Landing flap 15, power is reduced to achieve Vref at runway threshold and touchdown. If the aircraft is light, or coming in fast, power can be reduced to idle at 200 ft and the aircraft will glide nicely to touchdown. Using flap 35 for a short field landing is a different story. Full flaps creates lots of drag, and the aircraft will sink very rapidly and land hard (or just won't make the runway) if power is reduced too early. So power is kept all the way to the threshold, almost until flare.
This is an amazing video you made here. I've watched this so many times you would not believe it! I use your video as a motivation to get through high school with great marks, go to aviation college, and finally one day become a pilot! You have no idea how much I appreciate you making this video. Martin
Great video, thanks for posting. My dad work for AC for close to 40 years from the time he graduated from McGill University, worked at YUL when AC was based there back in the day. He was the head senior buyer for AC, unfortunately he pasted away 3 month's before his retirement with AC. Brings back memories, thank you for posting this video of the DH-Dash-8.
Every airline has its specific procedures, but most of the time they are pretty similar for a given aircraft type, since they are all based on the aircraft's manufacturer requirements. At Jazz the flap retraction altitude is normally 1000 ft above airport elevation. The reason being take-off performance calculations at Jazz are done using data provided by an external company (Aerodata), which in most case calls for a 1000' flap retraction altitude.
Yep, keep the power to the threshold (about 20-25% TRQ) with flaps 15. Start reducing just before the flare. Just like the Cessna, attitude (elevator trim) controls the airspeed, power controls the rate of descent. Once trimmed at 120 or so, use power to control your descent angle. Configure the aircraft early on final to get stabilized. The aircraft will touchdown at Vref with about 5 degrees nose up attitude.
Nice job on the video. I enjoyed getting a quick glimpse at the gauges, controls, alerts and systems onboard the Dash. Seeing the FMS and printer was a surprise to me! Thanks for making and posting!
I actually liked the music enough to download it from iTunes! Thanks for making AND posting your video! I enjoy it very much - especially the subtle details of what you and your FO are looking at during the flight!
Using flap 35, configure early to have enough time to retrim properly and stabilize your speed ans descent angle. We like to approach right at Vref but start first with Vref + 10 or 15 until flare. Keep power to the flare. And don't worry, even in the real airplane it takes a lot of practice for new pilots before they can make good short landings. But once you get the hang of it, it is a lot of fun. With a little headwind and a light aircraft, I have seen it come to a full stop under 1000ft.
@dash8brj GS & LOC are selected when available to get the Flight Director cues (autopilot off). The Flight Director is used most of the time. When turned on, the autopilot simply follows the Fight Director's commands, so basically anytime we switch the autopilot on the airplale simply keeps on doing what we were doing manually.
The video shows the 100 cockpit mostly. At Jazz we have both flavors (EFIS or electromechanical flight instruments) on both the 100 and 300. The cockpits on the 100 and 300 are almost identical. The 300 has larger NL gauges, slightly different air conditioning controls, stick pusher, flap 10 selection, no ground mode on the spoilers, speeds and limitations are a bit different, some have one more door (service door) and that's about it. The 300 is about 15 kts faster. Thanks for your comment!
@dyockey As mentionned earlier, the 100-200-300 series are started with the power lever at flight idle. Once the start sequence is complete and the engine stabilized, discing is usually selected (lower fuel burn and noise).
@somejazzguy This video has inspired me for two years now, ever since I was in college working on my licenses. I frequently used this as my inspiration throughout training as I went after my dream of flying the Dash 8 for jazz. As it turns out, I was one of the lucky ones go get selected for the Jazz interview program and succeeded. I watched this video at 5am in Toronto before my big interview. I don't think I was lacking motivation. Thanks for the post.
I know the Q400 is started in disc, but on the 100-200-300 Series the engine are started in Flt Idle. Same for all PT6 powered aircrafts I've flown. Not sure about other types. Disc is selected once the start sequance is complete, props still at Feather, to reduce noise and fuel burn.
nice video - I like the Dash 8 - started on the Dash 7, some (the best) years on the Tyrolean Dash 8-100 and 300, and current on the Austrian Arrows Q400. The good old Prop's :-)
I'm not a pilot, but an fs2009 addict and wanna be. I love this video you made and the detail work showing all the instruments. Very cool and interesting. Thanks for sharing!
In the FPL page, where you have a list of all the waypoints in your flight plan, on the right column you can enter crossing altitudes for each fix. Then you go to the VNAV 1 page and you should see the first one. If not you can select it and change it for another one if you like. There are 3 fields, on the left is the fix name, the 2nd is a distance from the fix for the crossing altitude, and the 3rd is the crossing altitude.
Music is from TH-cam's Audioswap feature (Dance & Electronic). Title: Soulmate In Every City artist: Summer Channel album: The Sweet Sound of Inevitability
@bladeere14 I started in an aviation college, there was not a lot of flying jobs available back then, so I did the instructor course. Worked as a flight instructor for over a year, then got hired by a small regional airline flying PA-31s and small turboprops, worked there for about 2 years, then got hired by Air Alliance in Quebec City, wich eventually got merged with Air Nova, then became Air Canada Regional, then Jazz Air.
