Oilers fan here Todd is a good coach he did so much with the growth of Draisaitl. He told Leon he didn’t have to be the number 2 guy on the team and after that conversation Leon became one of the greats on pace to win the heart this year. Todd is a good fit for Detroit.
I don't disagree, however, Todd did lose the room in Edmonton and wasn't able to build on their 2016-17 success. He has proven to be a coach who can't get over the hump in the playoffs. But in terms where Detroit is at as a team that needs to breakthrough in the regular season after a long drought (like the Oilers were), this should be a good hire.
@@TheMikeyb86 Yeah, not a bad coach, but in 17-18 and 18-19 (until he was fired), that team wasn't super good, but the Oilers were woefully underperforming, particularly defensively, they definitely weren't well coached near the end of Todd's tenure.
I agree that coaching isn't this team's only problem but it didn't seem to help. It always felt like the players knew how to win but the system was designed around a well rounded team and also fragile. We shall see how this goes. Exciting either way now that uncle fester is gone.
I think we are due for a video on the wings. If you look at the players the wings did not resign this year compared to last year, I think the results make some sense. Gone: Sprong Walman Gostisbehere Fabbri Perron Maatta (Traded this year) All solid players making up a decent mix of lines.
Sprong, Walman, and Gostisbehere were three of my faves. Sprong is an unsung role player. Shame seeing the wings take a big step back this year. Talbot was the one good pick up
Interesting move. As a Kings fan, I would say that TMac is a respectably good coach who can get a team up to a certain level, but he has never proven that he can flog a team and drive them to the highest level of success. Like how Terry Murray built the foundation for the Kings teams that won in '12 and '14, but it was Sutter who drove them over the finish line. I liked him, and I wished for his sake as much as the Kings' that he had enjoyed greater playoff success with them. But this means that he may be the right coach for Detroit given where they are right now.
Talent drove them over the finish line, it was not Sutter LOL... how'd he work out in CGY? LA won in spite of sutter, not because of him. That team was stacked and just needed time to mature, picks come around etc.
Thanks for the video! McLellan apparently has the sixth most wins of current coaches. He's got 23rd all-time, it seems. When a team has multiple problems, you need to remove some of the variables to fix the team, one at a time.
I think it comes down to what you're able to get out of your players, regardless of whether you lose or not. Most of the losses this year have come as a result of lousy efforts, I'd rather see them go down fighting
LOL... it ain't effort bro, it is the roster itself, it is bad, very, very bad. They just don't have the talent to make it work against other teams on any kind of consistent basis. Lalonde could go coach FLA... they would be? About where they are right now. Maurice could come coach DET, they would be? About where they are right now.
If the team is underachieving at all, TMac will make them better. Sure there are issues with the roster. But this is a coach who gets everybody on board with systems and structure and accountability. That's his bread and butter. He'll get you into the playoffs next year, he might even come close this year. He has few peers in this league when it comes to climbing from bottom 5 to playoff team. Now once you get to the playoffs, then it just depends... if you run into an opposing coach who refuses to properly match lines or make in-game adjustments the way Todd refuses, then it'll be preseason game plan vs preseason game plan. If not, you're cooked.
Saw this coming. We'll see how this works. This team has potential, but there's a few other issues clearly here. I was glad to hear that we made a change at the very least.
how much better?? fringe wildcard team would be being exceedingly polite lol. that would take a lot of budweiser adult beverages to make me admit that. DET has a poverty offence, no gamebreakers, no depth on D and suspect goaltending. yzerman needs to be held accountable for his awful roster construction. 💩
@@carparthero I would say probably the 2nd wild card would be their ceiling, which obviously isn't enough but it's a lot better than what they have going for them now. Yzerman hasn't done enough like you said, but even then I still don't see them as being this bad
The Wing's d-core took a step back losing ghost, Walman, and Mataa. It's clear that Husso or Lyon aren't even the medium term solution in goal (Talbot is decent but he's getting older). That said, we should be getting more out of the team that we have so far. It really seems like Lalonde got into the trap the Blashill did with constantly shuffling lines, having no clear identity, and a d-scheme that obviously leaves the goalies high and dry more often than not. Hopefully McClellan can at least set a scheme in place to at least stop the bleeding.
I genuinely believed the style of hockey Lalonde had hypnotized this team into trying to play was holding them back. Plenty of people are looking at the roster and making it sound like one of the worst in the league. But it's not much different from last year, and last year's Wings only missed the playoffs because they suddenly forgot how to play hockey in March...which seems like the same problem this year. Even you, Shannon, predicted this was a playoff team before the season started. The roster is not that bad, Lalonde just couldn't get the best out of it. In his 2.5 seasons, the Wings never really looked like they had their style of play figured out. There were good stretches, and that's why I think Lalonde could be a good coach elsewhere and I wish him well, but it just didn't work here.
@jaredkomoroski Berggren and Tarasenko should have replaced Sprong and Perron. Comparable or possibly better players. Gustafsson was supposed to replace some of Gostisbehere's production, and Edvinsson in full time makes up for Walman. Fabbri doesn't have a clear comparison, but Kasper wasn't guaranteed to be in the lineup and him being in the NHL is just as good as having a depth player like Fabbri. There's no obvious downgrade from last season.
You know Detroit have been horrible when they lost 2 nights in a row to the Montreal Canadiens. And thats coning from a Habs fan and hometown team. I was shocked when I saw the Habs win both back to back Red Wings games
Detroit fan here - No, this does not get the Wings into the playoffs. But it is a move in the right direction. Lalonde was a poor hire from the get go. Now that he’s gone, it’s up to Yzerman to build a roster that’s actually capable of making the playoffs.
I don't think he's the answer for this season but his experience leaves me hopeful for next season, provided the wings get some more additions and have a decent off-season
He knew it was coming. He knew he was in way over his head. His excuse for the St. Louis debacle? They lost their rhythm. Really? That's all it was, Newsy?
Been sifting through the youtube reaction to this and always think to come here first. As a lifer Wings fan this is certainly a overdue Christmas present. A change NEEDED to be made. Its quite honestly been embarrassing to watch this season.
