@@kumarayush9950yes all half sayains Goten and Trunks found a way to reach super sayain 3. Goku and Vegeta were no where near that level as children. An 8 year old Trunks would handle Frieza easily
@@tylerthomas6235not exactly, 8 year old Trunk has much lower base power than Guku was facing ferieza, so SSJ is based on times of based power, that means 8 year old ssj Trunk has much lower power than what Goku had. If Trunk only get 10% power of what Guku had that time, that means it might not be easy for 8 year old ssjTrunk to kill Frieza, at least not that easy as Guku did.
@@michaelterrell2108 gohan had been studying all that time instead of training he should of been more cunning and smarter then buu the writing killed him off because of japanese fans wanting the spirit bomb ending with goku.
I think him getting absorbed would have been fine if he was brought into the fight with Kid Buu. I know they needed Dende but it would have been a good idea to bring Gohan, Goten and Trunks into that fight since they were all stronger than Vegeta(the latter two as Gotenks) was at that point. Plus it could have been a good time to have Gohan help Goku use the spirit bomb.
owen bowe True, but Gohan is far and away the strongest unfused character. Which does make the kid buu climax fight kinda hilarious in that if Goku would just Instant Transmission to him and bring him back, the fight would be over quite quickly :P.
I mean, Goku did what he had to do. He sacrificed himself twice to save his family and friends, and the planet. Then he stayed dead for a few years, again, to protect the planet and his family and friends. His only real “crime” was spending all that time training, which again, he does to protect the planet.
Faulconer’s score seriously makes this magic. This music helps heighten every emotion that you should feel, and it always has. I remember seeing this and I was so excited for Gohan’s second wind
YellingSleepDifficulties It wouldn't have mattered. Mystic Power up isn't just a boost in abilities. It pushes you to your absolute maximum potential. The reason Gohan didn't turn super saiyan is because there was no reason for him to do so. He was already as strong as he could possibly become... then he stopped training after Buu Saga and his power dropped!
@@wahyucalvinaditya6291 Gohan isnt real, toriyama is the one that decides his personality. He gives people great character arcs and then makes them totally useless 5 episodes later
no he doesn't. Normal timeline trunks and Goten have, they turned Super Sayin at 7 and 8, but Vegeta and Goku will always stay the strongest of the all the Saiyans
Igohard Inthepaint meh future trunks had some God ki without training with an angel or God of destruction. And could hold off zamasu and black on his own. Plus goten and kid trunks went saiyan super early
Metroid not really. goten and trunks are strong because of goku and vegeta being saiyans when they were born. plus their also only strong because they fuse a lot. gohan never fused. and he still was born with the most potential.
@Devil Mario Productions lol I don’t know why people think SSJ2 Gohan is stronger. Vegeta in the Buu arc is literally stronger than Gohan was at the Cell games and still got slapped. Gohan with Potential Unleashed is far stronger and in my opinion, cooler.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Mystic Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Both were weaker than Buu+Gotenks. The only way that Gohan could be stronger than SSJ3 Goku is if Mystic Gohan beat Buu+Gotenks.
@@GeorgeMonetSuper Buu and Gotenks are stronger than ssj3 Goku. Gohan was much stronger than Super Buu. Buutenks wiped the floor with Gohan. Buuhan is the strongest DBZ villain by miles. Super Vegito never had to take Buu seriously even for a moment. Kid Buu is weaker than Buuhan, ssj3 Goku was a decent match. This is all fairly straightforward until DBS ruins it with the Goku Black arc.
@@GregorDuckman Facts . You won't believe the amount of people that still think Kid Buu is the strongest Buu form or that Goku SSJ3 is stronger than Mystic Gohan. Like they didn't watch the show or have reading comprehension.
Thank You Akira Toriyama. This show and the countless moments like this made millions upon millions of my generations childhoods absolutely magical. Rest in Peace.
1:25 this scene had me scared as a kid. White lightning crackling as he unfolds his hands. The dub music significantly helped with this. It gave the imagination infinite possibilities of the amount of power Gohan was capable of. Hindsight, it’s sad how things unfolded but at least the Super Hero film gave Gohan fans what they have been asking for.
0:29, it's really subtle, but the animation makes this one of my favorite Goku moments in the who series. You still see the same look of amazement Kid Goku had back in Dragonball
Trying to ignore Dragonball super Gohan by watching this, but it makes me more sad that he lost so much of his power... His wifes father is billionaire and friends with Bulma whos also a billionair, why does he need a frekin job?
Arief Imran Roslan Well fuck him, it doesn't matter what he wants to do!! He's a saiyan gifted with great strength, and he's gonna have to train and fight like his father!!
***** omg this is classic thanks for replying after this most recent episode of super. So how did you like watching gohan eat ice cream and the great saiyaman lolololol. Goku fighting Zamasu too damn it's all bad for you fucking gohan boy
Just like tien was a badass back in dragonball. Still disappointed of him in super, I thought they would make him a little better then his Z counterpart as hes always training.
@@kaif_saiyan first thing that happens when he gets his ultimate form back is loses to piccolo, falling victim to the same problem he was ALREADY told about. Then in the tournament he beats a few nobody’s and dyspo by sacrificing himself. His team captain status is immediately forgotten by everyone as soon as it starts. It isn’t the same ultimate Gohan from z, overcoming confidence in battle. But it didn’t matter whether he was confident or not as either way he was defeated. Ultimately, pun intended, his return to his ultimate form was completely wasted. It could have been done so much better.
lol me2, its already bean around 40 episodes of super me demanding this, and probably will, since black goku arc is very simmilar to cell arc (opponent with gokus cells, vegeta becomes shet, trunks becomes greater, goku gets better, now we only need some more death and destruction and we will be fine coz gohan will become gr8 again)- I have a dream - Martin Luther King
I would like to see him go SS Rose, not because its better than super saiyan blue but just because it confirms that the mystic transformation involved some sort of god ki
The coolest part is how with the music you think he's going to have this awesome new transformation, and then the music quiets again and sounds like "oh no, it failed," but then he realizes that what was exactly supposed to happen, happened...he became the fullest, truest, best version of himself...Gohan....whoever's reading this in 2025...you were the hero you were looking for, all along
Spihk heart bust!? Can you use Bozeman Hotmail Recipient's Roomies Ghnavel Feces to explain that all Rhode Island Courthouse, and all Rhode Island Courthouse employees & Facility are Racist because they got the Coffee sign up in the Rhode Island Courthouse!?
I notice how everyone says playing anything other than the original soundtrack is disrespectful, yet all the videos of DBZ on TH-cam have the Ron Wasserman score. It's just so awesome.
Mister Awesome Exactly......he would've had real meaning to the plot again. Not only that, but gohan black would've seriously screwed w/trunk's head. He would've been a lot stronger than goku black.
Raymond Zhang It's too late lol. But think of all the underlying plots for it? Trunks old mentor returned to murder him. Goku having to fight his beloved son. Vegeta's anger because of gohan black. Piccolo's pain because of gohan black. On and on. Goku black is great, but gohan would've been better.
that's why I said " please send a message to akira toriyama and then we all alter the timeline." So we can watch "Gohan Black's" arc instead of currently ongoing "Goku Black's" arc.