Videos like this inspire me to get through my aviation program. My goal is to fly for Air Canada, hopefully only a few years after graduation. Great video! sweet little planes those are!!
The descent path is based on the rate of descent you entered and the groundspeed at that time. When you start down, the aircraft accelerates, and it will have a greater rate of descent then what was specified. So we usually enter something like 1300 feet per minute, and when descending it gives us about 1500 fpm wich is a normal descent rate for a Dash8.
@b4champ ATPL required for FOs. We fly 80-85 hrs per month. We get 14-16 days off per month, depending on equipment, seniority, etc. With the layovers, about 75-85 hrs per week away from home. You would be based wherever they need you. Right now HZ is a very small base, Dash 8 only, and unless I'm wrong, fairly senior too. So very slim chance of getting YHZ. Many ex-QK guys took a downgrade to FO or stepped down from the BAe146 to the Dash to stay in YHZ and avoid commuting to YUL or YYZ.
No, as long as the engine is running there is always a torque value. The lower it gets during approach is about 5 percent, depending on aircraft speed and propeller rpm setting. In the engine, TRQ is sensed along the drive shaft connecting the power turbine to the propeller gearbox.
Almost no forward thrust as the propellers are in the feather position during starts. After engine start, DISCING is selected on the power levers as the props are unfeathered, so very little forward thrust produced, and for a brief moment. Engine exhaust, even at idle, actually makes some thrust. Not enough to start the aircraft moving, but once it gets going, there is enough exhaust thrust to taxi the aircraft with both engines feathered and power levers at flight idle...
First Officers: 36K (new hire) to about 65K per year (senior F/O). Captains: 75K (newly upgraded) to just over 100K (senior Capt). Pay is the same for all aircraft types. Upgrade to time Capt position is about 9 years right now.
Thanks! I only fly Cessnas in real life, but the Dash 8 I fly in MS flight simulator. (Majestic Software Dash 8). It seems ok, but needs power all the way down, even with flaps 15. A reduction to idle drops her like a stone. Great landing in the video by the way. I have to work hard at landing that short in a Cessna! Thanks again for the info and for posting the vid.
We usally fly 82-85hr per month. On the Dash, we usually work about 16 9h-14h days per month (average about 10hrs duty day). Might be better (or worst) depending on your seniority and your base. We fly about 5 flights per day on average. This usually means 4 days of work per week, away from home. A fair number of guys are commuters (they don't live where they are based and have to commute to and from work, sometimes across the country.
If you want to start down early, or if you could not maintain the descent path for some reason (ATC, traffic, etc) you can have the FMS recalculate a new descent path from your current position by hitting the VTO key in the VNAV 1 page. This is 'vertical direct to', similal to DTO, wich flies direct to a waypoint, but in the vertical plane. Keep in mind the FMS will not fly vertical to a waypoint if there is a NO LINK, VECTOR or GAP in the flight plan between you and the waypoint.
@kii519 lol. Why do you consider larger aircraft as an upgrade? Not everyone wants to do the boring ass long hauls. I know guys at Jazz who are planning to stay there their whole careers. Good lifestyle, good pay, amazing pension plans, and fun routings. It's not much fun letting the autopilot fly as you sit there.
@somejazzguy Thanks! i appreciate the advice, im going to the moncton aviation college after high school (hopefully), where i live there are many charter airlines and small air companys that fight fires, fly people to fishing grounds and so on, i never really thought of joining one of them but i might reconsider, an experienced airline pilot is a better pilot i suppose. i know its tough for most piots starting out, most pilots quit but i cant see myself doing anything else. thanks for the advice
I got my instructor rating, worked at a flight school for about a year, then got hired at a small operator flying Navajos and a small turboprop, I worked there for 2 years. Then I got hired at Jazz (well, that wasn't called Jazz back then, it was well prior the AC regional merge).
You can select a rate of descent and the FMS will compute a descent path and top of descent. Vertical guidance should appear in your EFIS, just like an ILS glideslope pointer. When you reach top of descent the FMS will issue a message, and the pointer will follow the descent path. To couple the flightdirector/autopilot to the descent path, hit the VNAV button on the glareshield. The aircraft will capture the descent path just like an ILS glideslope and the button will show CAP (capture).
@bladeere14 Jazz did hire some aviation college graduates a couple years ago. My opinion, and the opinion of most of my fellow pilots, is you could propably teach a monkey how to fly a Dash 8 or RJ, anybody can do that when given enough training, but nothing can replace the experience you get when flying the smaller planes at the smaller operators. The experience you acquire there - while not necessarily essential - you will use for the rest of your carreer. It's the best path, IMO.
