2. Thermodynamics Part 2

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  • MIT 8.333 Statistical Mechanics I: Statistical Mechanics of Particles, Fall 2013
    View the complete course: ocw.mit.edu/8-3...
    Instructor: Mehran Kardar
    This is the second of four lectures on Thermodynamics.
    License: Creative Commons BY-NC-SA
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  • @Roflxopter
    @Roflxopter 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    I feel so lucky that these lectures are free online.

  • @user-to9ub5xv7o
    @user-to9ub5xv7o 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Introduction
    0:00 - Introduction and Creative Commons License
    Review and Thermodynamics Structure
    0:20 - Review of previous lecture and the structure of thermodynamics
    Equilibrium in Thermodynamics
    0:33 - Emphasis on equilibrium in thermodynamic studies
    Mechanical Coordinates
    1:09 - Discussion of mechanical coordinates in thermodynamics
    Gases in Thermodynamics
    2:07 - Focus on gases, especially ideal gases
    Temperature and the Zeroth Law
    3:01 - Inadequacy of mechanical coordinates alone; introduction of temperature
    3:38 - Explanation of the Zeroth Law of Thermodynamics
    Isotherms in Gases
    5:09 - Isotherms in gases, especially dilute gases
    Internal Energy and System Changes
    6:02 - Exploration of system changes and the concept of internal energy
    Joule's Experiment
    8:28 - Joule's experiment and its implications
    Theoretical Constructs in Thermodynamics
    11:28 - Theoretical construction of functions in thermodynamics
    Quasistatic Processes
    13:12 - Quasistatic processes and their importance in accurate calculations
    Second Law of Thermodynamics and Entropy
    15:21 - Introduction of the Second Law of Thermodynamics and entropy
    Historical Context of the Second Law
    17:28 - Historical context and relevance of the Second Law
    Heat to Work Conversion
    20:05 - Heat to work conversion in engines and refrigerators
    Kelvin and Clausius Formulations
    23:05 - Kelvin and Clausius formulations of the Second Law
    Equivalence of Kelvin and Clausius Statements
    27:15 - Logical equivalence of Kelvin and Clausius statements
    Carnot Engine
    33:43 - Carnot Engine and its properties
    Carnot Cycle with Ideal Gas
    39:18 - Description of Carnot cycle using ideal gas
    Adiabatic Paths in Carnot Cycle
    47:19 - Mathematical description of adiabatic paths in the Carnot cycle
    Efficiency of Carnot Engines
    49:00 - Efficiency of Carnot engines between two temperatures
    Proof of Carnot Engines' Efficiency
    53:14 - Proof of Carnot engines' efficiency being the highest
    Thermodynamic Temperature Scale
    57:42 - Introduction of the thermodynamic temperature scale
    Consistency of Temperature Scales
    1:07:59 - Discussion on the consistency of temperature scales
    Recap and Energy Function in Thermodynamics
    1:14:42 - Recap of the lecture and the energy function in thermodynamics
    Introduction to Clausius' Theorem
    1:20:08 - Introduction to Clausius' Theorem and entropy quantification

  • @devd_rx
    @devd_rx ปีที่แล้ว +4

    is the professor a god??, i am utterly in awe at how fluently he delivers his lecture

  • @sreekarg9553
    @sreekarg9553 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Lecture effectively starts at 15:00
    Starts 2nd Law at 15:00

  • @user-rv3eg5br3v
    @user-rv3eg5br3v 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    《粒子的统计力学(共26讲)》
    th-cam.com/play/PLUl4u3cNGP60gl3fdUTKRrt5t_GPx2sRg.html
    第一章 热力学
    00:00 上堂课回顾
    15:03 第二定律
    33:39 卡诺机

  • @joshmyer9
    @joshmyer9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    25:55 To the camera operator: we're here a decade later, still appreciating you and your tracking of these blackboards.