I agree that there are other issues with this team that will continue to hinder them. That being said, i do believe this was the right move. Newsy's message wasn't getting through and this team desperately needed a shake up.
The only requirement I have for McClellan is that he makes sure the team plays entertaining hockey even if they lose all the remaining games left. The season is already over so all focus should be on not continuing to be booed and that the crowd flows back. Firing the head coach will not solve anything for RW, as the problem is also S.Y's responsibility. If he doesn't do anything major during the TDL, there is a lot to say that his time has come in RW as well. There is another alternative for the owner and that is to focus on S.Y's nepotism and direct his gaze towards his favorites on the staff, Kroner, Lidas and Co. This is simply about the organization's culture of being winners and not losers or that our young people start to think it's okay to lose, as everyone knows our Vet´s already does.
Entertaining hockey requires a roster with talent, it is a talent gap, not a coaching gap that is the problem here. TM cannot 'up the talent' of this team, there will be no 'new system' or 'identity' or 'culture' that comes in and makes magic. This team might finish .030 pts/game better under this coach vs Lalonde... so what does that even do?
This doesn't fully turn things around for Detroit, I don't think we make the playoffs still, but I think the Wings are better than what was being presented. The guys were playing like a squirt team and nothing was changing game to game. Another part is people were starting to get fed up with Yzerman because nothing was changing and he is the person to change something. Personally, I think trading Maatta and Walman over Petry and Chiarot is a boneheaded move but with what we have right now something had to change. At worst, the locker room is going to feel responsible for Lalonde being tossed and will maybe start to try a little harder than what they've been doing. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
I don’t think that this is enough to turn the team’s fortunes around. However, LaLonde seemed to be in over his head and did not have the savvy, or the experience, to work through this drought. Lack of talent in key areas, especially on defense, underperforming highly paid veterans, and burdensome, unmovable contracts still plague this team.
The Wings achilles' heel has been poor puck movement, especially from the blue line, and there's probably no fixing that this year. If Mclellan gets the Wings playing more physical, consistent hockey and implements a more effective PK I think that's probably a step in the right direction. This roster isn't a playoff team, but they shouldn't have been this bad either.
Red Wings fans know the Holland "Debuild" started in 2016. The actual rebuild started when Yzerman took over. Holland left the cabinets bare and stole all the copper on his way out. Detroit has had no luck in the draft lottery, but has done well with what they've been given. I knew they would be worse this season than last, but this season has been a nightmare. It's been obvious for months that Lalonde's system has not been working. He should have been let go after Thanksgiving. It's not all his fault, this roster is a downgrade from last year, especially paying SJ to take Walman. It's too late to salvage this season and make the playoffs, but it's the perfect time to introduce a new system and culture to build on next season.
As a Wings fan, McLellan was my wish to replace Newsy. He has a solid (if not great) track record with multiple teams and he’d still be in LA if he hadn’t run into the Oilers three years in a row. He’ll be able to get more out of our lackluster roster down the stretch and be primed for the better rosters to come
I think it'll help because right now the team looks like they quit. Felt like a dump and change system with everyone playing defense all the time. They still have roster issues, but perhaps a new system and voice will help.
I think Todd is a very solid Head Coach. That Sharks Era was memorable..the 0-3 post season lead they gave up in a Round at hands of LA really seemed too much for him..but I always observed he brought cohesion and structure and identity to teams. A tendency to lose the locker room seemed the liability. That said..I do see him as a coach who could lead a team to The Cup glory. Best wishes, Wings! 💥🥅🏒💫
Lalonde isnt the only problem, but you can't fire the whole team. It was still Lalondes job to coach the team in a positive manner. Many interviews with the team players mention lack of excitement with the team and attitudes. The last two seasons to this one, Detroit progressively got worse and that really dampens a teams spirit. We'll have to wait and see if Mcellan is the coach to turn the attitude of the team around i guess
74 pts under Blashill, then two weak COVID seasons, then 74 pts again. 80 pts then 91 under Lalonde, unsure why Detroit slipped this year. But “progressively getting worse?” 80’s higher than 74 here, so’s 91…how about where you are?
It may not do it but a change was needed. An incredibly frustrating season in Detroit. To be swept over the weekend by Montreal and shutout against St. Louis, that was the final straw. We’re built to score a lot of goals but we don’t actual do that lol
He was in charge of forwards and power play in his first years as an NHL assistant coach. Top ranked powerplay through that time with a Stanley Cup in 2008. One might even say, had he still been with the team in 2009, would he have won a 2nd cup? We'll never know. Those were the 2 years I became a full time NHL fan.
I have this image of Lalonde unwrapping a present 🎁 from yzermam and it turns out to be a box full of the contents of his desk. Merry Christmas Derek. From Steve.
I don't think the Wings are salvageable at this point in the season BUT something had to be done to show the fans the team actually cared and it certainly will shake things up which this team desperately needed, between this and some smart deadline / offseason moves the Wings SHOULD be in the hunt for a playoff spot next season.
Doesn't improve playoff odds this year, but fixes the players mentalities. Lalonde lost the respect of evey player a year ago. This just makes the rest of the year bearable to watch and helps get the guys back on their feet for next year.
I can see Detroit having a bump in their record with a few more wins with having a new coach. However, I really think that they are not done with changes to the team and the roster if they're going to have any chance of making the playoffs this year.
The team had a lot of turnover in the offseason and I think the only positional group the improved was the goaltending. A lot of the replacements (Tarasenko most notably) have been abysmal and some of the older guys (Kane specifically) haven’t been great. I don’t think this is a bad move, but I don’t think the team is righting the ship this season. Lalonde definitely lost the locker room at some point this year, and to be honest, I have not really cared for him during his tenure just based off of his press conferences. I also don’t think the Yzerman rebuild is failing, regardless of what the media thinks. The young players who have been given ice time this year have had flashes of greatness. A few more years and I think the young core can take the team deep into the playoffs.