Starting salary for an FO is $41/hour, with a monthly and reserve guarantee of 77.5-82.5 flying hou, per diems $79.62/day, and Jazz with pay 150% salary with any flying over 85 hours per month. Jazz comes with full benefits and a great pension (something like $80 000/year after 20 years service). Great place to be right now. The pay is low compared to AC and WJA, but the perdiems and the benefits make up for it. The flying is a lot of fun too, and good schedules.
i flying the 300 and 200 as captain, i was first officer on Q400, one of the difference between them is start up, flight idle for 200/300 and DISC for Q400
Rumors for now. Jazz has announced a "fleet renewal program" whitout giving much details, and a few days later Bombardier announced an order for Q400s from some "undisclosed customer". Keep in mind that the pilot group, like most employees at Jazz right now, are in contract negociations, and of course no employees expects the airline to make any annoncements until the new contracts are signed.
This will vary with flap setting, but usually around 5 degrees. Probably a little less with full flaps, altough you could crank her up to about 8 or 9 degrees. But then the speed gets very low, stick shaker can activate and you risk a tail strike. The 300 series is limited to 6 degrees, above that you risk a tail strike. Usually the touchdown occurs close to Vref speed in a normal +/- 5 degrees nose up.
I don't know what type of FMS you have in your simulator, but we have Universal's UNS FMS and yes, it can perform VNAV descents to cross a fix at a specific altitude, and we can also fly RNAV (GPS) approaches with vertical guidance.
I didn't know that, this is good news. I bet the FSS guys will be happy too (I believe some are actually ex-ATC guys who went FSS when they closed the tower years ago).
I occasionally fly to YQM, more often to YFC. Also a lot of training in YFC, and the place is uncontrolled. There have been a few issues with the training flights in YFC, mainly language issues (trainees very hard to understand). It's the only place I see FSS guys acting like ATC, actually asking flight to hold short, give way, do a stop and go, etc. They should bring back the control tower, as it gets pretty cahotic at times, and we are not always comfortable with all this, to say the least.
I understand that completely. We have instituted some new SOPs to try and make the situation safer. I never understand what the trainees are saying, And I feel uneasy going in there too The good news for you guys is that the tower is being recommisioned in December.
About the sound track: I initially uploaded the vid without any audio, then I searched TH-cam's Audio Swap, trying to find a music track with a lenght similar to my video. I found this track that fits amazingly well (IMO), with the calm part in cruise, etc. The video looks like it's been edited to fit the music, but no, the vid was made, than I found that music, and it turned out great.
Don't know where you are from, but usually there a 3 ways to get your commercial licence: 1- military 2-aviation college 3-private flying school. For me it was option #2 lime many other Jazz pilots, some at Jazz are ex-miltary, and many went the #3 option.
Red ones are faster! (just kidding!) No special meaning that I know of. Different colors are simply part of the Jazz branding, maybe a reminescent of the original 4 companies that made Jazz (Air Nova/Air Ontario/CRA/AirBC), I don't know. Thanks for the comment!
No licence required before an Aviation College. You get the licence at the College. Cadets - at least in Canada, I don't where you are from - can get you a private pilot licence. This can certainly help you when applying to a College. Cadets that get the pilot training are usually serious, motivated and hard working fellows, and the Colleges certainly consider this when selecting candidates.
At rotation our procedure calls for a pitch attitude that gives a speed of V2 + 10 to 15kts , to 1000 AGL, then flaps 0, set climb power (900RPM, 90%TRQ) while lowering nose to achieve a climb speed of 160kts (wich is about 5deg nose up). Then we set either IAS mode or simply Pitch Mode (my preference). On your flight sim, set your flight director to GA-HDG before takeoff, and simply rotate to the flight director. That should give you a nice climb attitude and correct speed (12 deg nose up).
Hope to be in your seat someday, just gotta get that blasted Multi IFR finished. Not to mention the "entry" level jobs that are so hard to find. Any advice for a first time flight job that doesn't require instructing. I actally am in flight school with a guy who's dad flies the 8's for Jazz.
First you set the altitude you want to climb or descent to in the Altitude Selector (seen at 2:42 in the vid) and press the ALT SEL button on the autopilot controller (ALT SEL tells to autopilot to level off at the altitude set in the Selector). Then you have to select a vertical mode to get to this altitude: for a climb, select IAS (ex: 160 kts) or Pitch (5deg nose up works good), to descent use VS. Adjust the speed or rate (shown in the Advisory Display) as required with the thumb wheel.
Awesome info, thanks jazzguy. One of the checklists I have says that after rotation, you set the initial pitch of 15deg to maintain 120kias until 400ft, then lower the nose to 10deg, let her accelerate, raise flaps, set climb power (85%, 1050rpm) and then turn on autopilot (hdg, ias 165, and aux-nav for LNAV if desired). Other checklists I have found are completely different. Is this the procedure used by Jazz? BTW, I love how the music in the vid is calm level at FL230... in the clouds...
@somejazzguy well it ain't a rumor no more! Jazz ordered 15 Q400's with 15 more options! Now I wanna fly jazz! The Q400 along with the other dash 8's r my fab aircraft! But I'm wondering if I should work with porter cause they r a truly amazing airline. I'm kinda lost. But I am going start my career with provincial airlines in NF. After that remains a ???.
