Which Clan Star Do You Bring To Tukayyid?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.พ. 2024
- Today we look at the Jade Falcon campaign on Tukayyid and craft an ideal star for the fight.
Resources: Tukayyid Sourcebook, 3rd Ed, OG Tukayiid SB, 3058, TRO, 3055 TRO, Mechwarrior 5, Era Report 3052.
Thank you to Dwane Loose, Anthony Scroggins, Matt Plog, Bishop Steiner, Alan Blackwell, Chris Lowry, Dale Eadeh, Harri Kallio, Loston Wallace, and all the other BattleTech artists that have brought the IP to life through their amazing work.
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There's really only one answer to this: 5 Timber Wolves
Seems reasonable.
It really is when that chassis is just so damn optimized in general, maybe a Stormcrow or two
By the Founder Freebirth, watch your language! Contractions dishonor both caste and clan.
Bruh, you took the Clan Star right out off my head...😂
For the specific TW configs, any five of them except the the B config would probably annihilate Mech Frog's lvl2 Comguard...
Call them “Elemental Delivery Vehicles” and you can bring 10, though you’ll get yelled at by the clans for cheesing technicalities.
The actual answer is "You do not go to Tukkayid." It's kinda like Z'ha'dum that way.
I understood that reference!
No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow.
Unless you're Clan Ghost Bear, then you build a bunch of factories on it.
4 nukes and an evac shuttle (clan Jade Falcon)
Clan Smoke Jaguar, 4 nukes and an elemental with a TAG.
As much as I like your treatises on different mechs I also like this type of content, it's interesting.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the feedback.
The answer is of course "5 Clan Wolf 'Mechs", because nothing can get through that plot armour!
But in terms of fighting machines, I typically favour heavier Stars, so let's try a Summoner Prime, Timber Wolf Prime, Mad Dog Prime, Turkina Prime, and Hellbringer B. This would (hopefully!) provide a nice mix of long and short range firepower, with a couple of jumping 'Mechs to try and bypass Comstar trickery!
As a fan of Clan Wolf probably due to overexposure, this is so true and I kind of hate that it's a thing. I'm fine with them winning against over other clans but it happens just way too much and it kind of loses all meaning when it happens.
The problem with Tukayyid is that Comstar rigged the fight to favour anti-clan tactics
To win Tukayyid you have to fight like a spheroid, armed with clan tech and just live with the dezgra. (You can do that since you will have survived the battle)
Therefore I propse we turn the grass lands AGAINST the defending comstar forces.
We bring an Artic Cheetah, it shall advance ahead of the Star. Using stealth to mark targets for a Mad Dog with indinceray LRMS.
The Cheetah will then disengage, burning everything it can with its flamer.
The resulting fire storm will force the Comstar forces to abandon their prepared position and meet us on the open field, or stay behind and burn.
Then, ideally send in the Night Gyrs. But those don't exist yet so we'll need a different heavy assault design that can run cool.
Probably Summoners or Hellbringers with loadouts specialized for long range and just try to keep out of the fire pit.
Seriously tho it makes me sad the Clans abandoned laser heat sink tech because think how much chaos you could sew with a machine like the Pirana armed with flamers that never overheats fighting in the middle of the raging wildfire its weapons create.
Nothing could get close to it without overheating!
That Turkina paintjob is beautiful. Still looks like a Smuckers Uncrustable, though.
For my 'mech choice, though, im gonna go with a Kodiak standard, an Executioner Prime, Mad Dog A, a Conjurer standard, and an Incubus Standard.
Very Ghost-beary.
As a ghost bear player, that sounds great to me.
3 Standard mechs before Tukayyid caused Omnimech shortages? Your cluster must be desperate, Trothkin.
Oh, I know exactly what to bring.
Two King Crabs mocked up to look like Daishis.
Two Thunderbolts made to appears as Thors.
A Catapult with "arms" so it looks like a MadCat.
I paint these in the colors of the nearest other Clan so the Falcons won't be alerted by the IFF discrepancies, and make them look damaged so not too many questions will be asked. Then we wander around looking for tactical opportunities, like jumping isolated Stars, or claiming we're trying to link up with our other forces so we can get at Falcon command posts or supply dumps. We can also spot for artillery. But if we can't find those targets, we just run away, claiming that there are ComGuard forces in the area to draw Falcons off from Our Blessed Order's main detachments, thus helping the Clanner scum to be taken apart piecemeal. What's a monolithic telecomms company good for if you can't spread some lies around?
Operation Sneaky Sneak.
@@MechanicalFrog No, that's our operation involving girls and tanks, which is.......oh. Crap. Well, now ROM is going to kill both of us.
Free State of Van Zandt badge! Awesome!
:)
5 Hunchback IICs.
I will be taking no questions at this time.
Hrm... I have a few questions...
To make a point, 5 Warhammer IIC's
This is fair.
Which point?
1. Omnimechs are overrated
2. "Second line mech" is a dishonest designation
3. Trueborn-schmooborn, I'm a dude with a Warhammer IIC and you will respect that
4. Warhammers are just as iconic as the Mad Cat or the Marauder
5. All of the above
@@Szoki86 5, all of the above. And well the WHM IIC is a brutal, efficient killer, cheaper too in terms of BV.
@@jamesharrington001tbh it's almost arguably overpowered lol, I don't know if most IS mechs could 1V1 it under most circumstances.
@@Szoki86 6. Because every turn you can fire 10 PPCs whilst shouting 'Double Whammy!' five times until your opponent has an aneurysm and you win.
Because I like a challenge (and snakes) I'm going to go with Steel Viper and see if I can make something that can survive The Devil's Bath. And in honour of Zeta Galaxy and their role in extricating Alpha and Gamma Galaxies from the trap laid for them, I'm going to make it all Second-Line 'mechs too.