Not sure it turns things around either, but it was needed. The locker room was lost and has been for some time. This gets a new voice in there and hopefully a slightly more offense minded game plan moving forward. Getting outshot in every single game has been brutal to watch. If we lose 6-5 and had 35+ shots in the game, fine so be it at least the game is exciting, but these 3-1, 4-0 games with 24 shots in the entire game is god awful to watch.
Hopefully McClelland can get them to play 500 the rest of the year but I doubt it. I don’t see them making the playoffs this year, I hope I'm wrong. I thought they started to fizzle out at the end of last year and honestly was hoping they wouldn’t make the playoffs as they would have been annihilated in the first round the way they were playing. I thought their best game this season was against the leafs a few weeks back, seemed like a full team effort. If they play like that they will start winning. I think Kane will come around, he’s still a great stick handler and great as the qback on the power play. At time Larkin tries to carry the team on his back and tries to do too much, if the rest of team did their job he’d be more productive. Seider is a saving grace, can’t count the number of goals he’s prevented. Go Wings!
Detroit has a ton of other issues, but Lalonde was an issue that needed to be dealt with. Not sure how I feel about the McLellan signing yet, but we'll see. Lalonde definitely had to go though.
Hey you can accuse the Redwings for alot of things like not playing to expectation this year....but you can't accuse them for being brutal or heartless because they waited until AFTER Christmas to fire the coach! Now that's what I call Christmas spirit.
Well, if he can fix the zone entry and horrible passing and shots that completely miss the open net, it’ll be great. I’ve already seen the comments from fan saying “well that’s not who I would’ve hired. “ because of course
crazy, i thought myself and imagined this move just very very recently....and it happend. Wasent mclellan the assistant coach for Red Wings when the won the cup in 08 during its powerhouse era? That should take to account aswell for him since he is returning to Red Wings. Hope they find success soon and dont end up in buffalo territory.
No he wasn't the only issue and no they aren't built to win much this year, but after moderate success last year, they regressed. Plus their problems last season (not good team defense, not starting games on time, etc) were not corrected so far this year. And with his contact up after this year, there's nothing he's done that says "contract extension" so get it over with now. In the end, they should be better than they are this year and coaching is the first thing you can change.
Lalonde had to go. Every Red Wing not named Lucas Raymond was under performing his career PPG stats. The only thing keeping them even somewhat competitive has been their goaltending. It was clear Lalonde lost the room. This season is lost - money puck only has them at 1.4% to make the playoffs. I just want to see McLellan get his system in place and develop the young players. Hopefully the Wings get a top 4 pick and will be ready to bounce back next year.
Red Wings fan. I am thrilled that Gru and Boughner are gone. Do I think this is a playoff team? No,. But I am not convinced the players are being used to their maximum.
Lalonde should’ve never been hired in the first place lol, but he isn’t the only problem in Detroit. Mclellan is a pretty good coach, only casuals will tell you he’s not.
It's worth remembering that in 2016, their first post-McLellan season, San Jose went to the finals - without major roster changes. McLellan is a good coach and his teams always perform, but he's an interesting case in that they also don't perform beyond expectations.
McClellan is a good coach, you could go A LOT worse than him easily. Having Bob Boughner as one of your coaches, even just an assistant tells me all needed to know. I didn’t even know he was still a coach
I am sad Lalonde was fired because of the joke that he would never be. I would like to hear an unbiased account from Lalonde on why he would claim it did not work in det.
He was an assistant back in the day, so he's at least familiar with ownership and Steve Yzerman. He's a decent coach, I'm just not sure how far he can take the Wings. That said, I hope at least he brings in a new voice and a new scheme. Lalonde seemed to fall in the same trap that Blashill did with constantly shuffling lines and not getting the players ready for each game. We're still lacking a lot of depth on the blue line and in goaltending. I really wish Cossa got at least one start when he was up, but sadly that didn't happen.
That is good to know - because more than anything else the good young players that Detroit has - have sort of stagnated . Yeah Seider plays a lot of hard minutes , but it is really hard to say that he has progressed in the past few years. Edvinsson is a phenomenal talent - Kasper is going to be excellent - they need good coaching and I really don't see where it was coming from . The thing with Mclelland , Yawney is they will be prepared to play. This has been a tire fire all year for Detroit
@@pjpredhomme7699 it may take till next season to really see the positive effects...but Yawney did WONDERS for Anaheim's D back in the 2015-2018 runs...they weren't the issue we couldn't get to the finals
Wings fan. I think they will play better most likely, but they still won't make the playoffs. I dont know that they would have with a good coach before. And yeah it is Yzermans fault with the roster construction for sure. I'm still kind of lenient with Yzerman just because of the guys he's drafting. I think once all he's young prospects get up here to the wings like danielson, sandine pelikka, mbn, the 2 goalies cossa and Augustine, and maybe even that Russian kid buchelnikov. If he doesn't build a good team around all those kids and we aren't going deep with them, that's probably when I'll turn on him. He could definitely use a better pro scout as well. A lot of the names are probably spelled wrong, my apologies if so.
You might have done it a while ago and if not it would be nice if you could make a coach list, either a top 10 of your favorites or of the objectively best ones based on records and trophies
Yzerman isn’t the problem, Lalonde was the problem. Yzerplan is long term. We’re just starting to see plan really in effect with all the new guys starting to come up
@ryans413 not with the management in Buffalo currently. He would be great with some real talent in all lines and not 2 players and 2 defencemen to rely on winning
Not sure if the wings can turn it around but I do think the change was needed. There seemed to a a complacency from coaching with the team’s performance that this should shake up.
I've been calling for this for a year. Since the Ottawa home game where Larkin got cheap-shotted after the whistle, and Lalonde's comment after that game was to thank the Ottawa player for accepting a fight later on. He deserved to lose the room after that. But even beyond that, his inability to consistently motivate the team along with his O and D zone systems, which made the Wings terribly easy to play against, necessitated a change. Is the roster worse than last year? Yes. Is it now all on Yzerman? Yes. But Lalonde was in over his head as a head coach in the NHL and deserved to be let go.