Great video! Love it. I am 42 years old. Currently work as an avionics engineer. I have a Commercial License with a Multi IFR rating with approximately 400 hours of flight time. Am I too old in Canada to switch careers with the desire to get into a regional carrier such as Jazz?
nice video, love the instrumentational view (specially the shot of the FMC changing waypoints), the altimiter reaching cruise, and watching the prop rpm counters come up to 1050 on approach. Perfect timing on the gear indicators :) Whats the song called? Awesome footage - like others said, bet it took you a while!
I fell asleep watching this, but not in the way you guys would thing. I was thorougly mesmorized as I love the dehavilland dash 8 - its my favourite plane. Thanks for a cool overview of the aircrafts cockpit, and its systems (some of which I know), I really appreciate it. P.S. GS and LOC? was someone using the A/P to land? :)
How did you get started into aviation, im 16 now, going for my private license which i will hopefully get a couple of months after i turn 17. Would an airline like Jazz hire right out of an aviation school or college, or would i have to take a job as a flight instructor and such first?
Hi JERademo - I am currently not with Jazz, and I apologize for giving you that impression. I have a lot of friends, however, that currently work for them, and that's where I get all my information, which is relatively current. Something to note is that the per-diems are around $80/day in un-taxable income, meaning that if you only spend $25/day of it, you could easily bring home an extra $10 000 annually of un-taxable income.
It's all too common for people to put a dance track to back their flight videos....I don't come to dance but to admire the plane. Wonder why people do that
We can only have Jazz employees in the jumpseat, or Air Canada aircrews (pilot or F/A only). Other airline's pilots can also "ride the jumpseat" but in fact they actually have to sit in the cabin with the passengers. Federal law recently changed on this, other airline pilots they can now legally sit up front with us, but Jazz's corporate policy hasn't changed yet so they still have to sit in the back. Hopefully one day we'll have a 'bring your kids at work" day in the airline industry,..
Howdy. Pretty slick vid JazzGuy! I worked with another operator (not flying) for a while, and just noticed some things; - You guys have an op spec for landing at props 1050? I noticed the increase at around 6:30 was only to 1050. Is it common to use 1050? Or a mix? - Nice to see a good old Electro-Mechanical cockpit...with the UNS's..and a printer! Very nice. Are all the Jazz 8's similarly equipped? Or just the -100s? How's about the -300's? - It's great to see your enjoying your Jazz time.
I won't go into details, but you have to look at the history of union fights over common employer and seniority issues between Air Canada and its regional carriers to understand.
Somejazzguy; I see :). Thx for the reply. But I still don't understand why it's started in flight idle. I believe most turboprops are started in disc/full fine. Am I wrong?
It may happen if flightsim os overloadad i think. I had similar problems on my laptop with PMDG MD-11, but now i have more powerfull PC and i do not have any problems like this.
Your video is fantastic, and it is a shame that you cannot bring your kids. I recognize YUL and YQB as I started my training in Montreal and now I am in Moncton at MFC. We share the circuit with dash 8s occasionally, do you fly into YQM? I was speaking with one of the RJ pilots at Jazz and he feels we are pretty dangerous trainees. i should be finishing my training in may 2010 with about 270 hours, and a university degree. Hopefully I will get a chance to do this one day!!. Happy Trails!
wow, awesome flight i hope to be in that seat (im only just starting and getting ready to do my checkride for PP). How long did it take you to get in your current position?
Very nice video! Love the Dash 8! Is it the same procedure at JZA as it is on all turboprop planes that it is after 400ft Flaps 0? Wideroe in norway have after takeoff, they call out 400 feet, flaps 0, is it the same at JZA? Just keep em coming! :D
I'm away from home 90-95 hours per week, everyweek. Since 9-11 we are not allowed to have anybody seat in the cockpit's jumpseat, including our family members. My kids know I'm a pilot, but they never saw me at work, they don't have a clue of what its like. I made this video to show them what their father does for a living, what he does when he's away all the time. So no, this video is not for me. After about 12K hours on the Dash 8 in 20 years, I don't need any video to remind me how it's like.
Landing flap 15, power is reduced to achieve Vref at runway threshold and touchdown.
If the aircraft is light, or coming in fast, power can be reduced to idle at 200 ft and the aircraft will glide nicely to touchdown.
Using flap 35 for a short field landing is a different story. Full flaps creates lots of drag, and the aircraft will sink very rapidly and land hard (or just won't make the runway) if power is reduced too early. So power is kept all the way to the threshold, almost until flare.
This is an amazing video you made here. I've watched this so many times you would not believe it! I use your video as a motivation to get through high school with great marks, go to aviation college, and finally one day become a pilot! You have no idea how much I appreciate you making this video.
Martin
Great video, thanks for posting. My dad work for AC for close to 40 years from the time he graduated from McGill University, worked at YUL when AC was based there back in the day. He was the head senior buyer for AC, unfortunately he pasted away 3 month's before his retirement with AC. Brings back memories, thank you for posting this video of the DH-Dash-8.
Every airline has its specific procedures, but most of the time they are pretty similar for a given aircraft type, since they are all based on the aircraft's manufacturer requirements.
At Jazz the flap retraction altitude is normally 1000 ft above airport elevation. The reason being take-off performance calculations at Jazz are done using data provided by an external company (Aerodata), which in most case calls for a 1000' flap retraction altitude.
