Pat Metheny and Allan Holdsworth: More ALIKE Than You Think!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2019
- In this episode I show how Pat Metheny and Allan Holdsworth are more alike than you think. Pat Metheny (1954-Present) and Allan Holdsworth (1946-2017) are both incredible improvisers and writers. There playing seems to have little in common but their harmonic vocabularies are far more similar than most people realize.
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YES!! More Holdsworth and Pat Metheny content please!! I am a huge Holdsworth and Metheny fan, listened to everything Holdsworth has ever put out
Even that hard to find K2 album which is only on CD? There is some stuff from them on TH-cam.
Awesome stuff! Love houldsworth and metheny!!
two geniuses on their instruments for sure. Lucky to have seen Alan and continue to see Pat every time he comes around (which is Boston so it's every year).
Me too!
@@SpartanLaserCanon Yep…got it.
Man that harmonic major sure does set up the weather for some beautiful chords but also some menacing runs. Love it 👍🏼
Would love to witness a program here highlighting Allan’s tunes “Zarabeth” & “Tullio”.
I feel those are really special pieces of music.
Allan Holdsworth was a miracle in motion. ❤️
Zarabeth!!! Yes
Holy moly. The composition at the end was rather sublime.
Breathtaking
yeah, You should publish that
Yesssssss. I've been waiting for any discussion of Pat. Pat and Holdsworth are incredible improvisers.
All I know is, I’ve transcribed many Metheny solos, and the most Holdsworth I’ve had the sanity to transcribe was probably one chorus. Love them both, but to me, it will be decades before we see another Holdsworth
There was Shawn Lane, he was kind of Holdsworth-like.
Royal S definitely!
Royal S dont get me wrong! Metheny has some killer chops! Just, for me, personally, holdsworth lines were always much more difficult
@@CamiloVelandia When you think of Metheny don't just consider his chops. Look at his composing too.
@@aralsea1 yeah. I love him as a composer. Was just posting the first thing that came to mind when comparing the two
Holdsworth did excellent work with other groups. Check out "Gazeuse" (Gong), "Bundles" (Soft Machine), and "Believe It" (Lifetime) among others.
The Bruford album, "One of a Kind", is amazing.
Level 42
Bundles is so good! Definitely one of my favorite sides of Holdsworth
It shows how technique is just a vehicle.
Holdsworth was spanning 10 frets with his thumb on the back of the neck, lots of gain.
Metheny with his thumb over the top.
Totally different approach physically.
But note wise a lot of shared vibes.
What a fcuking talent Rick Beato is. Wonderful composition. Beautiful stuff.
I love Allan Holdsworth, and that was a great comparison between the two players. I was lucky enough to have the privilege of opening for I.O.U. several times in the 80's with my band 'Drama'. His musical brain is other-worldly (as was your composition at the end of this video Rick).
Opening for Holdsworth, that must have been intimating. When I saw him, the support act was a solo set by his bassist so no guitarist to suffer the comparison...
Light-years ahead...
@@michaelcottle6270 ...to suffer the comparison...🤣🤣🤣
I remember Pat highly appreciate Alln Holdsworth in his old PMG homepage. Anyway, both are my most favorite guitarists.
Hypes! I saw UK on their first American tour in Rochester, winter of ‘79. I’ll bet you were in the room.
Mr. FWW good morning to you Sir. You have gotten me to consider reducing my guitar sized from 15 to just 5. And save my ears by lowering my wattage from 100 to just 5. Now that I know you and Mr. Beato are buddies I will just grab my beaoto book 2.0 and learn some new technique worry free. Thank you for both of your works!!!
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In college in the 80’s I discovered First Circle & Metal Fatigue. Pat & Allan have been my favorite guitarists ever since! Saw them both live many times. Thank you for your fascinating analysis likening them this way. You made my week!
I knew that these two were easily musical geniuses and and legends in their own right, but this definitely gave me more appreciation for both! Both are influential to my playing! Great work my man!