Bro, seen this roster? TM will be lucky to get maybe 3-4 more total wins vs what Lalonde would have. This will move the needle virtually zero. You can talk 'culture' and 'identity' and 'systems' AFTER you have a roster. We have??? Larkin, Seider, Raymond. Don't give me this trash about ADB, he is the most inconsistent and most overrated wing. Copp, Compher, Rasmussen, Veleno, then the unneeded at least 3 d we have, that should have been weaponized cap space. Petry is on our team. Chiarot, Tarasenko. Do you not see what is happening at all? You got your hopes up last year with us being close, that was just a blip. Did he need to get fired? Sure, but it ain't gonna change a thing. Watch
they'll win maybe 7 more games, wont move the needle much at all. I think theres something fundamentally wrong with the squad, either from being demoralized, or just general lack of talent
@@jasontye3307 McLellan is a coach who’s taken talent-laden teams and turned them into one-and-done’s. But maybe this McLeelan you speak of is truly outstanding.
As an Oilers fan watching him coach SJ, then EDM and then LA, he's a good to excellent regular season coach. Post season coach, he isn't creative enough or courageous enough to try new tactics or lineups when he's losing. He stapled Lucic to McDavid for a full year longer than was necessary to drag the fastest player down with a literal anchor in the misguided attempt to provide toughness on the top line.
I would like to see the defense, smashed them on the board and stop poke, checking and get it out to start the offense, maybe they will be more aggressive on defense.👊🏽
as a Kings fan, I think TM is a great coach. PLD kinda messed that up for LA but it’s worked out pretty good so far 😄 Glad he’s getting a shot in Detroit, hope they can turn things around
I'm by no means a Red Wings fan (and you had to appreciate the run they had in the the early 90s to the 2000s)--but I remember when they hired Steve Yzerman and my reaction was "Detroit's on the way back" now it's like the never ending rebuild.
Barely missing the playoffs while you're in a drought can be really back breaking. Not really shocked they lack passion this season. Look at Buffalo last season and even the NY Jets in 2016 after losing week 17 in 2015
I don't think this is enough to change the tides at all this season. When Ghost and Walman left I think that it damaged stability on the blue line too much. I was confused when you said in pre season that this would probably be their year back in the playoffs because they were an objectively worse looking team after the off-season moves. I don't know if it was misses on Stevie's part or bad luck, or what but it isn't looking good
Is the roster a great one? not even close, however its not nearly as bad as their record. The system Lalonde was trying to play requires a lot of speed, and there isnt a lot of speed on the redwings. Trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Constantly giving up leads over and over because they turtle as soon as they get it. Get a lead>>dump puck over and over giving the puck back to the opposition>>rinse, repeat get scored on. Then on top of a bad system for this constructed roster, throw in the fact that the players have looked like they dont care, and i'll circle this back to i think a big reason they look lifeless and disinterested is because they hate the system Lalonde was trying to force them to play.
A literal boxing day for Lalonde
Donny was a boxer .
Had to look up what Boxing Day is. Are you British?
@@AustinWestbroit’s a canadian thing too
@@AustinWestbro Canadian
It's nice to see Todd go back to where he started his NHL coaching career.
I love that Shannon isn't a hot take guy. Subtlely gives his opinion on things. Agree 90% of the time too
Oilers fan here Todd is a good coach he did so much with the growth of Draisaitl. He told Leon he didn’t have to be the number 2 guy on the team and after that conversation Leon became one of the greats on pace to win the heart this year. Todd is a good fit for Detroit.
Completely agree with this comment.
I don't disagree, however, Todd did lose the room in Edmonton and wasn't able to build on their 2016-17 success. He has proven to be a coach who can't get over the hump in the playoffs. But in terms where Detroit is at as a team that needs to breakthrough in the regular season after a long drought (like the Oilers were), this should be a good hire.
@devackroyd I wasn't bold enough to say he lost the room, but I'm glad you did. Fair point.
Hmmm. Not sure what to think of this… McClellan been around the block and recycled just like most coaches are but has not had much success as of late.
@@TheMikeyb86 Yeah, not a bad coach, but in 17-18 and 18-19 (until he was fired), that team wasn't super good, but the Oilers were woefully underperforming, particularly defensively, they definitely weren't well coached near the end of Todd's tenure.
McClellan was our assistant coach back in late 2000s
Yup, he was an assistant under Babs. All the players from those days are gone, but it's good to see him back.
I agree that coaching isn't this team's only problem but it didn't seem to help. It always felt like the players knew how to win but the system was designed around a well rounded team and also fragile. We shall see how this goes. Exciting either way now that uncle fester is gone.
man i completely forgot about that. When I think about him, its always mostly predominantly sharks
@@crushdavis7048 I know but I just remember us having a insane coaching staff those years. We also had Paul MacLean
@@atomiczam4066I thought he was an assistant under Bowman as well?
Enjoy having the Toddfather, Detroit!
Sincerely, Kings fans everywhere. ;)
Thanks a bunch ya King heads!
Yours truly, us Wing nuts.
as a Ducks fan, you’re welcome. ;)
We already know the Toddfather, he was an assistant coach the last time we won a cup.
He's been here before. He won a Cup here as an assistant coach under Babs.
I don’t remember that.
"If he's not fired by Christmas, he's not getting fired."
-THG, three days ago
Steve was watching😂
Oh he was 100% fired by Christmas. They just didn't want to announce it before
I think we are due for a video on the wings.
If you look at the players the wings did not resign this year compared to last year, I think the results make some sense.
Gone:
Sprong
Walman
Gostisbehere
Fabbri
Perron
Maatta (Traded this year)
All solid players making up a decent mix of lines.
Sprong, Walman, and Gostisbehere were three of my faves. Sprong is an unsung role player. Shame seeing the wings take a big step back this year. Talbot was the one good pick up
Perron, Fabbri and Sprong were way overrated. Each of them is extremely flawed
Maybe Todd will tell the players, "SHOOT THE PUCK!"