I think I've never replayed a vid as much as this one, brings back so many memories and I STILL get chills down my spine when he starts screaming with the epic music along with it!
Power level: above ssj 3 goku Energy waste level: regular form Best of the transformations to end buu quickly and also fight very long if needed, imo best of all forms
It's just downright amazing that it wasn't even his full power ,his potential is damn near limitless that's why I never hated on Gohan because at the end of the day the guy is a monster. he may not be as driven as Goku or Vegeta but if he really wants to fight Gohan is definitely a force to be reckoned with.
This _is_ his full power in base form, but he can still go Super Saiyan afterwards. He's able to reach this level with his own energy while Goku and Vegeta needed God to be on the same page, he still has amazing potential that's sadly not used
@theshermantanker7043 If he could why didn't he against buu?? I think Mystic Gohan may have given him ridiculous base power, but it stopped him from transforming?
Realistically this right here should have woken beerus up immediately lol, like WHIS WHAT THE SHIT WAS THAT?! *Edit* y'all are a bunch of buzz killingtons lol
Nah it still wouldnt have disturbed him, especially if ssj vegito vs gogan absorbed buu didnt, and since ultimate gohan is vastly weaker than him even in the manga after his massive unexplained power boost putting him equal to kefla
@@noahjones9833 whenever there is a good comment there are always intellectual fuckups like you. Like what the hell dude let everyone enjoy without your stupid logic.
I remember this scene giving me the most chills ever in anime, and I'm not even a huge Gohan fan. The look on Goku's face right after Gohan blows away the Elder Kai speaks a thousand words. Until that point, he's NEVER been that impressed by his own family/allies.
If anything good came from the poorly written Buu Saga, it was the badass theme when Gohan powered up to Mystic Form. And he still lost, what a waste of an awesome character.
TheFinalflasher He was only the main character of the Cell games, he didn't get much attention before that. But it's a well known fact he was supposed to be the star of the entire Buu saga, but fans didn't care for Gohan and the whole Great Saiyaman thing so Toriyama changed his mind.
Lord Vader Heck, he was supposed to be the hero of the entire show. Goku died in Season 1 remember, and fans and upper production pressured Toriyama into bringing Goku back.
TL;DR Asspulls and Undeserved powerups have been staples of the series since late Dragon Ball, and it's unfair to give all of it a pass while holding Dragon Ball Super to a much higher standard The above mentioned are common complaints levied against Dragon Ball Super, and they have been increasingly used since the introduction of Kale and Caulifla, particularly in the last few weeks, since the episodes have been focusing on them and now their fused form, Kefla. I think these criticisms are mostly unwarranted, because they have been big parts of the Dragon Ball series, especially in the sagas people seem to have the most love for (Namek Saga and Android Saga). In this post I'm going to attempt to compile all of the "Asspulls" and "Undeserved Powerups" of the series, that if they were shown today, would be criticized just as harshly as Dragon Ball Super currently is. It will mostly focus on the Z portion of the series because it introduced power levels which quantified the power of the characters, and made use of powerups more than the original Dragon Ball part of the series. Dragon Ball The Ultra Divine Water: This is the first real asspull powerup of the series and, unlike the Sacred Water, which was just tap water and the real powerup came from the training, is actually magic water, which allows Goku's power to go from being easily defeated by an old and weakened King Piccolo, to being able to defeat King Piccolo in his prime. Dragon Ball Z Gohan's rage boost when Raditz was hurting Goku is an undeserved powerup. There's some loose rationalization of this by saying Gohan is a half saiyan, and has a lot of potential, which I'm fine with, but by the standard people are holding DBS to, just saying someone is angry and/or has a lot of potential isn't enough to justify the massive boost in power. This rage boost allowed Gohan to do a decent amount of damage to Raditz, who was completely outclassing Goku and Piccolo at the same time. Goku, who had trained his whole life, including three years of training with Kami, and Piccolo, who was the warrior class reincarnation of King Piccolo, were unable to do anything to Raditz, while Gohan, a spoiled five year old who had never trained in his life (Chi-Chi wouldn't allow it) was able to damage him. Krillin, Tien, and Yamcha's training with Kami: Goku (who was already stronger than everyone else), after training with Kami for three years, and then training in the five year time gap between DB and DBZ, had a power level of 416, while Raditz had a power level of 1,500. In one year of training they were all able to surpass Raditz's power. Starting off weaker than Goku and with less training than Goku had, they were able to far surpass Goku's strength before his training on King Kai's planet. If we're judging this by the same standard we judge DBS, this massive increase of power would be labelled an asspull, and this is at the beginning of the series. It gets much worse later on. Goku's gravity training on the spaceship: Goku went from having a power level of a bit over 8,000 to 90,000, in five days. This is a bit less concrete, because he did use senzu beans to heal and he was training, but the speed at which he obtained this massive increase of power is a bit ridiculous. He clearly got this power because the plot necessitated that he be that strong. Vegeta's Zenkai boost after fighting Recoome: Vegeta's previous zenkai boosts had been relatively small, going from 18,000 to 24,000 at his arrival on Namek, to 30,000 after being beat by Zarbon. This Zenkai boost allowed him to easily defeat Jeice, and let him be roughly on par with First Form Frieza (I say that because after their little fight, he felt the need to transform, where Vegeta went from confident to afraid). This form of Frieza had a power level of 530,000, which is a power boost significantly higher than any he had gotten before. Gohan's rage boost against Second Form Frieza: This rage boost is even more ridiculous than the one against Raditz. Gohan's power went from weaker than Recoome (even if he got a Zenkai boost he still would have been weaker than Vegeta) to enough to do some damage to Second Form Frieza, who had a power level over 1 million. Vegeta's Zenkai boost from Krillin: This powerup is completely undeserved, and allowed Vegeta to be confident against Second Form and presumably Third Form Frieza. Goku's Zenkai boost after fighting Captain Ginyu: The most ridiculous and last mentioned Zenkai boost of the series. Goku goes from a power level of 90,000 to 3 million. Why the inconsistency in power gained from a Zenkai boost? Plot, and it surely wasn't a deserved powerup, and would most definitely be labelled an asspull. This one is kind of an aside, because it's part of his character, but Frieza's power. Unlike Goku, Frieza had never trained a day in his life, and he had a power level of 120 million at full power. For all the complaints about Frieza's four months of training and Jiren's crazy power, this is worse than both in my opinion. At least they both trained and presumably earned their power. Frieza in the Namek saga was just born like that. Vegeta's transformation into a Super Saiyan: Anime filler and dub changes aside, Vegeta became a Super Saiyan because he trained and got mad. This is nothing compared to the rage Goku experienced after seeing his childhood friend murdered in front of him. Considering the way people criticize the U6 Saiyans for getting easy transformations, this is just as bad. Vegeta became a Super Saiyan because the plot demanded it and there was a flimsy explanation thrown in. The power of Androids 17 and 18: In regards to undeserved power, these two are close to the top. An Earth scientist was able to create Androids that were significantly stronger than the previously strongest being in the universe (Frieza, and before Goku the power gap wasn't even remotely close), and had infinite stamina. People will criticize Android 17's big power boost in Super, but at least he trained. 