Metheny and Holdsworth really set music free with their music. Hearing it is like nothing else. It's even better having someone like you around to pull back the curtain. I'm no musician, but this stuff interests me and expands my own curiosity and I thank you sir. VERY MUCH! Keep pulling back the curtain! :D
This is just one example of why your channel is the best thing on YT imo, sir! Thank you sooo much for this amazing lesson, and the magical composition you shared as well.
Would love to see a video on Lyle Mays! Severely underrated musician and integral part of the Pat Metheny Group sound and compositional style.
Amazing yup, love his 1986 solo album too. Plus that ponytail of about 20 years growth is a work of art too!
Pat and Lyle and like Duke and Strathorn.
Yes! “Alaskan Suite” from that Lyle Mays record is one of my all time favorites.
This Moment and We Are Alone from his Solo Improvisations for Expanded Piano album are superb! Big into Richie Beirach' s Continuum album at the moment. Check out his voicings on Round Midnight and Naima from an album he did with Dave Liebman!!! Smoking!!
Beato's the Boss but check out Dr. Guy Shkolnik's channel for more in depth Lyle Mays/Metheny compositional breakdowns.
We are 10 months in age apart Rick, and all the artists mentioned are all huge influencers in my musical journey. Like you I’ve been lucky enough to have seen Ponty, Allan and Pat perform on stage live and listen for countless hours to their recordings. I find it gratifying to have these hidden gems revealed and presented for us to understand at such a high level. I don’t get all of it, but that’s okay. I will love and appreciate it because it’s touched so much of my life in so many positive ways. Thanks for keeping it interesting and passing this along to the younger generation for their musical journeys.
Music at the end is just amazing. Feels like it opened up a new part of my soul that I haven't been to yet. Wow!
This is just C Harmonic major modes?
virgil chin “the piece” is stunning
The Mixolydian flat2 was just beautiful. I'd like to hear a longer composition in a similar vein.
That scale caught my ear too!
I was listening to both of those albums back then all the time. Really love bright size life with pat and jaco. Great video. Thanks,Rick
I got to see Pat Methany live a number of years ago, more end 80's beginning 90's, one night.
The show was played in one of those old Lowe's theaters built in the 1920's .
Saw Pat's name in lights and the show was for that night , so I asked for a best one ticket and I got the 2nd row.
All I kept thinking while being amazed at his ability and stage presence was , wow , the choice notes . Such choice notes.
Amazing piece yourself Rick .
Glad you do You Tube.
Yes, same chords from Metheny and Holdsworth- ones I never noticed. But while that's a similarity, how each of them employs those choirds- never the twain shall meet. They're both superb. But just physically alone, not many can make the left hand stretches that Allan used. He rocks, but it's harmony from Pluto. Metheny swings and while he uses dissonance, it's usually more subtle. That IOU record is the best example of Holdsworth, and I've never stopped listening to it since it came out. Metheny's gone into more different settings- but is always instantly identifable. Even with his huge body of work, I think Bright Size life may be his most groundbreaking, compositionally.
I miss this version of Rick Beato! Hey Rick - it would be so great if you continued to compose music to exemplify the topic of your video. I'm not the only one who loves your music!
That BadCat DOES sound amazing. I noticed its great tone immediately.
Freakin' a Rick! Two of the most incredible, original Jazz guitarists of all time, and definitely two of my favorite. Thanks for this great video!
Your original compositions over those scales are amazing. Visuals are fun too. More like this, please!
Amazing sounds. The piece you wrote is absolutely beautiful. Thank you for the post Rick!
Outstanding! I really dig your videos, and while not having seen them all, this is the best one of your videos that I have seen. The piece that you composed was very groovy. I learned a mountain about music over the last twelve minutes. Time extremely well spent. Thank you, Mr. Beato.
