I was prescribed Adderall / Vyvanse at a higher dose than most likely anyone on earth I would bet. I know these types of videos are out here but it's hard for me to watch. those years were torture.. I can't believe I let myself be so gullible and naïve but needless to say I am not the same. I was once a creative energetic dude. Now I feel like a bag of bones.. this stuff eats away at every part of your mind, body and life. Maybe one day ill do a video of my insane story. This video was inspiring but maybe I should put it out in case it saves one kid from destroying their live with this junk. There is no short cuts in life. there is no secret pill to give you an edge. Thanks man. great vid
I have had other friends who went through it and have mentioned my book was to PTSD for them to digest. I get it. It's kind of easier sometimes to not relive it over and over and shit - I definitely did and suffered the consequences and learning the history definitely provides context for anger. Creativity comes back slow but sure and the pace at which projects come out is slower, but more careful and with better intention behind them - that's at least my experience. I hope this work helps and let me know if you ever decide to share your story
I have been coping with a loss that I believe was induced by adderall and online services like Done. I have researched for a better part of 2 years and this video explains much of my own thoughts and findings. This was exceptional aside from audio at the end, and helped explain things in an approachable reviewable way. It may not be much form a faceless stranger on the internet, but I sincerely thank you for sharing your journey. I wish you the best and looking forward to your next chapters.
I am so sorry for your loss. Done is a terrible organization and I am not surprised their executives are behind bars. The way they use their money and influence to pack the scripts of all the adhd influencers is subversive and wrong. Thanks so much for your comment. I was upset about the audio too, the microphone died and I chose to have a continuous delivery instead of a re-shoot. Your gratitude is really appreciated. It means a lot. These videos are a lot of work. I want it to be out there. So thank YOU.
I started to take it after ADHD diagnosis nearly two years ago, 37YO. It helped me turn my life around and now I can do everyday chores, stopped nicotine, energy drinks, therapy, became vegan, started running and working out and found hobby, which I can do and not be tired of it week later. I am much more confident in work and in myself and no longer using unhealthy coping strategies. My lifelong anxiety is almost gone. My psychiatrist prescribed it and suggested dosing and I titrated it to optimal levels with observing myself how it affects me and reporting it back to psychiatrist. But I had to read books, medical information about medication and ADHD and I know that not everyone is capable of. If you are prone to addiction and not working on healthy habits and going to therapy, it can be bad. Some days I am tired and depressed even on pills, the key is not taking higher doses to get that euphoria. Medication is like glasses. You can live without them, but it is a tool to help you get better. But you need to do the work. Sorry for wall of text I have maybe undiagnosed autism 😅
That's great to hear your life is going well. I hope it continues and you experience no negative side effects from the medication. they of course exist, but everybody is different and reacts differently to them and I sometimes wonder, being honest, if I would have had a better...or sustainable relationship to them had I not been so affected by a childhood and early development on them. I will say though, for many years in my twenties, I thrived on them they way you did and once I got off them, the problems they seemed to solve came back threefold. But again, we are all different. I never had thought of myself prone to addiction. I had been able to dabble in drinking, a smoke here or there and never struggled with a compulsion to continue a negative habit. It was not until withdrawing from adderall had I realized that I had quietly become an addict/dependant. I appreciate the wall of text and appreciate hearing your story and truly do hope it all works for you. My intention is never to take anyone away from something that is giving them help, it is to participate in the great dialogue. However, I will say that I fundamentally disagree with the glasses comparison. Glasses do not change your brain chemistry. Yes, there are arguments that glasses can make your vision worse over time, but the potential unknown cardiovascular and neurological effects of prolonged amphetamines use are far more treacherous than the effects of wearing glass lenses in front of your eyes. Again, I hope there are none for both our sake, but there are some frightening studies and science has not uncovered everything about everything. I am probably plenty autistic too to today's unique standards but in an anecdotal sense believe my time on those meds pushed me further along the spectrum when I was on them. This isn't totally uncommon. Very interesting indeed. Thanks for sharing and I am glad you are doing well. I hope you continue to thrive.
