and as far back as you want to go with a one stroke penalty just like with a water hazard is a much more rules consistent approach.
But what if that takes you Out of Bounds?
Out of bounds should be no different than water.You take a penalty stroke and play the ball at the point of entry no closer to the hole and as far back as you want.
In a friendly round of golf we sometimes will do 2 penalty strokes so it's like being 3 off the tee and ending up somewhere near where you are. Saves on the walk. Would be good to incorporate something like that... Would help speed things up....
Easy just play a provisional
drop from the point at which the ball went out of bounds
Seems silly that you can't play ur provisional if u declare ur ball unplayable as the whole point of hitting the provisional is because ur not sure you can play the original ball... In a world where golf complains about pace of play. This would help
Wayne Dewey Golf Vlogs to avoid cheats. I’ve gotta admit, if I know my first ball is gonna be deep in the trees I don’t look very hard for it, especially if my provisional is in a kick awesome pozish.
no...you play a provisional ball if you think you wont be able to "FIND" your 1st ball. if you find it, no matter how unplayable it may be, you must proceed with your original ball.
Sigh Phi Guy Yeah. I understand that but if ur best option after finding your original ball is to go back and replay ur shot. I should be allowed to jst play the provisional ball u played... Rather than walking back to the tee and hitting another
if you find the original you must play it from the closest playable position, no closer to the hole.
ive never had a situation where returning to the tee is the only option.
i suppose it could happen but it HAS to be 1 in a million.
plus, you dont get to choose the "BEST" option. you get the 1st available option which may be a patch of clear-ish dirt still deep in the trees.
Sigh Phi Guy I'm sorry, but I'm calling bs. If you deem your ball to be unplayable it is quite common to return to your previous position, often times being a tee box. Your "1 in a million" remark makes no sense at all, and honestly it makes you appear ignorant. Also, when deeming your ball unplayable, you absolutely can choose the best option afforded by the rules. Again, that is often returning to the position of the previous stroke. You really should brush up on the rules of golf. It might save you a stroke or two ;)
lets face it. 99% of non professional swingers are not playing by all the rules. In club tourney events things are tighter but not always. It's the only game, sport, etc. in which you are required to call violations on yourself. This policy alone leaves a lot of room for misinterpretation on any given weekend. Play on folks!!
These rule numbers that you used, are they USGA or R and A numbers? Or are both standards the same?
They're both the same, Mark
Is there a rule about quick play where if you like hit one 250yds up into some trees but then you duff your provisional. Can you hit your 2nd because it’s behind your first
Alexander Gandy Never thought about that... good question. I'd say, no. There's definitely not a rule allowing for that. But maybe there should be.
Adam Barnett I usually play it that way, because we play quick golf or whatever it’s called at our club so it just speeds it up a lot
When taking a drop can the ball roll up to two club lengths from where it landed no nearer the hole ? so two club lengths for relief then possibly another two if it rolls when dropping.
That's pretty much correct, so with a clever and fortunate drop you could end up very nearly four club-lengths away if you drop close to the two club-length point and the ball then rolls favourably but not too far away :) FYI as rule of thumb relief is two club-lengths for penalty drops but only one for free drops
What I find embarrassing that you find your ball in a bunker in a deep footstep/heel hole because it has not been raked properly. So you get punished ... One should be able to get a kind of "relief" for that.
?? Has thus been considered in the 2019 rule updates.
Harry Knuth Totally agree. It's an unfair playing condition, not caused by nature. I'd say the same logic applies to repairing ball marks. Perhaps you should be able to mark your lie, lift the ball, rake the area, and replace the ball. In a perfect world people would clean up after themselves. Unfortunately that's not always the case.
A few rule changes coming ready golf too what's your thoughts 💭
Ready golf already being encouraged in stroke play. As for the new Rules, it will be interesting to see what does and doesn't make the final cut later this year
Thanks
Hit ball off the tee - not sure if ball can be found - walk approx 50 yds forward then decide will go back and play a ball - however that ball no longer becomes a provisional ball but ball in play ???
By and large that is the case. Decision 27-2a/1.5 clarifies that 50 yards is the cut-off point for going back and deciding to hit a provisional given that the idea of the Rule is to try and save unnecessarily long walks back
With the provisional ball I was on the understanding that you must use the same make of ball as the previous shot - so if use a callaway chrome soft for my tee shot my provisional ball must also be a callaway chrome soft - could you clarify this point for me?
That's not correct, Darren, unless the 'One Ball Condition' is in effect (see Appendix 1 p156 in the current Rule book). Generally, this is only in effect in professional and elite amateur events, so in most club competitions you would be able to switch brands and models with no penalty
Golf Monthly ok sounds good thanks for the reply :)
Can you tell your opponent not to look for a ball? So you can use a well hit provisional?
You can try but he doesn't have to listen to you. One of those potentially problematic ones, though I suspect most opponents wouldn't if you suggested you weren't interested in searching. Could be wrong though, and might depend if any 'history' between the two players :)
I was under the impression that if you ground your club in a bunker while getting your stance or climbing into the bunker (by accident) it wasn’t a penalty.