17 and 18's power in the Android saga were so big because the plot demanded that they be stronger than a Super Saiyan. Gohan's transformation into a Super Saiyan: I'm not going to criticize the Super Saiyan 2 transformation because an ascended Super Saiyan had been referred to the whole saga and was built up well. This transformation is off screen, but Goku's instructions to Gohan are basically power up and get mad by using your imagination. Once again, another easy transformation after Goku went Super Saiyan first. At this point Super Saiyan means little and will mean even less in the next arc. Goten and Trunks getting Super Saiyan: Goten gets it while training with Chi Chi, and Trunks gets it offscreen without Vegeta's knowledge. Super Saiyan from this point forward means pretty much nothing and any Saiyan can get it with enough power. As an aside, I'd like to point out that both Goku and Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan 2 by training and getting more powerful, and considering it was during a time of peace, there was likely no emotional trigger to achieve it. This kind of shows that the key to achieving Super Saiyan 2 isn't just rage like how Gohan achieved it, but training as well. I'm kind of assuming once your power gets to a certain threshold it becomes a lot easier to achieve. Gotenks achieving Super Saiyan 3: Two kids unable to go Super Saiyan 2 being able to go Super Saiyan 3 while fused just shows how powerful fusion is, but it is an undeserved powerup. With the small time they had in the RoSaT, they were able to achieve what took Goku seven years of training while dead. They clearly achieved this because the plot demanded it, due to the power of Super Buu. Gohan getting his potential unlocked: I get that Gohan's crazy potential had been hyped up throughout the entire series, but getting his potential unlocked by Guru and achieving Super Saiyan 2 were supposed to be examples of that. After seven years of training Goku and Vegeta had barely surpassed the level Gohan had shown against Cell. This is the definition of an asspull and an undeserved powerup. After being weaker than he was seven years ago due to never training, Gohan was able to surpass Goku and Gotenks at Super Saiyan 3 by a significant margin (he easily beat Super Buu while Gotenks had to put in effort in the fight), and without the massive stamina drain of Super Saiyan 3. And he achieved this not through training, but through a magical ceremony. Now to my knowledge that should cover everything, although if I missed something tell me in the comments. I made this post not to trash on DBZ, but to show that this sort of stuff has been a staple of the series since late Dragon Ball, and that we should hold the entire franchise to the same standard, instead of holding one part of the series up on a pedestal while trashing another part for doing something that the series had been doing for years. That's not to say that Dragon Ball Super is above criticism, but a significant amount of the criticism that I see is complaining about power scaling, asspulls, and undeserved powerups. I'd also suggest that people who haven't should read the manga, because a lot of the justifications I see for the asspulls and undeserved powerups come from filler and dub changes to the series. If you've made it this far I thank you for reading my post, and I hope you liked it or it at least provoked some discussion or thought, otherwise I just wasted an hour doing this.
darniel williams the wild wild west....the long ass transformation scenes and badass trash talking cut aways...the symbolic thoughts running through various characters like vegeta and piccolo...I hear ya loud and clear buddy I miss those days too.
+Noah Clark Nah... Vegeta should have defeated Golden Freeza, fact. They fucked up so much on that. Now, if Goku defeats Goku Black I'm done with Akira. Seriously, Goku gets all important kills, it's stupid.
Well they said that’s these guys race personality they get super cocky an tend to stall just to push there limits which cost them a lot of problems later a lot of villains should be dead if they didn’t wanna test out there powers on them for instance gohan vs cell vegeta vs cell goku vs buu goku admitted he could kill buu as a super sayin 3 but enjoyed fighting
Yea because super buu was stronger than kid buu an ultimate gohan was winning until he got absorbed which made super buu as ultimate gohan stronger than kid buu as well people don’t understand that kid buu wasn’t the strongest form he was just the most direct an most evil which made it look like he was stronger but goku didn’t need a vision for kids buu that’s the point the fusion is what proves the point any time you fuse that means the opponent is way to strong for instance broly they had to fuse
Mags9191 yeah he only fought when he absolutely had too. He always wanted to be a scholar, and now that goku & vegeta are so strong he felt he didn't need to train. But after frieza came back and all that he's been training
i like how the disturbances in the surroundings differs from the other super transformations. apart from the initial shockwave, it's more like a constant wave of energy and hence you dont get pieces of land getting rekt in bursts
It's similar to the bit where piccolo fused with kami and powered up when fighting against cell. That was amazing. You can see his body vibrating and the area around him.
When Gohan was literally the strongest character in the series without fusion
Gohan was never the strongest character without fusion.
@@GeorgeMonet Akira seems to disagree
@@GeorgeMonet yes he was dumbass
Thanks to Piccolo
@Dennis Slungard was SSJ3 Goku equal to Kid Buu or Majin Buu (Fat)
The fact that Goku always knew Gohan's power, but was legitimately SHOCKED by it in this scene still brings the magic back....
That's the best part; nobody how much stronger Goku gets, Gohan always manages to surpass his father's expectations every time.
@@sonic5993that’s the half saiyans for you
@@Falcons15176 Not all the half saiyans, it's just Gohan.
@@kumarayush9950yes all half sayains Goten and Trunks found a way to reach super sayain 3. Goku and Vegeta were no where near that level as children. An 8 year old Trunks would handle Frieza easily
@@tylerthomas6235not exactly, 8 year old Trunk has much lower base power than Guku was facing ferieza, so SSJ is based on times of based power, that means 8 year old ssj Trunk has much lower power than what Goku had. If Trunk only get 10% power of what Guku had that time, that means it might not be easy for 8 year old ssjTrunk to kill Frieza, at least not that easy as Guku did.
"Yes! Time to go get absorbed by Buu due to bad writing!" -Gohan
Ultimate Gohan is my favorite form of Gohan. I loved him as a kid and was so upset when he lost. The writing really shit the bed...
Not bad Buu was just smart
It wasn’t bad writing. Buu just outsmarted Gohan. Brawn isn’t the only way to win a fight.
@@michaelterrell2108 gohan had been studying all that time instead of training he should of been more cunning and smarter then buu the writing killed him off because of japanese fans wanting the spirit bomb ending with goku.
I think him getting absorbed would have been fine if he was brought into the fight with Kid Buu. I know they needed Dende but it would have been a good idea to bring Gohan, Goten and Trunks into that fight since they were all stronger than Vegeta(the latter two as Gotenks) was at that point. Plus it could have been a good time to have Gohan help Goku use the spirit bomb.
When he was literally the strongest in his universe.
I mean... Beerus...
@@shadowkhiz7455 beerus wasn’t created at this time. So therefore gohan was the strongest
@@iamoscarito6899 wym beerurs was “created” he was just taking a “nap” a 50 year one
@@iamoscarito6899 well if u mean he wasn’t introduced yet then ig
@@chrisacosta_1516 I think he was referring to the character, not the chronology. He wasn’t created in real life until after DBZ.
Crazy to think that Gohan was closer to God level than anyone at this point.