That was awesome....Some very intellectual 20th century classical music theory superimposed on top of one of my Favorite jazz guitar players (PM) and then the piano composition that gives you a real feel for how all those scales and chords sound....Incredible. I've never seen anything like that.
What an incredible original composition at the end of this video ! The content on your channel is very inspiring , it would be great if you featured more of your own music as well !!! Cheers
I feel like I don't need to eat after I listen to those chords. My appetite is satisfied.
Rick, the pieces you wrote are totally beautiful! What a pleasure to hear these exquisite musical gems.
This was a fantastic episode Rick
Loved the scenery with your music
Awesome
Fascinating episode and beautiful composition Rick!
Thanks Rick for providing these videos. I started to get into music theory and composition when I was a high school, but life got it the way. Now in my fifties, I am getting back into it. I owe it to you!
Really great video, especially the amazing piece of music you wrote to demonstrate the modes; beautiful stuff!
The drums on that outro sound quantized. Thanks for every video you make, Rick. I feel smarter after each one.
Rick, fabulous video, watched at least maybe 25 times, for Holdsworth, and for Metheny, and for Beato, and that PIANO! Superawesomeness (16 letter word) ! Thank you Professor, sincerely, RandyE
I don't understand why this video don't get views, it is a great video. Well done!
Another absolutely brilliant video, Rick...and I especially loved the beautiful music at the end...it's breathtakingly gorgeous!!!!! 💗💗💗
I love your harmonic major videos! There's a very evocative, beautiful sound in that scale. Double Harmonic Major too. Please do more of them.
My favorite episode YET!!! I find I say that like every two week with your channel.
This is got to be my favorite video so far. Great job Rick!
Wow Rick! What an amazingly tense and beautiful composition. Why do you have to make my head hurt so bad :) - great video!
Rick, that piece you wrote to illustrate the modes is stunning. There is a kernel of the sublime in there. Thank you
Beautiful playing Mr Beato. Unbelievable how you used all of those modes and made them sound great!
wow, this is one of the most important videos of yours. thank you!
I finally bought the Beato Book after watching your channel for a year. I enjoy the new level of interactivity that I know have with the videos...when you say what page to go to, I can actually go there and then do some homework before proceeding in the video. Thank you for everything you do! You are in immense help and an inspiration! Nice new fat frets on that SG, it sounds very articulate.
Excellent! Thanks!!
impressive Rick. This is an example of why you are becoming a youtube star and deserve the attention you are getting, You are a great teacher and beyond that an amazing musician. thx again :)
Thank you!
What a great video, as always. Thank you for this, Rick.
2 great guitarists plus one great teacher = one great video.
Very cool interview. Congrats to Gary on such a colorful career. Incredible player, composer, etc... all around. Inspiring!
Thank you for writing the modes of harmonic major composition, the colors of each mode really stood out nicely.
Another excellent analysis and an interesting common thread between 2 giant guitar players and composers. Congratulations Rick!
This is a “bookmark” video. Both players are tremendous and it’s cool seeing their musical connectivity. Liked how you brought it to your book, too.
That aerial footage is great for escapism. And Enigmatic Ocean-wow; blast from the past!
This one cleansed my soul!
Awesome stuff. You are a real artiste. Thanks for what you do. It's way over my head but I'm loving it.
Great video Rick... and beautiful piece at the end! Congrats man.
Some beautiful chords. I heard of Metheny before but not Holdsworth and never heard their music. You have a way of making anything interesting to even basic musicians like me. Inspirational !
Allan talks about this concept in his instructional video from 1992, with some beautiful examples from several scales. Allan usually referred to Slonimsky regarding music theory, but I'm not sure if these kinds of ideas came from Slonimsky, or where he picked it up. I don't think he ever used the term "harmonic major", though. In addition to jazz, Allan listened a lot to Debussy, Bartok and similar things, so he could have been inspired that way. Does anyone know what inspired Metheny in terms of these types of ideas?