@@R.L.Kramer thank you. Glasses are not direct comparison, just how I feel it. Like if all the life secrets were in the book, but I had bad eyesight and reading it was really hard, nearly impossible. With "glasses" I can finally see it clearly. So I see medication as a crutch, not the cure. I dont feel any withdrawal from not taking it, so I think I'm okay. I was really addicted to nicotine and caffeine because it gave me stimulation so I self medicated myself with it from childhood. Sometimes tried weed, but because I'm mostly inattentive its only worse. I am curious how other people feel chemicals differently. I will find some studies about dangers of stimulant medication on children next, it sounds interesting. In my country they are giving them to children for free, but you have to do many hours of testing for diagnosis. Even as adult I have to do them and they are even more strict. There is no big pharma working with doctors, so they are not financially insentivised to prescribe it.
@@saladine Yes the US is wild with it. I was in the first big public cohort of children to take them. The studies about the dangers are much harder to find as most of them simply conclude that they need funds to run them and they struggle to find that funding. Like this study linking parkinsons to amphetamines is muddied by including both amphetamines and methamphetamine in the same group. Also, if you are a big reader, my book is free and it outlines my experience as a child and how I grew up with the meds. rlkramer.substack.com/p/i-am-giving-away-1000-digital-copies I have tried all those stimulants, weed, micro-doses...everything. Being on nothing is hard, I wouldn't recommend it to everyone. I definitely struggle, but I still choose to take on the challenge.
Thanks for putting out these videos man all the research I tried to do just pulls up why the drug is so good and how much it helps, the comment sections are just the same filled with people who sound like addicts but as an addict myself.. of course they feel good that’s what drugs do. Good on you for getting clean and spreading awareness. Thank you.
thank you for this. what frustrates me most is the stigma that “those who have ADHD can’t get addicted, if you do you don’t have ADHD” etc… simply untrue. everyone’s brain chemistry is different. i wonder how this will effect us in 20 years tbh
The (mostly) inconclusive studies on ADHD, ADHD medication and Parkinson’s is what worries me. From my understanding, it’s pretty well established that amphetamine abuse in younger years is correlated with higher rates of Parkinson’s, but that’s talking about hundreds of milligrams of amphetamine and/or methamphetamine a day. Dose is everything, and while it’s known that high dose methamphetamine and amphetamine is neurotoxic, low doses of methamphetamine is actually neuroprotective and being studied for use in treatment immediately after brain trauma to reduce the post-traumatic injury and help with recovery.
But there’s also the positive correlation with people who have ADHD and development of Parkinson’s later in life. So I wonder how they could parse out whether amphetamine at therapeutic doses increases, decreases, or has no effect on someone who has ADHD and their overall risk of developing Parkinson’s later in life? Really, it’s a matter of parsing out whether someone who has ADHD and later develops Parkinson’s was at higher risk because of the disease itself, or the treatment of the disease.
Excellent video!! 👊 Thank you for all the information, it's crazy how these pills control our lives and the doctor never tells us what it would be like if we stop... My Dr prescribed me adds for weight loss...little did I know they would rearrange my entire brain. It's a nightmare going thru withdrawal☠️ I'm a month in. I'm so glad I found your channel, it's a huge help. Thank you so much. ❤
I would have loved to see more history and ethnopharmacology, of plant based amphetamines. Unless i missed it there wasnt even a mention of Ephedra. And there was only a quick anecdote on Khat. Maybe another vid sometime soon? You could go for hours on those substances too. And since Ephedra basically is the inspiration for pharmaceutical amphetamines i would say it deserves a mention! Great work btw.
Thank you. I did mention ephedrine briefly at 5:48,as it’s sales for asthma inspired the amphetamine. Thank you for the suggestion. I actually do want to explore that subject. There is a lot to be explored and examined with both of those plants
Can you do a video on ritialn concerta please. I'm 13 months into withdrawal. My first year trying to come off I relapsed from withdrawal symptoms of anxiety depression dizziness to name a few.Yesterday I finally had my longest window. Today I didn't feel okay until about 430. Meaning I'm not crying or feel as depressed or brain fog. I did cold turkey and wish I wouldn't have.
I was prescribed Adderall / Vyvanse at a higher dose than most likely anyone on earth I would bet. I know these types of videos are out here but it's hard for me to watch. those years were torture.. I can't believe I let myself be so gullible and naïve but needless to say I am not the same. I was once a creative energetic dude. Now I feel like a bag of bones.. this stuff eats away at every part of your mind, body and life.