Daymon Rondino dude in a perfect world of Gohan kept training after the cell games Super Saiyan blue would be Gohans warmup
Hakeem Fitzgerald No not at all
Daymon Rondino vegito
owen bowe True, but Gohan is far and away the strongest unfused character. Which does make the kid buu climax fight kinda hilarious in that if Goku would just Instant Transmission to him and bring him back, the fight would be over quite quickly :P.
Supreme kais were closer because they were already gods with god ki
"Try believing someplace else." LMAOOOO
SithLordNefaar022 I know right! LMAOO!!
SithLordNefaar022 When christians knock on my door.
H umanity Jehovah's witness...
SithLordNefaar022 "I can't BELIEVE he didn't wait for me to move first!" I love old kai
SithLordNefaar022. lmao
Hearing Goku tell Gohan he’s proud of him is so wholesome.
And people say he’s a bad father smh
I mean, Goku did what he had to do. He sacrificed himself twice to save his family and friends, and the planet. Then he stayed dead for a few years, again, to protect the planet and his family and friends. His only real “crime” was spending all that time training, which again, he does to protect the planet.
@@voss456 imagine having the job of protecting the family and planet and getting shit for it .😂😂😂
@@voss456 and in Super he doomed 11 universes because “i’m bored i want a tournament 😢”
@@Freestyle80 Toriyama became a hack.
Faulconer’s score seriously makes this magic. This music helps heighten every emotion that you should feel, and it always has. I remember seeing this and I was so excited for Gohan’s second wind
For real 📝👍🏻. This is the dub and score after the original Japanese that I grew up with. It'll always be the best English dub and score to me.
@@discipleaj same here bro, they got it right 💯
What’s it called?
@@808Castro “Gohan Powers Up” it’s on the “Best of Dragonball Z Vol.3” disc
@@mightbearer I’m talking about the music at 1:35 bro 😭
Make Gohan great again.
Kojo Amponsah 😂😂
Kojo Amponsah they already
Kojo Amponsah lmao that was good.
Lol!
Gohan is a beast now in the tournament of power
Imagine if Gohan kept training after the cell games...
Ultimate gohan is powerful than ssj3 goku he's stated as the strongest character who doesn't need fusion
ssj6 goku not stronger than kid buu
BAZ1NGA510 yes he is
Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu
YellingSleepDifficulties It wouldn't have mattered. Mystic Power up isn't just a boost in abilities. It pushes you to your absolute maximum potential. The reason Gohan didn't turn super saiyan is because there was no reason for him to do so. He was already as strong as he could possibly become... then he stopped training after Buu Saga and his power dropped!
I swear the background music for these type of transformations are dope af
I know.. Bruce Falconer soundtracks are the best
It's fucking pathetic. Japanese version has a real epic background music.
Bartek Nope
@@obstawpojare lol go away weeb
@@obstawpojare Are you Japanese? Stop being a typical dub hating elitist. It's fine. Your negativity makes the anime community a toxic community.
Best line in this scene
"try believe in someplace else"
😂😂😂
He couldn't believe he didn't wait for him to move first 😂😂
He knew what was able to happen with that kind of power
it's kind of intimidating. He knows Gohan's power up is going to be so great it's a natural disaster
@@townspersonb12 wow you re so smart bruh, 200 iq on display...just f off
@@townspersonb12calm down Grammar Lord. English isn't everyone's first language.
They gave him this crazy good power up and they still couldn't find a way to write gohan well
Because he became arrogant or something?
@@wahyucalvinaditya6291 Gohan isnt real, toriyama is the one that decides his personality. He gives people great character arcs and then makes them totally useless 5 episodes later
Toryamia didn’t want gohan to beat buu but wanted the sprit bomb to beat him and have vegeta at the ended to finish his character arc
Because nobody wanted gohan to beat the main villian
Gohan doesn't sell as much merchandise as the Goku vs Vegeta rivalry.
Gohan was literally the most talented character in DBZ. If he only works as hard as Vegeta, he will surpass everyone else even Goku
Gohan went super saiyan 2 first before goku trunks and vegeta in the cell saga of DBZ
@@johnathanwoodley5005and now he unlocked his beast form from the latest movie.
@@HybridPhage yeah but super is kinda crap compared to the old stuff so it doesn't count
@@sirsir9665 ye the series but I love the movies tbh
@@HybridPhagebeast mode gohan looks cool, but it just makes no sense. Another transformation? Really?
gohan has the most potential out of the whole cast.
'had' being the operative word
Tesla_Ray_Gun21 he still has the potential he just doesn't train
no he doesn't. Normal timeline trunks and Goten have, they turned Super Sayin at 7 and 8, but Vegeta and Goku will always stay the strongest of the all the Saiyans
Igohard Inthepaint meh future trunks had some God ki without training with an angel or God of destruction. And could hold off zamasu and black on his own. Plus goten and kid trunks went saiyan super early
Metroid not really. goten and trunks are strong because of goku and vegeta being saiyans when they were born. plus their also only strong because they fuse a lot. gohan never fused. and he still was born with the most potential.
No hair color transformation jus raw power and an inner G.. this Gohan over everything in dragonball...💯 goku's face at :28 says it all
Is similar to ultra instinct. Just a white glow
@@AASNoticias No it's not.
@@AASNoticias not at all
It’s probably like super saiyan god (red hair) level
@@Rvsbyz gay
In Super, Goku would've just wanted to immediately fight Gohan.
MarginalSC lmao so true
Dbs is trash
MarginalSC lmao so true
In Super, Goku is a fucking psychopath who only wants to fight shit.
To be honest, Goku is a total dickhead xD
@@Seneric someone had to say it lmao. After seeing this again, Goku looks like a fucking idiot in super and ultra instinct is an absolute ass pull
"my gosh... This is Amazing. I feel INCREDIBLE!!
YES YES YES YES!
I CAN WIN!
I FEEL GREAT!
I CAN DO THIS!"
Josh Felicilda haha picolo
"Naaaaail! I saw a bird. It was pretty. Kick it's ass." - Guru.
IM HOME, IM ALIVE, THIS IS ALL A MIRACLE! IM AWAKE! IM WIDE AWAKE!
When TFS come to this point, they better include that line
What the heck are you talking about! Nigga
As Super Kami Guru once said "It's all downhill from here."
Xelamorph67 Gohan - "I need an adult ? Old kai - "YOU ARE AN ADUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLT!"
paaarty pooooper
Everyone commenting on how strong Gohan was... and I feel sad for the people who have only watched super for they will never know...
Mystic gojan is bad asss
@@alexclerk2272 you should see ssj2 gohan in action
luckily in the DBS manga, he is highlighted in a good way
Kids these days will never know
@Devil Mario Productions lol I don’t know why people think SSJ2 Gohan is stronger. Vegeta in the Buu arc is literally stronger than Gohan was at the Cell games and still got slapped. Gohan with Potential Unleashed is far stronger and in my opinion, cooler.
Hm... anyone else notice the change in his face from before he powered up to after? His features are so much sharper afterwards...
I enjoy Mystic form. The super Saiyan eyes plus the one bang with the strand?! Solid 👍🏽
@@thekevinwright totally agree with you brother!
They ruined it in super
They should’ve gave him the solid white glow instead of his normal aura, and white hair
Piccolo actually mentions this as Gohan arrives on the battle field.