Isn’t that was fans are for?
He never did with the Kings
Happy Boxing Day to Lalonde…
We were expecting changes, McLellan wasn’t going to be unemployed for too long but he has his work cut out for him.
i saw this coming during their last game they looked so listless against the Blues had no energy and couldn't wait for the holiday break
Interesting move. As a Kings fan, I would say that TMac is a respectably good coach who can get a team up to a certain level, but he has never proven that he can flog a team and drive them to the highest level of success. Like how Terry Murray built the foundation for the Kings teams that won in '12 and '14, but it was Sutter who drove them over the finish line. I liked him, and I wished for his sake as much as the Kings' that he had enjoyed greater playoff success with them. But this means that he may be the right coach for Detroit given where they are right now.
Talent drove them over the finish line, it was not Sutter LOL... how'd he work out in CGY? LA won in spite of sutter, not because of him. That team was stacked and just needed time to mature, picks come around etc.
Thanks for the video! McLellan apparently has the sixth most wins of current coaches. He's got 23rd all-time, it seems. When a team has multiple problems, you need to remove some of the variables to fix the team, one at a time.
I think it comes down to what you're able to get out of your players, regardless of whether you lose or not. Most of the losses this year have come as a result of lousy efforts, I'd rather see them go down fighting
LOL... it ain't effort bro, it is the roster itself, it is bad, very, very bad. They just don't have the talent to make it work against other teams on any kind of consistent basis. Lalonde could go coach FLA... they would be? About where they are right now. Maurice could come coach DET, they would be? About where they are right now.
If the team is underachieving at all, TMac will make them better. Sure there are issues with the roster. But this is a coach who gets everybody on board with systems and structure and accountability. That's his bread and butter. He'll get you into the playoffs next year, he might even come close this year. He has few peers in this league when it comes to climbing from bottom 5 to playoff team.
Now once you get to the playoffs, then it just depends... if you run into an opposing coach who refuses to properly match lines or make in-game adjustments the way Todd refuses, then it'll be preseason game plan vs preseason game plan. If not, you're cooked.
@@randombutrelevantLalonde was a terrible coach, roster isn't as bad as their record. Their effort level was abysmal under Lalonde
Our Christmas wish came true and you jinxed us in your Christmas wish video! 🤣😜
Saw this coming. We'll see how this works. This team has potential, but there's a few other issues clearly here. I was glad to hear that we made a change at the very least.
Even as a Hawks fan I can say this was long overdue. The Red Wings are better than their record indicates
On paper sure. But so many teams are.
how much better?? fringe wildcard team would be being exceedingly polite lol. that would take a lot of budweiser adult beverages to make me admit that.
DET has a poverty offence, no gamebreakers, no depth on D and suspect goaltending. yzerman needs to be held accountable for his awful roster construction. 💩
@@carparthero I would say probably the 2nd wild card would be their ceiling, which obviously isn't enough but it's a lot better than what they have going for them now. Yzerman hasn't done enough like you said, but even then I still don't see them as being this bad
The Wing's d-core took a step back losing ghost, Walman, and Mataa. It's clear that Husso or Lyon aren't even the medium term solution in goal (Talbot is decent but he's getting older). That said, we should be getting more out of the team that we have so far. It really seems like Lalonde got into the trap the Blashill did with constantly shuffling lines, having no clear identity, and a d-scheme that obviously leaves the goalies high and dry more often than not. Hopefully McClellan can at least set a scheme in place to at least stop the bleeding.
@@stevekendra8983Ghost was a loss, but I don't know about Määttä.
Definitely not the only issue in Detroit. I don't think our young guys were trending in the right direction under Lalonde.
They will trend worse with Mclellan. Relies on vets while prospects get a short leash.
I genuinely believed the style of hockey Lalonde had hypnotized this team into trying to play was holding them back. Plenty of people are looking at the roster and making it sound like one of the worst in the league. But it's not much different from last year, and last year's Wings only missed the playoffs because they suddenly forgot how to play hockey in March...which seems like the same problem this year.
Even you, Shannon, predicted this was a playoff team before the season started. The roster is not that bad, Lalonde just couldn't get the best out of it. In his 2.5 seasons, the Wings never really looked like they had their style of play figured out. There were good stretches, and that's why I think Lalonde could be a good coach elsewhere and I wish him well, but it just didn't work here.
It's a very different team makeup this year.
Sprong
Gostisbehere
Walman
Fabbri
Perron
All gone
@jaredkomoroski Berggren and Tarasenko should have replaced Sprong and Perron. Comparable or possibly better players. Gustafsson was supposed to replace some of Gostisbehere's production, and Edvinsson in full time makes up for Walman. Fabbri doesn't have a clear comparison, but Kasper wasn't guaranteed to be in the lineup and him being in the NHL is just as good as having a depth player like Fabbri.
There's no obvious downgrade from last season.
Finally a coach who actually knows what theyre doing
They’ll still probably suck but i think this will work out going forward
You know Detroit have been horrible when they lost 2 nights in a row to the Montreal Canadiens. And thats coning from a Habs fan and hometown team. I was shocked when I saw the Habs win both back to back Red Wings games
Detroit fan here - No, this does not get the Wings into the playoffs. But it is a move in the right direction. Lalonde was a poor hire from the get go. Now that he’s gone, it’s up to Yzerman to build a roster that’s actually capable of making the playoffs.
I don't think he's the answer for this season but his experience leaves me hopeful for next season, provided the wings get some more additions and have a decent off-season
Fired during the Christmas break too. Happy Festivus Red Wings!
He knew it was coming. He knew he was in way over his head. His excuse for the St. Louis debacle? They lost their rhythm. Really? That's all it was, Newsy?
Been sifting through the youtube reaction to this and always think to come here first. As a lifer Wings fan this is certainly a overdue Christmas present. A change NEEDED to be made. Its quite honestly been embarrassing to watch this season.
I agree that there are other issues with this team that will continue to hinder them. That being said, i do believe this was the right move. Newsy's message wasn't getting through and this team desperately needed a shake up.