Wow, really interesting information! I need to check out Slonimsky at least. Thank you very much!
5:04
Some of the most mysterious and beautiful chords ever
Allan Holdsworth what a guy he was
You are A BEAST Rick! I've forgotten SO MUCH theory and this is making me hungry. I don't have time to catch up but I get my theory fix thru you. Thanks man. Keep 'em coming.
Nice, Rick! Love your composition. Great piano!
Really amazing content rick, i’ve been following you since the Facebook lives.
Both have amazing harmonic imagination, for sure
your composition for this video is fantastic Rick!
Those compositions using the harmonic major modes is extraordinary! Gods bless your wonderful talents! 🙏🏽
Very, very cool. Where else would anyone find something like this? Thank you Rick!
In the BEATO BOOK man! Pay attention. :)
Beautiful yet haunting.Very emotional piece of work. Love it.Thanks for sharing it Rick.
Thnx Rick for another amazing video. Allan had been my guitar hero no1 until 2017 (RIP). Followed by the greats such as Andy Latimer, Jan Akkerman, Michael Schenker, Gary Moore and of course Pat Methney. His UK debut album (no 1!) and Pat's Off ramp are among my favorite albums. Around the same time, I was blown away by AH solo in "Nostalgia" in Jean Luc Ponty album and the Gazeuse album (track called Expresso) by Gong. I haven't watched any video that can 'teach' Allan's music so far. I think I will watch this great video many times. Thanks!
Ps) oh just realized Rick has made several Allan Holdsworth videos, I am thrilled, thank you so much Rick!
Nice work Rick - great mood.
Beautiful Rick ! You just shared my own experience!
Fantastic subject! Love the add for the mug at the end.
Rick, great video. The first thing that caught my ear was the reverb on that SG. fantastic
That's just bad ass!!!!!
I love the expression of the modes!!!
Got to get that Beato book!!!!
This is so interesting. I'm glad you made a video that put the modes back to back. I'm not a music expert but I can definitely tell the difference.
Rick Beato, you are an amazing educator with dead-sharp ears. I love your output.
Fantastic.....this is one of your best videos....the color tones....wow.......Thank you Rick..................ron
Good lord! I loved this video for so many reasons - I think I need to study it at the piano to take it all in! Great explanations, and that piece was so interesting. RIck, you have some real serious multi-instrumental chops my friend...
Thanks!
Wow, Rick! I'm learning modes now, and you've captured the essence of each one. Well done!
I am so glad I watched this! I will be watching it again for sure. SO much valuable information. Thanks! // also: the music at the end is fantastic!
Beautiful video Rick! Loved the piano piece :D
Rick has a special place in heaven! Thanks for the awesome content man
Great composition, and the cup is a nice touch!
Rick Beato, you just made my day. Again! Thank you!
Wow Rick I love listening to your original compositions. Beautiful and genius. Keep up the great work!
Nice video! I learned some new cool voicings and scales, Please do more like this :)
This was beautiful dude thanks yet amazing
Spectacular piece Rick! Thank you.
Just last wk. I was just working with one of my students transcribing (Steve Smith's) playing from "Jean Luc Ponty- Enigmatic Ocean" transcribing (Steve Smith's) drumming , as well.....Great stuff as always Rick!
Thanks Rick! Extremely educational!
This is great, Rick! And that guitar is sick!
Just need to say I love your piano compositions. Great work.
Those Am7-11-9 chord voicings are priceless, thanks a lot rick!
Love this video... classic Beato on two of my favourites and a deep dive into their harmony. Internet at its best!
Great video! I like the piece you put together in the end. Very nice work!
Wow that piece at the end was brilliant. Beautiful!
Thanks rick for this excellent subject , I am a fan of both guitarists (I have all their records) and I like Beato work and music as well !
Rick - beautiful piece and great video as usual!
fantastic job, rick, as always! thanks a lot!