Becomes the strongest non-fused being in his known universe at the time and they didnt do anything with him....that is really aggravating
They finally gave us the version of Gohan we waited almost a decade to see then had him absorbed in a few episodes. Then back to goofy Saiyaman 🤦♂️
There is no evidence whatsoever that Mystic Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Both were weaker than Buu+Gotenks. The only way that Gohan could be stronger than SSJ3 Goku is if Mystic Gohan beat Buu+Gotenks.
@GeorgeMonet it is confirmed that Gohan was much stronger than ssj3 goku.
@@GeorgeMonetSuper Buu and Gotenks are stronger than ssj3 Goku. Gohan was much stronger than Super Buu. Buutenks wiped the floor with Gohan. Buuhan is the strongest DBZ villain by miles. Super Vegito never had to take Buu seriously even for a moment. Kid Buu is weaker than Buuhan, ssj3 Goku was a decent match. This is all fairly straightforward until DBS ruins it with the Goku Black arc.
@@GregorDuckman Facts . You won't believe the amount of people that still think Kid Buu is the strongest Buu form or that Goku SSJ3 is stronger than Mystic Gohan. Like they didn't watch the show or have reading comprehension.
Thank You Akira Toriyama. This show and the countless moments like this made millions upon millions of my generations childhoods absolutely magical. Rest in Peace.
1:25 this scene had me scared as a kid. White lightning crackling as he unfolds his hands. The dub music significantly helped with this. It gave the imagination infinite possibilities of the amount of power Gohan was capable of.
Hindsight, it’s sad how things unfolded but at least the Super Hero film gave Gohan fans what they have been asking for.
Yup
Couldn't have said it better myself!
But sadly, it's way way way way way way way way too late for anyone to care.
Scared? Lol really?
@@GoGetYourShineboxlol right
BRING GOHAN BACK
Noseless Migi yes
Curtis what if videl died because of a new villain and he went mystic
Curtis 101st like 😁
He is Back !
Lmao
i think gohan sounds the coolest when he powers up
true
But ssj2 scream was the best
Too bad the japanese scream is god awful
@@sheralikhtk5200 yeah
kevin prithvi nah goku will always sound the best screaming
This music is fucking gold.
+Ryan Clemens, I love dbz, but this music is the only reason I'm watching this
Yup faulconer did it justice for sure
It's called Gohan arrives if you were wondering
+Matheus Pinto It's called Gohan Powers Up on the The Best of Dragon Ball Z Volume 3
It makes me feel so damn energetic
0:29, it's really subtle, but the animation makes this one of my favorite Goku moments in the who series. You still see the same look of amazement Kid Goku had back in Dragonball
Proud dad moment.
Trying to ignore Dragonball super Gohan by watching this, but it makes me more sad that he lost so much of his power... His wifes father is billionaire and friends with Bulma whos also a billionair, why does he need a frekin job?
Ikr smh
Lol That makes Gohan's major decline evenmore sad
Gohans dream was to become a scholar man. Let him be
Arief Imran Roslan Well fuck him, it doesn't matter what he wants to do!! He's a saiyan gifted with great strength, and he's gonna have to train and fight like his father!!
You can't tell him what to do, and in fact he is still strong enough to defeat a basic random human like yourself with no effort.
0:30 when your son surpassed the fuck out of you
:dbsuper when future trunks surpassed gohan
***** ssbkkx10 didn't do anything for you!.....anything at all!..... that shit was amazing i like super just for that alone. I'm a huge db fan tho.
***** lol im 25 so I'm fucking embedded with goku so yeah i love me some goku, so sorry for non goku fans
"0:30 when your son surpassed the fuck out of you". You mean, AGAIN. lol
***** omg this is classic thanks for replying after this most recent episode of super. So how did you like watching gohan eat ice cream and the great saiyaman lolololol. Goku fighting Zamasu too damn it's all bad for you fucking gohan boy
At this point he surpassed super Saiyan 3 and more.
He was the strongest z fighter at thus point
@@hassanasad27 Imagine you're Goku and Gohan just jumps from weaker than his kid form to blitzing past your new Super Saiyan 3 in 18 hours or smth
@@swagtachiuchiha1501
Well Goku knew Gohan has more potential and the fact he surpassed his dad when he was 9yo proves that it makes sense
@@willi898 that’s true my brother’ I’m with you on that one ☝️
He just surpassed ssj blue and god
Me: y’all remember when gohan was a badass
People who’ve only seen super: gohan was a badass???
Gohan had his moments in Super.
KLiCk when??? When he almost died powering up?
KLiCk sureeeeee
@@KuraiSomnium All of the eliminations he made in the ToP.
Just like tien was a badass back in dragonball. Still disappointed of him in super, I thought they would make him a little better then his Z counterpart as hes always training.
Fucking chills ran down my spine every time i watch this... no matter how old it is
MarcTheStrong me too bro! Mystic Saiyan all the way
Bring this gohan back !! 🔥🔥
He's already back in dragon Ball super 😊
@@kaif_saiyan not the "strongest from U7." one.
@@kaif_saiyan first thing that happens when he gets his ultimate form back is loses to piccolo, falling victim to the same problem he was ALREADY told about. Then in the tournament he beats a few nobody’s and dyspo by sacrificing himself. His team captain status is immediately forgotten by everyone as soon as it starts. It isn’t the same ultimate Gohan from z, overcoming confidence in battle. But it didn’t matter whether he was confident or not as either way he was defeated. Ultimately, pun intended, his return to his ultimate form was completely wasted. It could have been done so much better.
if he trained in dbsuper then he would surpass JIREN
Gohan Beast was hinted at but based on the CELL MAX, it seems like fan fiction atm.
3 most badass gohan
Cell saga ssj2 Gohan
Mystic Gohan
Future Gohan
great saiyaman was the most badass
@@neacaildhungana8604 The great saiyaman was too badass to be on the list
You missed one
@TheDark Spirit what in the actual fuck are you even talking about...?
@TheDark Spirit roshi didn't get enough attention or love? Have you even watched episode 105?
It still gives me chills when the screen shakes at the beginning, something beyond epic about it!
dat static in da hand tho
Supah Bluu I keep replaying that over and over so awesome
Supah Bluu That fucking profile pic tho! ahaha 😂😂
+tim huynh you my friend are a geniusXD
Looks like Gohan got the electro bolt plasmid
Gotta keep the pimp hand strong
Mystic Gohan better come back in the new Dragon Ball Super TV Series, don't fuck it up Toriyama.
OneEyedDragonParty Yeah we need more Gohan.
Nah man he will forget....
OneEyedDragonParty Nope, only Goku is allowed to do anything, remember?
Mac Its sad but you right all other characters is wallpaper for Goku...
+TheCreamPuffs So true :/
I want to see Gohan become powerful again and become a mystic saiyan god! Use his inner mystic power with god ki!
lol me2, its already bean around 40 episodes of super me demanding this, and probably will, since black goku arc is very simmilar to cell arc (opponent with gokus cells, vegeta becomes shet, trunks becomes greater, goku gets better, now we only need some more death and destruction and we will be fine coz gohan will become gr8 again)- I have a dream - Martin Luther King
Sven Winkler what
YonatanbenDavid777 you are gonna get that wish in February my dude are boy is back 😎
Hell yeah, Mystic Saiyan God, i think his aura should be white or something, not normal blue for SSGSS, or red for Saiyan God, got to be different.