The only requirement I have for McClellan is that he makes sure the team plays entertaining hockey even if they lose all the remaining games left. The season is already over so all focus should be on not continuing to be booed and that the crowd flows back.
Firing the head coach will not solve anything for RW, as the problem is also S.Y's responsibility. If he doesn't do anything major during the TDL, there is a lot to say that his time has come in RW as well. There is another alternative for the owner and that is to focus on S.Y's nepotism and direct his gaze towards his favorites on the staff, Kroner, Lidas and Co. This is simply about the organization's culture of being winners and not losers or that our young people start to think it's okay to lose, as everyone knows our Vet´s already does.
Entertaining hockey requires a roster with talent, it is a talent gap, not a coaching gap that is the problem here. TM cannot 'up the talent' of this team, there will be no 'new system' or 'identity' or 'culture' that comes in and makes magic. This team might finish .030 pts/game better under this coach vs Lalonde... so what does that even do?
As a Kings fan, I like him and was sad to see him fired. Happy he’s back in, and I hope he helps the Wings get back on track.
I was sad when he was fired from the oilers didn’t think he was the issue at the time.
This doesn't fully turn things around for Detroit, I don't think we make the playoffs still, but I think the Wings are better than what was being presented. The guys were playing like a squirt team and nothing was changing game to game. Another part is people were starting to get fed up with Yzerman because nothing was changing and he is the person to change something. Personally, I think trading Maatta and Walman over Petry and Chiarot is a boneheaded move but with what we have right now something had to change. At worst, the locker room is going to feel responsible for Lalonde being tossed and will maybe start to try a little harder than what they've been doing. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
I don’t think that this is enough to turn the team’s fortunes around. However, LaLonde seemed to be in over his head and did not have the savvy, or the experience, to work through this drought. Lack of talent in key areas, especially on defense, underperforming highly paid veterans, and burdensome, unmovable contracts still plague this team.
The Wings achilles' heel has been poor puck movement, especially from the blue line, and there's probably no fixing that this year. If Mclellan gets the Wings playing more physical, consistent hockey and implements a more effective PK I think that's probably a step in the right direction. This roster isn't a playoff team, but they shouldn't have been this bad either.
La being so nice and generous to help Detroit out pay off his contract, it’s like a Christmas gift. 😅
Red Wings fans know the Holland "Debuild" started in 2016. The actual rebuild started when Yzerman took over. Holland left the cabinets bare and stole all the copper on his way out. Detroit has had no luck in the draft lottery, but has done well with what they've been given.
I knew they would be worse this season than last, but this season has been a nightmare. It's been obvious for months that Lalonde's system has not been working. He should have been let go after Thanksgiving. It's not all his fault, this roster is a downgrade from last year, especially paying SJ to take Walman.
It's too late to salvage this season and make the playoffs, but it's the perfect time to introduce a new system and culture to build on next season.
Todd is going to destroy the Wings offense with his 1-3-1 system,
As a Wings fan, McLellan was my wish to replace Newsy. He has a solid (if not great) track record with multiple teams and he’d still be in LA if he hadn’t run into the Oilers three years in a row. He’ll be able to get more out of our lackluster roster down the stretch and be primed for the better rosters to come
I think it'll help because right now the team looks like they quit. Felt like a dump and change system with everyone playing defense all the time. They still have roster issues, but perhaps a new system and voice will help.
I think Todd is a very solid Head Coach. That Sharks Era was memorable..the 0-3 post season lead they gave up in a Round at hands of LA really seemed too much for him..but I always observed he brought cohesion and structure and identity to teams.
A tendency to lose the locker room seemed the liability. That said..I do see him as a coach who could lead a team to The Cup glory.
Best wishes, Wings! 💥🥅🏒💫
He coached an Oilers team to round 2 lost in game 7. So he knows how to get success out of guys he’s a good fit for Detroit.
Lalonde isnt the only problem, but you can't fire the whole team. It was still Lalondes job to coach the team in a positive manner. Many interviews with the team players mention lack of excitement with the team and attitudes. The last two seasons to this one, Detroit progressively got worse and that really dampens a teams spirit. We'll have to wait and see if Mcellan is the coach to turn the attitude of the team around i guess
74 pts under Blashill, then two weak COVID seasons, then 74 pts again.
80 pts then 91 under Lalonde, unsure why Detroit slipped this year. But “progressively getting worse?” 80’s higher than 74 here, so’s 91…how about where you are?
@@GizmoBeachtalking about the teams attitude dude, not points
As a wings fan, saw LaLonde getting fired.
It may not do it but a change was needed. An incredibly frustrating season in Detroit. To be swept over the weekend by Montreal and shutout against St. Louis, that was the final straw. We’re built to score a lot of goals but we don’t actual do that lol
He was in charge of forwards and power play in his first years as an NHL assistant coach. Top ranked powerplay through that time with a Stanley Cup in 2008. One might even say, had he still been with the team in 2009, would he have won a 2nd cup? We'll never know. Those were the 2 years I became a full time NHL fan.
I have this image of Lalonde unwrapping a present 🎁 from yzermam and it turns out to be a box full of the contents of his desk. Merry Christmas Derek. From Steve.
I don't think the Wings are salvageable at this point in the season BUT something had to be done to show the fans the team actually cared and it certainly will shake things up which this team desperately needed, between this and some smart deadline / offseason moves the Wings SHOULD be in the hunt for a playoff spot next season.
Doesn't improve playoff odds this year, but fixes the players mentalities. Lalonde lost the respect of evey player a year ago.
This just makes the rest of the year bearable to watch and helps get the guys back on their feet for next year.
The talent is not there, but Stevie had to do something to stop the boos at the LCA. A lot of this mess is on him, not just Lalonde.
Most of this mess is on him. A different coach won't do much to change things here.
I can see Detroit having a bump in their record with a few more wins with having a new coach. However, I really think that they are not done with changes to the team and the roster if they're going to have any chance of making the playoffs this year.