  • @jasonbennett2194
    @jasonbennett2194 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    23:00 to 33:00 is great! Never understood this in other books.

  • @qingyuewu6429
    @qingyuewu6429 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    There's a lemma used here that's left unproven at around the one hour mark. We need to show that chaining two Carnot engines is equivalent in efficiency to a single Carnot engine. It isn't really hard to prove using the optimization lemma and reversing one of the engines connected to T_2, but it's not trivial. Good to leave as an exercise to reader, though, haha.

    • @abcd-uw1ic
      @abcd-uw1ic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Didn't he implicitly justify it when he showed that the efficiency is a function of the two temperatures?

    • @alexanderkohler6439
      @alexanderkohler6439 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't agree with your view that something was left unproven. At around 0:55 he already proved that all Carnot engines operating between the same pair of temperatures have the same efficiency. The two chained Carnot engines that he considers at around 1:00 when seen as a single combined engine obviously fulfill the general definition of a Carnot engine (definition at 0:34): 1. it is reversible, 2. it is cyclic and 3. it operates only between two reservoirs (T1 and T3). (The third reservoir T2 is irrelevant and can be taken out of the picture by putting Q2 coming out of sub engine 1 directly into sub engine 2.) Hence, the efficiency of the combined engine has to be the same as that of any Carnot engine operating between T1 and T3.

  • @srivishnurendla4894
    @srivishnurendla4894 8 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The professor's son is in the class.... that's so damn awesome!

    • @rupeshknn
      @rupeshknn 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @1:06:51 for those who don't understand how

    • @user-fo6ey4jf6j
      @user-fo6ey4jf6j 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rupeshknn why not grandson? lol

    • @rupeshknn
      @rupeshknn 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-fo6ey4jf6j yeah that's possible too XD

    • @hamzaakmal758
      @hamzaakmal758 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Poocha?

  • @Megatyler30
    @Megatyler30 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    #MIT2019 Can't wait to start! I'm so thankful I've been given this chance.

  • @Eta_Carinae__
    @Eta_Carinae__ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wrt. the argument for the CE being the most efficient, is there any logical dependence on it being a CE? Like it seems that you can just substitute any refrigerator in there and you could derive a conclusion that
    u \ge \frac{1}{\omega}. The only thing that the CE seems to contribute is that it allows you to make direct inferences about its capacity as an engine from its capacity as a fridge.

  • @TechnoTribune
    @TechnoTribune ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great lecture from the Iranian professor

  • @javieroybin4541
    @javieroybin4541 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In the postulate of Kelvin´s seconde principle it is necessary to indicate that the
    intermediate fluid perform a cyclic transformation.
    Before explaining the Carnot cycle, Carnot's theorem should be taught

  • @michaelmolter6180
    @michaelmolter6180 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Does the crosses lowercase 'd' have a specific meaning in 'dW' or 'dQ' (other than the usual differential) or is it just the script he uses for 'd'?

    • @yevgeniygorbachev5152
      @yevgeniygorbachev5152 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They indicate a path dependence - to determine a differential in work, a path in P-V space must be specified.

  • @seanmacfoy5326
    @seanmacfoy5326 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I thought the question at 15:20 was really interesting. I wonder if the answer is along the lines of "yes, but to get such a threshold, you would have to be doing nonequilibrium thermodynamics'

    • @seanmacfoy5326
      @seanmacfoy5326 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I mean, it does make sense to ask for a tolerance below which you can guarantee accuracy for a numerical derivative, right? I guess the analogy isn't perfect though.

  • @solsticetwo3476
    @solsticetwo3476 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 54:00... I don't get the definition of efficiency for the CC. It should be output/input

  • @aminchakib3230
    @aminchakib3230 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    awesome course

  • @thanachotnasawad5200
    @thanachotnasawad5200 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you.