I would like to see him go SS Rose, not because its better than super saiyan blue but just because it confirms that the mystic transformation involved some sort of god ki
The coolest part is how with the music you think he's going to have this awesome new transformation, and then the music quiets again and sounds like "oh no, it failed," but then he realizes that what was exactly supposed to happen, happened...he became the fullest, truest, best version of himself...Gohan....whoever's reading this in 2025...you were the hero you were looking for, all along
Why is Bruce Falconer such a god damn genius?
The music gods created him, so he can created music like a god.
amen brothers, I am fuckin huge of his work, this man just feels the whole Dragon Ball universe
Most of the musical genius was by Morgan and Smith.
And Julius Dobos
Sartheris Stormhammer lmaooo right?
"Try believing some place else." LOL
Spihk heart bust!? Can you use Bozeman Hotmail Recipient's Roomies Ghnavel Feces to explain that all Rhode Island Courthouse, and all Rhode Island Courthouse employees & Facility are Racist because they got the Coffee sign up in the Rhode Island Courthouse!?
Fam said, “ try believing someplace else “ 😂💯🏄🏾♂️
I notice how everyone says playing anything other than the original soundtrack is disrespectful, yet all the videos of DBZ on TH-cam have the Ron Wasserman score. It's just so awesome.
Man Sometimes I Wish We Can Do These Things
Oh trust me, you're definitely not the only one
You just have to believe.
yeah right. Lol. 50 years later . Dead
Diogo Abreu lol
You gotta believe but, try believing some place else.
I will never understand why they had him go through this whole storyline only to be absorbed by BUU
i heard author intended for gohan to defeat buu but his fanbase is triggered that goku is not the one who defeat buu so he changed it
@@truthboom goku fans legit be ruining everything
@@truthboom yup
Pretty sure gohan was meant to end the story
@@truthboom not what happened
If only Dragonball Super could get me excited like this...
GeminiStrike it did
Ultra Instinct bro😎
Thank you!!!
It wont.
GeminiStrike I feel the same way whoever right and produce tht shit is lame af with no passion
00:08 What people say when I believe in myself.
This is so AWESOME, seriously the music, the power up, even the scream with the lightning makes you feel the epic power.
Black should've took gohans body.........the potential inside gohan shits on goku and vegeta.
Jiron127 Come to think of it Gohan Black would have really brought Gohan back into the spotlight
Mister Awesome Exactly......he would've had real meaning to the plot again. Not only that, but gohan black would've seriously screwed w/trunk's head. He would've been a lot stronger than goku black.
interesting! please send a message to akira toriyama and then we all alter the timeline.
Raymond Zhang It's too late lol. But think of all the underlying plots for it? Trunks old mentor returned to murder him. Goku having to fight his beloved son. Vegeta's anger because of gohan black. Piccolo's pain because of gohan black. On and on. Goku black is great, but gohan would've been better.
that's why I said " please send a message to akira toriyama and then we all alter the timeline." So we can watch "Gohan Black's" arc instead of currently ongoing "Goku Black's" arc.
SS Gohan in the Kai’s outfit was top tier drip - beat only by Gohan in cell saga.
This is so well done! Pure raw power!!
"Awesome...now I'm gonna go prove I didn't learn a damn thing from Cell"
*LOOKS AT HAND*...THIS..IS AWESOME...
That scene had such an impact everything was perfect!!
I think I've never replayed a vid as much as this one, brings back so many memories and I STILL get chills down my spine when he starts screaming with the epic music along with it!
1:25 when you hit a new deadlift pr without ripping open your caluses
Power level: above ssj 3 goku
Energy waste level: regular form
Best of the transformations to end buu quickly and also fight very long if needed, imo best of all forms
He isn't above SSJ3 Goku. At best he is equal.
@@GeorgeMonethe is definitely above ssj3 bro
That crackling of lighting in his hand was magic, gohan was closer than anyone to becoming God level at this point
Closer? 😂 He's way stronger than any of the Gods. South Supreme Kai was the strongest we know of and Gohan is stronger.
Gohan should have been the one to go Ultra Instinct.
I don't know how his ultimate form doesn't have god ki since it's
A supreme Kai technique
@@itsnimbus you would think.
Didn't it say somewhere Mystic Gohan was stronger then SSJ3 Goku?
it is alot stronger that SSJ3
***** but mystic gohan got his ass handed to him by Super Buu (Gotenks) so........
Jaquan Farrell
Buutenks > Mystic Gohan > SSJ3 Goku > Super Buu = Gotenks
***** I know but you said Super Buu was stronger than SSJ3 Goku when actually Goku is not that far from Gohan's strength.
***** Both Piccolo and Goten said Gotenks was about equal with Super Buu.
And thus, Gohan received a free power up and did absolutely nothing with it. The End :(
Bruce Falconers soundtrack is literally the soul of DBZ
It's just downright amazing that it wasn't even his full power ,his potential is damn near limitless that's why I never hated on Gohan because at the end of the day the guy is a monster. he may not be as driven as Goku or Vegeta but if he really wants to fight Gohan is definitely a force to be reckoned with.
Gohan has unlimited potential. The guy could become ridiculously op if he trained.
This _is_ his full power in base form, but he can still go Super Saiyan afterwards. He's able to reach this level with his own energy while Goku and Vegeta needed God to be on the same page, he still has amazing potential that's sadly not used
@@theshermantanker7043 Goku vs Gohan in DBS & Beast Gohan in DBS: Super Hero would like to argue (yes, Gohan broke the limits of Ultimate).
@theshermantanker7043 If he could why didn't he against buu?? I think Mystic Gohan may have given him ridiculous base power, but it stopped him from transforming?
Rip Akira he’s really the 🐐
When the internet goes out while I am playing a ranked game/ 0:42
1:36 Piccolo invisible or something?
Anon fuck off
someone dodged the joke
lmao 🤣🤣
@@enricovidovic4251 stfu gokutard we all know Goku adopted Gohan piccolo is the real father fuckboi
@@youni8268 oh shut the fuck up the joke is old
this is the best version of this power up. voice acting, all of it.
Realistically this right here should have woken beerus up immediately lol, like WHIS WHAT THE SHIT WAS THAT?! *Edit* y'all are a bunch of buzz killingtons lol
Nah it still wouldnt have disturbed him, especially if ssj vegito vs gogan absorbed buu didnt, and since ultimate gohan is vastly weaker than him even in the manga after his massive unexplained power boost putting him equal to kefla
@@noahjones9833 whenever there is a good comment there are always intellectual fuckups like you. Like what the hell dude let everyone enjoy without your stupid logic.