Speed and mobility are of the essence here, every 'mech having jump jets to avoid the geysers and mud-pits. The heaviest element of the formation is a Phoenix Hawk IIC. I realise this is an odd choice, but it's mobile, can still dish out a decent punch, and most importantly, runs very cool. And worst comes to worst, if the Com Guard want to fight in melee, it's big enough that a punch is going to send anything short of another Assault 'mech reeling. It's biggest shortcoming is ammo dependancy however, so effort should be made to make each shot count.
Backing it up is another Steel Viper special, a Black Python. Although a hot 'mech, it can use it's mobility to duck out of LOS to cool off, and even cycling it's weapons it's a reliable damage dealer due to its heavy pulse laser armament and a targeting computer on top. It's going to have to be a lot more careful amongst the hot mud and the geysers, but it can still be devastating at any range if managed properly.
A Vapor Eagle is the first Medium in the star so far. Everything that applies to the Black Python also applies to it, though the Vapor Eagle is a little less heat sensitive. It's one of the most dangerous mediums the Steel Vipers can field in 3052, able to take on most IS heavies and even some Assaults on even terms. Still that heat needs to be watched carefully in an environment like the Devil's Bath, with hit and run tactics to alternate between heating up and cooling off.
The second medium is a Conjurer. It runs moderately cool, has a similar weapons fit and has the same speed and jump range as the Vapor Eagle, so makes a good tag-team partner for it.
Last but not least is a Horned Owl. It's a well-armoured light, has the same movement profile as the mediums and an all pulse laser armament ensures accuracy.
The overall tactics are to strike and fade, using the features of the Devil's Bath to cover their approach and avoid retaliation. Yes there's some IS 'mechs that could chase the Star down, but bar one or two exceptions all of them are medium or smaller 'mechs, and even in the case of the scant few heavies (and the one Assault I can think of) that could chase them, would be sorely outgunned. And any forces sent to chase down this star are forces not facing Alpha and Gamma Galaxies as they push through.
I'd forgotten how mean the Night Gyr was
Not entirely sure about what to bring to but I have a really sick idea about Black Lanners with a couple of Elemental squads hanging on for dear life. Then jumping all over someone as you go tearing past at mach 2.
I know not every Star is a Nova, but deep inside I really do feel that an Omni without mechanized battle armor is underweight.
Fair critique.
Since I'm one of those Warden Wolf fans, and I know my Clan is landing last, I know Logistics will be the name of the game. Hence, a heavy energy load out:
Dire Wolf A; Storm Crow Prime; Timber Wolf TC; Timber Wolf A; and a Warhawk C (one of my favorite Mechs since MW2).
Star would be:
1x Cougar - Configuration H
1x Nova - Configuration U
1x Black Python 2
1x Executioner - Configuration I
1x Direwolf - Configuration C
Name of the game is ECM cover, Jump Jets, (relatively) high speed and a focus on maneuverability with a respectable energy heavy or energy focused loadout on every mech. The Cougar, Nova and Black Python run picket screens for the two assaults. This tactic and equipment loadout will stop the mechs being targeted for long range missile spam or focused bombardment, allowing them to spread out and react quickly to threats and have the equipment needed for a protracted engagement. Then when the time comes, get in, do damage and get out again before the enemy can respond.
Sounds like a solid team. Nice to see a Black Python in the mix.
I'm not sure about a whole Star, but I'd definitely want a Conjurer in it-fast, agile, good enough weapons, little ammo dependency.
Until the com guard start transmitting their communications calling it a wolverine IIC and the pilot charges the com guards head on all by themselves.
Usually a solid pick.
As someone who very rarely plays Clan mechs I dipped into the list and sort of ran with what i remenber being on the bad end of. I'm not sure it stands up to rigorous testing by those who know better but it was kinda fun to try out the toys that usually blow up my stuff.
2x Ebon Jaguar A
1x Ebon Jaguar B
1x Warhawk Prime
1x Dire Wolf B
I wonder if the battle of Tukayyid influenced the Jade Falcons to create the partial wing in order to improve the jump capabilities of their mechs. Considering how pivotal the use of jumping mechs were to accomplishing their objectives, I wouldn't be surprised.
As for me, energy dominate mechs built along the lines of the Timber Wolf TC, mobile reliable, and accurate damage to handle issues on any place of the battlefield.
It's not a bad theory. Probably just got tired of Lyran Hatchetmen and decided, "you want to melee? FINE. LET'S DO THIS."
@@MechanicalFrog That was probably the encouragement for the Talons which were introduced in 3072, two years after the partial wing was brought to production.
Just noticed the frog eyes on the paper doll, nice touch.
Thank you! 😊
Jade Falcon, Gamma Galaxy to this question: Falcons favor a combination of speed and firepower. Based on this, I want to have everyone be jump capable and not too slow. Gets what I figured:
Mist Lynx Prime, Kit Fox S, Pouncer A (salvaged), Viper Prime, and a Summoner A as the Point Commander.
Speedy bunch. I like it.
To start with: A Timberwolf Prime. She will get you through any situation you can imagine, very punchy, fast, well armored, a solid focus of your star that the others can form around. Followed by a Turkina Prime. This baby has the perfect balance between piercing and crit seeking weaponry to deal with heavy and assault mechs. My third pick is a Stormcrow. Again a no brainer choice, you cant go wrong with one of these. I back this up with a Viper as a skirmisher/bodyguard whose going to take on light mechs that try to fish for back shots on the bigger mechs and smoke out snipers in heavy terrain using its jumpjets. Lastly a nova due to its flexibility. It can fill allmost any role while still being punchy and maneuverable.
I didnt pick any light omni mechs because i know that they would be the first to fall under the constant barrage of artillery fire (Artillery fire doesnt care about your move modifier). Same for mechs like the hellbringer wich while heavily armed, has very little armor and would falter even under light artillery fire. Most of the mechs except the turkina are on the speedier side and pack enough smaller weapons to deal with the mass of vehicles that the comguard will also throw at you, but still my choices have enough heavy firepower to melt any comguard battlemechs that do enter the fray.