  • @BigBen866
    @BigBen866 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m always impressed with lecturers who don’t use notes👌😉 That’s extremely sexy in an intelligent way👍🏾 That’s impressive 👏

  • @yashbhagwat2269
    @yashbhagwat2269 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thank you

  • @seanpaul2562
    @seanpaul2562 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    that board seriously need to chill it is defying laws of physics in a physics class

  • @anugrahmathewprasad172
    @anugrahmathewprasad172 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In the proof at 50:00, How does he prove that the carnot engine is the most efficient engine without using any specific properties about the Carnot engine? Also if we assume an engine E which is more efficient than the carnot engine C, then shouldn't E be able drive the carnot engine and still have some left over work?

    • @akashpremrajan9285
      @akashpremrajan9285 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You dont need any specific properties of Carnot engine. You only need that it should be reversible and returns back to its initial state (i.e. is a cyclic process). This is because every Carnot engine no matter how it is constructed has the same efficiency between two temperatures. He proves that Carnot engine is the most efficient by reversing the engine into a refrigerator at 51:30

  • @maurocruz1824
    @maurocruz1824 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Anybody knows an example of Carnot machine "made" with any different thing than a gas?

    • @farooq8897
      @farooq8897 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Carnot engine is imaginary..

    • @wellesmorgado4797
      @wellesmorgado4797 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      A Carnot engine means an engine working with two external heat sources (a cold one & a hot one) where the cycle is a sequence of adiabatic-isothermal-adiabatic-isothermal processes. It is not possible to construct a Carnot engine that behaves perfectly (that is why I mentioned adiabatic processes instead of isentropic processes) so they will never reach the Carnot efficiency limit. But some cool examples have been built, such as the one in ["Brownian Carnot engine", by Martinez et al, Nature Physics (2016) 67, 12 (1)] where the authors use an optically trapped Brownian particle as the "gas" (a gas of 1 particle).

  • @nathanlackey3918
    @nathanlackey3918 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm sure it's just some calculus/algebraic move but I can't understand the step exactly at 46:58. If anyone can help I'd really appreciate it!

    • @Waffleschmerz
      @Waffleschmerz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's calculus: d(3/2 P V) = 3/2 d(P V) = 3/2 (P dV + V dP) = 3/2 P dV + 3/2 V dP. The first step is constant multiple rule (for differentials), the second step is product rule and the third step is just multiplying out.

    • @nathanlackey3918
      @nathanlackey3918 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Waffleschmerz Thank you! The application of the product rule is what got me.

  • @jasonbennett2194
    @jasonbennett2194 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    at 53:00, can someone explain how Q_h' > Q_h follows from Clausius? Wouldn't Clausius just say Q_h' - Q_h > Q_c' - Q_c ???

    • @anugrahmathewprasad172
      @anugrahmathewprasad172 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Clausius says that the sole result of a process cannot be the transfer of heat from colder body to hotter body. The net process here is the intake of Qh'-Qh heat from the hot reservoir and then depositing Qc'-Qc heat at the cold reservoir. So according to Clausius, the heat must be flowing from hot reservoir to cold reservoir. So both Qh'-Qh and Qc'-Qc should be positive, because if it were negative it would imply that heat is flowing from cold reservoir to hot reservoir(which would violate Clausius). So Qh'-Qh is positive or Qh'>Qh. Also from the net process diagram, It must be that Qh'-Qh=Qc'-Qc so as to satisfy energy conservation.

    • @mrezahabibypour5153
      @mrezahabibypour5153 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      We can show that this relation that you wrote , is proven by applying 2nd law of thermodynamics in Kelvin form for non-carnot and carnot engine separately. for non-carnot engine , according to 2nd law , we should have Q_h' > Q_c' because (efficiency of non-carnot engine) = W/Q_h' = (Q_h' - Q_c' )/Q_c' = 1 - Q_h'/Q_c' ; so in order that (efficiency of non-carnot engine) < 1 , we must have : Q_h' > Q_c' ; because carnot-engine is a reversible engine , we can say that it's efficiency doesn't change by reversing the process. Now because we have a similar way of conclusion for carnot engine as before for non-carnot engine , we can say this time : Q_h > Q_c for carnot engine. By subtracting the side-by-side of this inequality , we have : Q_h' - Q_h > Q_c' - Q_c ; according to clausius form of 2nd law , the Q_h' - Q_h must be positive.