Yzerman has his coach, now he's gotta get on the phone and talk Vancouver into giving us JT Miller or Pettersson.
You’re going to have to offer a lot for peterson so I’d aim for miller. Might still cost 2 firsts.
The team had a lot of turnover in the offseason and I think the only positional group the improved was the goaltending. A lot of the replacements (Tarasenko most notably) have been abysmal and some of the older guys (Kane specifically) haven’t been great.
I don’t think this is a bad move, but I don’t think the team is righting the ship this season. Lalonde definitely lost the locker room at some point this year, and to be honest, I have not really cared for him during his tenure just based off of his press conferences.
I also don’t think the Yzerman rebuild is failing, regardless of what the media thinks. The young players who have been given ice time this year have had flashes of greatness. A few more years and I think the young core can take the team deep into the playoffs.
Not sure it turns things around either, but it was needed. The locker room was lost and has been for some time. This gets a new voice in there and hopefully a slightly more offense minded game plan moving forward. Getting outshot in every single game has been brutal to watch. If we lose 6-5 and had 35+ shots in the game, fine so be it at least the game is exciting, but these 3-1, 4-0 games with 24 shots in the entire game is god awful to watch.
Hopefully McClelland can get them to play 500 the rest of the year but I doubt it. I don’t see them making the playoffs this year, I hope I'm wrong. I thought they started to fizzle out at the end of last year and honestly was hoping they wouldn’t make the playoffs as they would have been annihilated in the first round the way they were playing. I thought their best game this season was against the leafs a few weeks back, seemed like a full team effort. If they play like that they will start winning. I think Kane will come around, he’s still a great stick handler and great as the qback on the power play. At time Larkin tries to carry the team on his back and tries to do too much, if the rest of team did their job he’d be more productive. Seider is a saving grace, can’t count the number of goals he’s prevented. Go Wings!
Detroit has a ton of other issues, but Lalonde was an issue that needed to be dealt with. Not sure how I feel about the McLellan signing yet, but we'll see. Lalonde definitely had to go though.
Hey you can accuse the Redwings for alot of things like not playing to expectation this year....but you can't accuse them for being brutal or heartless because they waited until AFTER Christmas to fire the coach! Now that's what I call Christmas spirit.
Well, if he can fix the zone entry and horrible passing and shots that completely miss the open net, it’ll be great. I’ve already seen the comments from fan saying “well that’s not who I would’ve hired. “ because of course
crazy, i thought myself and imagined this move just very very recently....and it happend. Wasent mclellan the assistant coach for Red Wings when the won the cup in 08 during its powerhouse era? That should take to account aswell for him since he is returning to Red Wings.
Hope they find success soon and dont end up in buffalo territory.
No he wasn't the only issue and no they aren't built to win much this year, but after moderate success last year, they regressed. Plus their problems last season (not good team defense, not starting games on time, etc) were not corrected so far this year. And with his contact up after this year, there's nothing he's done that says "contract extension" so get it over with now. In the end, they should be better than they are this year and coaching is the first thing you can change.
A bad team with a good coach is usually still a bad team! Wings will no doubt follow this pattern!
Lalonde had to go. Every Red Wing not named Lucas Raymond was under performing his career PPG stats. The only thing keeping them even somewhat competitive has been their goaltending. It was clear Lalonde lost the room. This season is lost - money puck only has them at 1.4% to make the playoffs. I just want to see McLellan get his system in place and develop the young players. Hopefully the Wings get a top 4 pick and will be ready to bounce back next year.
Red Wings fan. I am thrilled that Gru and Boughner are gone. Do I think this is a playoff team? No,. But I am not convinced the players are being used to their maximum.
Had to do something with lalond. don't know if it is the right move but I think were in better hands than a week ago
Nice sweater
Love the classic cut and vintage logo
Lalonde should’ve never been hired in the first place lol, but he isn’t the only problem in Detroit.
Mclellan is a pretty good coach, only casuals will tell you he’s not.
It's worth remembering that in 2016, their first post-McLellan season, San Jose went to the finals - without major roster changes. McLellan is a good coach and his teams always perform, but he's an interesting case in that they also don't perform beyond expectations.
Should have been Woodcroft
McClellan is a good coach, you could go A LOT worse than him easily. Having Bob Boughner as one of your coaches, even just an assistant tells me all needed to know. I didn’t even know he was still a coach
Long overdue, Lalonde lost the room weeks ago. The roster is obviously a major problem as well. Don’t let the door hit you Lalonde.
as an Oiler fan, there is always a place in my heart for that 2017 run with Todd McLellan
I am sad Lalonde was fired because of the joke that he would never be. I would like to hear an unbiased account from Lalonde on why he would claim it did not work in det.
Come on Detroit, i want you in the playoffs !
He was an assistant back in the day, so he's at least familiar with ownership and Steve Yzerman. He's a decent coach, I'm just not sure how far he can take the Wings. That said, I hope at least he brings in a new voice and a new scheme. Lalonde seemed to fall in the same trap that Blashill did with constantly shuffling lines and not getting the players ready for each game. We're still lacking a lot of depth on the blue line and in goaltending. I really wish Cossa got at least one start when he was up, but sadly that didn't happen.
Lalonde out and Sandin Pellikka dominating the WJC game today are things to feel good about here in Detroit
Sandin Pellikka four points today including a hat trick.
Ok
@@KevinJL Why TF type "OK?"
Finally! The season's probably over but this team can actually amount to something now.