If possible i would also have elementals on all my mechs, but we where talking about a mech star i believe so that would be a huge addition.
Strap a Fire Falcon to the front of the Hellbringer like a baby carrier as additional armor.
If we are going with overall energy heavy load outs, it is hard for me to look beyond the IIC designs, though they may not be as mobile as their frontline Omnimech brethren. The backbone of the Star would be a Marauder IIC paired with a Warhammer IIC for long range projected particle based firepower, while the later also acts as a bodyguard with it's secondary battery of five medium pulse lasers. For reconnaissance, potential anti-infantry work and back stabbing, a Locust IIC, because what is better than a single emotional support ER small laser? Eight of them of course! To complete the Star we have twin Griffin IICs to act as harassers or rapid response fire support with their ER large laser and LRMs while staying very mobile. Oh and Zellbrigen is off the table.
While we are on the subject of the Clans, will you also do some 'Why do we love " videos for some of those nifty Omnimechs anytime soon? Also: Timberwolf, Nova, Nova, Ice Ferret, Dasher + a point of Flamer Elementals. 🐺🖖
I think we will this year. Probably soon.
As an Inner Sphere player at heart it took me a while to decide on my list but here it is.
Gladiator TC
Timberwolf TC
Vulture S
Grendel Prime
Huntsman B.
All these mechs are very jumpy, hit like trucks, and aren’t too reliant on ammunition. There are 2 probes to work against ambushes, some stuff for infantry, and a reasonable but notable amount of pulses. Unfortunately this list is nearly 2 times as expensive as my Com Guard list, so it’s either gonna be a 12 vs 5 or some steep skill-ups for the guard.
As previously stated I’d be down for more content like this :)
So depending on what tonnage I have available... I would get Timberwolfs, Stormcrows, Mongrels and Incubus. But that depends on what Clan I get and so on... Love your vids Mechfrog keep them going! They hit that sweet nerdy happy spot in my brain!
First mention of an Incubus. Glad to see it on a list.
Last year I ran a Tuakkyid Campaign as the Jade Falcons using the Catalyst sublimate. Rolled on the mech tables, with the caveat I had to have the mech.
This the Binary that took the field: Grendel Prime, Summoner D, Hellbringer B, Turkina B, Fire Moth A, Black Lanner B, Summoner A, Night Gyr C, Nova Prime, Stormcrow B.
The Stormcrow B and the Summoner D both tied with the most kills at 7. The Stormcrow B's Ultra AC/20 decimated other lights and mediums. The Summoner D's energy weapons,targeting computer, and anti infantry machine guns made it my go to mech
The Turkina was a non factor. It saw combat in only a couple scenarios and died to a head hit from a King Crabs AC/20.
The Falcon's were victorious after a grueling campaign.
Sounds like quite the fight. Sorry about the Turkina. ;D
Hmmm... as a fan of clan snow raven very difficult for me, but lets try:
Mad dog A
Mad dog B
Timber wolf prime
Turkina Prime
Dire wolf C
Hard hitting, two solid tanking assault omnis. The timber wolf can screen the mad dods while they do their thing or form a spearhead with them to punch through after zellbrigen is broken.
Alternative i would perhaps take two points of elementals in exchange for the assaults, and change the timber wolf to the N variant.
That would be a tremendous early battle DPS.
@@MechanicalFrogoh yeah...
But if i had the choice to do a "what if" Version with clan snow raven or hells horses it would Look as follows:
Ravens
Stormcrow prime
Stormcrow prime
Puma B
1 point visigoth prime aerospace fighters
1 point bashkir prime aerospace fighters
Horses
1 point elementals or goblin battle armour
1 point with 1 epona A and prime each
1 point with 1 Athena and 1 huey tank each
Timber wolf N
Timber wolf prime
Both more built for lore than effectivity, but i think the combined Arms approach is the best.
I normaly dont use pure Stars of mechs or vehicles, the Mix makes it more flexible and dangerous for the enemy.
Throw zellbrigen to the wolves.
These unit composition videos are great!
Also Tukayyid content is always welcome.
As far as Star contents Nova Cat:
Nova Cat A
Mad Dog Prime
Shadow Cat Prime
Ebon Jaguar A
Arctic Cheetah C
Solid list. Good to see some Shadow Cats show up.
Would be nice, but sadly the Nova Cat omni doesn't show up until a couple of years after Tukkayid. Definitely agree with all the rest though.
If I were the Jade Falcons and needed to secure the river crossing on Tukayyid, I'd have a jumpjet Puma tasked to provide radar and targeting and then the rest of the star will be composed of assaults with long range energy weapons and/or LRMs. The Puma will park itself on the bridge while the assaults park themselves in the river a bit away from the bridge (to avoid damage if the bridge is detonated) and form a firing line. Then I just let the assaults go ham on alpha-striking or sniping as much as they want because the river provides free cooling.
Otherwise, I would find another place to ford the river even if it is tens of kilometers away and cross at night. At that point, any Jade Falcon clan star would work but I'd probably go with a full star of Timberwolves with jumpjets and equipped primarily with energy weapons and the emotional support flamethrowers. The jumpjets allow the Timberwolves to get into any position to pick off armored/fortified units and the flamethrowers are specifically to torch infantry. If anything, after I picked off the armored units, I would just start a firestorm and let the wind torch the rest of the city and its defending infantry.
Alternatively, Pumas without jump jets, launched by trebuchets across the river.
@@MechanicalFrog I think launching Pumas with jump jets would be a great way to reenact some Attack on Titan shenanigans with mechs instead of Elementals
I really like Smoke Jaguars Tactics and trinary organisation, wear them down with lighter weight stars, while they are tied up bring in your heavier star and pummel them at range while you smash your heavy machines right in their face when they can not hope to stop you breaking their resistance. And seeing as how Clan Blood Spirit was never to participate I will represent them as an assault star with 2 assaults and 3 heavies.