Certainly no to the former, and possibly to the latter if you were using your club to prevent yourself from falling (Exception 1.(a) to Rule 13-4)
Sorry - should say "possibly yes to the latter"...
This video shows it was posted 6 years ago which would be 2018 which is before the 2019 rule changes.
Could you explain the Bubba Watson instance where he took relief from an animal scraping please
Holes, casts or runways made by burrowing animals are classed as 'abnormal ground conditions' in the Rules, and the Rule covering what you can then do is Rule 25-1 - www.randa.org/Rules-of-Golf/MainRules/25-Abnormal-Ground-Conditions-Embedded-Ball-and-Wrong-Putting-Green/SubRules/1-Abnormal-Ground-Conditions
can you play nearest point of relief and then claim unplayable??? obviously with 1 stroke penalty
Yes, you could, and I guess sometimes you might have little option but to do that if it's not possible or practical to play it as it lies
Ive seen loads of people hit a provisional and then make naff all attempts to find their original so they dont have to take few attempts to hack it out.
Philip Bradley No rule saying you have to look, or how intently. I only look where I'd want to find it, haha.
Yeah my mate told me theres no rule yesterday re this
In Autumn, if your ball goes into a bunker that is full of leaves, what can you do to find the ball? My understanding is you and playing partners can move them to find them, but then have to replace them over the ball if you find it, but then you cant see it... what if you accidentally move the ball while looking for it too.
re-introduce the 'stymie' rule for matchplay
If you declare your ball unplayable in the bunker you must drop in the bunker, that is not clear in the video.
Unfortunately we can't cover everything in one 6 or 7-minute summary video. Check out this video from a couple of years ago that goes into this in detail... th-cam.com/video/7DbNqWEQL_0/w-d-xo.html
Nice video but you didn't explain how to determine the closest point of relief
Thank you. This was intended to be a broad summary video covering 5 areas rather than necessarily going into all the detail on each one. The NTP one was included to stress that you don't get a choice as to where the NTP is
If you find the original ball. Can you declare it unplayable and play the provisional or do you have to go back to the 3 steps mentioned in the video, even if that means going back to the tee again?
You have to go back and hit another ball
Thanks for the question. No you can't play the provisional as soon as the original ball is found - we cover this from about 4m 0s in the video - you never have a choice over which ball to play
Golf Monthly What is the reason behind this rule? Why can‘t I use the provisional ball if I declare the original ball unplayable and I want to hit another shot from the previous location?
Because golf rules are strange
No, there's a practical reason. Why wouldn't you just hit a provisional on every tee shot, and simply select the best option each time? It's not meant to be an elective second chance given hindsight. You also can't declare a ball unplayable if you can't find it, or if it's O.B. for similar reasons.
Bunker rules are outdated. You can move loose impediments in bunkers.
Not yet you can't, but maybe when the new Rules are finalised
Actually clubs can have a local rule for loose impediments
Only for stones in bunkers or very occasionally accumulations of leaves
Not leaves. 'clubs' cannot just make any local rule they want. The permissible local rules are explicitly described in the Rules of Golf.
What is the rule for a loss ball and there are no stakes in the area of the woods?
The ball is lost. Go back to where you hit your previous shot and play your next stroke, plus take a one stroke penalty. If it's easier to remember, proceed as you would for a ball 'out of bounds' (white stake).
With modern technology, why is the player responsible for keeping manual scores and signing his/her card? Isn't this tradition old fashion and no longer needed? He/she can still track it put the PGA should keep the official score, right? This could also speed up play.
On tour, maybe - but what about at club level?
I’d rather not fuck up my expensive clubs for the sake of a rule. Are you serious? Who the fuck would hit a cart path shot when playing a friendly pickup game. I wouldn’t force my friend to destroy their property. That is ridiculous and only should be unforced if bets are on the line or if it’s a professional tournament. Same goes for the rock in the bunker. I’m picking up that rock or I’m using your club, you decide.
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thank you for the insomnia cure
Those are the 5 rules you think golfers need to know????? Seriously?
Maybe you should change the title to "5 rules professional golfers need to know"
Signing a score card? C'mon man
Going back and replaying your shot?? Yeah, that will go over well with the other golfers on the course.
Sorry - don't really understand what you're getting at? Rules are the same for everyone so not sure what difference it makes whether you're a pro or a club golfer playing in a competition. If you're playing in a friendly/social game with your mates, you can, of course, play by whatever rules you like as long as everyone is happy with that
+golf monthly
You obviously didn't understand my statement.
I NEVER said that the rules are not the same for everyone. My statement was directed at the "you need to know" part of your video. And I gave you a couple of examples.
1. Signing a score card. This is NOT a rule that every golfer needs to know. This is NOT a rule that the average recreational golfer needs to know. This is NOT a rule that is even going to affect your score. Thus it is NOT a rule the golfers need to know. This is a rule that golfers only need to know when they are playing in a competitive tournament.
A.L.Y.
Lots of common sense changes coming in 2019.
You must be great fun on a round
What? For playing by the Rules? :)