@@Rodolfotrismegistus2815 we learn new things everyday like how 4 fucking lines is a paragaraph
@@ShivamSharma-ho1ni not even my main point, even though 4 lines is still a paragraph stoopid
@@Rodolfotrismegistus2815 bro stop typing paragraphs
0:23 Gohan is so strong, he made Goku's muscles shrink.
he absorbed the testosterone
@@naglismalisauskas1779 That's what she did last night
@@agentsmith9858 😃😃
You got a nice pair of eyes buster
I remember this scene giving me the most chills ever in anime, and I'm not even a huge Gohan fan. The look on Goku's face right after Gohan blows away the Elder Kai speaks a thousand words. Until that point, he's NEVER been that impressed by his own family/allies.
This is the best Dbz scream ever.I get chills every time :O
Gutted vegeta wasnt here to see this. Whenever goku or gohan reach new heights its always nice to see the jealously and envy oozing out of vegeta
"Try believing some place else!" That, my friends, is a good line.
Akira please Mystic power up Gohan again, stick him in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for a year & send him off to train with Whis...please...
Chill dude he'd kill everyone
+Angel Flores I couldn't help but imagine how dead the earth would be if frieza trained like he did in resurrection when he was first shown.
He's back
"But look at him, he's normal." Goku tea bags Gohan...
If anything good came from the poorly written Buu Saga, it was the badass theme when Gohan powered up to Mystic Form.
And he still lost, what a waste of an awesome character.
Jonathan Reiland Blame Toriyama, Gohan was supposed to be the main character for this Saga.
Vader Its the fans fault for wanting goku not toriyama.
Lord Vader Gohan was literally the main character for the cell saga. I highly doubt he was meant to be the main character for the buu saga too.
TheFinalflasher
He was only the main character of the Cell games, he didn't get much attention before that. But it's a well known fact he was supposed to be the star of the entire Buu saga, but fans didn't care for Gohan and the whole Great Saiyaman thing so Toriyama changed his mind.
Lord Vader Heck, he was supposed to be the hero of the entire show. Goku died in Season 1 remember, and fans and upper production pressured Toriyama into bringing Goku back.
This is the moment that Gohan should've turned BEAST!!
Love that old Kai, he was always good for a laugh.
"We have such great titles now, Super Vegito, Super Buu, we might aswell rename the whole show Dragon Ball Super" Oh wait.
TL;DR Asspulls and Undeserved powerups have been staples of the series since late Dragon Ball, and it's unfair to give all of it a pass while holding Dragon Ball Super to a much higher standard
The above mentioned are common complaints levied against Dragon Ball Super, and they have been increasingly used since the introduction of Kale and Caulifla, particularly in the last few weeks, since the episodes have been focusing on them and now their fused form, Kefla. I think these criticisms are mostly unwarranted, because they have been big parts of the Dragon Ball series, especially in the sagas people seem to have the most love for (Namek Saga and Android Saga). In this post I'm going to attempt to compile all of the "Asspulls" and "Undeserved Powerups" of the series, that if they were shown today, would be criticized just as harshly as Dragon Ball Super currently is. It will mostly focus on the Z portion of the series because it introduced power levels which quantified the power of the characters, and made use of powerups more than the original Dragon Ball part of the series.
Dragon Ball
The Ultra Divine Water: This is the first real asspull powerup of the series and, unlike the Sacred Water, which was just tap water and the real powerup came from the training, is actually magic water, which allows Goku's power to go from being easily defeated by an old and weakened King Piccolo, to being able to defeat King Piccolo in his prime.
Dragon Ball Z
Gohan's rage boost when Raditz was hurting Goku is an undeserved powerup. There's some loose rationalization of this by saying Gohan is a half saiyan, and has a lot of potential, which I'm fine with, but by the standard people are holding DBS to, just saying someone is angry and/or has a lot of potential isn't enough to justify the massive boost in power. This rage boost allowed Gohan to do a decent amount of damage to Raditz, who was completely outclassing Goku and Piccolo at the same time. Goku, who had trained his whole life, including three years of training with Kami, and Piccolo, who was the warrior class reincarnation of King Piccolo, were unable to do anything to Raditz, while Gohan, a spoiled five year old who had never trained in his life (Chi-Chi wouldn't allow it) was able to damage him.
Krillin, Tien, and Yamcha's training with Kami: Goku (who was already stronger than everyone else), after training with Kami for three years, and then training in the five year time gap between DB and DBZ, had a power level of 416, while Raditz had a power level of 1,500. In one year of training they were all able to surpass Raditz's power. Starting off weaker than Goku and with less training than Goku had, they were able to far surpass Goku's strength before his training on King Kai's planet. If we're judging this by the same standard we judge DBS, this massive increase of power would be labelled an asspull, and this is at the beginning of the series. It gets much worse later on.
Goku's gravity training on the spaceship: Goku went from having a power level of a bit over 8,000 to 90,000, in five days. This is a bit less concrete, because he did use senzu beans to heal and he was training, but the speed at which he obtained this massive increase of power is a bit ridiculous. He clearly got this power because the plot necessitated that he be that strong.
Vegeta's Zenkai boost after fighting Recoome: Vegeta's previous zenkai boosts had been relatively small, going from 18,000 to 24,000 at his arrival on Namek, to 30,000 after being beat by Zarbon. This Zenkai boost allowed him to easily defeat Jeice, and let him be roughly on par with First Form Frieza (I say that because after their little fight, he felt the need to transform, where Vegeta went from confident to afraid). This form of Frieza had a power level of 530,000, which is a power boost significantly higher than any he had gotten before.
Gohan's rage boost against Second Form Frieza: This rage boost is even more ridiculous than the one against Raditz. Gohan's power went from weaker than Recoome (even if he got a Zenkai boost he still would have been weaker than Vegeta) to enough to do some damage to Second Form Frieza, who had a power level over 1 million.
Vegeta's Zenkai boost from Krillin: This powerup is completely undeserved, and allowed Vegeta to be confident against Second Form and presumably Third Form Frieza.
Goku's Zenkai boost after fighting Captain Ginyu: The most ridiculous and last mentioned Zenkai boost of the series. Goku goes from a power level of 90,000 to 3 million. Why the inconsistency in power gained from a Zenkai boost? Plot, and it surely wasn't a deserved powerup, and would most definitely be labelled an asspull.
This one is kind of an aside, because it's part of his character, but Frieza's power. Unlike Goku, Frieza had never trained a day in his life, and he had a power level of 120 million at full power. For all the complaints about Frieza's four months of training and Jiren's crazy power, this is worse than both in my opinion. At least they both trained and presumably earned their power. Frieza in the Namek saga was just born like that.
Vegeta's transformation into a Super Saiyan: Anime filler and dub changes aside, Vegeta became a Super Saiyan because he trained and got mad. This is nothing compared to the rage Goku experienced after seeing his childhood friend murdered in front of him. Considering the way people criticize the U6 Saiyans for getting easy transformations, this is just as bad. Vegeta became a Super Saiyan because the plot demanded it and there was a flimsy explanation thrown in.
The power of Androids 17 and 18: In regards to undeserved power, these two are close to the top. An Earth scientist was able to create Androids that were significantly stronger than the previously strongest being in the universe (Frieza, and before Goku the power gap wasn't even remotely close), and had infinite stamina. People will criticize Android 17's big power boost in Super, but at least he trained. 17 and 18's power in the Android saga were so big because the plot demanded that they be stronger than a Super Saiyan.