Dire Wolf A: Accurate weapons, deep ammo bins, ams. I think its a big ticket.
Warhawk Prime: I think its going to ruin some nerds day
Timber Wolf A: I think its the best version for this formation
Summoner Prime: Its fine I guess, I just didn't want to bring another timber wolf, preferably a C. And its way less BV2 than a Night Gyr, which you were also using.
Ebon Jaguar: I wanted to use a War Hawk A, but I feel like this does the same job better while also being vaguely timber wolf adjacent.
Comstar list almost all got upgraded to Elite to match. Split their list between two Princess bots, had one hold back and one move up. Painted comstar in block green and picked a map with alot of hills and forest (30x30 tin), which was tactical and in no way because Smoke Jag Alpha Galaxy looks really similar to the normal bright white.
R1 Warhawk landed a headshot on a 12 to hit round 1 to a poor Rakasha. Thus is life.
R2 King Crab returned the favour to the Summoner, who is forced to eject when the engine goes critical.
R3 Warhawk has a arm ripped off by the second Rakasha. King Crab gets beat up.
R4 Devastator rips apart the Timber Wolf with 3 head shots. Last Rakasha is blown apart, explosion knocks out Warhawk pilot. Ebon Jag unloads AC10s in rapid fire mode on devastator, gets a headshot of his own. Line of sight lost with king Crab, I think it overheated. Not sure how.
R6 King Crab ejects. Dire wolf scores a head shot with its gauss on the devastator. Ebon Jag puts a bust of autocannon fire in the cockpit and scores another headshot. I have no idea where the Warhammers have run to.
So I spent 20 turns looking for these two warhammers, I cannot find them. I think they might have JJ'ed into the lake and be at the bottom. I have 2000BV more, two mostly fresh mechs, I'm just going to call that a win.
Nikolai Malthus in his Summoner M supported by a Timber Wolf Prime, two Vulture Primes and a Hunchback IIC!
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Five Timberwolves, what do you mean I'm not allowed?
Ok, so as a Clan Wolf Heavy Star, a Highlander IIC 1, a Timberwolf A as it's bodyguard, a Hellbringer Prime to help root out ambushes and make return fire more diffcult, then a Nova Prime and a Viper Prime for skirmishing. The two mediums and the Hellbringer move in front using the Active Probe to find the Comstar ambush (because it's always an ambush). When they find the enemy the Viper lights the burners and sprints around like madman, the Hellbringer and the Nova flank in the opposite direction to the Viper whilst the Highlander and the Timby open up with the LRM/Gauss/PPC combo at whoever was unfortunate enough to be caught in the open.
The idea is to force the Comguards out of their prepared positions by moving fast, being spread out and threatening to flank them if they don't react. The Viper uses it's speed and AMS to avoid damage, it doesn't have to attack as such, just be very fast and get behind the enemy. The Hellbringer stays at range and leans on the ECM/AMS as it gives harassing fire with the PPCs, if anyone tries to close it down the Nova comes into play. The two big mechs stand and slug it out from as long a range as possible, although if anyone wants to get close to 6 Medium Pulse lasers and 18 Streak SRMs they're welcome to.
At least, that's how it works in theory. If the enemy moves to an urban environment, I have enough energy weapons to blow up buildings until it's no longer an urban environement.
Sounds like a nasty bunch. Keeping the Viper on the move, and possibly crunching something between it and the Nova could be fun.
My personal choice has always been a modified Summoner D, swapping out the mgs for a streak SRM 2 and the AMS for an experimental LAMS. The rest of my star is going to be similarly armed, with primarily energy weapons, since logistics and resupply was one of the biggest weaknesses the clans had. I may not win, but it won't be a loss through attrition.
It may just be my post-Tukayyid Falcon brain talking but I think two things when I think of extended campaigns against the Inner Sphere: flexibility and minimal logistics. So here's what I'm thinking for a Star: Turkina B (of course), Marauder IIC (not an Omni but you can't say no to that loadout), Stormcrow Prime (also of course), Timber Wolf A (because I always need a Timber Wolf), and my curve-ball... Kit Fox C for scouting and EW support
I wouldn't turn down a Marauder IIC. They are a menace.
For myself I would go with 5 Supernovas.
Because ammo is for chumps and that river (pick one) is now my property and my liquid cooled Supers will issue a trial of possession for your pants if you disagree.
Also yes, they are ALL aiming for heads.
Hah, joke is on you. Frogs don't wear pants while in battle.
It's not original or imaginative, but a star of Timber Wolf Primes is hard to go wrong with. One of the most versatile omnimech primes in the clan arsenal to this day. Sure, more realistically, you might have to settle for a star of Vultures, or if you needed a hard breakthrough assault, Kodiaks and Dire Wolves would have been better, but for for general battlefield flexibility, 5 Timber Wolves. Or maybe 4 carrying elementals. Actually, probably a good idea to have an AA capable mech in the mix, so an Orion or Rifleman IIC, though at this point I'm dangerously close to combined arms savvy and being called unclanlike by most of the clans at Tukkayid who hadn't learned the lessons yet. So most of the Clans at Tukkayid.
I won't fault you for going with what works.
@@MechanicalFrog I'd go with a Phantom and 4 Kraken 3's to provide fire support and counter battery, but I recall them not really being available that early in 3052, or just not there in great numbers. Also that the Clans weren't quite ready to fight like that.
I feel like the clans have the option of a large number of relatively small lights or mediums with shockingly heavy firepower. Shadow Cat Prime and the Adder are perfect examples that punch far above their weight against IS designs but also have enough speed to remain difficult to hit without investing heavily in armor.
Staying mobile would definitely be a good plan considering all the ComStar trickery.