  • @fabiangn8022
    @fabiangn8022 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gracias.

  • @minyminions7064
    @minyminions7064 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much

  • @prernasudera8417
    @prernasudera8417 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really do not understand why all of that is useful to know!

  • @julietonegapatan7728
    @julietonegapatan7728 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    who is this professor?

    • @mitocw
      @mitocw  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mehran Kardar. See the course on MIT OpenCourseWare for more info at: ocw.mit.edu/8-333F13. Best wishes on your studies!

    • @shlokvaibhav
      @shlokvaibhav 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mitocw @mit openCourseWare, your previous interface was much better, now there is no option to download course content as zip

  • @user-ok9hz8ce1j
    @user-ok9hz8ce1j 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I heard lecture 1, and It is awesome that his lecture's logic and connectivity is so great.... after I listened his explanation, I jizzez in my pants... ha.... so good...

  • @pushpenderrathore1447
    @pushpenderrathore1447 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Try Nptel lecture of thermodynamics of SK SOM

  • @aadilshaikh2499
    @aadilshaikh2499 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wanna join MIT !

    • @ObitoSigma
      @ObitoSigma 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That makes two of us! Only two and a half more years! (and hopefully I get accepted!)
      I really want those physics and math doctorate degrees! :D

    • @aadilshaikh2499
      @aadilshaikh2499 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      :) gooood luck

    • @aadilshaikh2499
      @aadilshaikh2499 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      wish me too XD

    • @ObitoSigma
      @ObitoSigma 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good luck. The essays were released two days ago. It's scary to think that we only have three months until our application is due! Where did time fly?!

    • @nagateja7618
      @nagateja7618 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yo. Did ya get in?

  • @subhoghosal7
    @subhoghosal7 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good lecture.

  • @Rebel8MAC
    @Rebel8MAC 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    He never used the phrase "no free lunch" and I'm not mad... I'm just disappointed.

    • @wellesmorgado4797
      @wellesmorgado4797 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Free-lunches do exist. But they are very hard to get. Ask Mr. Jarzynski.

  • @karabomothupi9759
    @karabomothupi9759 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    We wazzzz Kangz

  • @karabomothupi9759
    @karabomothupi9759 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pope Jean Mac

  • @karabomothupi9759
    @karabomothupi9759 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I hate Thermodynamics

    • @jobatphysics
      @jobatphysics ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It means, you don't know about thermodynamics

  • @homeisthesailor
    @homeisthesailor ปีที่แล้ว

    if you cant explain it to a 12

  • @SuryoyeXD
    @SuryoyeXD ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nerds lol

  • @raymondreddington6317
    @raymondreddington6317 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I usually take all of my classes with MIT, this is the first time I am in such a huge disappointment at the lecture. He is so fast and I cannot catch him, and I do not know why is he going over these topics and mathematical procedures without further physical explanation, Please MIT take care of the idea you have international students who need you guys to be a little bit slower.

    • @eric_welch
      @eric_welch 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      you can pause the video, there are lecture notes to supplement this video and you can look at the text by Huang ...this is MIT, one of the most prestigious schools in the world especially with respect to STEM, you can't expect them to slow down when they expect you to already know thermodynamics, especially when this is a graduate level class ...not to mention this is free

    • @wellesmorgado4797
      @wellesmorgado4797 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Learning at MIT is supposed to be like drinking from a fire hose! lol IHTFP

  • @richman61
    @richman61 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    his accent makes it difficult to concentrate , no thanks