Maybe one day ill do a video of my insane story. This video was inspiring but maybe I should put it out in case it saves one kid from destroying their live with this junk. There is no short cuts in life. there is no secret pill to give you an edge.
Thanks man. great vid
I have had other friends who went through it and have mentioned my book was to PTSD for them to digest. I get it. It's kind of easier sometimes to not relive it over and over and shit - I definitely did and suffered the consequences and learning the history definitely provides context for anger.
Creativity comes back slow but sure and the pace at which projects come out is slower, but more careful and with better intention behind them - that's at least my experience.
I hope this work helps and let me know if you ever decide to share your story
I have been coping with a loss that I believe was induced by adderall and online services like Done.
I have researched for a better part of 2 years and this video explains much of my own thoughts and findings.
This was exceptional aside from audio at the end, and helped explain things in an approachable reviewable way.
It may not be much form a faceless stranger on the internet, but I sincerely thank you for sharing your journey.
I wish you the best and looking forward to your next chapters.
I am so sorry for your loss.
Done is a terrible organization and I am not surprised their executives are behind bars. The way they use their money and influence to pack the scripts of all the adhd influencers is subversive and wrong.
Thanks so much for your comment.
I was upset about the audio too, the microphone died and I chose to have a continuous delivery instead of a re-shoot.
Your gratitude is really appreciated. It means a lot. These videos are a lot of work. I want it to be out there. So thank YOU.
I started to take it after ADHD diagnosis nearly two years ago, 37YO. It helped me turn my life around and now I can do everyday chores, stopped nicotine, energy drinks, therapy, became vegan, started running and working out and found hobby, which I can do and not be tired of it week later. I am much more confident in work and in myself and no longer using unhealthy coping strategies. My lifelong anxiety is almost gone. My psychiatrist prescribed it and suggested dosing and I titrated it to optimal levels with observing myself how it affects me and reporting it back to psychiatrist. But I had to read books, medical information about medication and ADHD and I know that not everyone is capable of. If you are prone to addiction and not working on healthy habits and going to therapy, it can be bad. Some days I am tired and depressed even on pills, the key is not taking higher doses to get that euphoria. Medication is like glasses. You can live without them, but it is a tool to help you get better. But you need to do the work. Sorry for wall of text I have maybe undiagnosed autism 😅
That's great to hear your life is going well. I hope it continues and you experience no negative side effects from the medication. they of course exist, but everybody is different and reacts differently to them and I sometimes wonder, being honest, if I would have had a better...or sustainable relationship to them had I not been so affected by a childhood and early development on them. I will say though, for many years in my twenties, I thrived on them they way you did and once I got off them, the problems they seemed to solve came back threefold. But again, we are all different. I never had thought of myself prone to addiction. I had been able to dabble in drinking, a smoke here or there and never struggled with a compulsion to continue a negative habit. It was not until withdrawing from adderall had I realized that I had quietly become an addict/dependant. I appreciate the wall of text and appreciate hearing your story and truly do hope it all works for you. My intention is never to take anyone away from something that is giving them help, it is to participate in the great dialogue.
However, I will say that I fundamentally disagree with the glasses comparison. Glasses do not change your brain chemistry. Yes, there are arguments that glasses can make your vision worse over time, but the potential unknown cardiovascular and neurological effects of prolonged amphetamines use are far more treacherous than the effects of wearing glass lenses in front of your eyes. Again, I hope there are none for both our sake, but there are some frightening studies and science has not uncovered everything about everything.
I am probably plenty autistic too to today's unique standards but in an anecdotal sense believe my time on those meds pushed me further along the spectrum when I was on them. This isn't totally uncommon. Very interesting indeed.
Thanks for sharing and I am glad you are doing well. I hope you continue to thrive.
@@R.L.Kramer thank you. Glasses are not direct comparison, just how I feel it. Like if all the life secrets were in the book, but I had bad eyesight and reading it was really hard, nearly impossible. With "glasses" I can finally see it clearly. So I see medication as a crutch, not the cure. I dont feel any withdrawal from not taking it, so I think I'm okay. I was really addicted to nicotine and caffeine because it gave me stimulation so I self medicated myself with it from childhood. Sometimes tried weed, but because I'm mostly inattentive its only worse. I am curious how other people feel chemicals differently. I will find some studies about dangers of stimulant medication on children next, it sounds interesting. In my country they are giving them to children for free, but you have to do many hours of testing for diagnosis. Even as adult I have to do them and they are even more strict. There is no big pharma working with doctors, so they are not financially insentivised to prescribe it.