Ghost Bear
If omnis:
- Executioner Prime, dropping one lpl for a brace of 3 MPLs
- Mad Dog Prime, Stock
- Mad Dog Prime, dropping both LPLs for 4 more MPL and 4 tons lrm ammo.
- Nova Prime, dropping all ER Meds for 6 MPL to keep heat low and output high.
- Storm Crow A, Stock.
If reserve:
2x Conjurer
2x Marauder IICs, with some mods
1x Grizzly, modded
Storm Crow A - Stock... because it's perfect as it is.
@@MechanicalFrog pretty much. For a close-in skirmisher, it teams up with the Nova while the stock Mad Dog plays midliner and the modified Executioner and Mad Dog play horrifically mobile fire support.
Clan wise I’d go with the Ghost Bears, because they had no problem using the same tactics the enemy used.
Those wily bears...
Puma, Puma, Puma, Puma, oh, and a Locust IIC (to save on BV) 🐱 Which Pumas? Wouldn't YOU like to know.
Always good to be economical with a Locust IIC.
@@MechanicalFrog Seyla
Stopping at the 2:00 mark, and I'm going to "randomly" guess that Our Eldritch Amphibian Horror from beyond time "randomly" choses Jade Falcon. Now restarting...
:O
At tukkayid you want speed as the battles were often ambushes and kill zones in favour of the inner sphere...id go stormcrows mixed with many speedy lights that pack a punch above their weight...you really want to kill the inner sphere spotters quick or you'll be blown into the stone age by artillery...for that I'd go piranha and dashers :-)
The Stormcrow is a perfect pick for Tukayyid.
I bid the 32nd Nova Cats, Alpha Galaxy.
Gargoyle A 2/3 SPA: Weapon Specialist (ERPPC)
Warhammer IIC 2 3/4
Ice Ferret D 3/4 SPA: Intimidator
Viper C MOD 3/4 (drop 2.5 ton MG Ammo, add 2x ER Medium and 1x Emotional Support ER Small Laser)
Elemental (Flamer) 5x Skill 4
That should be able to deal with the ComGuards.
Elementals with flamers... now you're talking.
I'm not gonna lie, a star of nothing but Battle Cobras is super tempting for this fight. Three Primes and two As, perhaps.
Is it a Coven of Cobras? I need to look this up.
@@MechanicalFrog A cursory search produces the unfortunate and disappointing suggestion of a Quiver of Cobras.
The snark answer equivalent of five Thugs would be five Mad Cats, but that's not any fun. I'll approach this from the perspective of Falcons who have a slight idea of what's going on and, chastised properly by my Khan, I would not bid away my battlearmor like some stravag amphibian.
The nucleus of the star would be an Executioner TC, a variant designed specifically for Tukayyid. Definitely energy heavy, but terrifyingly accurate and fast for its weight class as well as jump capable and armed with an active probe to sniff out the ComGuard freebirths and any surprises they might be trying to hide.
Just as heavily armored and as fast (for an assault mech) as its bigger brother, the second mech of the star would be a Warhawk C. Again, the focus is on highly accurate energy weapons fire to punish those who dare stand between us and our manifest destiny.
The third mech of the star is another variant forged and tested at Tukkayid, a Timber Wolf TC. Not only fully jump capable, this mech also relies on highly accurate large pulse lasers. It bears reminding that the Timber Wolf can likely outmaneuver almost anything those freebirth vermin would put in front of it.
Much like the star's Executioner has a "grounded" counterpart the star's fourth member, a Timber Wolf A, joins its sibling in flanking and end run maneuvers.
The last member of the star would have been another Timber Wolf, however its pilot questioned my authority in front of our Khan and now enjoys a broken jar, arm, and several ribs. Consequently, the star is finalized by a Gargoyle A. Not quite as well armored as its Timber Wolf starmates, it can match their speed and accurate laser fire at range and beat them at close ranges thanks to its targeting computer.
Those freeborth toads will beg for mercy as we take our place of honor. Glory to Clan Jade Falcon!
Solid choices. That TW-TC is slick.
@@MechanicalFrogDefinite nigthmare fuel for folks who don't realize what's heading their way.
A pair of Stone Rhinos with some Thors. Missle and other ammo focused weaponry for maximum hubris. Thanks for the video.
Good times had by all.
Hmmm. A difficult question. I will probably take a Iron Cheetah prime, an Arctic Wolf, a Cougar Prime, a Storm Crow, and a Warhammer 2C. Not all Omni, but a rounded and maybe unusually formation
This video is packed full of shining stars throughout the franchise!
All the big stompy fun necessary for a Friday.
I love your choices all around as a planner however a Jade falcon star without a kit fox or summoner seems like sacrilege.
Life is full of little challenges.
Executioner A, Warhawk C, Man O' War D, Timber Wolf Prime, Night Gyr C. My dice don't tend to wake up till turn 4, so I have to drop numbers on the dice and prioritize accuracy. as a wise General, one Lewis Burwell Puller once said "You can't hurt 'em if you can't hit 'em."
My list is to not drop to the battlefield
But if clan honor is to be retained, my list would be an Adder S, Shadow Cat A, Stormcrow C, Hunstman A, and then a Timber Wolf S/TC to lead the star. If a Timber Wolf isnt available, a point of elementals would also do
Speedy, good to have some Elementals leaping around.
I like the Turkina and Ebon Jaguar. Although I'd substitute some second-line mechs that fulfill the criteria of mobility and energy -based firepower. For example: replace the Black Lanner Prime with a Vapor Eagle, replace the Stormcrow with a Rifleman IIC. and swap the Night Gyr for a Black Python (Probably won from the Steel Vipers just before Tukayyid) If none are available, go with the Summoner-D
This gives targeting computers, jump jets, pulse lasers, good armor, and removes a lot of ammo dependency from the supply chain.