Yep, keep the power to the threshold (about 20-25% TRQ) with flaps 15. Start reducing just before the flare.
Just like the Cessna, attitude (elevator trim) controls the airspeed, power controls the rate of descent. Once trimmed at 120 or so, use power to control your descent angle.
Configure the aircraft early on final to get stabilized. The aircraft will touchdown at Vref with about 5 degrees nose up attitude.
Nice job on the video. I enjoyed getting a quick glimpse at the gauges, controls, alerts and systems onboard the Dash. Seeing the FMS and printer was a surprise to me! Thanks for making and posting!
I actually liked the music enough to download it from iTunes! Thanks for making AND posting your video! I enjoy it very much - especially the subtle details of what you and your FO are looking at during the flight!
Awesome video!! It really shows the joys of flying!
Using flap 35, configure early to have enough time to retrim properly and stabilize your speed ans descent angle. We like to approach right at Vref but start first with Vref + 10 or 15 until flare. Keep power to the flare.
And don't worry, even in the real airplane it takes a lot of practice for new pilots before they can make good short landings. But once you get the hang of it, it is a lot of fun. With a little headwind and a light aircraft, I have seen it come to a full stop under 1000ft.
@dash8brj GS & LOC are selected when available to get the Flight Director cues (autopilot off). The Flight Director is used most of the time. When turned on, the autopilot simply follows the Fight Director's commands, so basically anytime we switch the autopilot on the airplale simply keeps on doing what we were doing manually.
The video shows the 100 cockpit mostly. At Jazz we have both flavors (EFIS or electromechanical flight instruments) on both the 100 and 300. The cockpits on the 100 and 300 are almost identical. The 300 has larger NL gauges, slightly different air conditioning controls, stick pusher, flap 10 selection, no ground mode on the spoilers, speeds and limitations are a bit different, some have one more door (service door) and that's about it. The 300 is about 15 kts faster. Thanks for your comment!
@dyockey As mentionned earlier, the 100-200-300 series are started with the power lever at flight idle. Once the start sequence is complete and the engine stabilized, discing is usually selected (lower fuel burn and noise).
@somejazzguy This video has inspired me for two years now, ever since I was in college working on my licenses. I frequently used this as my inspiration throughout training as I went after my dream of flying the Dash 8 for jazz. As it turns out, I was one of the lucky ones go get selected for the Jazz interview program and succeeded. I watched this video at 5am in Toronto before my big interview. I don't think I was lacking motivation. Thanks for the post.
I know the Q400 is started in disc, but on the 100-200-300 Series the engine are started in Flt Idle. Same for all PT6 powered aircrafts I've flown. Not sure about other types.
Disc is selected once the start sequance is complete, props still at Feather, to reduce noise and fuel burn.
nice video - I like the Dash 8 - started on the Dash 7, some (the best) years on the Tyrolean Dash 8-100 and 300, and current on the Austrian Arrows Q400. The good old Prop's :-)
I'm not a pilot, but an fs2009 addict and wanna be. I love this video you made and the detail work showing all the instruments. Very cool and interesting. Thanks for sharing!
In the FPL page, where you have a list of all the waypoints in your flight plan, on the right column you can enter crossing altitudes for each fix.
Then you go to the VNAV 1 page and you should see the first one. If not you can select it and change it for another one if you like. There are 3 fields, on the left is the fix name, the 2nd is a distance from the fix for the crossing altitude, and the 3rd is the crossing altitude.
Music is from TH-cam's Audioswap feature (Dance & Electronic).
Title: Soulmate In Every City
artist: Summer Channel
album: The Sweet Sound of Inevitability
J'ai adoré ton video. Belle démonstration du travail de pilote et du fonctionnement des contrôles. Merci
@bladeere14 I started in an aviation college, there was not a lot of flying jobs available back then, so I did the instructor course. Worked as a flight instructor for over a year, then got hired by a small regional airline flying PA-31s and small turboprops, worked there for about 2 years, then got hired by Air Alliance in Quebec City, wich eventually got merged with Air Nova, then became Air Canada Regional, then Jazz Air.
Videos like this inspire me to get through my aviation program. My goal is to fly for Air Canada, hopefully only a few years after graduation. Great video! sweet little planes those are!!
The descent path is based on the rate of descent you entered and the groundspeed at that time. When you start down, the aircraft accelerates, and it will have a greater rate of descent then what was specified. So we usually enter something like 1300 feet per minute, and when descending it gives us about 1500 fpm wich is a normal descent rate for a Dash8.
@b4champ
ATPL required for FOs.
We fly 80-85 hrs per month. We get 14-16 days off per month, depending on equipment, seniority, etc. With the layovers, about 75-85 hrs per week away from home.
You would be based wherever they need you. Right now HZ is a very small base, Dash 8 only, and unless I'm wrong, fairly senior too. So very slim chance of getting YHZ. Many ex-QK guys took a downgrade to FO or stepped down from the BAe146 to the Dash to stay in YHZ and avoid commuting to YUL or YYZ.