Trent Yawney is a GREAT assistant coach....really wish we brought him back to Anaheim
That is good to know - because more than anything else the good young players that Detroit has - have sort of stagnated . Yeah Seider plays a lot of hard minutes , but it is really hard to say that he has progressed in the past few years. Edvinsson is a phenomenal talent - Kasper is going to be excellent - they need good coaching and I really don't see where it was coming from . The thing with Mclelland , Yawney is they will be prepared to play. This has been a tire fire all year for Detroit
@@pjpredhomme7699 it may take till next season to really see the positive effects...but Yawney did WONDERS for Anaheim's D back in the 2015-2018 runs...they weren't the issue we couldn't get to the finals
Wings fan. I think they will play better most likely, but they still won't make the playoffs. I dont know that they would have with a good coach before. And yeah it is Yzermans fault with the roster construction for sure. I'm still kind of lenient with Yzerman just because of the guys he's drafting. I think once all he's young prospects get up here to the wings like danielson, sandine pelikka, mbn, the 2 goalies cossa and Augustine, and maybe even that Russian kid buchelnikov. If he doesn't build a good team around all those kids and we aren't going deep with them, that's probably when I'll turn on him. He could definitely use a better pro scout as well. A lot of the names are probably spelled wrong, my apologies if so.
Taking Zadina at six overall was crazy risky even at the time.
You might have done it a while ago and if not it would be nice if you could make a coach list, either a top 10 of your favorites or of the objectively best ones based on records and trophies
The Yzerplan is on ice if they don't turn it around
Giving out many big contracts with no playoffs is generally foolish. Good luck to steve Y.
Yzerman isn’t the problem, Lalonde was the problem. Yzerplan is long term. We’re just starting to see plan really in effect with all the new guys starting to come up
Woodcroft wasn't available?
Maybe Woodcroft didn’t want the job and I think he be a better fit for Buffalo with all those young guys.
@ryans413 not with the management in Buffalo currently.
He would be great with some real talent in all lines and not 2 players and 2 defencemen to rely on winning
Next to go List is Buf Van NYR Seattle why is Seattle not doing it yet. maybe NYI
Not sure if the wings can turn it around but I do think the change was needed. There seemed to a a complacency from coaching with the team’s performance that this should shake up.
My expectations from this move is that the team will STOP playing lifeless hockey, and show up on time.
Happy Boxing up you stuff and go Day!
Good one
Something needed to be done.
I've been calling for this for a year. Since the Ottawa home game where Larkin got cheap-shotted after the whistle, and Lalonde's comment after that game was to thank the Ottawa player for accepting a fight later on. He deserved to lose the room after that. But even beyond that, his inability to consistently motivate the team along with his O and D zone systems, which made the Wings terribly easy to play against, necessitated a change. Is the roster worse than last year? Yes. Is it now all on Yzerman? Yes. But Lalonde was in over his head as a head coach in the NHL and deserved to be let go.
Bro, seen this roster? TM will be lucky to get maybe 3-4 more total wins vs what Lalonde would have. This will move the needle virtually zero. You can talk 'culture' and 'identity' and 'systems' AFTER you have a roster. We have??? Larkin, Seider, Raymond. Don't give me this trash about ADB, he is the most inconsistent and most overrated wing. Copp, Compher, Rasmussen, Veleno, then the unneeded at least 3 d we have, that should have been weaponized cap space. Petry is on our team. Chiarot, Tarasenko. Do you not see what is happening at all? You got your hopes up last year with us being close, that was just a blip. Did he need to get fired? Sure, but it ain't gonna change a thing. Watch
they'll win maybe 7 more games, wont move the needle much at all. I think theres something fundamentally wrong with the squad, either from being demoralized, or just general lack of talent
McCleelan is an outstanding coach, and he's coming back to our team.
He isn’t that good. He was fired multiple times in the last few years
@davidkruse4030 ok dave
@@jasontye3307
McLellan is a coach who’s taken talent-laden teams and turned them into one-and-done’s.
But maybe this McLeelan you speak of is truly outstanding.
I think it was a good move but they’re not there yet. Hope they can get things turned around soon
As an Oilers fan watching him coach SJ, then EDM and then LA, he's a good to excellent regular season coach.
Post season coach, he isn't creative enough or courageous enough to try new tactics or lineups when he's losing.
He stapled Lucic to McDavid for a full year longer than was necessary to drag the fastest player down with a literal anchor in the misguided attempt to provide toughness on the top line.
No I don't think all the Wings trouble is from coaching. But that said, will wait and see if Todd can find a breakthrough in consistent form.
I would like to see the defense, smashed them on the board and stop poke, checking and get it out to start the offense, maybe they will be more aggressive on defense.👊🏽
Terrific news!
as a Kings fan, I think TM is a great coach. PLD kinda messed that up for LA but it’s worked out pretty good so far 😄 Glad he’s getting a shot in Detroit, hope they can turn things around
I'm by no means a Red Wings fan (and you had to appreciate the run they had in the the early 90s to the 2000s)--but I remember when they hired Steve Yzerman and my reaction was "Detroit's on the way back" now it's like the never ending rebuild.
McLellan won a Stanley Cup with Detroit as an assistant coach in 2008,
Does it solve things? Not unless he comes with a better defenseman, a second line center, and more scoring punch.
Barely missing the playoffs while you're in a drought can be really back breaking. Not really shocked they lack passion this season. Look at Buffalo last season and even the NY Jets in 2016 after losing week 17 in 2015
It doesn’t fix the season by any means, but it gives him time to implement his system for the start of next season
This is just one of many moves I hope we see, lgrw
I don't think this is enough to change the tides at all this season. When Ghost and Walman left I think that it damaged stability on the blue line too much. I was confused when you said in pre season that this would probably be their year back in the playoffs because they were an objectively worse looking team after the off-season moves. I don't know if it was misses on Stevie's part or bad luck, or what but it isn't looking good
Oh there are lots of problems there
Our roster construction is hot garbage
@@alecboyyes but yzerplan
If he isn't HC matterial, Tampa still saw significant drop off in defensive cohesion and play when he left
Is the roster a great one? not even close, however its not nearly as bad as their record. The system Lalonde was trying to play requires a lot of speed, and there isnt a lot of speed on the redwings. Trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Constantly giving up leads over and over because they turtle as soon as they get it. Get a lead>>dump puck over and over giving the puck back to the opposition>>rinse, repeat get scored on. Then on top of a bad system for this constructed roster, throw in the fact that the players have looked like they dont care, and i'll circle this back to i think a big reason they look lifeless and disinterested is because they hate the system Lalonde was trying to force them to play.