Gohan's transformation into a Super Saiyan: I'm not going to criticize the Super Saiyan 2 transformation because an ascended Super Saiyan had been referred to the whole saga and was built up well. This transformation is off screen, but Goku's instructions to Gohan are basically power up and get mad by using your imagination. Once again, another easy transformation after Goku went Super Saiyan first. At this point Super Saiyan means little and will mean even less in the next arc.
Goten and Trunks getting Super Saiyan: Goten gets it while training with Chi Chi, and Trunks gets it offscreen without Vegeta's knowledge. Super Saiyan from this point forward means pretty much nothing and any Saiyan can get it with enough power.
As an aside, I'd like to point out that both Goku and Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan 2 by training and getting more powerful, and considering it was during a time of peace, there was likely no emotional trigger to achieve it. This kind of shows that the key to achieving Super Saiyan 2 isn't just rage like how Gohan achieved it, but training as well. I'm kind of assuming once your power gets to a certain threshold it becomes a lot easier to achieve.
Gotenks achieving Super Saiyan 3: Two kids unable to go Super Saiyan 2 being able to go Super Saiyan 3 while fused just shows how powerful fusion is, but it is an undeserved powerup. With the small time they had in the RoSaT, they were able to achieve what took Goku seven years of training while dead. They clearly achieved this because the plot demanded it, due to the power of Super Buu.
Gohan getting his potential unlocked: I get that Gohan's crazy potential had been hyped up throughout the entire series, but getting his potential unlocked by Guru and achieving Super Saiyan 2 were supposed to be examples of that. After seven years of training Goku and Vegeta had barely surpassed the level Gohan had shown against Cell. This is the definition of an asspull and an undeserved powerup. After being weaker than he was seven years ago due to never training, Gohan was able to surpass Goku and Gotenks at Super Saiyan 3 by a significant margin (he easily beat Super Buu while Gotenks had to put in effort in the fight), and without the massive stamina drain of Super Saiyan 3. And he achieved this not through training, but through a magical ceremony.
Now to my knowledge that should cover everything, although if I missed something tell me in the comments. I made this post not to trash on DBZ, but to show that this sort of stuff has been a staple of the series since late Dragon Ball, and that we should hold the entire franchise to the same standard, instead of holding one part of the series up on a pedestal while trashing another part for doing something that the series had been doing for years. That's not to say that Dragon Ball Super is above criticism, but a significant amount of the criticism that I see is complaining about power scaling, asspulls, and undeserved powerups. I'd also suggest that people who haven't should read the manga, because a lot of the justifications I see for the asspulls and undeserved powerups come from filler and dub changes to the series.
If you've made it this far I thank you for reading my post, and I hope you liked it or it at least provoked some discussion or thought, otherwise I just wasted an hour doing this.
"Try believing some place else."
I love that, everytime I hear him say that I lol
dbs will never top this I miss the good old day 😧
darniel williams the wild wild west....the long ass transformation scenes and badass trash talking cut aways...the symbolic thoughts running through various characters like vegeta and piccolo...I hear ya loud and clear buddy I miss those days too.
It kinda has in some ways.
@@Nick12568 no
Nick12568 no
@@Nick12568 yes
1:00 Amazing! That tree has unlocked its true potential!
😂😂
Who's here because Gohan reawakened his potential in DBS?
Nah her for nostalgia
gohan could never have the glory after cell, which is sad in my opinion
Can thank toriyama for that and for never letting vegeta have a victory like he deserves
vegeta should have defeated Buu with a final flash.
+Noah Clark
Nah... Vegeta should have defeated Golden Freeza, fact. They fucked up so much on that.
Now, if Goku defeats Goku Black I'm done with Akira. Seriously, Goku gets all important kills, it's stupid.
Mr. calamorta he's the main character what you expect.
In Toriyamas defense, the spirit bomb was due to finally work on someone. It never did the job before.
guys we actually can unleashed our potential but its to hard
I wish!
Typhloshinobi thats what every teacher at schools say
I am not sitting in front of that guy for 25 hours
Whatever the mind can conceive, it can achieve
I don't wanna say this cause I'll sound like Jaylen the super virgin... But your wrong.. Nothings ever to hard.
I like how whenever Gohan gets a powerup he becomes just as arrogant and cocky as the other saiyans until he screws up and gets humbled again.
Well they said that’s these guys race personality they get super cocky an tend to stall just to push there limits which cost them a lot of problems later a lot of villains should be dead if they didn’t wanna test out there powers on them for instance gohan vs cell vegeta vs cell goku vs buu goku admitted he could kill buu as a super sayin 3 but enjoyed fighting
The electricity in his hand was crackling.
And heres born, most powerful unfused Dragon Ball Z warrior.
He isn't any stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
RIP Toriyama Sensei🙏🏾
Goku being shocked despite knowing gohans potential makes perfect sense when you consider that gohan at that exact moment was stronger than ssj3
Yea because super buu was stronger than kid buu an ultimate gohan was winning until he got absorbed which made super buu as ultimate gohan stronger than kid buu as well people don’t understand that kid buu wasn’t the strongest form he was just the most direct an most evil which made it look like he was stronger but goku didn’t need a vision for kids buu that’s the point the fusion is what proves the point any time you fuse that means the opponent is way to strong for instance broly they had to fuse
The days where Gohan was actually the strongest
Hell be back as the strongest in he new movie 🎥
@@chrizzy.m1576 and in fact he IS the strongest now according to toriyama.
He brought this same power back in the tournament of power
In DBZ
Mystic Gohan>=SSJ3 Goku.
Goku have Stamina issues in SSJ3 form he can't maintain it for long so Mystic form is best
I can’t believe I wrote a comment here 11 years ago!
Still an awesome video.
They need to make Gohan great again!
i wanna see "Mystic Gohan Super Saiyan God" in DBS!! if only toriyama didn't fuck up his character development..
ahem super saiyan white?
Son Goku he developed his character nicely. He was never meant to be a fighter
Mags9191 yeah he only fought when he absolutely had too. He always wanted to be a scholar, and now that goku & vegeta are so strong he felt he didn't need to train. But after frieza came back and all that he's been training
He's my favorite character regardless, it would be nice to see him comeback
He's my favorite character regardless, it would be nice to see him comeback
Writers: Hey let's make Gohan useful
Also Writers: nahhh forget it
i like how the disturbances in the surroundings differs from the other super transformations.
apart from the initial shockwave, it's more like a constant wave of energy and hence you dont get pieces of land getting rekt in bursts
1:24 sends chills down my spine.
Gohan always did that for me SilverAshes
It's similar to the bit where piccolo fused with kami and powered up when fighting against cell. That was amazing. You can see his body vibrating and the area around him.
What’s the song? After he transforms?
@@808CastroPiccolo fights cell
RIP Akira Toriyama
One of my all time favourite transformations, the VA nailed this and the music is just epic!
"I'm the one who works hard and trains the boy and no one ever helps me out" -old supreme Kai
How is sleeping working hard?
Mystic Gohan's only accomplishment was make Buu stronger
Now THIS is a good song chosen for the transformation. Strong emotion, power, mystical!!