No, as long as the engine is running there is always a torque value. The lower it gets during approach is about 5 percent, depending on aircraft speed and propeller rpm setting. In the engine, TRQ is sensed along the drive shaft connecting the power turbine to the propeller gearbox.
Almost no forward thrust as the propellers are in the feather position during starts. After engine start, DISCING is selected on the power levers as the props are unfeathered, so very little forward thrust produced, and for a brief moment.
Engine exhaust, even at idle, actually makes some thrust. Not enough to start the aircraft moving, but once it gets going, there is enough exhaust thrust to taxi the aircraft with both engines feathered and power levers at flight idle...
First Officers: 36K (new hire) to about 65K per year (senior F/O).
Captains: 75K (newly upgraded) to just over 100K (senior Capt).
Pay is the same for all aircraft types.
Upgrade to time Capt position is about 9 years right now.
Thanks! I only fly Cessnas in real life, but the Dash 8 I fly in MS flight simulator. (Majestic Software Dash 8). It seems ok, but needs power all the way down, even with flaps 15. A reduction to idle drops her like a stone. Great landing in the video by the way. I have to work hard at landing that short in a Cessna! Thanks again for the info and for posting the vid.
We usally fly 82-85hr per month. On the Dash, we usually work about 16 9h-14h days per month (average about 10hrs duty day). Might be better (or worst) depending on your seniority and your base. We fly about 5 flights per day on average. This usually means 4 days of work per week, away from home. A fair number of guys are commuters (they don't live where they are based and have to commute to and from work, sometimes across the country.
If you want to start down early, or if you could not maintain the descent path for some reason (ATC, traffic, etc) you can have the FMS recalculate a new descent path from your current position by hitting the VTO key in the VNAV 1 page. This is 'vertical direct to', similal to DTO, wich flies direct to a waypoint, but in the vertical plane.
Keep in mind the FMS will not fly vertical to a waypoint if there is a NO LINK, VECTOR or GAP in the flight plan between you and the waypoint.
@kii519 lol. Why do you consider larger aircraft as an upgrade? Not everyone wants to do the boring ass long hauls. I know guys at Jazz who are planning to stay there their whole careers. Good lifestyle, good pay, amazing pension plans, and fun routings. It's not much fun letting the autopilot fly as you sit there.
So that's the basics, keep in mind the FMS can be a pretty complex animal to master, there are a lot of stuff to know to make it work properly.
@somejazzguy Thanks! i appreciate the advice, im going to the moncton aviation college after high school (hopefully), where i live there are many charter airlines and small air companys that fight fires, fly people to fishing grounds and so on, i never really thought of joining one of them but i might reconsider, an experienced airline pilot is a better pilot i suppose. i know its tough for most piots starting out, most pilots quit but i cant see myself doing anything else. thanks for the advice
I got my instructor rating, worked at a flight school for about a year, then got hired at a small operator flying Navajos and a small turboprop, I worked there for 2 years. Then I got hired at Jazz (well, that wasn't called Jazz back then, it was well prior the AC regional merge).
Awesome. Thanks for all the info and replying to my questions!
You can select a rate of descent and the FMS will compute a descent path and top of descent. Vertical guidance should appear in your EFIS, just like an ILS glideslope pointer. When you reach top of descent the FMS will issue a message, and the pointer will follow the descent path. To couple the flightdirector/autopilot to the descent path, hit the VNAV button on the glareshield. The aircraft will capture the descent path just like an ILS glideslope and the button will show CAP (capture).
@bladeere14 Jazz did hire some aviation college graduates a couple years ago. My opinion, and the opinion of most of my fellow pilots, is you could propably teach a monkey how to fly a Dash 8 or RJ, anybody can do that when given enough training, but nothing can replace the experience you get when flying the smaller planes at the smaller operators. The experience you acquire there - while not necessarily essential - you will use for the rest of your carreer. It's the best path, IMO.
Starting salary for an FO is $41/hour, with a monthly and reserve guarantee of 77.5-82.5 flying hou, per diems $79.62/day, and Jazz with pay 150% salary with any flying over 85 hours per month. Jazz comes with full benefits and a great pension (something like $80 000/year after 20 years service). Great place to be right now. The pay is low compared to AC and WJA, but the perdiems and the benefits make up for it. The flying is a lot of fun too, and good schedules.
i flying the 300 and 200 as captain, i was first officer on Q400, one of the difference between them is start up, flight idle for 200/300 and DISC for Q400
Rumors for now. Jazz has announced a "fleet renewal program" whitout giving much details, and a few days later Bombardier announced an order for Q400s from some "undisclosed customer". Keep in mind that the pilot group, like most employees at Jazz right now, are in contract negociations, and of course no employees expects the airline to make any annoncements until the new contracts are signed.
This will vary with flap setting, but usually around 5 degrees. Probably a little less with full flaps, altough you could crank her up to about 8 or 9 degrees. But then the speed gets very low, stick shaker can activate and you risk a tail strike. The 300 series is limited to 6 degrees, above that you risk a tail strike. Usually the touchdown occurs close to Vref speed in a normal +/- 5 degrees nose up.