I know they probably wouldn't put 'inferior' second-line machines into the fight, but Pryde and his magical ER small laser goeth before the fall.
Vapor Eagle is solid. I support this. The Rifleman IIC as well.
Warhawk Prime, Timber Prime, nova cat A as your back bone. For scouting probably a stormcrow and a huntsmen. Energy based platforms with good range and a couple rock solid mediums to picket for you.
Lorewise it is quite a challenge to find a Warhawk, Timberwolf and Nova Cat in the same star.
And for the scenario in this video the Warhawk and the Timberwolf will have a hard time getting across the river without jump jets.
CDS Omega Galaxy
In the old Tukayidd book, this was my favorite scenario, the clan version of the Kobayashi Maru lol
Incubus 2
Griffin IIC 1
Horned Owl 1
Shadowhawk IIC 2
Thresher 1
Thanks Mechwarrior frog... I needed that😊
No problem 😊
I knew this was coming. Why didn't I plot how to get my Hell's Horses to Tukkyid?!
"We'll get there when we get there!"
Hmm, how to defeat plot armor . . . I think I would go with five Nova Cats. Good heat management, relatively maneuverable (certainly comparable to their opponents but still boasting superior firepower, protection, and heat management), and tough. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
Easily distracted with large piles of catnip.
I wonder, how good would the Black Lanner be if you drop the ER Large Laser for two more ER mediums and 4 jump jets... ?
Oh yes, NEVER forget the Emotional support ER small laser! It´s like the towel in Hitchhiker´s Guide!
But frankly, Ebon Jaguars in the Jade Falcon Clan, weird...
I'd bring:
- Mad Cat (Prime)
- Marauder IIC
- Hunchback IIC
- Vapor Eagle (Goshawk
- Mad Dog (Vulture)
This was a really cool kind of video, I'd love to see more like this.
Thank you. More nonsense to come.
Being I still haven't been able to find a local BT group I can do tabletop, megamek is to much like excel for my brain, and with the forced computer upgrade I'm just starting to play BT 3025 so still getting a feel for the controls before diving in. But I love you choices esp the BLK Lanner, EJ B/MF and Stormcrow those are personal faves. Fly on Might Birdmen
Are there any game shops around? Sometimes they have pinboards up where you can find people for games.
Stone Rhino, Timber wolf, 2 warhammer IIc, and a Phoenix Hawk IIc.
"Timber Wolves are "Daishi's" right? Then I say OK 😀"
Mostly being late Succession War player, I would want to tinker with the mechs, but the word "nova" comes immediately to mind. Not the mech, the formation. Because toads are scary. Might go with a mixed nova of four Omnimechs each with an infestation, and a two fighters for the fifth point with one configured to carry Elementals to pin down and dismember anything that can out run a laser. Would an Aerospace nova point have just five elementals or ten? Because... A pair of Kirghiz-Cs with toad bombs who are trained to work with fighters, calling in CAS, that's nasty but I"m not sure is kosher. Of course... I'd probably get stuck playing the Diamond Sharks, who dropped an army and got back a swat team.
Having limited Clan models, I would probably go with Clan Wolf (I know, boring...) and take a Heavy Assault Star w/ 1x Dire Wolf, 1x Gargoyle, 2x Timber Wolves, and 1x Nova (all Prime variants) w/ BA: Demoralizers [Timber Wolves] (because it is thematic...). With the exception of the Dire Wolf (3/5/0) all the rest of the omnimechs in this star move 5/8/x (with the Nova actually having jump jets to go 5/8/5). While not optimized, I think it would give a good showing against the ComGuard.
The assumption being that Clan Wolf would ignore normal Clan tactical plans, and adopt an IS fighting style. With the Gargoyle and two Timber Wolves forming a fast moving battle line concentrating their fire on the greatest threat, and the Dire Wolf providing fire support. The Nova either acts as a skirmish flanker, or provides security for the Dire Wolf against any IS recon lance mechs that might become a potential threat to the slower 100-ton Assault mech (unlikely as it is...)
Good assumption.
Very interesting new format! As someone who is trying to put together a company for each IS Great House as a thought experiment, I would love to see your take on other various themed lances/stars/levels.
We'll see what I can do.
Joke answer: I would play in the alternate timeline version of Tukayyid where I would pick Star Adder as my Clan, and my star of choice would be a full nova formation of particularly fast and hard-to-hit lights with TAG and their accompanying Elemental entourage, backed by a two trinaries worth of off-map artillery (Nagas, Huitzilopochtlis, Mobile Long Toms, the _other_ kind of Thor, etc.) and a generous amount of aerospace fighter and bomber support.
Serious and canon-friendly answer: Probably a Warhawk C and a Turkina alongside an isorla Timber Wolf, a Summoner and either a Stormcrow or Black Lanner. Each with their own accompanying Elemental Point if nova formations are allowed. The Clan of choice for this one should be obvious.
A simple Jag assault star ... two Mad Dogs, two Warhawks, and a Dire Wolf.
It just works.
Watching these vids I'm reminded how terryfing clan tech really is. Made it that much more epic that IS stood their ground for a moment. I have a year till I'll see them on my table. But I think my player is gonna be really surprised when he will encounter his first star... Don't have any good combos for my star so I would take those mechs I love from the good ol days of MW pc games: MadCat, Thor, Ryoken, Cauldron-Born and Hunchback-IIc (cause hunchback) Cheers
All good choices, though the Hunchback IIC is a bit of a wildcard.
Ok but Howell had a point. I know naming things is hard but I cringed at that one too.
Dinju frustration...
I thought the fifth mech might have been a light..ie Fire Falcon....but for a heavy star, the cauldron born works well
Yeah unfortunately I couldn't have the Turkina and a light in the same Star. :(
Thanks Mini-Frog!
You bet! Have a great weekend!