@@saladine Yes the US is wild with it. I was in the first big public cohort of children to take them. The studies about the dangers are much harder to find as most of them simply conclude that they need funds to run them and they struggle to find that funding.
Like this study linking parkinsons to amphetamines is muddied by including both amphetamines and methamphetamine in the same group.
Also, if you are a big reader, my book is free and it outlines my experience as a child and how I grew up with the meds.
rlkramer.substack.com/p/i-am-giving-away-1000-digital-copies
I have tried all those stimulants, weed, micro-doses...everything. Being on nothing is hard, I wouldn't recommend it to everyone. I definitely struggle, but I still choose to take on the challenge.
I like that the reply to a wall of text was two walls of text.
@@Hlbkomer I could build a skyscraper
Thanks for putting out these videos man all the research I tried to do just pulls up why the drug is so good and how much it helps, the comment sections are just the same filled with people who sound like addicts but as an addict myself.. of course they feel good that’s what drugs do. Good on you for getting clean and spreading awareness. Thank you.
Thanks for this comment.
thank you for this. what frustrates me most is the stigma that “those who have ADHD can’t get addicted, if you do you don’t have ADHD” etc… simply untrue. everyone’s brain chemistry is different. i wonder how this will effect us in 20 years tbh
I think about that too. Time will tell and it certainly inspires me to try to be as healthy/longevity conscious as possible.
The (mostly) inconclusive studies on ADHD, ADHD medication and Parkinson’s is what worries me. From my understanding, it’s pretty well established that amphetamine abuse in younger years is correlated with higher rates of Parkinson’s, but that’s talking about hundreds of milligrams of amphetamine and/or methamphetamine a day. Dose is everything, and while it’s known that high dose methamphetamine and amphetamine is neurotoxic, low doses of methamphetamine is actually neuroprotective and being studied for use in treatment immediately after brain trauma to reduce the post-traumatic injury and help with recovery.
But there’s also the positive correlation with people who have ADHD and development of Parkinson’s later in life. So I wonder how they could parse out whether amphetamine at therapeutic doses increases, decreases, or has no effect on someone who has ADHD and their overall risk of developing Parkinson’s later in life? Really, it’s a matter of parsing out whether someone who has ADHD and later develops Parkinson’s was at higher risk because of the disease itself, or the treatment of the disease.
@@codyaragon93 there needs to be more funding in this area
dude you're great keep making vids!
Thanks! I will!
Excellent video!! 👊 Thank you for all the information, it's crazy how these pills control our lives and the doctor never tells us what it would be like if we stop... My Dr prescribed me adds for weight loss...little did I know they would rearrange my entire brain. It's a nightmare going thru withdrawal☠️ I'm a month in. I'm so glad I found your channel, it's a huge help. Thank you so much. ❤
Did you have tic tacs in that bottle? Lmao
Empty orange capsules. lol
Love this editing and research! Appreciate you spreading awareness of the potential dangers of Adderall
I would have loved to see more history and ethnopharmacology, of plant based amphetamines. Unless i missed it there wasnt even a mention of Ephedra. And there was only a quick anecdote on Khat. Maybe another vid sometime soon? You could go for hours on those substances too. And since Ephedra basically is the inspiration for pharmaceutical amphetamines i would say it deserves a mention!
Great work btw.
Thank you. I did mention ephedrine briefly at 5:48,as it’s sales for asthma inspired the amphetamine. Thank you for the suggestion. I actually do want to explore that subject. There is a lot to be explored and examined with both of those plants
Can you do a video on ritialn concerta please. I'm 13 months into withdrawal. My first year trying to come off I relapsed from withdrawal symptoms of anxiety depression dizziness to name a few.Yesterday I finally had my longest window. Today I didn't feel okay until about 430. Meaning I'm not crying or feel as depressed or brain fog. I did cold turkey and wish I wouldn't have.
It's on the list. The next one is an examination of the subversive tactics of the "adhd influencer/coach"
Ok.
Thank you!
Thank you!!
May this reach the masses!!!
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I've taken this since I was 17. It's no longer the same medication.
@@cherryblossom-e7n what has changed?