I don't know what type of FMS you have in your simulator, but we have Universal's UNS FMS and yes, it can perform VNAV descents to cross a fix at a specific altitude, and we can also fly RNAV (GPS) approaches with vertical guidance.
Thank you for this video!, I'm about to get my PPL at YHU near YUL. I hope I'll be your FO in few years :P
Thanks. Part of the fleet has EFIS, part has standard instruments.
I didn't know that, this is good news. I bet the FSS guys will be happy too (I believe some are actually ex-ATC guys who went FSS when they closed the tower years ago).
I occasionally fly to YQM, more often to YFC. Also a lot of training in YFC, and the place is uncontrolled. There have been a few issues with the training flights in YFC, mainly language issues (trainees very hard to understand). It's the only place I see FSS guys acting like ATC, actually asking flight to hold short, give way, do a stop and go, etc. They should bring back the control tower, as it gets pretty cahotic at times, and we are not always comfortable with all this, to say the least.
Good video & Good Gift for your kid
I went to an aviation College. That was quite a long time ago...
this is awesome greetings from the Caribbean :) !!!!!
I understand that completely. We have instituted some new SOPs to try and make the situation safer. I never understand what the trainees are saying, And I feel uneasy going in there too The good news for you guys is that the tower is being recommisioned in December.
About the sound track: I initially uploaded the vid without any audio, then I searched TH-cam's Audio Swap, trying to find a music track with a lenght similar to my video. I found this track that fits amazingly well (IMO), with the calm part in cruise, etc. The video looks like it's been edited to fit the music, but no, the vid was made, than I found that music, and it turned out great.
Don't know where you are from, but usually there a 3 ways to get your commercial licence: 1- military 2-aviation college 3-private flying school. For me it was option #2 lime many other Jazz pilots, some at Jazz are ex-miltary, and many went the #3 option.
Red ones are faster! (just kidding!)
No special meaning that I know of. Different colors are simply part of the Jazz branding, maybe a reminescent of the original 4 companies that made Jazz (Air Nova/Air Ontario/CRA/AirBC), I don't know.
Thanks for the comment!
No licence required before an Aviation College. You get the licence at the College. Cadets - at least in Canada, I don't where you are from - can get you a private pilot licence. This can certainly help you when applying to a College. Cadets that get the pilot training are usually serious, motivated and hard working fellows, and the Colleges certainly consider this when selecting candidates.
Yes, If you feel like you're not working hard enough you can come here and watch the video!
At rotation our procedure calls for a pitch attitude that gives a speed of V2 + 10 to 15kts , to 1000 AGL, then flaps 0, set climb power (900RPM, 90%TRQ) while lowering nose to achieve a climb speed of 160kts (wich is about 5deg nose up). Then we set either IAS mode or simply Pitch Mode (my preference).
On your flight sim, set your flight director to GA-HDG before takeoff, and simply rotate to the flight director. That should give you a nice climb attitude and correct speed (12 deg nose up).
awsome video!nice flying wheather!!Im from AÇORES, SATA AIR AÇORES also flyes dash8!thanks for posting!!
Hope to be in your seat someday, just gotta get that blasted Multi IFR finished. Not to mention the "entry" level jobs that are so hard to find. Any advice for a first time flight job that doesn't require instructing.
I actally am in flight school with a guy who's dad flies the 8's for Jazz.
just love that airplane
Awesome video!!! Congrats!
Pilot Flying: Some Jazz Guy. Pilot Monitoring: Giorgio Moroder.
Nice video! Very detailed.
awsome video.thanks for sharing.
First you set the altitude you want to climb or descent to in the Altitude Selector (seen at 2:42 in the vid) and press the ALT SEL button on the autopilot controller (ALT SEL tells to autopilot to level off at the altitude set in the Selector). Then you have to select a vertical mode to get to this altitude: for a climb, select IAS (ex: 160 kts) or Pitch (5deg nose up works good), to descent use VS. Adjust the speed or rate (shown in the Advisory Display) as required with the thumb wheel.
Dash-8 must be the safest plane in the air!
Awesome info, thanks jazzguy. One of the checklists I have says that after rotation, you set the initial pitch of 15deg to maintain 120kias until 400ft, then lower the nose to 10deg, let her accelerate, raise flaps, set climb power (85%, 1050rpm) and then turn on autopilot (hdg, ias 165, and aux-nav for LNAV if desired). Other checklists I have found are completely different. Is this the procedure used by Jazz? BTW, I love how the music in the vid is calm level at FL230... in the clouds...
@kii519 Jazz is not Air Canada. Air Canada used to own Jazz, but not anymore. They are separate airlines now, with a commercial contract between them.
@somejazzguy well it ain't a rumor no more! Jazz ordered 15 Q400's with 15 more options! Now I wanna fly jazz! The Q400 along with the other dash 8's r my fab aircraft! But I'm wondering if I should work with porter cause they r a truly amazing airline. I'm kinda lost. But I am going start my career with provincial airlines in NF. After that remains a ???.