2 Custom Night Gyr (packs a gauss and ECM, drops 1 medium pulse, and replaces the other 2 with ER mediums) 2 Black Lanner primes and Fire Falcon prime, and a lima
Interesting bunch. The Black Lanners and the Fire Falcon will always work well together.
Night Gyr Prime for jump and long range support, one of my favorite mechs of all time :3
Summoner A, I would bring my 2 favorites C and Prime but they have ammo issues not fit for Tukayyid, this is still a good brawler though in a pinch
Timberwolf TC for a buncha lasers and 5 jump to get across that river
Stooping Hawk Prime for that sweet sweet 5/8/5 and great loadout+armor for the tonnage (Wolverine addiction)
Rounding it off we Have a Horned Owl standard, I know its not an omnimech, but its a light hunter that can chip in against assaults with that Large Pulse Laser
Whole Star is ideally supported by a BA or two once we hit the towns but that's not necessary.
The goal of this list is to create a jump star that has enough tonnage to take a hit while having enough damage at variable range as to not get rushed or lrmed out of existence
How many lasers? "Buncha"
Noted... :D
Best Star any Jade Falcon commander could hope to deploy, great video!
That modified B EJ is also going in my personal collection btw; the players will be blaming you now and I really appreciate that part 😂)
Thanks a lot!
I eagerly accept blame.
“Random clan” he says!
I call shenanigans! Shenanigans, I say!😂
But serious, a very good vid and I’d love to see more of these “What would you take to _____?” videos.
Good to see a Ebon Jag’ in there!👍
I rarely miss a chance to sing the praises of the Cauldron Born.
My Clan Wolf Alpha Galaxy star:
Pouncer Prime
Grendel Prime
Stormcrow TC
Ebon Jaguar A
Timberwolf TC
I built this star without Tukayyid in mind (more Refusal War era), and the inclusion of the Grendel and Ebon Jaguar in a Wolf star at that time would be semi apocryphal. However I think the loadouts work for the doctrine of reduced ammo dependence the Wolves adopted in preparation for Tukayyid. They all have a strong suite of energy weapons for staying power, with only a few ammo dependent 'punch' weapons in the mix.
I chose to go with just mediums and heavies. This star is meant to be a good mix of speed and firepower, meant to hunt down and encircle an enemy then defeat them in detail. I think that gels with the Wolf ethos.
Love your videos Mechfrog, they're always a treat!
Thanks for giving the vid a go. I like the list. That Ebon Jaguar A can be a nasty customer and a good standoff for ComGuard to get too close.
Star of Epona Primes.
Hells Horses in the House!
Turkina, Mad Dog, Night Gyr, Masakari, and Shadowcat.
PPC monsters and pulse lasers everywhere.
Laser light show.
As soon as you said main energy build to stay in fight I had ideas and some for anti personal. Nova-prime, huntsman-prime, timber wolf-c, turkina-b, murauder 2c.
First Huntsman I've seen on a list. Good to have one around.
@@MechanicalFrog the weapon diversity was too good to pass up along with anti personal weapon pods
This is an interesting thought experiment, especially when you mix the differing battlegrounds of each clan with the options omnimechs give you. I'll take a stab at it, and I'll be representing my own favorite clan, the Ghost Bears.
Knowing my star is going to be fighting in cities, forests, and maybe planes, I'm going to be constructing a generalist assault star. I will admit that I wrote a small essay about it, but I decided to try and condense it down to make it easier to read.
My lineup ended up being pretty much all classic Ghost Bear Mechs, though I think at least one may be a surprise for those who aren't as familiar with the Bears. My Star consists of:
Viper PRIME,
Shadow Cat B,
Executioner A,
Kingfisher PRIME,
and a Kodiak.
It appears that I have taken the term "Assault Star" quite literally. XD
There is a method to my madness. The Viper and Shadow Cat are to serve as scouts, with the Viper running ahead and the Shadow Cat using it's active probe to sniff out any hidden Comgaurds. All the Omnimechs are configured with mostly generalist loadouts, with some preference for city fighting. One mech that I think will be interesting to watch is the Kingfisher. For some unfathomable reason it has a standard engine, giving it an extra level of durability. It also has a very generalist loadout, but I think in this case it's in a good way.
In short, I'm pretty proud of this Star. It feels very Ghost Bear, to me anyway, and still feels formidable. Even if I may be bending the rules slightly by bringing a Kodiak to the front lines.
Looks like a ferocious crew. I like that Kingfisher prime.
Geeze... Both of those were places I was considering to move...
So glad I didn't 😅
Dodged a PPC there.
Well... After what happened to Gorst during the Amaris coup...
Definitely ducked the AC-20 on that mess
The Night Gyr is a given, one my favourite clan mechs. Low in speed, hight in firepower potential.
I made meme build of 3x LBX10s with 4 half tones ammo and 4x Light Machine Guns with two tones of ammo.
Does it work......No
Does it work? no... That had me laughing.
@@MechanicalFrog Good it got laugh🤣
As a Clan Ghost Bear fan, I think my star would consist of a Kodiak 1, Kingfisher Prime, Mad Dog Prime, and 2 Viper Bs.
Lets see: Assuming I'm playing JF as well, I'm prioritizing 'mechs with mobility and energy weapons. They would also have to be survivable enough not to be easily taken out. My goal would be to wear my opponents down while not presenting them with a fair fight.
My star would consist of:
2 Summoner D's
1 Nova A (replacing the AMS with more DHS).
2 Black Lanner A's.
Yup, this star of Mechwarriors have already learned that Comstar will not be playing fair, so why should they? Unlike standard clan combat, they would not be geared for short vicious fights but in for the long haul. Hitting and running and operating for extended periods without supply. They would reply less on armor and more on creating high to hit modifiers through speed and jump capabilities.
Two Black Lanners and a Nova... dang. That's a swift and deadly bunch.
"Jade Falcs are the only way to go!"
Clan Wolf with a Timber Wolf, summoner, mad dog, Warhawk, Dire Wolf.