You don't need a College degree to get into Jazz or Westjet. Just a really good resume with lots of flying experience and a good attitude.
Great Video!
Great video! Love it.
I am 42 years old. Currently work as an avionics engineer. I have a Commercial License with a Multi IFR rating with approximately 400 hours of flight time. Am I too old in Canada to switch careers with the desire to get into a regional carrier such as Jazz?
nice video, love the instrumentational view (specially the shot of the FMC changing waypoints), the altimiter reaching cruise, and watching the prop rpm counters come up to 1050 on approach. Perfect timing on the gear indicators :) Whats the song called? Awesome footage - like others said, bet it took you a while!
I fell asleep watching this, but not in the way you guys would thing. I was thorougly mesmorized as I love the dehavilland dash 8 - its my favourite plane. Thanks for a cool overview of the aircrafts cockpit, and its systems (some of which I know), I really appreciate it. P.S. GS and LOC? was someone using the A/P to land? :)
Nice vid!! Love it!
How did you get started into aviation, im 16 now, going for my private license which i will hopefully get a couple of months after i turn 17. Would an airline like Jazz hire right out of an aviation school or college, or would i have to take a job as a flight instructor and such first?
So if I live in Montreal (which I do) I could be based here or I could be based in Toronto , Halifax etc.
Sorry I don't remember the name of the song. It comes from TH-cam's Audio Swap feature.
Hi JERademo - I am currently not with Jazz, and I apologize for giving you that impression. I have a lot of friends, however, that currently work for them, and that's where I get all my information, which is relatively current. Something to note is that the per-diems are around $80/day in un-taxable income, meaning that if you only spend $25/day of it, you could easily bring home an extra $10 000 annually of un-taxable income.
It's all too common for people to put a dance track to back their flight videos....I don't come to dance but to admire the plane. Wonder why people do that
We can only have Jazz employees in the jumpseat, or Air Canada aircrews (pilot or F/A only). Other airline's pilots can also "ride the jumpseat" but in fact they actually have to sit in the cabin with the passengers. Federal law recently changed on this, other airline pilots they can now legally sit up front with us, but Jazz's corporate policy hasn't changed yet so they still have to sit in the back. Hopefully one day we'll have a 'bring your kids at work" day in the airline industry,..
Howdy. Pretty slick vid JazzGuy! I worked with another operator (not flying) for a while, and just noticed some things;
- You guys have an op spec for landing at props 1050? I noticed the increase at around 6:30 was only to 1050. Is it common to use 1050? Or a mix?
- Nice to see a good old Electro-Mechanical cockpit...with the UNS's..and a printer! Very nice. Are all the Jazz 8's similarly equipped? Or just the -100s? How's about the -300's?
- It's great to see your enjoying your Jazz time.
I won't go into details, but you have to look at the history of union fights over common employer and seniority issues between Air Canada and its regional carriers to understand.
can someone teach me rnav aproach with pss dash 8 ? i got the newest air data installed .
Do you guy start the engines in flight idle? I drive the Q400 and we start em in disc.
Why is the Dash 8 started in flight idle and not disc? Doesn't it produce a lot of forward motion when started?
How is the schedule life of a pilot at jazz?
Please read the comments. It's been mentioned before.
Somejazzguy; I see :). Thx for the reply. But I still don't understand why it's started in flight idle. I believe most turboprops are started in disc/full fine. Am I wrong?
It may happen if flightsim os overloadad i think.
I had similar problems on my laptop with PMDG MD-11, but now i have more powerfull PC and i do not have any problems like this.
Your video is fantastic, and it is a shame that you cannot bring your kids. I recognize YUL and YQB as I started my training in Montreal and now I am in Moncton at MFC. We share the circuit with dash 8s occasionally, do you fly into YQM? I was speaking with one of the RJ pilots at Jazz and he feels we are pretty dangerous trainees. i should be finishing my training in may 2010 with about 270 hours, and a university degree. Hopefully I will get a chance to do this one day!!. Happy Trails!
@Chuky13XD Training for new hires at Jazz is something like 2 months.
I recognize CYQB when you landed
wow, awesome flight i hope to be in that seat (im only just starting and getting ready to do my checkride for PP). How long did it take you to get in your current position?
Exactly. Bases are picked by seniority.
@bradstock767 did you get hired on by Jazz? If so when does your groundschool start?
Very nice video! Love the Dash 8! Is it the same procedure at JZA as it is on all turboprop planes that it is after 400ft Flaps 0?
Wideroe in norway have after takeoff, they call out 400 feet, flaps 0, is it the same at JZA? Just keep em coming! :D
@EdmDude
Yes.
Holy shit, a prop at 23,000 ft. Wow
I'm away from home 90-95 hours per week, everyweek. Since 9-11 we are not allowed to have anybody seat in the cockpit's jumpseat, including our family members. My kids know I'm a pilot, but they never saw me at work, they don't have a clue of what its like. I made this video to show them what their father does for a living, what he does when he's away all the time. So no, this video is not for me. After about 12K hours on the Dash 8 in 20 years, I don't need any video to remind me how it's like.
@musart Merci!
@rdrd4544 That's the weather radar.