A very solid and powerful crew.
I came up with a 15k BV star on the MUL force builder the other day. It’s rather Ghost bear centric, being largely a striker star: Executioner Prime (2-gun/4-pilot), Mad Dog Prime (2/4), Nova Prime (2/4), Viper Prime (3/4), and Mist Lynx Prime (3/5). This star needs to move, but having more capable pilots I feel counters all the jumping I plan to do (a little). It’s a tad vanilla, mostly because if I introduce alt.configs, I will be forced to actually build the models for those variants. - Something tougher, without calculating BV, I would say: Warhammer IIC, Mad Dog Prime, Nova Prime, Stormcrow Prime, Horned Owl. This is just off the top of my head, no real reasoning behind it LOL.
Nova prime, cauldron born c i think.. The ppc large pulse variant, a single timber wolf prime, and two supernova. There problem most clans faced was a lack of munitions. I'm rectifying that with laser vomit mechs
No quarter offered, or taken.
@@MechanicalFrog nope. And with a 25 hex range on 3/5 of my star I'm going to chew and nibble until you can get in range. Then the rest of the star opens up.
I would bring a star of mechs armed with lasers and PPCs only. No missiles, no ballistics, just lasers and PPCs.
PPCs on top of PPCs... strapped on with duct tape. Let's go.
Nice Van Zandt patch
Good to have one around.
Going with the Nova Cats for mine. Built this under the Cats Alpha Galaxy 489th Assault cluster - I liked these guys the most out of the Cats forces, built my kickstarer project around them. Came up with a generic star that could serve as a standard battle lance or fire lance in the Tukayyid campaign
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Super Nova - A non omni but the 489th are known to use them in frontline battle. The anchor unit for this star. Excellent long range energy damage, no min range, capable of eviscerating entire IS lances from outside their effective range. Incredibly durable as well.
Warhawk A - The bodyguard to the anchor unit with a good spread of weapons. Twin ERLL and LRM 15 for ranged damage, a respectable Lbx 10 for anti vehicle/air work, and a Streak SRM6 for exploiting holes inflicted by the other weapons .
Cauldron Born C - Twin UAC2s, LRM 15s and SRM 6s fit it firmly into the star's anti air and fire support duties. It's an all ammo loadout, but the deep ammo bins will keep it in the fight for a long time.
Huntsman B - A great skirmisher and swiss army knife design, can cover all ranges and unit types with an ERPPC, LBx10, 2 Med Pulse and 2 MGs.
Shadow Cat A - The scout unit for the star, but still packing a serious punch. Twin ERLL, Streak 6 with deep ammo bins, plus a probe for rooting out enemy units. Has the speed to get away from anything it can't outgun.
When it comes to the comm guard, I wouldn't have any idea what I would face on the battlefield, but I feel this star would be more than able to handle just about whatever Level II force the com guard can throw at it.
Maybe a few screen shots (strung together in a crude stop motion even) from the MegaMech test battle during the narration of your test battle would have been cool. Not sure it there are copyright or similar restrictions but that kind of table top "data" would have played nicely with you narration of the battle. Good video non-the-less, thanks.
There was a disclaimer in the video but OBS just decided not to save the recorded file from the battle. So I made due. Sorry.
@@MechanicalFrog I went back to that section and I see I totally missed the on screen message in my first viewing. No apologies needed. I will look forward to possibly seeing snippets of Megamech in other videos!
I've loved both this and the comstar lvl ii vid. If you do more videos like this, would it be too large of an ask to include a 4th bar on the graph for difficulty or ease of using each mech?
I will ponder this. I've been kind of lumping that sort of consideration into the fun bar.
So, I am going for an Ad hoc style heavy star for Clan Nova Cat for my "Tukayyid Star", the fluff being this a star made of remaining forces that made it to the surface of the planet after the horrific failure of a hot drop. So a mix of frontline and Garrison mechs.
1st up is gonna be a Standard Grizzly, the true clan Thunderbolt and a beast on the board.
2nd will be a Rifleman IIC, more so a Diamond Shark mech I still think it's a decent fighter since it's got 4 Large pulse lasers and a beagle active probe.
3rd is gonna be a Summoner D variant, since the ER large lasers are a bit of a Nova Cat thing and it is a great variant.
4th is going to be Huntsman Prime, since it is an amazing spotter, Infantry/tank
killer, and great at all ranges.
Lastly a standard Supernova, it's a horrific beast on the board the only problem being the fact you can't run and Alpha strike each turn. (I jest) it's still a terrifying mech to fight and the assault of the Star.
I think I want to have all jump capable mechs so the river is less of an obstacle. Also focusing on as many energy weapons as possible to take advantage of their superior ranges and not needing resupply. My Star would be: Night Gyr Prime, Turkina B, Nova B, Summoner D, Executioner A. Everyone can jump, has almost total energy weapons and there is a Summoner so it’s automatically more Jade Falcon.
In keeping with my comment on the Comstar video - I feel like this question misses the point of why Focht's strategy at Tukkayid worked in the first place.
If I were a Clanner going into Tukkayid, I'd have bid *two* stars completely outfitted with jump jets and mount Clan heavy flamers on a few machines for the express purpose of turning concealed bunkers into porridge.
I'd have been laughed out of the room, but after the battle my Clan wouldn't have taken an 80% casualty loss and been bound to a 15-year truce.
This Marauder-3R(C), Vulture Mk. II, Raven-5L, Viper-Alternate Configuration T and Executioner (Gladiator)-Alternate Configuration TC is my 5 picks 😋
Raven 5L... wild card entry. I like it.
@@MechanicalFrog thanks Raven-5L is one of my favorite Light mech 😁
Turkina, Black Lanner, Night Gyrm, Stormcrow, Ebon Jag: well "If you see a falcon not in a Summoner or Hellbringer double your caution!"